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Some subjunctive forms in Cicero "Pro Tullio"

Hello guys, my last questions to this speech. After these i'll finally have finished the speech. Hope some guys can help me with the subjunctive forms.

14, 33:

nam in dolo malo volunt delitiscere, in quo, non modo cum omnia ipsi fecerunt quae fatentur, verum etiam si per alios id fecissent, haererent ac tenerentur.

For they wish to hide behind a “dolus malus,” which they would insist upon and cling to—not only if they had committed everything they confess themselves, but also if they had had someone else carry it out.

Why the subjunctive forms haererent and tenerentur. Irrealis of present?

20, 47:

atque ille legem mihi de xii tabulis recitavit, quae permittit ut furem noctu liceat occidere et luce, si se telo defendat, et legem antiquam de legibus sacratis, quae iubeat inpune occidi eum qui tribunum pl. pulsaverit.

... and an ancient law that stipulates that anyone who strikes a tribune may be killed with impunity.

Why is iubeat present subjunctive? Although permittit before is indicative

24, 55:

'at enim oppugnatum me fortasse venissent.'

Why the past perfect subjunctive here?

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