u/GonerBits

Paimon is the discarded emotion of Phanes.

(No evidence from 7.0 will be used in this post.)

Hello!

A while ago, I made a theory that Paimon is a piece of the Heavenly Principles' heart.

In short, it uses the story of the Archons, Skirk and Ineffa as analogies to make the case that Paimon is the embodiment of Phanes' emotions, severed in order to make the Heavenly Principles more "godly," remove weakness, and make them operate based purely on Reason.

That theory has not only held up tremendously, but I actually think there's more compelling evidence. So let's get into it!

1. Sandrone and the Tsaritsa - Reason versus Emotion

Summer events have always foreshadowed the next region. Idiya and the Oceanids, the Golden Apple Archipelago with Inazuma and Sumeru, and of course, Simulanka, the gift that keeps on giving...

This year, our event focused on Sandrone, and her internal conflict between Reason and Emotion.

From the moment Sandrone was created, she experienced conflicts between her cognitive and emotional modules. This led to an "anomaly" in her systems - a being representing "what happens when emotion contradicts reason."

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The "anomaly" doesn't have any actual power. It's only a nagging voice inside of Sandrone's subconscious, asking her to do something "illogical" for the sake of her emotions. In other words, her conscience.

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The anomaly is seen as something worthless, something that only brings pain, and something unnecessary. This anomaly has been locked away for many years, much like Nahida was. Now that she's come face to face with "Reason," she asks whether she's going to remain locked away, or if she's going to be destroyed altogether.

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This is perfect foreshadowing for the conflict between Reason and Emotion within Phanes. The Tsaritsa's theme as the God of Love seems to be centered around balancing Reason with Emotion - She acts coldly out of greater love for the world. While the Tsaritsa's heart may be frozen in ice, ice is a form of preservation. Rather than cutting her emotions out entirely, she hardens them, but that does not mean they will never thaw again.

Only by embracing Paimon can the Heavenly Principles truly find peace.

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2. Dainsleif and the Five Sinners

The Five Sinners correspond to the authorities of the Four Shades and Heavenly Principles: Time, Space, Life, Death, and Reason.

However, Dainsleif can be considered a sixth "sinner" that does not count as part of their group and stands opposed to them.

Skirk mentions that Surtalogi's power is enough to overturn "A sixth" of the world.

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Heck, even "The Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies" acknowledges a sixth member of the Sinners. So, what power would Dainsleif wield if not one of the five Authorities? There must be a sixth.

3. Asmoday and Melancholy

Ashikai mentioned my previous theory in her video about Asmoday and the power of Space! I highly recommend giving it a watch, along with the rest of her videos - I've been a longtime fan, and I was absolutely floored to see my theory get a shoutout!

In her video, she makes the case that Paimon is actually a fragment of Asmoday, an "imaginary friend" and embodiment of childhood that helps her deal with her melancholy. I love this theory, but I think that this applies to Phanes and the Shades as a whole, not just Asmoday specifically.

Without going too far into it, I believe that the Four Shades represent the Four Temperaments associated with the alchemical elements of Earth, Water, Air and Fire. According to this framework, Ronova is Choleric, Istaroth is Sanguine, Naberius is Phlematic, and Asmoday is the "Melancholic" temperament, which would characterize her as depressive and distant (to use a Space pun) from the other Shades.

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In my opinion, Paimon is in the perfect position to help Asmoday and all of the other Shades to deal with their emotions, because she represents Emotion itself. It's emotion that makes something "human," and the rejection of emotion is the Heavenly Principles rejecting its own humanity in favor of eternity.

4. Writing changes and "vibes"

I know the concept of changes in writing direction and "retcons" are a touchy subject in the fandom, so I won't go too deeply into it.

However, I will briefly note that Paimon's crown is the one present in the Genshin Impact logo. Not only that, but Paimon herself is visible behind the logo of the webtoon.

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This webtoon, released before the game came out, does not focus on the domain of any of the Shades in particular. Rather, it focuses on the overall themes of the game, the Primordial nature of Celestia, and the relationship between gods and humans. I personally think this decision to feature Paimon in the webtoon -- one where Paimon does not appear, and the Traveler makes an appearance in the background of a single panel-- only makes sense if Paimon is a successor to Phanes in a significant way. Her sharing of the "crown" motif with Phanes only supports a direct connection between them.

The writers clearly knew who Paimon was before establishing anything about the Shades, the Angels, the Traveler's spaceship, or any other plot threads that complicate the story. In my opinion, the only narratively satisfying conclusion is that Paimon's role is front and center, and something that can be intuitively understood by a brand-new player. Paimon's role must be the linchpin of the game's story, and her being the discarded embodiment of Celestia's humanity is the perfect role to encapsulate the game's themes.

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Throughout the entire journey, emotion has been a very important force throughout Teyvat. Emotions run through the Ley Lines. They can be communicated through the Elements across vast distances. They are contained within memories of past moments. Negative emotions, or Resentments, cause problems with souls and the Abyss. Positive emotions and relationships grant power to people to defy fate itself. Et cetera, et cetera.

Thus, Emotion can be said to be something that transcends Life, Death, Time, Space and Reason itself.

It has no authority of its own, but without it, all things lose their meaning. In many ways, "Emotion" IS the "Reason" for everything. Emotion is not a separate power from Reason, but instead, the other side of the same coin.

I believe this is why Paimon shares the imagery of the "Crown of Reason" with Phanes - because Emotion is something that is born directly from, and stands in opposition to Reason -- just like Ineffa, Sandrone and Skirk.

Thus, Paimon's role as a companion cannot be understated. Whereas Phanes is distant, Paimon is present. Phanes is untouchable, mighty and strong, and Paimon is weak, down-to-earth and vulnerable. Phanes is the god of all gods, while Paimon acts much more like a human. Paimon may be seen as a liability by Phanes, but to humanity, she is the most precious of all.

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u/GonerBits — 3 days ago

The Temple of Space answered many questions and raised many more. One small thing it solidified for me, however, was who designed and maintained the Statues of the Seven (and as you can tell by the title, that's Asmoday.)

Nicole is an Angel, and many of her abilities mirror those of the Shining Shades as a result. One thing she routinely does is create statues through a special method where she divides a large stone block into cubes, carves out the basic shape, and then finishes the rest with magic. If this isn't a practice rooted in the concept of space, I don't know what is!

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Funnily enough, guess what we use to access the Temple of Space? That's right - Venti's statue, rotated towards the Temple.

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The Statues of the Seven function as map markers for the player, much like the Teleport Waypoints. They mark physical locations in the space of Teyvat that the Traveler is able to visit -- doing so even expands the visible map, increasing the space that's visible from our vantage point in the heavens.

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But the real thing that tipped me off to this connection is the fact the Statues of the Seven haven't been updated since shortly after the Cataclysm.

We know this because of the fact that Mavuika's statue still represents her. Kachina believes the resemblance to be a coincidence, which implies that even during the reigns of the succeeding Pyro Archons, the statue continued to represent Mavuika.

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Asmoday also went missing shortly after the Cataclysm. With her gone, it makes total sense that the Statues wouldn't be updated.

It makes you wonder about the Defiled Statue. The Abyss Order took one of the statues and inverted it by turning it upside down, which can be seen as an act of defiance against Space. (Or perhaps against Reason, by using Space - an upside-down statue is something "nonsensical," after all, and represents the overturning of the chessboard, so to speak.)

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​In fact, all of the upside-down Teyvat symbolism (The Chasm, reflection of the stars in a lake, et cetera) becomes rather interesting with that framework in mind - especially since reflections are a reversal of Space.

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I've mentioned it before in other posts, but I always believed that the Eternal Oasis was a space constructed inside a goblet because it's meant to keep out the Thousand Winds of Time, resulting in the sandstorm we see surrounding the desert. The many descriptions of the Temple of Space support this theory, asserting that the Temple is a place free of wind, and free from Erosion as a result. Funnily enough though, Deshret's mausoleum is also shaped like an hourglass!

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​An hourglass is a timepiece that, when turned upside down, reverses the flow of time. Perhaps this is related to the Abyss Order's goal of bringing Khaenri'ah back? Venti does contain associations with the Thousand Winds of Time, after all, so the fact it’s his statue may be significant (it is his statue that leads to the Temple of Space, as well). Or perhaps, rather than time, the flow being reversed here is that of elemental energy, creating a void that fills with abyssal power? Food for thought.

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I always found it interesting that Surtalogi, the Sinner seemingly with the power over Space, doesn't seem to be utilizing that power for anything other than destruction. Sure, the tearing apart of matter is a fine use of that power, but it's not as interesting as the sorts of spaces constructed in the Temple of Space. However, if it's true that Asmoday switched sides (as it appears to be), I have hope that we'll see more "nonsensical" spaces in the future created by Asmoday herself-- the kind that would make Escher blush. Hopefully a mix of M.C. Escher-esque optical illusions and gravity manipulation a la Pokemon's Distortion World (it just felt like such a shame not to be able to walk on all sides of those cubes!)

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Thanks for reading! I hope that as we learn more about Asmoday, we'll be able to learn more about the Statues as well. Feel free to discuss anything else related to Asmoday, or the role of Space in the story!

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u/GonerBits — 4 months ago