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Rev. 1.1-3:

1 The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who testifies to everything he saw – that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near. 

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SCJ really take any verse and twist it until it fits their own doctrine. But that doesn’t mean for a moment that it’s the truth!

I wonder why SCJ interprets “every“ verse of this Revelation as a prophecy referring to their Promised Shepherd and their church.
Nowhere in the whole Bible do you find this kind of interpretation. Not even in the Old Testament.

Even in the prophetic books, there is a historical section which, for example, describes a specific event Or it serves as an introduction to a book. There is no need to force this event to fit the fulfilment of a prophecy.

Verses 1–3 of Revelation 1 contain not a single word referring to Shincheonji or to a Promised Shepherd.

This concerns the revelation of Jesus Christ, which an angel showed to John (the Apostle John) in a vision of future events, so that the servants might be informed when these things took place; John then wrote them down.
Why must these verses be dissected and interpreted in such a way that they fit exactly into some doctrine?

Is this not adding to the Revelation?

Shincheonji teaches that the New Age began on 14 March 1984. This is said to be the day on which the founder, Lee Man Hee, established the church.
The Millennium Kingdom. Shincheonji now dates the year as SCG43 within this Millennium Kingdom.

Well, there are two possibilities.

1. A member can simply accept this at face value and believe what is taught,

or 2. one can check it against the Bible and see what it actually says and what is supposed to happen during these 1,000 years.

This will certainly not be a comprehensive analysis, but I would like to give you food for thought so that you might explore the subject using the Bible, rather than simply following a church blindly, which may not be what it claims to be.

Here is an overview of some facts we can glean from the Book of Revelation:

We are looking mainly at Rev 20.

1. An angel seized the Devil, that ancient serpent, who is Satan, and bound him with a great chain for 1,000 years, and cast him into the Abyss, and shut it and sealed it, so that he might not deceive the nations. (Rev. 20:1–3)

2. The souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshipped the Beast or its image, and had not received the mark on their foreheads or on their hands, came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
   (Rev. 22:4)

In bullet points:
- It lasts 1,000 years
- Satan is bound for 1,000 years
- Satan cannot deceive the nations for 1,000 years.

- Christ reigns for 1,000 years
- with the martyrs
- with those who have not received the mark and the image of the beast.

Now, if the 1,000 years began as early as 1984, the following happens:

- Satan is bound for 1,000 years
- Satan cannot deceive the nations for 1,000 years.

- From 1984 on, Christ will reign for 1,000 years
- with the martyrs
- with those who have not accepted the mark and the image of the beast.

Does this fit with Shincheonji’s teaching?
If Shincheonji is based on the Bible, then it must also be fulfilled according to the Bible. Right?

Well, Shincheonji teaches that Satan has already been bound for 1,000 years, but at the same time they say:

- Korea is the country where Satan is most active, because the Promised Pastor is there.
- The Shincheonji Church experiences the greatest persecution worldwide
- The person whom Satan is currently attacking and persecuting the most is the leader of there church.
- Next in line are the believers who belong to Shincheonji
- Satan works through family members who want to prevent one from carrying out God’s work.

My question now is, does this tally with the Bible?
If the 1,000 years have already begun, how can he still be active to such a great extent as Shincheonji describes – even though he has been bound for 1,000 years since 1984???

Regarding reigning with Jesus:
Shincheonji teaches that the 144,000 will reign with Jesus. These 144,000 must be created through sealings.
To find out who these 144,000 are, Shincheonji sets tests almost every week. The answers must be learnt off by heart 100 per cent. + They must bear fruit (recruit new members) + meet further criteria set by the church.

Now, according to the Bible, Christ’s reign lasts for 1,000 years. This raises the question: if the 1,000 years began as early as 1984, shouldn’t the 144,000 already be there, since they have been reigning with Jesus since 1984?
And shouldn’t the martyrs also be there by then, reigning with Jesus as well?

Do you know who the 144.000 are?

If one compares these two points, one can see that they do not tally, and therefore the fulfilment does not apply to Shincheonji.

Although Shincheonji claims to be the fulfilment of Revelation, not a single point here corresponds with the Bible.

Neither the part about Satan being bound, nor the part about believers and martyrs reigning with Christ.

If we take a look at the Bible, particularly the New Testament, we cannot find anything similar.
If he claims that the Book of Revelation has already been fulfilled, or that Revelation 18 is currently being fulfilled, where do we find the verse stating that the overcomer will be freed by paying a bail of millions?

If we look at how prisoners were released in the Acts of the Apostles:

Acts 5:18–19:
18 They arrested the apostles and put them in the public jail. 19 But during the night an angel of the Lord opened the doors of the jail and brought them out.

Acts 12:5-11:
5 So Peter was kept in prison, but the church was earnestly praying to God for him. 6 The night before Herod was to bring him to trial, Peter was sleeping between two soldiers, bound with two chains, and sentries stood guard at the entrance. 7 Suddenly an angel of the Lord appeared and a light shone in the cell. He struck Peter on the side and woke him up. ‘Quick, get up!’ he said, and the chains fell off Peter’s wrists. 8 Then the angel said to him, ‘Put on your clothes and sandals.’ And Peter did so. ‘Wrap your cloak round you and follow me,’ the angel told him. 9 Peter followed him out of the prison, but he had no idea that what the angel was doing was really happening; he thought he was seeing a vision. 10 They passed the first and second guards and came to the iron gate leading to the city. It opened for them by itself, and they went through it. When they had walked the length of one street, suddenly the angel left him. 11 Then Peter came to himself and said, ‘Now I know without a doubt that the Lord has sent his angel and rescued me from Herod’s clutches and from everything the Jewish people were hoping would happen.’

Acts 16:23-30:
23 After they had been severely flogged, they were thrown into prison, and the jailer was commanded to guard them carefully. 24 When he received these orders, he put them in the inner cell and fastened their feet in the stocks. 25 About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26 Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everyone’s chains came loose. 27 The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. 28 But Paul shouted, ‘Don’t harm yourself! We are all here!’ 29 The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30 He then brought them out and asked, ‘Sirs, what must I do to be saved?’ 31 They replied, ‘Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved – you and your household.’

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I cannot find any mention of the apostles or members of their church paying a deposit.

However, it is quite clear from the text that God was with the apostles and freed them in a supernatural way.

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But if I look back, when I was a member, I felt just like the lady running in the opposite direction. At some point, you get exhausted and tired, but then you’re told to speed up even more and work even harder, and if the result wasn’t right, people were told off and shouted at.

Spot the mistake.

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Edit:

Dear members, do you feel the same way?
Just one more step, just one more test, just one more fruit, just one more meeting, just one more special force, just one more year…
A never-ending cycle…

But everything should have been fulfilled 3.5 years after LMH had founded Shincheonji. (It should been fulfilled in 1987 – and now it’s 2026!)

It is well known that members of Shincheonji sit the ‘Sealing’ tests several times a month. Questions and answers are sent to the believers a few days in advance, so that they must learn them all by heart 100 per cent. They must write the test word for word and achieve a score of at least 90–100 per cent.

The tests are not voluntary.
Everyone must write the tests.
The results are then reported in tables to the General Church in Korea.

How can one spend years learning the answers and writing tests without questioning whether it is biblical? Whether it makes sense? Why one is doing it at all?

Well, there is a verse that Shincheonji uses to try to justify this:

Jeremiah 31:33:

33 ‘This is the covenant that I will make with the people of Israel after that time,’ declares the Lord. ‘I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.

Hebrews 8:10:

10 This is the covenant I will establish with the people of Israel after that time, declares the Lord. I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 

Well, here God says quite clearly that He will do it. Why do people waste years, week after week, repeatedly spending time memorising the answers so that the results can be reported?

The question is:
Do you have to memorise it, or does it happen through God’s inspiration?
Do you really think that if you recite what Lee Man Hee tells you to, you’ll be in God’s good eyes?

Just take a look at what it goes on to say here in Hebrews:

Hebrews 8,11-12:

11 No longer will they teach their neighbours, or say to one another, “Know the Lord,” because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest. 12 For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.’

It is up to God to put it into their minds and write it on their hearts.

But surely not with test after test after test…

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Just a shirt thought.
When the members take these tests, does God know the results or doesn’t He? Why, then, do they need to be reported?

Think about it – what purpose do these tests serve? Perhaps just to keep you occupied and keep you tied to the system?

There is another verse in 2 Timothy 3:7:

7 always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

Is that true?

In Shincheonji (SCJ) teaching, the ‘Tree of Life’ (from Genesis and Revelation 22) is not a real tree, but a parable representing God, His organisation and the promised Shepherd (Lee Man-hee) in the present end times.

Well, to learn about the Tree of Life, we need to look back to the beginning of the Bible, in Genesis.

Genesis 2:9:
The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground – trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

We then read that Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Then God did not want them to eat from the Tree of Life and live forever!

Genesis 3:22:
The LORD God said, ‘Just like one of us, the man can now tell the difference between good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out and pick fruit from the tree of life and eat it. If he does, he will live for ever.’

Now the following questions:
What happens if someone eats from the Tree of Life? —> In Genesis 3:22 we read that they (Adam and Eve) would live for ever if they ate from it.

Did Adam and Eve eat from the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden? Do we read about it in the Bible? No.

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Now, Shincheonji claims to be the Tree of Life. And according to their teachings, their shepherd (Lee Man Hee) is also the Tree of Life.

So the question is:
If someone eats from the Tree of Life, will they live for ever or not?

What about those who have heard Lee Man Hee’s words (according to Shincheonji, Lee Man Hee’s words are the fruit of the Tree of Life) and yet have left Shincheonji?

According to the Bible: whoever eats from the Tree of Life will have eternal life.

What about all the branch leaders who were replaced and have left Shincheonji? Surely they heard Lee Man Hee’s words. Will they now live for ever or not?

Dear Shincheonji members.

The whole doctrine is a fairy tale. Isn’t it?

The whole doctrine surrounding the Tree of Life and Lee Man Hee doesn’t add up.

I’m surprised that no one in Shincheonji can say which verse is currently being fulfilled by LMH.
They criticize all pastors for not being able to explain the Book of Revelation and claim to be the only ones who know God’s plan because their leader has seen and heard everything.

They can even explain half an hour of silence in heaven. (Revelation 8:1)

Explanation from SCJ: LMH sat with some people in a restaurant and they didn’t say a word for half an hour…

The three and a half days during which the two witnesses lay dead in the street (Revelation 11:9)

Explanation by SCJ: Lee Man Hee has been in custody for 3.5 days and cannot preach his testimony during this time.

Now, this time, he is in prison for a significantly longer period. Did he not see and hear that?
Or did God forget to write it down?

Or is it all simply proof that LMH is a false prophet of the last days and has seen and heard nothing?

Once again:
Shincheonji says they are the only ones who can explain the Book of Revelation. They also claim to have mastered the Book of Revelation.

Then they go on to say that nobody can explain the Book of Revelation.

But dear members of SCJ, please do take this opportunity to explain the Book of Revelation by simply showing us the verse in the Bible that is currently being fulfilled by LMH’s imprisonment.

Thank you very much!

Just like last time, some years ago:

When the verdict on LMH was finally handed down, the Church leaders taught that there are two courts: the Heavenly Court and the Earthly Court.

It was explained that, although LMH had been found guilty by the Earthly Court, this did not count before the Heavenly Court or before God. It was taught that, before the Heavenly Court, LMH is innocent.

They compared Lee Man Hee’s verdict with that of Jesus.
And they say that just as Jesus was innocent back then, so too is LMH in the present day.

It really is quite shocking how they compare this man to Jesus.

Well, why are they making these comparisons?

Will the leaders make the same comparisons this time? Or will the leaders tell a new comparison, a new story?

Dear members, how much longer can someone watch this show or take part in it?

I don’t think that’s a trivial matter.

If someone calls themselves a witness, they must bear witness to something that has happened.
We know that LMH is regarded as a witness in Shincheonji and can apparently bear witness to everything concerning the First Tabernacle.

Now the question is: are there any other people apart from him who can bear witness that he has overcome?

How can someone bear witness about themselves?
He testifies about himself that he is the Overcomer.
But that defies all logic.

If, according to Shincheonji, the second witness has fallen away, wouldn’t God have written something like that in Revelation too? That’s no small matter, is it? (Just a thought)

If both witnesses lay dead on the street for 3.5 days, were they both in prison as well, as Shincheonji explains?

Were both witnesses in heaven, as it is written, or just one?

Having read Chapter 11, Shincheonji’s entire interpretation is cobbled together in such a way that, after a brief examination, one has to conclude that someone has simply made it all up. Just like so many other chapters.

Is LMH in this case a witness or is he lying here?

These are some questions from a special test that LMH had given to Shincheonji believers in September 2023.

These questions must be answered word for word exactly as they are to achieve 100 %. The questions are usually given to the believers a few days in advance.

I would like to list three questions here to illustrate the content.

Especially the first question is very questionable - According to LMH, these are the conditions for people to go to heaven!

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5. If you are a believer who wishes to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, there are five things
   that must be fulfilled in you. What are they?

① You must be born of the seed of God.

② You must be harvested.

③ You must be sealed.

④ You must be registered with the 12 tribes of Shincheonji.

⑤ You must gain a deep understanding of the Book of Revelation.

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9. ① At the First Coming and ② at the Second Coming, who in each instance was given the
   unsealed, revealed Word to eat, and to whom was it proclaimed in each respective era?
   Write this down together with the supporting Bible passages.

① at the First Coming: Jesus, to rebellious Israel, Ezek 3, Matt 15:24

② at the Second Coming: the New John;
to the churches that are under sin; Rev 10, Rev 22:8, Rev 22:16

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10. When it comes to the Book of Revelation, today one must ① learn from whom
    and ② what is the reason for this? List ③ three Bible passages that support this.

① from the Shepherd of the New Testament’s promise
(the New John, the Overcomer)

② Because he has seen
and heard all the events of the fulfilment of the Book of Revelation.

③ Rev 10, Rev 22:8, Rev 22:16

Shincheonji’s definition —> New Song:

New Song = the reality that the New Testament has been fulfilled. (The Revealed Word of the New Testament)

According to Shincheonji, the New Song is what Lee Man Hee teaches as his testimony. Members must learn this by heart and write countless tests to retain what Lee Man Hee has said.

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Now, the Bible states that “no one can learn“ this New Song except the 144,000.

Yet we know that in Shincheonji, EVERYONE must learn this song. EVERYONE takes these tests.
However, many of those who learnt this song have left Shincheonji!!!

My question is this: if the Bible says that only the 144,000 can learn the New Song, how can it be that some who have left were able to learn the song, even though they no longer belong to Shincheonji and, according to Shincheonji’s definition, now belong to Satan?

The Bible says that, apart from the 144,000, NO ONE could learn it.

But why do people in Shincheonji learn the New Song, even though they don’t even know who the 144,000 are?

So, if you simply look at the Bible:

1. If everyone can learn it, even those who have left Shincheonji, then it is NOT the New Song.

2. If the 144,000 are unknown, and yet the song is already being learnt, then Shincheonji is more likely a lie than the truth.

3. If, according to Shincheonji, Revelation 14 has already been fulfilled, why don’t you know who the 144,000 are? Perhaps because that, too, is a lie?

Some time ago, the Year of Judgement upon Babylon was proclaimed in Shincheonji.

We had learnt at the Zion Bible Academy:

- that the judgement will take place with physical fire.
- that God will personally judge the churches that do not belong to Shincheonji.

During that year, the tribeleader repeatedly gathered everyone together and taught that everyone should run even faster and harder.
He asked whether we believed that Babylon would be judged that year or not. He said we should work as the Overcomer (LMH) works.

When the judgement on Babylon did not come to pass, it was said: it was just a slogan.

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It had been said for some time:
we are now at Revelation 18:4: ‘Call my people out of Babylon.’ —> This means that people should give even more to Shincheonji and reap even more.

It was said:
Then at next will happen:
- The wedding: the marriage of spirit and flesh
- The first resurrection
- God comes upon Shincheonji with the spiritual world.
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Now, a few questions for Shincheonji:

- Why isn’t the plan working, even though LMH has seen and heard ‘everything’?

- Why didn’t he tell you that he would be arrested again?

- Why does LMH have to fight so hard with his lawyers, even though Satan has been bound for many years?

- Why does he have to defend himself at all if he has done nothing wrong and had nothing to do with politics – as he and Shincheonji had taught?

In Shincheonji, everything must be answered using the 5 Ws + 1 H - Questions.
What, where, when, where, who + how?

Everything and every verse of Revelation.

I ask myself, could Lee Man Hee give the truth answers if anyone else ask him about his testimony and his teachings?

For years, we have seen the founder of Shincheonji give a lecture and then leave the hall, shielded by his tribe-leaders, without ordinary people or pastors being able to ask a single question.
Nor does any dialogue take place between Lee Man Hee and anyone else.
It is always a monologue. In his speeches, he does say that if people have questions, they should ask them, but it never comes to that.

Now, I would simply like to ask a few W-questions here. Even though I know that this man would not answer them, because it is not in his interest at all.

1. How did Jesus appear to you, in what form?

2. Why were facts altered, even though you saw and heard everything?

3. Why do you tell the whole world that you did not lead a life of faith before Shincheonji, even though you were a member of the Olive Tree Movement for over 10 years?

4. Why do you say it is a church, even though the Bible speaks of seven churches?

5. Why do you say that all seven churches have fallen away, even though we cannot read in the Bible that two of them have fallen away?

6. How you saw it and Did you see a bit, all of it, or nothing at all?

7. Why does Shincheonji destroy so many families and how you will fix everyone of them?

8. Why do you claim to be an advocate when you are not even capable of defending yourself, but instead spend millions on lawyers to defend you? How many lawyers did Jesus have when he first came?

9. Why does Shincheonji lie in its harvesting work? Why does Shincheonji say that HWPL is not part of it, even though it is?

10. Why don’t you address the critical questions raised by pastors, but instead simply deliver a monologue to your audience every time?

There are many more questions that could be asked.

Dear reader,
What would you like to ask Lee Man Hee?

In Shincheonji, there are frequent special events where the tribes compete against one another to see who can recruit the most new members. Various approaches are devised, and new prospects are usually lured into Shincheonji through deceptive means such as music events, cooking sessions, art exhibitions and peace activities. Attempts are also made to recruit new members via HWPL and other organisations.

Everything is constantly compared and reported internally: who has recruited how many, how many have joined the Centre, and so on.

Those in last place are reprimanded.
Those in first place are praised.

This happens from top to bottom.

The tribes compete against one another.
The churches within the tribes compete against one another.
The groups within the churches compete against one another.

Now they’ve launched a competition called the “Call Nation Cup”.
They’re all competing against each other again for first place.

Why?

This competition puts pressure on the members. They are constantly being compared to others, told why they are not as good as the others. This is psychological pressure.

One special unit after another.
It is always said that it could be the last one.
Let us now bear new fruit with all our strength. It has been said for years: this is the last of the last days.

Dear members,
Do you not realise that you are currently caught in a spiral? It is a repetition every time. It is a new competition every time. Why this competition?
Must you swear an oath before God as to how much fruit you will bear?

Please ask yourself:

Is it God’s plan to work against one another within the organisation through deception, pressure and competition?

Jesus said: ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest!’

Is this God’s plan, or is it the dream of a man named Lee Man Hee?
A man who forbids all members from belonging to organisations that operate like a pyramid scheme – yet has himself built a huge pyramid scheme from which he and the organisation’s leaders profit greatly?