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Endless studying! Writing a test on the seal over and over again, several times a month. Is that really what God, according to the Bible, expects of a believer?

It is well known that members of Shincheonji sit the ‘Sealing’ tests several times a month. Questions and answers are sent to the believers a few days in advance, so that they must learn them all by heart 100 per cent. They must write the test word for word and achieve a score of at least 90–100 per cent.

The tests are not voluntary.
Everyone must write the tests.
The results are then reported in tables to the General Church in Korea.

How can one spend years learning the answers and writing tests without questioning whether it is biblical? Whether it makes sense? Why one is doing it at all?

Well, there is a verse that Shincheonji uses to try to justify this:

Jeremiah 31:33:

33 ‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel after that time,’ declares the Lord. ‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Hebrews 8:10:

10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 

Well, here God says quite clearly that He will do it. Why do people waste years, week after week, repeatedly spending time memorising the answers so that the results can be reported?

The question is:
Do you have to memorise it, or does it happen through God’s inspiration?
Do you really think that if you recite what Lee Man Hee tells you to, you’ll be in God’s good eyes?

Just take a look at what it goes on to say here in Hebrews:

Hebrews 8,11-12:

11 No longer will they teach their neighbours, or say to one another, “Know the Lord,” because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’

It is up to God to put it into their minds and write it on their hearts.

But surely not with test after test after test…

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Just a shirt thought.
When the members take these tests, does God know the results or doesn’t He? Why, then, do they need to be reported?

Think about it – what purpose do these tests serve? Perhaps just to keep you occupied and keep you tied to the system?

There is another verse in 2 Timothy 3:7:

7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Is that true?

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u/Free-2024 — 3 days ago

The Tree of Life and Shincheonji – what does the Bible say?

In Shincheonji (SCJ) teaching, the ‘Tree of Life’ (from Genesis and Revelation 22) is not a real tree, but a parable representing God, His organisation and the promised Shepherd (Lee Man-hee) in the present end times.

Well, to learn about the Tree of Life, we need to look back to the beginning of the Bible, in Genesis.

Genesis 2:9:
The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground – trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

We then read that Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Then God did not want them to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever!

Genesis 3:22:
The LORD God said, ‘Just like one of us, the man can now tell the difference between good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out and pick fruit from the tree of life and eat it. If he does, he will live for ever.’

Now the following questions:
What happens if someone eats from the Tree of Life? —> In Genesis 3:22 we read that they (Adam and Eve) would live for ever if they ate from it.

Did Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden? Do we read about it in the Bible? No.

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Now, Shincheonji claims to be the Tree of Life. And according to their teachings, their shepherd (Lee Man Hee) is also the Tree of Life.

So the question is:
If someone eats from the Tree of Life, will they live for ever or not?

What about those who have heard Lee Man Hee’s words (according to Shincheonji, Lee Man Hee’s words are the fruit of the Tree of Life) and yet have left Shincheonji?

According to the Bible: whoever eats from the Tree of Life will have eternal life.

What about all the branch leaders who were replaced and have left Shincheonji? Surely they heard Lee Man Hee’s words. Will they now live for ever or not?

Dear Shincheonji members.

The whole doctrine is a fairy tale. Isn’t it?

The whole doctrine surrounding the Tree of Life and Lee Man Hee doesn’t add up.

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u/Free-2024 — 18 days ago

Dear members of Shincheonji: LMH is in Prison. Do you know which verse from the Book of Revelation is currently being fulfilled.

I’m surprised that no one in Shincheonji can say which verse is currently being fulfilled by LMH.
They criticize all pastors for not being able to explain the Book of Revelation and claim to be the only ones who know God’s plan because their leader has seen and heard everything.

They can even explain half an hour of silence in heaven. (Revelation 8:1)

Explanation from SCJ: LMH sat with some people in a restaurant and they didn’t say a word for half an hour…

The three and a half days during which the two witnesses lay dead in the street (Revelation 11:9)

Explanation by SCJ: Lee Man Hee has been in custody for 3.5 days and cannot preach his testimony during this time.

Now, this time, he is in prison for a significantly longer period. Did he not see and hear that?
Or did God forget to write it down?

Or is it all simply proof that LMH is a false prophet of the last days and has seen and heard nothing?

Once again:
Shincheonji says they are the only ones who can explain the Book of Revelation. They also claim to have mastered the Book of Revelation.

Then they go on to say that nobody can explain the Book of Revelation.

But dear members of SCJ, please do take this opportunity to explain the Book of Revelation by simply showing us the verse in the Bible that is currently being fulfilled by LMH’s imprisonment.

Thank you very much!

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u/Free-2024 — 25 days ago

The arrest and judgment of LMH. The teaching about “The heavenly court and the earthly court“. The comparison with Jesus.

Just like last time, some years ago:

When the verdict on LMH was finally handed down, the Church leaders taught that there are two courts: the Heavenly Court and the Earthly Court.

It was explained that, although LMH had been found guilty by the Earthly Court, this did not count before the Heavenly Court or before God. It was taught that, before the Heavenly Court, LMH is innocent.

They compared Lee Man Hee’s verdict with that of Jesus.
And they say that just as Jesus was innocent back then, so too is LMH in the present day.

It really is quite shocking how they compare this man to Jesus.

Well, why are they making these comparisons?

Will the leaders make the same comparisons this time? Or will the leaders tell a new comparison, a new story?

Dear members, how much longer can someone watch this show or take part in it?

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u/Free-2024 — 27 days ago

The matter of the two witnesses in Revelation 11. Is Lee Man Hee a witness to himself? Does the Overcomer bear witness to himself that he has overcome? Where is the second witness?

I don’t think that’s a trivial matter.

If someone calls themselves a witness, they must bear witness to something that has happened.
We know that LMH is regarded as a witness in Shincheonji and can apparently bear witness to everything concerning the First Tabernacle.

Now the question is: are there any other people apart from him who can bear witness that he has overcome?

How can someone bear witness about themselves?
He testifies about himself that he is the Overcomer.
But that defies all logic.

If, according to Shincheonji, the second witness has fallen away, wouldn’t God have written something like that in Revelation too? That’s no small matter, is it? (Just a thought)

If both witnesses lay dead on the street for 3.5 days, were they both in prison as well, as Shincheonji explains?

Were both witnesses in heaven, as it is written, or just one?

Having read Chapter 11, Shincheonji’s entire interpretation is cobbled together in such a way that, after a brief examination, one has to conclude that someone has simply made it all up. Just like so many other chapters.

Is LMH in this case a witness or is he lying here?

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u/Free-2024 — 1 month ago

A few questions from “Special Test to check the seal“. (Special test from LMH in September 2023 (SCG 40))

These are some questions from a special test that LMH had given to Shincheonji believers in September 2023.

These questions must be answered word for word exactly as they are to achieve 100 %. The questions are usually given to the believers a few days in advance.

I would like to list three questions here to illustrate the content.

Especially the first question is very questionable - According to LMH, these are the conditions for people to go to heaven!

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  1. If you are a believer who wishes to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, there are five things
    that must be fulfilled in you. What are they?

① You must be born of the seed of God.

② You must be harvested.

③ You must be sealed.

④ You must be registered with the 12 tribes of Shincheonji.

⑤ You must gain a deep understanding of the Book of Revelation.

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  1. ① At the First Coming and ② at the Second Coming, who in each instance was given the
    unsealed, revealed Word to eat, and to whom was it proclaimed in each respective era?
    Write this down together with the supporting Bible passages.

① at the First Coming: Jesus, to rebellious Israel, Ezek 3, Matt 15:24

② at the Second Coming: the New John;
to the churches that are under sin; Rev 10, Rev 22:8, Rev 22:16

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  1. When it comes to the Book of Revelation, today one must ① learn from whom
    and ② what is the reason for this? List ③ three Bible passages that support this.

① from the Shepherd of the New Testament’s promise
(the New John, the Overcomer)

② Because he has seen
and heard all the events of the fulfilment of the Book of Revelation.

③ Rev 10, Rev 22:8, Rev 22:16

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u/Free-2024 — 1 month ago

Thoughts on Revelation 14:3: The new song that “no one“ could learn except the 144,000. What is the new song, according to Shincheonji? What about those who learnt it and have left Shincheonji?

Shincheonji’s definition —> New Song:

New Song = the reality that the New Testament has been fulfilled. (The Revealed Word of the New Testament)

According to Shincheonji, the New Song is what Lee Man Hee teaches as his testimony. Members must learn this by heart and write countless tests to retain what Lee Man Hee has said.

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Now, the Bible states that “no one can learn“ this New Song except the 144,000.

Yet we know that in Shincheonji, EVERYONE must learn this song. EVERYONE takes these tests.
However, many of those who learnt this song have left Shincheonji!!!

My question is this: if the Bible says that only the 144,000 can learn the New Song, how can it be that some who have left were able to learn the song, even though they no longer belong to Shincheonji and, according to Shincheonji’s definition, now belong to Satan?

The Bible says that, apart from the 144,000, NO ONE could learn it.

But why do people in Shincheonji learn the New Song, even though they don’t even know who the 144,000 are?

So, if you simply look at the Bible:

  1. If everyone can learn it, even those who have left Shincheonji, then it is NOT the New Song.

  2. If the 144,000 are unknown, and yet the song is already being learnt, then Shincheonji is more likely a lie than the truth.

  3. If, according to Shincheonji, Revelation 14 has already been fulfilled, why don’t you know who the 144,000 are? Perhaps because that, too, is a lie?

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u/Free-2024 — 2 months ago

The Year of Judgement upon Babylon was proclaimed some time ago – so what now? LMH has been taken captive. How does this fit into Shincheonji’s interpretation of the fulfilment of the Book of Revelation? Where is this written?

Some time ago, the Year of Judgement upon Babylon was proclaimed in Shincheonji.

We had learnt at the Zion Bible Academy:

- that the judgement will take place with physical fire.
- that God will personally judge the churches that do not belong to Shincheonji.

During that year, the tribeleader repeatedly gathered everyone together and taught that everyone should run even faster and harder.
He asked whether we believed that Babylon would be judged that year or not. He said we should work as the Overcomer (LMH) works.

When the judgement on Babylon did not come to pass, it was said: it was just a slogan.

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It had been said for some time:
we are now at Revelation 18:4: ‘Call my people out of Babylon.’ —> This means that people should give even more to Shincheonji and reap even more.

It was said:
Then at next will happen:
- The wedding: the marriage of spirit and flesh
- The first resurrection
- God comes upon Shincheonji with the spiritual world.
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Now, a few questions for Shincheonji:

- Why isn’t the plan working, even though LMH has seen and heard ‘everything’?

- Why didn’t he tell you that he would be arrested again?

- Why does LMH have to fight so hard with his lawyers, even though Satan has been bound for many years?

- Why does he have to defend himself at all if he has done nothing wrong and had nothing to do with politics – as he and Shincheonji had taught?

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u/Free-2024 — 2 months ago

5 W-Questions + 1 H-Question in Shincheonji. E

In Shincheonji, everything must be answered using the 5 Ws + 1 H - Questions.
What, where, when, where, who + how?

Everything and every verse of Revelation.

I ask myself, could Lee Man Hee give the truth answers if anyone else ask him about his testimony and his teachings?

For years, we have seen the founder of Shincheonji give a lecture and then leave the hall, shielded by his tribe-leaders, without ordinary people or pastors being able to ask a single question.
Nor does any dialogue take place between Lee Man Hee and anyone else.
It is always a monologue. In his speeches, he does say that if people have questions, they should ask them, but it never comes to that.

Now, I would simply like to ask a few W-questions here. Even though I know that this man would not answer them, because it is not in his interest at all.

  1. How did Jesus appear to you, in what form?

  2. Why were facts altered, even though you saw and heard everything?

  3. Why do you tell the whole world that you did not lead a life of faith before Shincheonji, even though you were a member of the Olive Tree Movement for over 10 years?

  4. Why do you say it is a church, even though the Bible speaks of seven churches?

  5. Why do you say that all seven churches have fallen away, even though we cannot read in the Bible that two of them have fallen away?

  6. How you saw it and Did you see a bit, all of it, or nothing at all?

  7. Why does Shincheonji destroy so many families and how you will fix everyone of them?

  8. Why do you claim to be an advocate when you are not even capable of defending yourself, but instead spend millions on lawyers to defend you? How many lawyers did Jesus have when he first came?

  9. Why does Shincheonji lie in its harvesting work? Why does Shincheonji say that HWPL is not part of it, even though it is?

  10. Why don’t you address the critical questions raised by pastors, but instead simply deliver a monologue to your audience every time?

There are many more questions that could be asked.

Dear reader,
What would you like to ask Lee Man Hee?

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u/Free-2024 — 3 months ago

Evangelism as a competition within Shincheonji. Everyone is competing against one another. Competing for the Kingdom of Heaven?

In Shincheonji, there are frequent special events where the tribes compete against one another to see who can recruit the most new members. Various approaches are devised, and new prospects are usually lured into Shincheonji through deceptive means such as music events, cooking sessions, art exhibitions and peace activities. Attempts are also made to recruit new members via HWPL and other organisations.

Everything is constantly compared and reported internally: who has recruited how many, how many have joined the Centre, and so on.

Those in last place are reprimanded.
Those in first place are praised.

This happens from top to bottom.

The tribes compete against one another.
The churches within the tribes compete against one another.
The groups within the churches compete against one another.

Now they’ve launched a competition called the “Call Nation Cup”.
They’re all competing against each other again for first place.

Why?

This competition puts pressure on the members. They are constantly being compared to others, told why they are not as good as the others. This is psychological pressure.

One special unit after another.
It is always said that it could be the last one.
Let us now bear new fruit with all our strength. It has been said for years: this is the last of the last days.

Dear members,
Do you not realise that you are currently caught in a spiral? It is a repetition every time. It is a new competition every time. Why this competition?
Must you swear an oath before God as to how much fruit you will bear?

Please ask yourself:

Is it God’s plan to work against one another within the organisation through deception, pressure and competition?

Jesus said: ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest!’

Is this God’s plan, or is it the dream of a man named Lee Man Hee?
A man who forbids all members from belonging to organisations that operate like a pyramid scheme – yet has himself built a huge pyramid scheme from which he and the organisation’s leaders profit greatly?

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u/Free-2024 — 3 months ago