What's the deal with "fur-pointed" cats?

What's the deal with "fur-pointed" cats?

I've been researching feline coat genetics as a personal project/for fun and I'm currently looking at coat types. I understand there are a few genes associated with hairlessness and a lot associated with rexed fur, plus the Lykoi mutations and "wirehair".

I've also come across the term "fur-pointed" though. The term seems to be specifically used usually while talking about the Minskin breed. Because the Minskin breed comes from crossbreeding Munchkins with Burmese and later Sphynx and Devon Rex, I assumed the fur-pointed thing comes from hr (sphynx hairlessness) with some environmental/temperature and/or polygenic component, but Minskins seem to have whiskers while totally hairless sphynxes tend to lack them (is that selective breeding or do all cats with that sphynx allele lack whiskers?)

I heard somewhere that fur-pointed cats have one copy of the hairless allele and one rex (hr/re) but I haven't found any source supporting that claim.

Anyone know more about fur-pointed cats?

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 11 days ago

What causes variation in longhaired cats' coat lengths/textures?

I know UC Davis has identified four alleles responsible for longhaired cats - M1 (Ragdolls), M2 (Norwegian Forest Cats), M3 (Maine Coons and Ragdolls), and M4 (all cats/general population), plus shorthair represented by N.

Usually, I see is summarised as L = shorthair and l = longhair. In longhaired cats, the transition from anagen (hair growth) to catagen (cessation of hair growth) is delayed as a result of a mutation in fibroblast growth factor 5.

But what explains variation in longhaired cats? I see some longhaired cats that look like clouds, and other longhaired cats that have a more wispy coat texture and could be described as "medium-haired". Compare a Persian or Siberian to an Oriental Longhair for example.

Is it the different longhair mutations? Or an illusion created by the cat's build under the fur (like how Oriental Longhairs look like they have shorter fur, could it just be because they're lean cats, and Persians looking fluffier but really it's just because they're cobby)? Is it climate/season or age related?

What dictates if a cat is single-coated vs double-coated?

I'm assuming these questions can just be answered by polygenes, but I can't find any good articles explaining these smaller variations.

Thanks in advance for any leads.

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u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 12 days ago

Questions about finding an ethical breeder

Sorry if this post isn't allowed. Also sorry if this is a really stupid question lol

It will be years until I can get myself a dog, but I would love to get an ethically/responsibly bred Standard Poodle some day, and I am researching in advance.

A big thing that comes up is proof of health testing, and a lot of people seem to look for OFAs/CHIC results. Most websites/pages talking about ethical breeding are American, so does this apply to every country, or do different countries have different databases/organisations?

Is there anything that may differ when looking for ethical breeders in different countries?

I'm in Australia.

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u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 23 days ago

Tried changing a cat's eye colour and broke the game

I'm using Genemod.

I changed a cat's eye colour to blue (first photo shows the only changes I made; I kept "Refraction": 10,), but upon opening the game again, got an error message and cannot open that clan.

Does anything look wrong? I referenced the Genemod eye colour document but maybe it was inaccurate and "sapphire" is wrong? I'm also sort of stupid lol and bad at coding so I don't even know what I did wrong.

Any advice appreciated.

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago
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What species could this skull be from?

Sorry this is a repost. I thought I'd delete my previous post and reupload with better photos.

Location: I am in NSW, Australia. However, I got this skull for free and we have no idea when or where it was originally acquired/sourced, so it could be from anywhere.

The incisors give rodent vibes, but it's obviously a lot bigger than a mouse or rat. It also has some sharp teeth, and it's very flat, so I know it's not a wallaby or kangaroo (too small for a roo anyway). I'm included every angle of the skull, and the last images show the size of it (in cm).

I'm confident with Felids, Canids, raccoons and opossums, but other than that I'm pretty terrible at skull ID, so I'm hoping someone here can help with IDing this one lol

It's a pretty cool find nonetheless.

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago
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What species is this skull from?

Location: I am in NSW, Australia. However, I got this skull for free and we have no idea when or where it was originally acquired/sourced, so it could be from anywhere.

The incisors give rodent vibes, but it's obviously a lot bigger than a mouse or rat. It also has some sharp teeth. I'm confident with Felids, Canids and raccoons, but other than that I'm pretty terrible at skull ID, so I'm hoping someone here can help with that lol

I'll see if I can get some better photos too.

It's a pretty cool find nonetheless.

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago
🔥 Hot ▲ 5.3k r/TheDigitalCircus

This feels very in-character for Ragatha and now I wish I could get my drawing tablet working so I could draw a little low-effort comic based on this lol

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago

Does my boy, Vincent need dechonking or is he okay?

I've always thought he was okay, just a big boy with a deep chest and a prominent pouch, but now I'm second-guessing myself looking at old photos of him and old records of his weight. I know some cats do fill out/get bigger as they mature though, and even his brother's pouch has gotten more prominent and saggier lol. Vincent also has a lot of loose skin that bundles up around his elbows when he crouches down. He actually likes when I play around with his pouch and skin.

He's currently 6 years old (turning 7 this year) and weighs 5 kg (11 lbs). The lowest he's been during his adult life was at about 3-4 years of age when he was 4 kg (8.9 lbs).

I can still feel his bones easily, but his ribs do have a little extra padding compared to his brother's (his brother is a lean boy).

He looks chunky from the side, but he looks lean from above.

He can still groom himself very easily, he goes outside (supervised/controlled, not free-roaming), and he plays every day. He especially loves to jump. When we're playing with the cat wand/teaser I like to make it swoop up so he can leap after it. He also loves balloons. And he wrestles with his brother all the time.

He is a bit of a glutton I will say. He gets controlled portions of food because otherwise he'd eat himself to death. But I have been training him using treats as a reinforcer and giving occasional snacks, and he loves his Churu and Temptations. If he is overweight, it might just be a matter of cutting down on the snackies.

So what's the verdict? Just a big boy, or too big?

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago

What would Vincent's warrior name and clan be?

He's not the smartest cat, and he's not the bravest (he gets startled by people sneezing) but he's very sweet. He loves a cuddle. Realistically, I don't think he could survive without people/twolegs (he'd definitely be a kittypet) but he does love the outdoors and it's fun to imagine how he'd do in a warrior cats setting lol

He doesn't free-roam outdoors, but I'd imagine he would be a good hunter in a clan setting. He loves to jump, and he gets very into stalking. He loves watching the birds through the window, and during supervised outing watch bugs and stuff. I think he could catch birds with how he prefers jumping over chasing. He also likes to eat bugs and spiders lol

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago

Mouse or rat?

Found in the attic at work. Outer Sydney region, NSW. There are a lot of rats outside but this guy seemed too small to be a rat (about 8-10-ish cm long from nose to tail tip?) so maybe a mouse. I suppose it could be a juvenile though.

Sorry the photos of the skull are sort of shitty. My phone is old, the camera is bad, and the skull is very small so it's difficult to get the camera to focus on it.

Thought it was an interesting find!

(If you've seen this before that's because this was a reupload now that I've found better photos of the dentition/skull; I deleted my previous post)

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago

Should I be concerned?

Genemod kept crashing so I deleted and redownloaded it. Now on startup I've noticed "libpng warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile". The application still works. Is this something to be concerned about?

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 2 months ago
▲ 49 r/ClanGen

Vinetail single-handedly keeping the clan going

Poor girl was hoping for a smaller litter too. At least they're cute?

One was stillborn but seven kits is still a huge litter. Not the most I've seen with modded litters turned on, but the most I've seen in a little while. Every other litter has just been a few kits at most.

u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 3 months ago

From what I've read:

Hrbd > hrbd

hi = ha

  • Hrbd/hrbd + hi/hi = brush coat
  • Hrbd/hrbd + hi/ha = brush coat with some bald areas
  • Hrbd/hrbd + ha/ha = brush coat that turns bald
  • Hrbd/Hrbd + hi/hi = velour coat
  • Hrbd/Hrbd + hi/ha = flocked coat
  • Hrbd/Hrbd + ha/ha = rubber bald – born bald and remains bald.

Does anyone have images of the different coat types? I've tried to search but can't find clearly labelled images for anything but rubber bald.

Any nice resources discussing this gene?

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u/Gloomy-Trainer-2452 — 4 months ago