u/Frosty-Bar1032

I know everyone on the sub wants to get a rookie support to replace Lospa but I think its the one position where we should be keeping someone with experience who can guide and communicate decisively through difficult periods of the game. A rookie sup works if the rest of the team is mostly experienced and can call for the play to be made but heading into next year, where we are hopefully turning over a fresh leaf, I think we should try and secure a consistent, mage+engage experienced sup player. Now I dont have someone in particular in mind but this is the direction I would hope to see fnatic take.

I also think it would be good to invest in a couple more positional coaches similar to odoamne. They dont need to be permanently with the team, can be a part time kinda role to save costs, but having someone to guide the new jg/sup/vladi would be very beneficial. It has been a long standing trend in eastern teams to have past players as mentors/coaches and LEC is heading towards that too. Hope we can borrow some of that too.

What a downward progression of this club. Hope it serves to be a good wake up call for everyone involved. Losing worlds spot to oscarinin is crazy irony 😂 but deserved I guess.

I know everyone wants razork gone and it is long time overdue, but I want to see the Grabbz + Gaax thank you post before everything else. They have to be some of the most disgusting and fraudulent coaches I have ever seen. Last year I was delusional to buy the hype that he is not being given any resources and being left to dry by the org, but so many others have done more with lesser. Only shows how good nightshare was for us. Gaax too. Paycheck stealers.

Lospa needs to go to. He is too mediocre to be contesting for the top. Soboro was probably the highlight of this split and I definitely think we should try and keep him. He is going to get better after settling in. I was also the biggest vladi hater, but I think he has massively stepped up his gameplay. I think his laning took quite a good turn after our 3 initial losses. No better mid prospects either. Upset is tricky. For majority of the year he was our only hope to wins but this last split he has been pretty abysmal. Cant tell if its him individually being gapped or lospa dragging him down. I also think there is a chance he just leaves cause he has had enough.

Even if we just keep soboro and vladi, there arent a lot of crazy options for fnatic to go for in the other positions. Spend that fat bag on dylan falco and what he needs. We need to run that back with a REAL coach and let him handle things his way. No more dardo bs.

Either way 5 months of no fnatic LOL is depressing. Really cant forgive the org for this level of performance

Most people would look at drafts yesterday and think they were good and playable which is true as all champs were in the meta but I do not think they matched fnatic's play style and identity.

I think everyone on this subreddit agrees fnatic is not a consistent team. As fans, nobody has an idea whih fnatic is going to turn up on game day. If this is something the coaches can see with their eyes too, why are they hell bent on picking snowball comps? Our average game time in the LEC this year has been 34 minutes. Basic analysis and inference from this data would tell you that the champs we pick need to be strong at minute 34 and beyond. But why do our drafts never reflect that?

Upset/Grabbz/Gaax 's obsession with Ezreal needs to be studied. This pick alone has cost us so many losses. Sure it is strong and safe during lane and mid gane but falls off so hard after the 30 minute mark. He stops dealing any damage to tanks/bruisers after that and in current meta, most of his poke is healed or shielded by enchanter supports. Skillshot reliant champion whose dps is too low to carry late game. Again I am not implying ezreal is a bad champ but it is not a champ that has won fnatic a lot of late games.

Same with lucian. I genuinely believe its the most fraudulent adc to exist competitively. They might do well with this champ in scrims after getting fed but that is not a realistic game condition. Stage games are slower with people practicing more caution and risk where the chances of obtaining a significant lead are a lot lower. Why does fnatic keep putting themself in tight, high risk low reward spots. Gets 1 popped in team fights after putting up minimal damage.

I have seen upset demolish and 1v9 team fights on hyper carries. He has carried us in quite a few games single handedly because the champ allowed him to do that. I cannot tell if he is dense or the coaches are too dense to figure that out. Yunara, sivir, jinx, tristana, zeri etc are all champions with which he win with. It removes the pressure from his shoulders to win lane/ create a gap early and allows fnatic to play slower and methodically.

Lospa on enchanters is just down right abysmal. I did not know how bad he was at enchanters till I looked at his historical champs played and their win rate. I also suggest you all to look at his wr on engage supports. It is 2 different players. The difference is ridiculous. I know the meta is currently on enchanters, but no sane human would make him play enchanters in such a high stakes game.

While soboro has a good start to the season. He cannot be getting the counterpick to get gapped hard like yesterday.

Again, I am not saying fnatic should not be able to play these comps. They very much should be able and execute it well. But they cannot help themselves to overextend and int and have shown multiple times that they can give up a 10k gold lead.

Despite knowing all this, we still do not pick scaling champs that guarantee us a safety to win no matter how down we are. What we have praised fnatic for in the last couple weeks is how they find an early lead and cultivate it through the game systematically. Snowballing comps dont allow that and force you to take bad engages ( razork speciality). Just pick with scaling with lanes that can go even.

While I fully believe Razork has been garbage for majority of the year but I do believe he has genuinely picked up his form in the last couple of weeks. I know I will get downvoted for saying this but I genuinely do think he played decent overall.

Game 1 I think his early game pathing and engages were very strong. He went into the fights at the right time and disengaged well as well. They key fight that lost us the game, when he ults orianna, in my opinion is completely lospas fault. Lospa is flash ulting with seraphine alone with no one to follow up. If he waits a few seconds longer I think we win that game. Game 1 draft just got mega outscaled the later the game went on. Late game nocturne is also just paper for the enemy comp.

Razork has been really good at getting the team leads in the early game. His level 3 ganks have yielded results on multiple occasions. This game after the level 3 gank, the lane should have been over. But upset, that greedy little pig, decides to recall in bush, gets stopped, yunara gets xp lead and wave. Soboro also losing lane by a lot in isolation. As a jungler, I think he did his best to get his lanes ahead. Losing lane as lucian milio early makes the game impossible.

While I think pantheon Q + smite should be an easy convert, I hate how fnatic sets barons up. Because at the end of the day, once wukong is in the pit, it is a split second 50/50.

Then I agree he proceeds to absolutely run it down with his classic ints and terrible positioning but to me that is desperation of finding a way back because he is the primary engage. With every passing second they are already losing, and idk to me razork when he realises he HAS to do something its usually something stupid. I also do not know why fnatic opted for a draft with razork as a primary engage, when we have been having a lot more success with him being the secondary follow up.

I think to me personally the draft and bot lane were a much bigger issue than razork this game. How can you draft lucian milo 1-2 and proceed to lose lane after getting yunara flash at minute 2? We have clearly slowed down our game over the last week and are being methodical and taking things slow once we get a gold lead.....then why the fk are we drafting comps that get outscaled? Please get upset off ezreal and lucian and lospa off enchanters. Our team fighting has had flashes of brilliance when razork isnt the main engage.

This is a 100% cope on my end but I really wish for Fnatic to keep a 6th man sub to switch in for Vladi. I really really hated the signing in the first place, giving up a consistent Poby for Vladi (I remember someone commenting 2nd best EU mid prospect after Caps) who has had 1 good split in his career. Not sure what fnatic or the fans saw in him to become a franchise player for fnatic. To make matters worse, he nicely used his influence to waste 2 splits with empyros.

I think it is frustrating to see absolutely no growth on his end over the entire year. Everyone was hyped and praised him when he went even only because that was better than our toplaner who was down 2k gold. He has easily been the worst midlaner in the league for 2 splits running (i think even lider had a couple games where he stood out/contributed to the win).

I know razork has not been good two years running and in my opinion should be replaced at the end of the year (should have replaced him over humanoid last year), but clubbing his performance and Vladi performance in the same group is a disgrace to razork. How much ever he ints and however terrible his plays are, I can still see his idea and intent to get fnatic ahead and get the win. Vladi is completely unprofessional in that regard. You see your team trying their best to win but you single handedly are doing everything in your power to berate their efforts to win by playing a professional game like its soloq. From the games I have seen from Vladi, he just has no impact on the map. He is not roaming to get other laners ahead, he is not winning his own lane and he is not someone who stands out in team fights. Nobody expects him to carry in any situation. I think playing the number of soloq games he does has desensitized him to how an actual professional team functions. Even against MKOI, I cannot tell if he was tilted or just completely blank in his decision making.

I remember a couple of sequences from game 3 vs MKOI which made no sense at all. 1) 3rd drake fight....ashe arrows and instead of protecting upset with ult, he paths to the pit and dies to xin zhao 1v1. Team fighting champ isolating himself on purpose to have a pointless death. 2) sequence between 3rd and 4th drake in botside river. Terrible TP to begin with in banana bush and gets 1 tapped as soon as he lands. I did not catch this watching it live, but he had a couple seconds where he could have ulted seraphine who was in the jarvan ult. He could not use his brain to let out annie R before he died........the amount of healing the seraphine was able to put it out after surviving was ridiculous and she was the only reason mkoi were able to chase and kill more. No antiheal either vs that comp.

Coming back to my point, while Fnatic not making worlds might be a good reminder to the management, I want fnatic to be at worlds. I want to see my team compete at the highest stage and not have to wait 6 months to see them play again. I really believed in Grabbz with how transparent he had been with the fan base but I think him and Gaax are some of the most ineffective staff I have ever seen. But they still have time to correct their wrongs. I think soboro offers upset the consistency he needs.....to think if we had a mid that could go even or not lose as hard and team fight, we would have thrashed MKOI. i dont mind giving vladi another game but wasting a whole split believing in vladi for him to just go down 2k every game is a waste of time. Bring that sub in, who will bring their energy and desire to prove themselves with the opportunity in hand and try their best for upset and soboro to carry. Saw a clip from Vetheo saying Vladi wont be in LEC next year and he is right, vladis fall off was worse than irrelevant.