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Thoughts on Revelation 14:3: The new song that “no one“ could learn except the 144,000. What is the new song, according to Shincheonji? What about those who learnt it and have left Shincheonji?

Shincheonji’s definition —> New Song:

New Song = the reality that the New Testament has been fulfilled. (The Revealed Word of the New Testament)

According to Shincheonji, the New Song is what Lee Man Hee teaches as his testimony. Members must learn this by heart and write countless tests to retain what Lee Man Hee has said.

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Now, the Bible states that “no one can learn“ this New Song except the 144,000.

Yet we know that in Shincheonji, EVERYONE must learn this song. EVERYONE takes these tests.
However, many of those who learnt this song have left Shincheonji!!!

My question is this: if the Bible says that only the 144,000 can learn the New Song, how can it be that some who have left were able to learn the song, even though they no longer belong to Shincheonji and, according to Shincheonji’s definition, now belong to Satan?

The Bible says that, apart from the 144,000, NO ONE could learn it.

But why do people in Shincheonji learn the New Song, even though they don’t even know who the 144,000 are?

So, if you simply look at the Bible:

  1. If everyone can learn it, even those who have left Shincheonji, then it is NOT the New Song.

  2. If the 144,000 are unknown, and yet the song is already being learnt, then Shincheonji is more likely a lie than the truth.

  3. If, according to Shincheonji, Revelation 14 has already been fulfilled, why don’t you know who the 144,000 are? Perhaps because that, too, is a lie?

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u/Free-2024 — 1 day ago

The Year of Judgement upon Babylon was proclaimed some time ago – so what now? LMH has been taken captive. How does this fit into Shincheonji’s interpretation of the fulfilment of the Book of Revelation? Where is this written?

Some time ago, the Year of Judgement upon Babylon was proclaimed in Shincheonji.

We had learnt at the Zion Bible Academy:

- that the judgement will take place with physical fire.
- that God will personally judge the churches that do not belong to Shincheonji.

During that year, the tribeleader repeatedly gathered everyone together and taught that everyone should run even faster and harder.
He asked whether we believed that Babylon would be judged that year or not. He said we should work as the Overcomer (LMH) works.

When the judgement on Babylon did not come to pass, it was said: it was just a slogan.

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It had been said for some time:
we are now at Revelation 18:4: ‘Call my people out of Babylon.’ —> This means that people should give even more to Shincheonji and reap even more.

It was said:
Then at next will happen:
- The wedding: the marriage of spirit and flesh
- The first resurrection
- God comes upon Shincheonji with the spiritual world.
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Now, a few questions for Shincheonji:

- Why isn’t the plan working, even though LMH has seen and heard ‘everything’?

- Why didn’t he tell you that he would be arrested again?

- Why does LMH have to fight so hard with his lawyers, even though Satan has been bound for many years?

- Why does he have to defend himself at all if he has done nothing wrong and had nothing to do with politics – as he and Shincheonji had taught?

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u/Free-2024 — 2 days ago

5 W-Questions + 1 H-Question in Shincheonji. E

In Shincheonji, everything must be answered using the 5 Ws + 1 H - Questions.
What, where, when, where, who + how?

Everything and every verse of Revelation.

I ask myself, could Lee Man Hee give the truth answers if anyone else ask him about his testimony and his teachings?

For years, we have seen the founder of Shincheonji give a lecture and then leave the hall, shielded by his tribe-leaders, without ordinary people or pastors being able to ask a single question.
Nor does any dialogue take place between Lee Man Hee and anyone else.
It is always a monologue. In his speeches, he does say that if people have questions, they should ask them, but it never comes to that.

Now, I would simply like to ask a few W-questions here. Even though I know that this man would not answer them, because it is not in his interest at all.

  1. How did Jesus appear to you, in what form?

  2. Why were facts altered, even though you saw and heard everything?

  3. Why do you tell the whole world that you did not lead a life of faith before Shincheonji, even though you were a member of the Olive Tree Movement for over 10 years?

  4. Why do you say it is a church, even though the Bible speaks of seven churches?

  5. Why do you say that all seven churches have fallen away, even though we cannot read in the Bible that two of them have fallen away?

  6. How you saw it and Did you see a bit, all of it, or nothing at all?

  7. Why does Shincheonji destroy so many families and how you will fix everyone of them?

  8. Why do you claim to be an advocate when you are not even capable of defending yourself, but instead spend millions on lawyers to defend you? How many lawyers did Jesus have when he first came?

  9. Why does Shincheonji lie in its harvesting work? Why does Shincheonji say that HWPL is not part of it, even though it is?

  10. Why don’t you address the critical questions raised by pastors, but instead simply deliver a monologue to your audience every time?

There are many more questions that could be asked.

Dear reader,
What would you like to ask Lee Man Hee?

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u/Free-2024 — 1 month ago

Evangelism as a competition within Shincheonji. Everyone is competing against one another. Competing for the Kingdom of Heaven?

In Shincheonji, there are frequent special events where the tribes compete against one another to see who can recruit the most new members. Various approaches are devised, and new prospects are usually lured into Shincheonji through deceptive means such as music events, cooking sessions, art exhibitions and peace activities. Attempts are also made to recruit new members via HWPL and other organisations.

Everything is constantly compared and reported internally: who has recruited how many, how many have joined the Centre, and so on.

Those in last place are reprimanded.
Those in first place are praised.

This happens from top to bottom.

The tribes compete against one another.
The churches within the tribes compete against one another.
The groups within the churches compete against one another.

Now they’ve launched a competition called the “Call Nation Cup”.
They’re all competing against each other again for first place.

Why?

This competition puts pressure on the members. They are constantly being compared to others, told why they are not as good as the others. This is psychological pressure.

One special unit after another.
It is always said that it could be the last one.
Let us now bear new fruit with all our strength. It has been said for years: this is the last of the last days.

Dear members,
Do you not realise that you are currently caught in a spiral? It is a repetition every time. It is a new competition every time. Why this competition?
Must you swear an oath before God as to how much fruit you will bear?

Please ask yourself:

Is it God’s plan to work against one another within the organisation through deception, pressure and competition?

Jesus said: ‘Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest!’

Is this God’s plan, or is it the dream of a man named Lee Man Hee?
A man who forbids all members from belonging to organisations that operate like a pyramid scheme – yet has himself built a huge pyramid scheme from which he and the organisation’s leaders profit greatly?

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u/Free-2024 — 2 months ago