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How to convince my dogs other owner not to breed him?

So I’ve been doing some research on breeding and I think I posted about it on this sub before describing the situation, but basically I have this male American Akita who’s other owner desperately wants to breed him and I’ve been telling him for months that it’s not a good idea but he’s firm enough on it to be willing to get into an argument with me about it.

My Akita is not breed standard as per his temperament, he’s basically a golden retriever and the other owner wants to breed to get a puppy with similar temperament. I told him the likelihood of that is very low since anyone willing to breed their bitch to him would be a backyard breeder and thus not reliable when it comes to predicting outcomes for temperament compatibility. On top of that, he’s never been shown, done genetic testing, etc. I told him that if he wants another dog like him he should just buy a golden retriever bc the research I’ve done shows clearly that this wouldn’t be a good idea and would not uphold breed standards for the continuation of the breed.

I’ve told him I don’t want to contribute to more people like the breeder we got him from fooling people into thinking these puppies are all glowing to grow up to be like my dog and then end up like the other dog someone i know got from the same breeder that was aggressive to dogs, small animals and also humans. That’s not fair to anyone involved including and especially to those dogs who are just expressing their breeds traits. He doesn’t care, he just yells about how he’s gonna do whatever he wants with his dog and that I think I know everything. I told him that at least I see the value in trying to research and he brushed it off. This is especially frustrating because I’m currently in the process of getting a service dog prospect, and I wouldn’t be able to do that at all if he got another puppy. We also live in an rv (granted, on 18 acres but it gets hot here so my Akita stays inside a lot) which is already crowded with my dog and two cats which is why I chose a specific breed for my service prospect that is smaller. It just seems so inconsiderate, defensive, and honestly possessive. I don’t know how to handle this situation bc it ends up an argument every single time. What do I do?

Edit: I am not a legal owner on the dogs registration

Update: other owner is in agreement not to breed him. I presented the idea of saving his specimen to use when he’s older or passed since attempting to raise a puppy right now would ruin my chances of success with a sdit. Thank you to everyone who has shared ideas and educational resources!

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u/Ok_Salamander6067 — 20 hours ago

Input from experienced Dachshund breeders

I was just talking to a breeder yesterday who said they don't retire their breeding girls till 8-9 years old, & wondered if this was the norm for this breed?

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u/Apart-Dish-8388 — 13 hours ago

Semen

Hello. Can anyone let me know how this semen sample looks? I paid someone to collect and ship chilled semen to my vet. This is the collection prior to shipping.

u/C131331 — 23 hours ago

I’m stressing over timing a breeding

7 years old Papillon bitch, bred by me.
Has a really nice pedigree, finished her champion and grand champion titles, health tested all clear.
PRA-Pap1, NAD, vWD1, FVII and DM, all clear which is difficult to find.

She had her first litter in 2023, we went by classical method back then (she told me when she is ready), mated on days 7-11 without progesterone testing, resulted in 1 normal sized female -lives happily- and 1 tiny male puppy who didn’t make it. Counting 63 days back from date of whelping says the ovulation occured on day 9 or 10.

Now it’s time for a new mating before retiring her, I have been planning it for a looong time. Her last cycle was clashing with Christmas and New Years so we had to postpone.

May 14 - I noticed her vulva is swollen (day 1, or maybe 2 in case I noticed it a day late)
May 19 - Noticed she started flagging, late night.
May 20 - She started flirting with the girls at home, we did progesterone testing, result: 11.33ng/ml

I was thinking we’ll get a baseline with this initial test, expecting to see a number around 3-5. But now seeing this result and she starting being flirty, I tend to think that she’s ovulated maybe 1-2 days ago, eggs are now mature and she should be bred today. Could the number making me have bias (fixed on the idea that 5 indicates ovulation)? Could it be she’s just ovulated? Am I overthinking this?

I have spent a lot of time and gave a lot of thought while selecting this one stud. He lives in another country, I can’t fly. His owner is probably busy, can’t fly in either.
Courrier can fly late night on 21th (00:55am 22nd actually), arrive at stud’s city on 22nd (needs to take train after landing in, so probably they’ll arrive in the evening). I’m not sure if the eggs will still be okay at that time.
Courrier hasn’t responded to my texts yet probably because he is busy flying, I couldn’t confirm the flight yet. That’s another stressor for me. It’s 2am May 21th here right now and I can’t sleep.

Another friend can fly my girl there on 22nd-late night. If we choose to send her with the friend, she can’t meet the stud until 23rd.

Will it be too late?

The only thing I can think of is having another sample sent to the lab tomorrow to see how much her level has risen.
I hope the guy will text back so I can get some relief.
I really don’t want to postpone again, that’ll mean 1 year of wasted time (she’ll be older and I don’t want to do irresponsible breeding with an aging dog).

Inseminations with shipped chilled or frozen semen are not an option due to ridiculous customs regulations of my country.

*Edited to add: Courrier guy responded, flight is booked but we can’t confirm adding the dog yet since he can’t call the airline due to him being on another flight. Airline doesn’t offer online pet confirmations and doesn’t accept someone other than the passenger add the dog on the call 😒

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u/AccomplishedHumor175 — 23 hours ago

Question on grey area of "ethical breeding"

I'm not a dog breeder, but I'm absolutely fascinated by breeding, especially when done well. It's a new found passion on mine.

Since I've been seeing it a lot, what is your personal opinion on breeders that breed AKC registered dogs and raise the puppies well and don't have a ton of litters but also don't invest in OFA/genetic testing/don't do shows? 

I use Good Dog and I know it's hard to find CHIC registered parents that are also titled on there, especially in a reasonable price range, but it's possible. 

I recently lost a 700 dollar deposit on a dachshund because I thought the woman was very transparent and communicated well and raised her pups with care/in her home and I found a very cute puppy, but I backed out because I'm pretty sure that's still technically a backyard breeder if there is no health testing or titles for parents. 

Would you consider this a backyard breeder/unethical breeder, or "old-school" or "under educated"? I definitely feel she breeds with good intentions for production of pet quality dogs.

This should take you to the breeder I was considering to give you more context. 

Canisteo Dachshunds on Good Dog

https://www.gooddog.com/breeders/canisteo-dachshunds-indiana#litter\_id=326466&puppy\_id=3091011

Is there such a thing as a breeder that's somewhere between an ethical breeder and a backyard breeder/unethical breeder?

I ended up adopting a Chihuahua instead (I was interested in both breeds and have had Chihuahuas and dachshund mixes) for $2,500 that is from an AKC breeder of merit. She is part of the regional breed club and both parents were CHIC registered and had titles (GCh and Ch). She didn't provide a contract, but no other red flags and I found her on Good Dog so I feel I ended up getting a well bred dog at a good price considering the source I went with. 

I recently got into a back and forth with a breeder about how titles and health testing has been hard to find from dachshund breeders and she told me it was "people like me that have never been in the breeding world and think they have the right to call others unethical and act like they own the breed when they dont understand the poor conditions shown dogs live in and dogs don't need health testing and to be shown in order to be responsibly bred". 

Also, I have a Chihuahua from strong champion lines that was just diagnosed with bilateral luxating patellas at 10 months old that I got from the breeder at 7 months old with absolutely no potty training. He had been living in a puppy pen and didn't even come pad trained. He did not have OFA tested parents.

His breeder said it's her opinion that you either need titled or health tested parents, but not both. I bought him before I had done solid research on ethical breeding.

Because apps like Good Dog mean there are a lot of people buying from breeders in this grey area, and it would be great to get feedback from the breeding community on what exactly it takes to be ethical and if it is a backyard breeder when the breeder still produces with the intention of raising loved puppies in order to make someone happy with a well raised and loved pup without OFA testing/titles or with one or the other.

I feel like this is a bit of a grey area. What are your thoughts on this?

I don't need any more dogs in my life, but apps like Good Dog may be mostly bad...they are also opening this absolute fascination in me for dogs and breeding and what it truly means to be a good breeder.

u/Mumbles1988 — 2 days ago

Stud start advice

I have a beautiful male rottweiler, who turns 2 next month, and am looking at breeding him as I have been asked by many if I would consider it. He has no health problems, and is purebred, a wonderful temperament. Looking for advice on how i would start on approaching this ( in Australia) and where I can get things like the title/papers that confirm his pedigree etc

TIA

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u/hairdyes02 — 1 day ago

Has anyone sent frozen semen from a stud dog from the USA to Greece (or another country member of the EU)?

If someone has sent frozen semen from a stud dog from USA to Greece or another country that’s a member of the EU, can you please tell me what are the requirements, what one needs to be aware of, etc.?

Thanks in advance!

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u/Born_Vacation7154 — 1 day ago

Best temp for heating pads?

What do you set your heating pad temp for? I keep seeing 85 but I feel like the puppies settle better when it’s on 90 but then again I don’t want to overheat them either.

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u/Many-Art-6160 — 1 day ago

Unethical Giant Schnauzer breeders

Just down the road from where I live there are two large orange signs that get posted out front of a house saying “AKC Giant Schnauzer Puppies” with a phone number attached at the bottom. Last year, I was curious and called them to ask about their dogs. This is the 4th or 5th breeding they’ve done with these two dogs. Neither are OFA/CHIC tested (I asked and they didn’t know what I was talking about). I asked if the dogs were otherwise health tested and they said no but they take the dogs to the vets and they’ve never had any issues health wise. I asked if the dogs were show line or working line and they responded by saying they guess that a few of the males from that litter could work if we really wanted them to. I asked if they had any titles on their dogs and they laughed at me and said no, they are just pets but they like breeding them.

My husband and I drove past their house again and saw the signs posted today. I’ve seen what their dogs look like and something isn’t quite right and their answers to my questions never sat well with me because there are actual ethical breeders who care about their dogs who are doing this. I got frustrated when asking the questions last year and just stopped after they told me how much they charge ($2,800 per pup) and they continue to claim the dogs could be shown despite large white markings on the puppies faces, paws, and chest (despite being black - not salt and pepper) which would be considered faults by the AKC and GSCA making them unshowable.

My husband and I are beyond frustrated with this because this is our breed, we absolutely love them, and are dedicated to its preservation. We have breeding mentors, are working towards titling our dogs, know their lineage 5+ generations back, are OFA/CHIC testing, spending thousands on training and vet checks and countless hours taking care of our dogs before even breeding them - and we won’t if they don’t have good OFA/CHIC tests and aren’t titled… it’s just frustrating when we see people constantly exploiting these animals and constantly breeding them but knowing nothing about their own dogs at the same time, and quite frankly it’s kinda discouraging because every one of their puppies sell but that just puts more unethically bred dogs into the system. I’ve seen two of their pups end up in the local animal shelter this past year and a half which I immediately recognized because of the white markings and head shape which were the same as a pup in a photo I saw of the puppies from a litter last year. I just don’t know what to do or think anymore. Do I call them and educate them about what they’re doing is wrong? Do I just leave it alone and hope they stop breeding after this litter? Do I ignore it? Or just tell people not to buy from them if they’re in the market for a puppy??

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u/ChemicalWeekend307 — 2 days ago
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A question about ethical breeding.

We have a beautiful Blue Merle female, KC registered in the UK with low inbreeding and good health. I am not a registered breeder but would love to have a litter from her as she is the perfect temperament etc. I’ve done a lot of research on the double blue/merle genetics and understand I can only breed with fawn, black or brindle. My question is will fawn and brindle sires throw a lot of non-standard colours? Should we stick with a black or perhaps mantle sire? Like I said, not a professional breeder, just an enthusiastic owner who would love to keep the line going from my perfect girl.

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u/DogsandBookz — 2 days ago

Accidental breeding

I think the title says it all. After a decade, it finally happened and we’ve had an accidental breeding. I’m currently waiting for the repo vet to call me back to discuss options.

We had introduced our girl back into the pack; she is about 28 days since I noticed blood, and I expected she was further along. We introduced her yesterday and everything seemed fine. My older boys didn’t care about her and neither did the younger one (her half brother).

I got a phone call while I’m out doing chores that they’re stuck together, and I got back to see my panicked husband. He’s very upset and I can’t even be upset at him; he’s genuinely sick over it.

This girl is a little submissive and I do wonder if she let it happen, but the ovulation window has passed. I’ve always been told mismate shots are dangerous. I don’t even know if she took. I’ve never had one go that late for a breeding. Again, my other experienced boys didn’t care about her.

Waiting for the repo vet to call back.

Mom was my best producer and a great dog herself. She produced a number of service animals, and even her other son saved my life so many times. I miss her so much.

The male that got her is proven (but done so with AI). This is my only female from mom, so spay-aborting isn’t an option. the only saving grace is the dads are total outcrosses so it’s not GREAT - but not like full siblings.

I have heard there are advancements in mismate shots and am just wondering if anyone has used them and had the bitch go on to have a successful pregnancy after.

Trying to figure out options here.

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u/Infamous_Project_562 — 3 days ago

Question about inbreeding

So we all know that modern domestic dogs breeds are… a little inbred in some cases and a lot inbred and a lot in others. What’s wrong with crossing let’s say a border collie with a dog breed with a similar structure (Toller, or Aussie) in order to add genetic diversity to a line.

Do you think that dogs would be healthier today if confirmation never really took off an individual lines of dogs were bred for working ability alone?

I am of the opinion that dogs specifically working dogs should not be bred for looks they should be bred for working ability, temperament, and soundness. I am generally for all breed club recognition of dog breeds because I believe it leads to issues.
Granted, I’m also a border collie person and while I’m not a breeder I have always been told that it ain’t really a border collie if it can’t herd, the ABCA takes this to a extreme but I’m all for it if it discourages breeding for looks and preserves dogs working ability.

I also know that JRTCA any dog that fits the type can be registered and bred with jack Russell’s to add genetic diversity (I think).

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u/Toomuchviolins — 3 days ago

Puppy Evaluations

6 week old Teddy Roosevelt Terriers

Blues tris are female sables are male

Who are your top 2 picks male and female

I know who I like but I’d love to see others opinions

u/milquetoast2000 — 4 days ago

Opinions on breeder

This poodle breeder I'm looking into has three parent dogs

Two dams and a sire

All are titled (confo, obedience, agility) and have proper OFAs for poodles (results look good) but no dogs in the parents lineage have any titles or OFAs done so doesn't sound like parent dogs came from ethical sources but she took the time to prove them and health.

So would this be ethical practice?

Thx in advance, just trying to learn

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u/Fine_Ad6578 — 5 days ago

How Do you Place Dogs You’re Attached to?

The title. I picked up a stud prospect, he was supposed to have a co own lined up it fell through. He ended up being the most perfect puppy. He is wonderful without others and has made a connection with our ancient senior dog who mostly tolerates other dogs.

An amazing home reached out. One that can prove him in ways I can’t. But it’s hard. I’ve never had it be this hard to choose if one stays or goes before. He’s young and his temperament may change but right now he is such a sweetie to the others and is a dream to have in the home.

What do you guys think? How do you place dogs you love? Puppies are easy to me. Some dogs I don’t feel a connection to so it’s easier with them but this guy has just fit in so well.

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u/milquetoast2000 — 5 days ago

Puppy possibly being a mixed breed, if true should I contact AKC?

I’ve got a 6 month old supposedly pure bred DDR German Shepherd that came from the sister kennel of the breeder I was working with. I contacted the breeder I worked with because his ears haven’t stood up at all and I was curious if at this point I should try one of the methods to help them stand up or not. During that phone call they informed me that the mom was supposedly impregnated/mated by not only the male shepherd but also a golden Labrador. I’m doing a DNA test to confirm if he in fact mixed or not. Regardless of the results he’s staying home with me even though they offered to take him and replace with one of their puppies from their upcoming litter. What I’m upset about is I wasn’t contacted about this being a possibility, the sister kennel still has photos of 1 his litter mates for sale being advertised as pure bred and I mean he straight up has the body of a Labrador. The breeder i worked with offered me a full refund when I called so if they do the right thing in the end I don’t want to get them in trouble.

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u/Infalliblepho — 6 days ago

How to educate first time puppy buyers on ethical dog breeding?

I am not a breeder but a dog enthusiast who is very keen on ethical breeding and highly supports preservation breeders. A couple with their 12 year old daughter want to buy their first dog.

First of all, I'll probably only have about an hour to talk to them, and they don't really know much. I would really like to educate these people in the best possible way so that they understand the importance of buying from an ethical breeder. Note: ethical breeders are pretty rare in my country (in Europe).

They don't really know much about dogs, they just know they want a small dog that doesn't bark much and want to buy it in 6–12 months. I will also tell them about different breed characteristics, care, and health concerns that come with each breed. I hope if this conversation goes well, we can meet again and talk more.

What is your experience with the best approach for doing this in such a short amount of time? Where should I start? I'm not asking for advice on the information/content about ethical breeding and dog breeds, but rather how I should present it to these people. I hope what I'm asking makes sense.

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u/One_Character_6009 — 5 days ago
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Mary Mctavish sold us a Pomeranian with congenital defects

We got our dog from Mary Mctavish recommended by winterhaven Pomeranians and he unfortunately has genetic disorders. Be careful using her as a breeder if winterhaven recommends her.

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u/MoviePuzzleheaded389 — 5 days ago

Anyone experienced with bottle feeding newborn puppies?

I will have to assume motherly responsibility for 10 puppies that are only a day old. I bought some bottles off Amazon prior and some puppy milk replacer but pups do not like nor will take the nipples I have so far. Any recommendations on how to safely feed them or which nipples would work? I posted earlier about my first time mother dog having very weird and alarming behavior. She was super anxious, restless, and just could not settle down in which she became a danger to the puppies. At the ER she was administered a mild sedative and anxiety meds, given an Xray, and results came back good and no puppy on Xray and was perfectly fine at the vet and on the way home so I figured great she just needed some calm down meds until her hormones regulated. Well she had something else in mind, she ran to her whelping pen and started acting anxious again but more aggressively and then she started biting and trying to attack the puppies, I hurried and grabbed a leash and had to literally pull her away from them and I even feared that she might of bit me in that moment. She’s totally changed like a light switch and I do not recognize her anymore. I was shocked to know her test results were good & the ER vet told me “some dogs just aren’t good mothers” but she’s different and does not seem the same. I was instructed to keep her away from them
Permanently although that will be a struggle in the same house . Besides taking care of pups full time I don’t know what else to do, I’m heartbroken & afraid.

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u/Many-Art-6160 — 6 days ago