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Looking at the Kelsey Mitchell/Indiana Fever Free Agency Situation with an NBA Historical Lens

I have a pretty strong opinion that the Fever should do what it takes to keep Kelsey Mitchell. I don't deny that there are players who are more defensive-minded with more of an all-around game that might be a better fit and actually might improve the team.

However, I don't see any of those players as a possibility as they don't exist on the free agency market, and the Fever don't really have any assets to trade outside of draft picks and two young players they'd probably like to keep (Timpson and Raven).

I've come to the conclusion that many Fever fans are of the belief that they are going to be able to replace Kelsey with a really good player. I had a back-and-forth on another platform with a fan who said, "We don't really need someone who scores 25ppg and gives nothing else. We need someone who gives us more like 18/5/4."

I looked. The number of players who averaged at least 18pts, 5rebs, and 4asts was exactly zero. And if there was such a player, they'd already be on a max contract and would certainly not be available in free agency or via a trade based on what Indiana could offer.

Caitlin and Kelsey together are also one of the toughest defensive matchups for almost every opponent in the league. It is their primary competitive advantage.

But what happens if Kelsey leaves? Can the Fever still compete after losing an All-WNBA and MVP candidate who put up one of the greatest scoring seasons in league history?

I decided to take a look at the last few decades of NBA History to see what happened in similar situations. Here are the parallels I was looking for:

- A team with two stars (loosely defined as an All-Star, but All-NBA would be even better) with one deciding to leave. Bonus points for a 3rd star that can represent Boston.

- The player leaves via free agency but a trade is fine so long as it brings back rotation-level players. Or if the player was salary-dumped, the team added another player(s) via free agency.

- The team losing the star player, decides to compete instead of rebuilding. This is the main key.

- I avoided teams with two young stars like Steph/KG or Vince/TMac. I wanted at least one to be more established.

Let's look at some comparisons:

2024-25 Minnesota Timberwolves

The previous season, The Wolves finished 3rd in the West and made it to the conference finals on the backs of their big 3: Anthony Edwards, Karl Anthony-Towns, and Rudy Gobert. The KAT/Gobert fit wasn't perfect and KAT's contract limited their roster flexibility, so they flipped him to the Knicks for players deemed a better fit: Julius Randle and Donte DiVincenzo.

What happened next? The team dropped from 56 to 49 wins and went from 3rd to 6th place. However, the end result was the same with them losing in the conference championship. The next year, last year, they had the same exact record and finish in the standings only to fall in the second round being hit by the injury bug.

It should be noted that Towns ended up winning a title with the Knicks, of course.

This is probably the best-case scenario for the Fever.

2016-17 Oklahoma City Thunder

Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant came so very close to knocking off the 73-win Warriors in the conference finals the year prior. Kevin Durant then decides to join said Warriors team leaving Russ behind.

The Thunder add a solid player in Victor Oladipo along with Domantas Sabonis by trading Serge Ibaka to the Magic. Oladipo is good but Sabonis isn't ready to contribute.

The Thunder go from 55 to 47 wins and a first round exit.

2004-05 Dallas Mavericks

The previous season, the Mavs big 3 of Nowitzki, Nash, and Finley lead the team to a 52-30 record, 3rd in the West, and 1st round playoff loss. The lead the league in scoring but are 2nd to last in defense.

Owner Mark Cuban decided to let Nash walk in free agency and instead opted to improve his defense with Erick Dampier. Shaq would refer to him as "Ericka" as Cuban made the claim that the signing Dampier would give them a better chance against him.

Along with Dampier, they add Jason Terry, and Josh Howard improves helping the team to a 58-24 record and 2nd place finish. They would lose in the 2nd round to Nash's Suns with Nash winning the first of his back-to-back MVPs that season.

The following year, Dallas would finish with 60 wins, good for 2nd in the West, and lose to Miami in the Finals. And Dwyane Wade just shot another FT as I was writing this.

2015-16 Portland Trailblazers

Rising superstar Damian Lillard paired with LaMarcus Aldridge, by then a 4-time all-star and all-NBA 2nd teamer, to lead Portland to a 51-31 record and 6th place finish in the West the previous season. There was a lot to hope for with this team and pairing.

After the season, Aldridge decides to leave to the Spurs. The Blazers struggle to replace him, going with guys like Al-farouq Aminu and Mason Plumlee. CJ McCollum does take a leap, and while the team drops to 44 wins, they make it to the 2nd round. They wouldn't make it out of the first round again until 2018-19 when they make the conference finals.

1996-97 Orlando Magic

Shaq and Penny, those were the days. After making the finals in 1995, they win 60 games and make it to the conference finals only to be swept by the Bulls. Shaq obviously leaves for the Lakers.

The Magic pick up Rony Seikaly to "replace" him. He's a serviceable big man with a decent offensive game but otherwise pretty forgettable. The Magic end up with 45 wins and a first round exit.

However, it should be noted that injuries bothered Hardaway that year (and really, the rest of his career) and limited him to 59 games. The Magic would go 38-21 with him in the lineup and 7-16 without.

2004-05 Los Angeles Lakers

The previous season, the Lakers lose to Detroit in the Finals and after the season, after deciding they don't want to pay the aging Shaq, decide to trade him to the Miami Heat.

The Lakers get a decent package in return but nowhere near the value of Shaq. Kobe takes the reigns and with Lamar Odom and Caron Butler and finish 34-48 and of course miss the playoffs. They wouldn't make it out of the first round until winning the title in 2008.

I could do Shaq leaving Miami, too, but let's move on...

It's obviously not hopeless if Indiana loses Kelsey Mitchell. Obviously, a lot depends on who they get to replace her in free agency, who they draft, and how well Raven and Timpson develop next season.

There aren't a lot of great options at guard in free agency. They are realistically looking at players like Betnijah Laney-Hamilton, Kennedy Burke, Maya Caldwell, Diamond Miller, etc. Those are solid players, but not the ones I think most Fever fans are hoping for. It is also worth keeping in mind that there are more teams with more cap space now so even landing one of those may be a challenge.

In the end, considering the options, I still think they should keep Kelsey, but I don't think it would be the end of the world if they lost her.

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u/GWTim78 — 9 days ago

The Offense is Not the Issue

Largely considered the greatest offensive team in league history, the 2023 Las Vegas Aces started the following players:

A'ja Wilson: 22.8pp/9.5reb/1.6asts on .557/.310/812 splits

Kelsey Plum: 18/7/2.4/4.5 on .475/.389/.912

Jackie Young: 17.6/4/3.8 on .523/.449/.867

Chelsea Gray: 15.3/4/7.3 on .490/.421/.897

All four players had a TS% over 60%. There were only 16 qualified players in the league that year with a TS% over 60%.

As a team, they scored 113 points per 100 possessions, with eFG% of 55.3 and a TS% of 59.7.

This year, the Indiana Fever lead the league in Offensive Rating at 112.4 points per 100 possessions. They also lead the league in both eFG% (54.6) and TS% (59.6). Just a smidge behind the best offense in league history.

The Fever are also scoring 94ppg which would set a new league record. The gap between them and second (Minnesota at 90ppg) is greater than the gap between #2 and #9 (Chicago at 86.4).

To hammer home the issue that the offense is not the issue, they actually score a little more in their losses (93.6 vs 94.6). The defense is the huge swing. In their wins, they only allow 80.4ppg. In their losses? 102.5. A massive 22-point difference with the offense remaining the same.

Just want to highlight Kelsey Mitchell and her historic season. I believe only 6 guards in league history have averaged more than 22ppg in a season. Only one of those, Cynthia Cooper in the first two seasons of the league, did it with a TS% over 60%.

Mitchell is currently averaging 22.7ppg with a TS% of .621.

Insane stuff all around.

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u/GWTim78 — 3 months ago
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Which of These Teams has the Unhappiest Fans Right Now?

Which team’s fans should be the most optimistic?

In July, NYL has games against Dallas (2x), MIN, Indy, and Vegas.

Dallas has the two games against NYL, another against Atlanta, and one with Washington.

Indiana has two against LV, one with NYL, and one against GSV. There is also a game at PHX which should be interesting.

Atlanta has a really easy month with Dallas being the only opponent currently over .500.

u/GWTim78 — 3 months ago
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Which Young Duo Wins a Title First?

Assuming they stay together and are healthy, which young duo do you think wins a title first? Not necessarily which is best, but who wins a title first.

Feel free to discuss and rank them 1-5 in the comments.

*this might heavily depend on where JuJu and Sarah Strong end up.

*setting aside Olivia Miles as she doesn’t have anyone to pair with and would likely run away with the vote.

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u/GWTim78 — 4 months ago
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A Storm is Brewing

When San Antonio drafted Wemby, everyone knew it was just a matter of time before they ascended to the top of the NBA ranks. Few thought it would happen so quickly, but with a couple more top draft picks, they made it to the Finals earlier than expected.

It’s starting to feel that way with Seattle. Drafting Malonga second in 2025, followed by Awa Fam falling into their laps at #3, and picking up Flau’jae in a trade, they appear destined to take over the league soon while Caitlin, Paige, Angel, and Olivia end up playing catch up before even having a chance to lay claim to a title.

They’ll have another decent draft pick next summer, cap space, and if they decide to trade Ezi, they could add another big piece.

Scary what this team might look like even as soon as next season.

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u/GWTim78 — 4 months ago
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The Most Impactful Free Agency Signing of this Past Offseason

​I'm not entirely sure of the exact reason the Fever decided not to bring back Natasha Howard. My guess is that Tash asked for a larger contract, the Fever declined thinking they could upgrade the position for cheaper (reasonable) while Tash figured she'd be due a bigger salary elsewhere than the one she ended up with (also reasonable, especially considering the FA contracts that were signed at that position).

At this point in the season, it's harder to identify one move that has impacted both teams to such a degree. The Fever have struggled to find a consisent contributor at the four, while Tash now anchors the league's best defense by a considerable amount. There is a greater gap in DRTG between the Lynx and GSV at 2 than there is between GSV and Vegas at 10. She is also one half of a monster pick and roll combo with rookie Olivia Miles feasting at the rim with a career high 62.5% FG%.

I stongly believe that if the Fever re-signed Tash, they would likely be in the top tier of the league with at most 3-4 losses right now. The fit wasn't perfect but it wasn't nearly as bad as fans remember. When Clark, Boston, and Howard shared the court last season, the Fever were +12.1 points per 100 possessions. For comparison, A’ja, Jackie Young, and Chelea Gray were +14.4.

Again, the offensive fit wasn't perfect, but with AB playing much more on the perimeter, there would have been opportunities to grow that combo even more. And her screening, defense, and rebounding at that position is sorely missed.

The truth is that Fever fans never really gave Tash a chance after her "MVP" comment in the preseason - even though I think that was actually complimentary of Caitlin as she figured she'd be getting a lot of easy buckets. But even now, most Fever fans won't admit it was a mistake to let her go.

On the flip side, it's interesting to consider who the Lynx would have ended up with had Tash re-signed. Nneka had already turned them down at that point. Perhaps...Mo Billings.

Players making more this season than Howard's $700K:

Alanna Smith

Kennedy Burke

Temi Fagbenle

Mo Billings

Stefanie Dolson

Courtney Vandersloot

Olivia Nelson-Odoba

Sami Whitcomb

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u/GWTim78 — 4 months ago