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There was of course the time that he cheated on Dynasty with Princess Windsor and was willing to drop Dynasty like a sack of potato's and run away with a different woman he'd just met who showed him only the slightest bit of interest.

Then of course the way he put Dynasty down about her intelligence calling her Bimbo and indeed even in their final scene together Dynasty says "You're dead brainy and, well I'm thick." Kevin does nothing to correct her despite the fact Dynasty was getting A stars in English from Grantly Budgen who wouldn't hand them out like candy so clearly she's not stupid in anyway.

Dynasty deserved better! She showed real courage going to the police about Steve-O raping her and going to the police about Barry's human trafficking scheme. She's a real one is Dynasty.

There are 3 examples that come to mind for me

Christine Mulgrew got behind the wheel of a car extremely intoxicated and ended up crashing the car which could have led not only to her own death but that of multiple innocent people. Not only this but the CCTV camera at the crash site was broken meaning the police couldn't ultimately prove Christine's drink driving caused the crash if the CCTV had been working not only would Christine have been permanently barred from teaching but she would have gone to prison for quite a long time.

Lula Tsibi was a few seconds from attacking Lorraine Donnegan with acid had she not been intercepted in the nick of time Lorraine would have been seriously injured and Lula would spend a significant amount of time detained.

Grantly Budgen trying to burn his house down for insurance money to pay for Fleur's care home fees the blaze had already begun had this been discovered by a few minutes later perhaps Steph gets slightly delayed by traffic the fire would not have been able to be put out and Grantly would have been charged with arson and insurance fraud and ended up with a custodial sentence.

What are some other examples you can think of?

The album version for me has always been a top 10 Dylan song but I've always found every live version underwhelming compared with the studio version. I think live it suffers a lot without a 2nd guitarist doing fills like Charlie McCoy did. What has been in your opinion the best live version of this that Dylan has done?

To give an example Imogen Stewart. She received a unconditional offer to study at drama school in London meaning she must have aced whatever audition she had to do. Yet we never actually see any evidence of her acting skills at all. She's never shown in drama class or acting in a school play and just completely out the blue she mentions she wants to study drama and is so good at it she receives an unconditional offer.

Another example is Kacey Barry who is meant to be a really good boxer so good that she was in with a chance of making the Commonwealth games. Yet in the only fight we see her in she loses very easily, which being fair to her it was her first fight and against a much more experienced opponent. Still we never actually see her win a boxing match on screen she goes to a fancy training camp in Miami and is considered for the Commonwealth games and we're just left wondering based on what?

What are some other examples of this type of situation?

Here's an example, for the longest time I thought George Windsor definitely caused his mother's death as a result of smashing her asthma inhaler which then meant she had an asthma attack and without her inhaler that led to her death.

I recently finished a rewatch of the original series and was surprised by what actually transpired perhaps it was the intention of the writers that she did die of an asthma attack but when you actually watch what happened I don't think its clear at all. While George did indeed smash her inhaler there's actually no hard evidence she died of an asthma attack. Here is the episode and a timestamp of the dialogue when George tells Carol his mother has died. This is after the police have come to inform George of his mother's death but there is no dialogue shown between George and the police.

Series 9 Episode 14 56.20

Dialogue reproduced below:

George: "She's Dead"

Carol: "What?"

George "Mother, she's dead, she died"

George: "In the taxi"

George: "They thought she was just asleep"

Carol: "That's awful"

George: " I dont know what I'd do without you Carol"

End Scene

I think the confusion comes from the fact that George is holding the inhaler in this scene but I read that as him feeling guilty about how he treated his mother not that she actually died of an asthma attack.

I could be wrong but if you have an asthma attack so severe that it kills you, it would be pretty noticeable, I'm not aware of people dying quietly from an asthma attack, you wouldn't think someone is peacefully asleep when they're dying of an asthma attack. She isn't shown as struggling to breathe during the confrontation with George or when she gets into the taxi. For her just to drop dead like she was sleeping peacefully its a lot more medically plausible that the stress from the argument caused an existing aneurysm to rupture. Perhaps its pure coincidence it happened when it did and the argument didn't impact on it.

Perhaps its just bad writing but based on what is actually presented on screen in the episode i don't think you can definitively say she died of an asthma attack like the wiki does. Perhaps George believes she died as a result of smashing the inhaler but based on how her death is described he is mistaken on this point.

Please feel free to share other examples of things you were mistaken about after rewatching the show and or tell me why I'm wrong about the above.

One that comes to mind was the time that Lenny Brown was almost raped and or murdered by a deranged man posing as a supply teacher but which was stopped when the man was intercepted by Christine and Simon before he could take Lenny back to his house and Lenny escaped unharmed.

Whar are some other examples that come to mind?

For me it has to be the Scottish Independence Referendum that took place while Scotland era Waterloo Road was airing, its inconceivable there wouldn't be a lot of heated debate in the build up to it about Scotland possibly becoming independent between both staff and students.

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Of course the production company/BBC steered clear of mentioning it as to not court political controversy. Are there any other massive events that happened over the course of the show that both staff and pupils would have been talking about for a prolonged period of time and not just headline of the day/week that you think are bigger?

I'll start Sue Spark... Cuckolds her husband, is mean to both the staff and the pupils, is dangerously incompetent at her job, a person who never takes accountability for her shortcomings and always blames others for them, a generally unpleasant person to breathe the same air as.

Yet she's Botticelli's Venus arriving at the shore, an English rose, a glamorous nymph with an arrow and bow, a woman you want to look at until your eyes go blind. Who are the characters that have you shouting hallelujah before they actually speak or do anything?

I'm expecting this to lean quite heavily towards no but for the ones who answer yes I'm curious as to which character most reminds of yourself and why? I would say there's aspects of various different characters that remind me of myself but there isn't one who I would say is say 80%+ similar to myself.

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In the Scotland series when Bolton returns Grantly is shown to be quite virulently against the armed forces which is surprising as he did seem to be quite traditionally conservative in a lot of ways.

A marriage is a lifelong union between a man and a woman kind of bloke, a man who wouldn't want to holiday anywhere other than God's own country which makes his disdain for the army more surprising, you would think it would be opposite and he would show great respect for both current soldiers and for veterans.

Which makes the disdain he shows towards Bolton all the more surprising. Grantly quite liked Bolton, they even had a legendary dance battle against one other. He comes across as personally attacked by Boltons choice to join the armed forces. So why does he act how you might imagine an extreme version of Kim Campbell would act as opposed to the Grantly we've known throughout the series?

Well he gives a list of his former students to Bolton that he says were killed or wounded as part of the armed forces. However unless he were a training officer at Sandhurst the length of the list he gives is completely implausible given historically speaking since WW2 not many British soldiers have died at all if you include the wars/counter terrorism operations from when Grantly would have been a teenager/ young adult roughly when the Troubles started in 1969, through the Falklands, Gulf Wars 1 & 2 and Afghanistan. The death total is not much more than a thousand soldiers killed in action.

Given we know Grantly has been at Waterloo Road for over 25 years which is a specific school in a specific geographical location it has to have been true that he made up at least some of it up just to try and talk Bolton down. Rochdale on its own has not taken that kind of punishment since WW2 in terms of its sons and daughters being killed or wounded let alone just Waterloo Road alumni.

Given the strength of feeling that he shows though throughout the episode though do we believe he entirely made it up or just exaggerated it to get his message across? Perhaps one of his pupils did sadly die or get wounded in war and it soured him on the armed forces or its one part of a more liberal Grantly that never really went away.

What do we think?

I'm thinking of Jack McAllister in this example. In the real world if a fellow pupil had slept with your mum you would have never heard the end of it, for all the time you were at school. It would have been the ultimate schoolyard humiliation. Yet in Waterloo Road its forgotten about after one episode.

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What are some other examples of this in the show?

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I've been wanting to make a game inspired by Waterloo Road for a long time now and it seems obvious no professional game studio will ever make one so why not me?

Well until now while I can code a bit I just simply didnt/don't have the time to code an entire game myself. However recent advances in AI powered coding are making this seem like a more feasible project now that while it would take awhile it isn't unmanageable.

With that said I don't want to make a game just for myself that's no fun. The question is whether I could share it with other people? For obvious reasons I would share it free of charge and add a disclaimer its an unofficial fan made game and not include the BBC logo in the game and the character you would play as would have to be 18 etc.

Not that I'm a legal expert or anything but I guess it would still be copyright infringement if I were to use any of the production companies intellectual property such as the likeness of the actors. Do I need to contact the production company to ask permission? Or would it be treated more like fan fiction? Where I cant imagine the authors of various fan fictions contact the author of the original story to get permission to write a fictional story based on a published work.

The game would be an RPG based on the Rochdale era of the school where you're a new transplant to the school escaping a chaotic past. How the character looks, their gender etc is all player determined. You pick a certain number of attributes like how intelligent, good looking or charismatic your character is etc, you can't be 10/10 on everything so you have to decide what to focus on and it will impact upon the gameplay.

You would interact with staff and students from the original show as well as some of my own creations and you try to survive the year without getting expelled and accomplishing some set goals such as becoming headboy or girl or something more nefarious like getting a teacher sacked or another pupil expelled there could be lots of different possibilities for how the game would go.

With all that said

1. Do you think I need to ask permission of the production company to make it?

2. Would you be interested in playing such a game? I promise it will be better than Chalk and Cheese 😉

3. What would you like to see the game focus on I'm open to ideas?

For me this current arrangement beats out the album version, the piano, additional flute really add a lot for me. For me this along with Rene and Georgette Magritte were the highlights of the current tour.

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He always seemed so nice and mature for his age and was always thinking of others for example in winning the lottery his generous donation to a school in the Congo. Do you agree or think someone else better holds that title?

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