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Is Forbidden Knowledge Nibelung considered to be a seperate entity from Nibelung the Sovereign King? (minor 6.7 WQ spoiler)

So the most common theories/interpretations of who the Descenders are is:

  1. HP > FK Nibelung > Saarelainen> Traveller
  2. HP > ??? > Saarelainen > Traveller
  3. HP > ??? > ??? > Traveller (just so you all feel representened lol)

Nibelung being the 2nd Descender is highly contested on here due to the fact that Nibelung is the will of Teyvat himself, and a Descender (according to Rene) is someone who could rival this will.

However, in the recent WQ there might be a little hint soft-confirming the order when the Traveller and Paimon talk about the beings who have landed on the Front Moon in order, skipping the existence of the 3rd Descender:

>Paimon: First, the Heavenly Principles arrived, then the dragon king, and now us!

I think there might be more truth to this small joke Paimon made, since Nod Krai has been heavly hinting to Nibelung being a Descender:

  • To preface, Before Sun & Moon declares the Funerary Year to be a battle between the Primordial One and the Second Who Came
  • In the AQ, Lauma refers to the FY as a "battle between Descenders"
  • Nicole gave us full confirmation the battle in the FY was between the HP and Nibelung

That leads me onto the title of the post, if Nibelung is the will of the world, how does he have a will to rival his own will? I couldn't seem to wrap my head around it, unless Nibelung, who was corrupted by the Abyss, is treated as it's own seperate entity with its own consciousness and will to Nibelung the Sovereign King. Its portrayed in many ways, from the visual difference between white and black,

Reshiram

Zekrom

To names as well (which are very imporant in Teyvat as shown in Natlan). Particularly, the whole conversation where Paimon made the earlier comment striked me as interesting:

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The data entries from the Dragon researchers seem to treat Nibelung not as their holy king, but a Dark King, different to the one they had previously known. They no longer refer to Nibelung as the Sovereign King or the Formidable Father (like Neuvillette does) and also treat his will as something seperate to that of uncorrupted Nibelung. Its also quite strange they chose to spell it out like this as it is not the first time Nibelung had been mentioned to be corrupted by the Abyss in a voiced quest. Was it to emphasise the idea the corrupted Nibelung is not really Nibelung?

This brings me onto the way the story portrays the relationship between mind, soul, and body when it comes to the Abyss and Abyssal corruption. We can see characters who struggle with maintaining this relationship to be true to themself, such as the Abyss twin and the Five Sinners; especially Rerir who has gotten the spotlight in the Welking Moon AQ. Another prominent example would be Rhinedottir and her qualms with motherhood. There is also Caribert, who was Caribert in soul but not Caribert in body, and perhaps consciousness but that's debatable. Durin as a character tends to battle this problem too.

In this WQ, there is also something similar with the two mega Kuuhenki which happen to be the dragon researchers Ungien and Maagees-Geti, however instead of Abyssal energy, it was with the ancient moon energy instead:

https://preview.redd.it/lbm5ru85zhbh1.png?width=1317&format=png&auto=webp&s=9518cb0b393fb344af1bece649620fe7307ad9b3

One issue I take with this idea though is Dvalin. During the prologue he is corrupted by the Abyss, but he is still Dvalin at the end of the day, unless there is a certain limit to which someone can be corrupted by the Abyss and be considered a whole new person/entity? I wonder why we're still skirting around the edges as to who the 2nd Descender is because its not much of a secret so far, unless they're veiling the process in which Nibelung became a Descender.. that might be a nuclear lore bomb.

Anyways, food for thought!

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u/cy6orgs — 7 hours ago

What was even the point of burning Irminsul?

I don't believe that all this hype was created solely for the epic funeral of one mad scientist.

We were being prepared for this moment since 2022, but in essence, nothing changed.

I still think that the Tsaritsa was fully aware of Dottore's affairs, and that Dottore, on her orders, led everything toward Irminsul being burned. It's not for nothing that in Shivada Jade (the ascension crystal for Cryo characters) the burning of the old world is mentioned.

I am sure that everything happening is the Tsaritsa's plan: the deaths of the Harbingers, Scaramouche's and Colombina's departure, Dottore's willfulness, and the burning of Irminsul. She clearly knows what she is doing.

It is likely that the Tsaritsa knows that certain things will happen, which things must happen for her to achieve her goal, and which things cannot be avoided. After all, the flow of time in Teyvat is quite ambiguous. Or she could have turned to Irminsul itself for information. But what was the point of burning an entire world tree if it gave nothing?

Did she realize that she no longer needed Dottore and decided to get rid of him so he wouldn't get too arrogant? Suppose that in hypothetical other time loops they left him alive, and he just went and decided to become the new Cryo Archon :D

Maybe... her plan went awry? Suppose she really needed to burn Irminsul, but not only did it change nothing, she also didn't get the Pyro Gnosis.

Honestly, I don't like this theory, because I am too confident that this is all one big multi-step scheme. What do you think about this?

P.S.

Just hypothetically, do you think that if the burning of Irminsul had chronologically happened earlier than the Fontaine plot, and the Aaru had not been activated, Fontaine would still have been flooded? (In her line about Furina, Nahida says that "the 'prophecy' was carved into Irminsul long ago" — that's a direct quote.)

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u/Fantastic_Money3613 — 13 hours ago

Snezhnaya is hidden from the Gods' gaze [6.7 WQ spoiler]

During the latest World Quest on the moon, we learned that the dragon Ungien left aboard the Moongazer, heading into deep space in search of the distant entity that has been sending its message across the universe.
After that, all traces of Ungien disappear until, some time later, the Moongazer returns, crashing into the space station.
Maages investigates the Moongazer and discovers that Ungien willingly merged with the unknown entity in order to deliver its message.

The fusion between Ungien and the "Stellar Blackbody" gave birth to a "round, black, spiky creature" which became the subject of various experiments because it secretes a substance called "Blackbody Matter," which possesses a unique "reflective" property.
This substance was also found on the surface of the Moongazer, and it was thanks to it that the spacecraft had remained hidden.

Blackbody Matter became the main focus of Lusalim's experiments for its greatest project: the Lunar Veil.
The goal was to create a barrier using the reflective properties of Blackbody Matter to hide and protect areas of different sizes from dangerous observers.
The project was eventually handed over to the Heavenly Principles and later became Teyvat's fake sky.

During these experiments, researchers also discovered that Blackbody Matter could merge with other living organisms, including plants and animals that were sufficiently compatible, causing them to emit the "courtain."

The clearest example is the tree we find inside the Courtain-Form Blackbody Containment, which the Ancient Terminal describes in detail:

>The ecological research team has cultivated thousands of Moonshade Trees. From among them, Professor Maagees's team selected compatible specimens with a high compatibility for integration with the "Blackbody Matter."
After being stimulated by a certain intensity of Archaeolune Energy, this individual released diffusive waves with reflective properties.
By increasing the intensity of stimulation, the specimens will continue emitting diffusive waves until a stable curtain-form containment is formed, with a radius extending beyond the entire laboratory.

The filament-like secretions coming out of that tree immediately reminded me of the strange branches we saw in the Snezhnaya trailers, stretching across the sky around Snezhnograd.

They almost seem to be made of the same substance, since their twisting shape doesn't resemble the branching pattern of a normal tree.
The only real difference is that the ones in Snezhnaya look more rigid, probably because they're frozen.

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Looking at the first teaser trailer in particular, it seems like these branches originate from the structure left behind by the Beliy Tsar.
The Tsaritsa says: "A tomb and birch trees, the Tsar final tokens of affection."

https://preview.redd.it/b5f230ea9fbh1.png?width=2880&format=png&auto=webp&s=4513578b8c9f01a098ffaab998023863cc5b2f9b

I believe the Tsar's final gift was a curtain designed to prevent the gods of Celestia (the Shades and the Heavenly Principles) from seeing or understanding what is happening in Snezhnaya.

The secret almost certainly involves Project Stuzha and whatever the Tsaritsa plans to do with the Gnosis, but I also think it has to do with the massive suspended structure left behind by the Belyi Tsar.
It looks very much like a new path into the heavens, one meant to reach Celestia.

After all, that was also the goal of Koitar and the Voyager when they declared war on Celestia:

>"Let us build a city and a tower that soars up to the clouds, that the people of the earth need weep bitter tears no longer" 
[Deep Gallery's Lost Crown]

I think the branches above Snezhnaya are made of Blackbody Matter.
After all, the barrier's power comes directly from the tree itself.
In the description of the Conceailng Veil, we read:

>A Moonshade Tree, shaped through selective gene tuning, spreads its branches wide. The blackbody matter it emits can form a vast screen, shielding this place from prying eyes and hostile observation.

By hiding beneath its curtain, it's possible that the Shades never realized that first the Tsar, and then the Tsaritsa, have spent years secretly building a way to reach Celestia.

Thanks so much for reading. I'd love to hear what you all think.

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u/Polstead — 16 hours ago

Regarding the Heavenly Principles and the Twins' ship AI (6.7 World Quest Spoilers)

So I just finished the main moon word quest in 6.7, and after that final reveal, one big revelation came in my mind that not a lot of people are pointing out. The Heavenly Principles cannot possibly be the ship AI of the Traveler's spaceship.

To prove this, allow me to set up a timeline of events, all of this is confirmed based on information found in the world quest.

First, Nibelung leaves Teyvat after creating the 3 moons.

Dragon pioneers begin to explore the Frost Moon, and eventually receive a signal from deep space, originally thought to be a message from Nibelung.

At some point later, Ungien recieves the signal again, and this time is able to locate its coordinates.

Ungien sets off in the Moongazer to try and find the signal source, not intending on returning.

The Moongazer returns, housing the fused Ungien with the Stellar Blackbody alien, which relays a warning about some darkness spreading across the cosmos (likely the Abyss).

Project Moongazer begins, led by Lusalim, who begins to research cloaking fields, so when they send a message out it doesn't expose them to whatever is out there.

Now, HP arrives, we know they arrived before Lusalim completed Project Moongazer, because he made a deal with them after their arrival to allow him to continue his project on the moon.

Nibelung returns and the War of Funerary Flame occurs, and during this Nibelung builds a massive weapon in the dark side of the Frost moon.

Since Lusalim's research base is located in said weapon, it's likely that the project was completed either during or after Nibelung's war.

Either way, the project is completed, and signals begin to get sent out at repeated intervals via the black Khuuhenki over and over again.

Finally, at some unknown time later, the Traveler recieves the message from Project Moongazer, with BOTH twins present at the time.

Ok, so now let me explain. The Traveler tells us that the Abyss Twin likely left the spaceship during their first, and only other, passby of Teyvat (thousands of years ago), meaning that after that, there would have only been 1 passenger on board the ship. When the Traveler recieves the Moongazer message, both twins are present to hear it, meaning this is BEFORE their first passby of Teyvat. In other words, the spaceship only made contact with Teyvat after the message was recieved, and thus after Project Moongazer's completion. From the timeline above, we know that the HP arrived before Project Moongazer was able to be fully complete, and thus the HP cannot have been the ship AI, as their ship would not have known about Teyvat's existence until after the project was completed.

The Heavenly Principles being an AI is still possible, of course, but they cannot logically be the ship AI of the Traveler's ship.

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u/Riley861 — 1 day ago

The Dark side of the Frost moon (6.7 World Quest Spoiler)

Let me preface this by saying that this is just purely a rabbit hole that I jumped into based on very limited knowledge and would be very happily proved wrong.

In Moongazer Columbina says: “The lunar core, the source of the moon's power, became artillery fire aimed at Teyvat.” but is that accurate?

As far as I’m aware, the frost moon seems to be tidally locked to Teyvat. My basis is the fact that when you skip time on the moon, you only see teyvat rotate and it never moves across the moon’s horizon. This means that the surface you see of the frost moon from Teyvat is always the same no matter where you are. This would then mean that because the Dark fortress and subsequently the Moon Weapon is located on the dark side of the moon it never faces Teyvat and is instead aimed outside of it.

Obviously there were initially three moons. The three celestial bodies probably affected how they orbited Teyvat and now that there’s only the frost moon that may have resulted in the frost moon becoming tidally locked. I’m not smart enough to know how the removal of two celestial bodies affects the third’s orbit of the planet but I would assume that they would influence each other.

We know Nibelung converted the three moons into weapons and that HP destroyed Iridescent and the eternal moon as a result and throwing the frost moon out. What if Iridescent and Eternal were actually aimed at Teyvat but frost was aimed outside of it which warranted HP destroying them and simply throwing the frost moon out instead of completely destroying it because it adds another layer of protection against the abyss considering it’s aimed away from Teyvat.

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u/NotValidOpinion — 23 hours ago

The contrast and simultaneous similarity between Tartaglia and Surtaloghi

They look like 2 lines going to one point, but when they cross this point, they diverge in the opposite direction, but then go back to one point.

The are both presented as characters obsessed with the idea of perfecting their combat skills.

They are both not interested in power. Only strength, only experience. For them, the battlefield is a training ground. The Abyss helped them become the best version of themselves (at least, in their opinion).

Surtalogi is seen as a disaster. Tartaglia as the source of any discord.

But while Surtalogi himself accepted the power of the Abyss, Tartaglia got into all of this not of his own free will, and it was precisely after the Abyss that he went off the rails.

Irmin and the Tsaritsa are rulers who pursue, let's say, questionable policies. They have both dissenters and followers.

Surtalogi is a dissenter, Tartaglia is a follower.

Surtalogi was one of the reasons for the fall of the kingdom. He betrayed Irmin. And Tartaglia is one of who sincerely supports the Tsaritsa's ideas. Read his stories and voice lines — he looks like her biggest fan.

Surtalogi is an orphan, the son of prisoners.

Tartaglia has a large, close-knit family. Yes, his father sent him to the Fatui, but their relationship remained good. His father still loves him. Tartaglia knows what family is.

They both have a connection with Skirk. But Surtalogi was her teacher, and Tartaglia is her student.

And they both want to meet Skirk. Both for the sake of battle, but Surtalogi is fleeing boredom, Tartaglia is in pursuit of experience.

Surtalogi’s teacher was Haden. If you remember, he was...not good person

Tartaglia's teacher is Skirk, who in her own harsh way cared about him.

Surtalogi long ago lost or did not accept a human form. Tartaglia use foul legacy only as a last resort.

All these details lead us either to a meeting between Tartaglia and Surtalogi, or to a situation where Tartaglia will be one step away from adopting his fate, becoming a sinner. The sweet whisper of the Abyss will elevate the desire for self-improvement to an absolute. But, naturally, he will not give in, and that is where the climax of this very contrast will lie. By acquiring such power, he will lose something precious to himself, because unlike Surtalogi, he has something to lose.

I'm sure Tartaglia and the Surtalogi will meet and fight in the future. And I think Tartaglia will be one step away from taking on the Surtalogi's Fate.

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u/Fantastic_Money3613 — 19 hours ago

Saarelainens' power must be draconic

We know that the 7 gnoses were made from the remains of the third descender.

We know that in the "Hymns of the far North" it is indicated that Saarelainen was carved into 7 piesces.

In Fontaine's Archon quest finale Neuvillette says: "...when The First Usurper arrived on Teyvat, they seized a part of the dragons' power. Today that stolen power is the basis of the Archons' Authoroties (the 7 gnoses)."

So according to that the 3rd descender=Saarelainen=the origin/holder of the dragons' power.

But how can a 3rd descender have dragons' power when the dragons were the original natives of Teyvat before humans? Generally descenders are defined as outsiders from the sea of stars with a will strong enough to rival the world. But how can an outsider then behold the power native to Teyvat (in speculation)?

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u/Genesis_Thesis — 1 day ago

Hoyo added sky shattered by Mavuika

In "The Eyes of Bni-Belum" you can see two cosmic nebulae. One is in the northwest, and the other is in the southwest. If you look at the first one through the camera, there's nothing strange about it, but if you look at the southwestern one, you can see... squares(?). I'll call them that.

northwest

southwest

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Note 1: if you look through the lens (the one we got in Inazuma) or don't use any devices at all, those squares are still there.

https://preview.redd.it/8nhzc1mbz8bh1.jpg?width=1044&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=209d6461d5c92dc8fcb53c9e77153f63f2679a98

https://preview.redd.it/65tyexlbz8bh1.jpg?width=1076&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=45ab3012799083c89052897937faa9a57eeff64e

Note 2: Probably the squares aren't visible in this photo because the image quality gets reduced when uploading, but i hope you see that.

Another interesting detail is that if you're in Teyvat at the Dunanna Forward Station and look in the direction where the remains of the Eternal Moon are visible in Natlan, it turns out that this direction also points southwest. But on the moon it's more southerly, and in Teyvat it's more westerly.

Extreme point of Natlan

Moon

Nod-Kari Dunanna Forward Station

I wouldn't say this is a strong argument, since Teyvat rotates. But I think this is an easter egg from the developers. Because if it's not, then why not place that nebula somewhere else?

P.s. It would be a bummer if it turns out that it's just my phone falling apart. Could players with powerful devices confirm or refute my words?

>UPDATE: I read the comments, and it seems the problem is with my phone..... I will eat my tinfoil hat. I really do play on far from the highest settings because I don't want my phone to cosplay as present Irminsul. However, it remains a mystery to me why out of ALL the places in the game (I literally spent about an hour and a half running around with the camera in different locations to check this) this particular nebula is the one that doesn't load (?) properly.

But if anyone has the opportunity to send me more photos, I will be very grateful to you

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u/Fantastic_Money3613 — 1 day ago

History lesson on Sumeru Part 14 (doing the unaddressed characters and inspirations before the other cities)

>Part 1: Goudarz and Muzaffar → Philip the Arab/Shapur I/Trajan Decius etc...

>Part 2: Liloupar and Ormazd → Samuel/David/Ninus etc...

>Part 3: Zumurud → Ozymandias

>Part 4: Makhaira → Cleopatra

>Part 5: King Deshret → King Solomon/Amun-Ra/YHWH

>Part 6: Nabu Malikata → Nabu/Queen of Sheba/Tanit etc...

>Part 7: Rukkhadevata → Rukkhadevata/Saraswati/Aranyani

>Part 8: Seven Pillars of King Deshret → Heryshaf/Thoth/Sobek etc...

>Part 9: Parvezravan and Shirin → Khosrow II/Shirin/Al-Mu'tasim etc...

>Part 10: Shiruyeh/Kavusbay/Shah Ramshahr → Kavad II/Cyrus the Great/Al-Muqanna etc...

>Part 11: Turan Khagan/Artaxir/Makani Khagan/Humayun Gurkan/Garshāsp Khagan → Tur/Ardashir III/Artaxerxes IV etc...

>Part 12: Badanah/Muzzudin/Hanzada Sultan/Old Blind Poet/Faramarz/Xiphos → Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad/Muhammad Ghori/Hanzade Sultan etc...

>Part 13: Gurabad → Gur/Nineveh/Babylon etc...

Romulus and Remus

Lemuria

Remoria

Sebastos

Bifrons

Ašmu-nikal

Farangis

Nitocris of Babylon

Onnes

Cyaxares

Video: Romulus and Remus - The Story of the Founding of Rome

(If you don't see a link for something in the infographic, its most definitely in one of the previous parts.)

Honestly I'm just surprised that there isn't any Dido or Zenobia equivalent, the latter more so since it would be would be cool to get Odaenathus.

Zenobia would be strange in a sense (especially because of her idolization of Cleopatra), since there's no major female rulers mentioned after Makhaira, which means a Zenobia equivalent would have lived before her but maybe we just don't have any known records, hopefully.

Its not like Hoyo would be 100% faithful to this anyway but it could be a funny tidbit.

u/Kavat_ — 1 day ago

The mechanism changing the memories of Teyvat and "Fate" system

I just read some texts on the Moon and found out that the techniques that The Dragon researching could also be the foundation of the changing memories mechanism . Some might missed it because of translation ( but the texts really show the parallel of state of Teyvat now and the recorder prediction )

You can read the description at here

Here is the idea of Lusalim about hiding Teyvat from outside threat , the \"egg shell\" sound familiar right ?

https://preview.redd.it/2dvfz6fs28bh1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=a99d0be363361a28e51db117558fbd91f58e157c

and these are the experiments of the recoder Ia-Illimmu

You can notice that this technique is similar with what the changing perception of the "Fate" system
, like 1 on 1 but in larger scale . HP could do that by remade the Irminsul for this purpose since the tree and leylines take root in every corner of Teyvat . Literally the same as the conclusion of the recorder .

Also I don't know if it's because of translation or not but the OG Chinese quotes the "natural order" and the EN did not. That "Natural Order" in CN was "Reason" (Which is what HP refered to ) and it's also repeat in later sentences but was translate to "foundational laws" which could be a clear hint that it was relate to HP stole it

The OG Chinese texts

Here is my languages , that's why I'm noticing it since Vietnamese kinda easier and could be more accurate when translated from Chinese

This also make me wonder when Nahida transfer data from Irminsul to Aaru , Would this mechanism also transfer there too ? Since you know , Teyvat people still not entirely(?) know about the true history hidden by the HP. Or it could just simply is because it affect Teyvat too long so it takes times to reveal the true history ?

What do you guys think ? Sorry, English isn't my 1st languages so maybe I could say something confuse or grammatically wrong ^^

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u/Worldly_Jicama_2893 — 1 day ago

For the first time in six years, Night Mother, a character from the "Pale Princess and Six Pygmies," is mentioned on Frost Moon after six years.🎉🎉

I specifically translated from Chinese; this is not a translation error. In book and in "Chanson of the boatman" in the Golden Hall, the same hieroglyphs are used to write these words.

Not to be confused with Lord of the Night (夜神) from Natlan

https://preview.redd.it/4cn8pzdai3bh1.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7fb4f3f9e534fc495992784cfebd645baccf965d

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So, Mother Night IS NOT Phanes..? I can't understand who this address is directed to, because in the book the Mother is presented as a negative character (even if we base it solely on the first official volume), so this is clearly not one of the Moon Goddesses. Also, a certain daughter is mentioned here. Honestly, I have no idea what this could be.

Also, it has been confirmed once again that Frost Moon previously served as something like an afterlife during the period of Nibulung's absence, when the Moon and Shadow were still on good terms. We learned about this back in the previous update in the temple of space.

https://preview.redd.it/ai4nl7a7x3bh1.jpg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38028b127964fbb6e185e51357b0ce6a00672e9b

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From the above, an interesting fact follows: HP transformed Irminsul and "build" ley lines into a recording device even before the War of Funerary Flame.

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u/Fantastic_Money3613 — 2 days ago

Based on the 6.7 quest the range Columbina and the light realm has might be even larger than previous thought

For context, during the quest they were worried that sending a signal into deep space could be dangerous. Columbina said she could use her power to shield the message even after it left the false sky.

The false sky is potentially the size of a star system, mind you. She also said she could use her power to monitor the nearby area outside the false sky for any danger.

While she admits she has limits, she also says she can keep the message going far enough that anyone who discovers it wouldn’t be able to trace it back to the false sky and by virtue Teyvat.

I also don’t know where the idea that the Light Realm was limited to Teyvat came from.

Nibelung used the power of the Light Realm to create Teyvat’s sun and moon, implying that the Light Realm is not limited to Teyvat and can create objects and place them thousands of miles away from the world itself.

During Version 6, Columbina was even prepared to live on the Frost Moon, which was outside the false sky.

Nibelung left Teyvat to investigate the Abyss. Unless you believe he manually flew through the universe at massively faster-than-light

speeds, he should have retained some method of interstellar travel through keeping his powers.

In the same Moon quest, it is stated that one of the researchers on the moon used a spaceship to travel to the coordinates where the message originated,

which was light-years away. However, they would not have enough fuel to return.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t all dragon technology powered by the Light Realm? That would mean a ship powered by the Light Realm could leave Teyvat and travel multiple light-years away.

In fact, let me add another range upscale.

According to the new quest, the moon is thousands of miles away from Teyvat.

I personally assume the false sky is the size of a star system or larger.

If that’s true, then the Heavenly Principles used their power to fling a moon-sized object from Teyvat to a location outside the false sky, aka beyond the boundaries of an entire star system.

According to the quest, the Frost Moon, despite being outside Teyvat, was completely uncorrupted by the Abyss.

Columbina theorizes that this is either because the Abyss was not paying attention or because the Heavenly Principles did something to protect it.

From a lore perspective, the latter seems more likely because the game states that the Abyss is always watching Teyvat.

There is also a belief, based on some Version 6.7 text, that the Heavenly Principles used their authority to alter the logic of the entire universe in order to hide Teyvat/the false sky and its surrounding areas.

The fact that the Frost Moon remained completely untouched by the Abyss despite being outside the false sky may provide more evidence for that interpretation.

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u/Apart_Suggestion5925 — 4 days ago

When We Look Up at the Moon, Dragons and Moon Megathread

The moon before my eyes is the moon above, and the figure upon it is the one I hold dear. I look up, as if to meet the moon, only to wonder whether my beloved sees me there.

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Area, Frost Moon

Long before the children of humanity were born from the cradle of the sky, three silver lights had already risen above the earth. The ancient spirits of the frostbound reaches called them \"Dilimbabbar.\" By them, the waxing and waning of light were first distinguished, spring and autumn were set into order, and the passage of years slowly came to be. Yet now, as time flows ever onward, only one of those three silver lights remains.

  • Mystery Pit of the Misty Isle - Traces of a bygone civilization linger on this deserted, mist-shrouded island.
  • Moonbound Ship - The Tonatiuh quivers, and the heavenly ship sets sail for the moon.
  • The Fallen Moongazer - The shattered space station and spaceship wreckage tell of the tragedy that once befell this place.

Dark Side of the Moon

^(Notes)

  • The existence of this base stems from the will of the "Lord of Darkness." Its construction dates to a much later time than any of the other facilities— Paimon "The Lord of Darkness Who Returned From the Sea of Stars" It's probably the returning dragon king, Nibelung. First, the Heavenly Principles arrived, then the dragon king, and now us! Ad astra abyssosque, as they say. 
  • Its bottom-most levels lead to the moon's core, into which a fissure has been carved. An endless stream of ancient moon energy surges from the fissure — it's what powers this base. Its purpose was to turn the moon into a space-based weapon. This place is the masterpiece of that Dragon Lord of Darkness. He reforged the moon into a terrifying weapon. The lunar core, the source of the moon's power, became artillery fire aimed at Teyvat. However, that primordial ruler ultimately met defeat at the hands of the Heavenly Principles.
  • "Warden of the Flame, Sebu-Nis-Ili-Rabuti-Lu-Tamati" - The last ninnline of defense before the moon's core. It appears that the only thing that affects it is Archaeolune Energy. You might be able to use Archaeolune Ripples to destroy it.
  • Viewpoint: The Dark Fortress - From amid the starry firmament returns the Dragon Lord of Darkness, come to shatter the throne of the winged usurper. 👑
  • Viewpoint: Moonheart Gap - The moon maiden lifted a corner of the veil that led to the moon's core, and through it flowed the great power of creation to the scholars who yearned for it.
  • Viewpoint: Heart of the Moon - The moon's heart pulses without end, and from it flow milk-springs of nurture, gathering into a sea for the newly born.

Lunar Highlands

Viewpoint: Silent Barrens - Upon the Lunar Highlands, ruins from time immemorial stand in solemn silence.

Moontide Sea

Small quest

Beings

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Precursor's Secret Source Matrix of Overseer Network

An ancient machine trapped amongst the lunar ruins. Even the sturdiest and most reliable machines will be conquered by the passing of long years, losing the purpose bestowed upon them by their creators. Now, this entity only attacks and eliminates anything that dares set foot on the ground it defends.

In the records of a long-lost ancient civilization, these out-of-control machines were once called "Ur-Namrasit-Tilimtu-Babbar," or "the one who brings light to the darkness." With a yearning for the boundless sea of stars, the leaders of the "pioneers" engraved their most earnest words in golden sigils, hoping that their successors, with the help of these assistants, would be able to keep the light that illuminates the universe shining bright. Alas, the light did not arise for anyone, and the machine that was given the title of "overseer" did not manage to wait for the one it should have served. Now, stranded in these ruins, it is but the last, out-of-control remnant of a long-lost ideal.

  • Drop: Unblemished Lunar Iron - It was untouched by earthly impurity, eternal and free from the seven calamities and eight sufferings, and it once longed to sing out into the endless void. Yet when every calculation reached its end, all that remained in the lunar palace was useless, cold iron.
  • Drop: Depleted Lunar Iron - Lost folktales from many lands tell of heroes who forged the “divine iron” granted by the Welkin Moon into indestructible weapons, then used them to defeat fearsome foes and monsters. But the metal that fell from the Welkin Moon was no divine blessing — even the gods who once resided upon the moon had long since fallen.
  • Drop: Fractured Lunar Iron - A fragment taken from within a defeated ancient machine that had wandered the lunar surface. It seems unlike the metals commonly found in Teyvat. Lost folktales from many lands tell of heroes who forged the “divine iron” granted by the Welkin Moon into indestructible weapons, then used them to defeat fearsome foes and monsters.

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Moon Gazing Quest

Long before the children of humanity were born from the cradle of the sky, three silver lights had already risen above the earth. The ancient spirits of the frostbound reaches called them \"Dilimbabbar.\" By them, the waxing and waning of light were first distinguished, spring and autumn were set into order, and the passage of years slowly came to be. Yet now, as time flows ever onward, only one of those three silver lights remains. 

Interactables

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Project Moongazer

You must be wondering what Project Moongazer is. In truth, our whole journey so far has been a part of it. The Eye of Ibni-Belum. Ungien's Circle. The Space Lifeform Capture Station. Lusalim's Lunar Veil Laboratory. And the origin of the moon's life and the seat of its will — its core. 

ESTIMATED TIMELINE OF EVENTS

  • The dragon pioneer Ibni-Belum [The first Moongazer] led dragon researchers to the moon. One day while in the circumlunar zone, he received a mysterious signal from deep space. The pioneer believed it was a message sent back by their king who had journeyed out into the sea of stars Nibelung. The researchers could not enter deep space so they built the Eye of Ibni-Belum, a deep-space signal transceiver station to recapture that signal. Many years went by but the signal never appeared again. Ibni-Belum died while waiting, but prior to his passing, a Celestial body/star was spotted.
    • Records Left in the Terminal - Observations of the intermittently visible celestial body indicate a tenuous atmosphere on its surface. No signs of life activity have been detected so far, though parts of its surface structures do not appear to be naturally formed. Although I have expelled the oath-breaker Ungien from the team, his lunar biosphere work and nearby test sites may still be useful for landing on that star... but let's not dwell on him. May the Creator be forever crowned with supreme glory. We shall journey toward the stars, as we once gazed upon the moon from the earth.
  • His students gave up years later and they renovated the Eye into a lunar surface monitoring station to make it easier for them to conduct more practical lunar research. One day the signal returned. Ungien boarded the ship Moongazer and set out for the coordinates of the second transmission. He came in contact with a a data-based lifeform, Black Stellar Matter, and fused with it to overcome their language barrier. This allowed Ungien to decipher "the final message that our guest's civilization sent out into the stars."
  • Years later, the Space Lifeform Capture Station was suddenly rammed a cloaked spaceship, the Moongazer. After delivering the message, Ungien began to die. ["A single ray of light is feeble, easily swallowed by the darkness, but as long as another light shines out before it can fade...Then one day, there will surely come a ray of light that pierces the night like the dawn."] Project Moongazer was created to send this kind of message back out into the universe. Calling out into unknown space is not necessarily safe. The dragon researchers realized this, which is why they began work on the Lunar Veil.
  • Maagees, being an expert in life sciences, used an experimental technique on Ungien that converted him into a lifeform composed of pure ancient moon energy. She saved his body and created Ungie, the first artificially-birthed kuuhenki on the moon, but his consciousness was completely lost during this process.
    • Ia-Ilimmu Storage Array Index: I - ...She yearns to reclaim a life from yesterday, yet the result of her realization is the genesis of a life for tomorrow... For her, what could be more ironic?
  • From then on, she devoted all her energy to researching this new lifeform and uncovered the nature of the astral visitor, a data-based lifeform [Greenhouse Research Log]. Her research was the foundation upon which the kuuhenki in Project Moongazer were born. 
  • Lusalim was a student of Ungein and Maages. Lusalim and Maages worked on Project Lunar Veil, which was a crucial component of Project Moongazer. Lusalim's Lunar Veil Laboratory was part of a grand project meant to hide the moon. He successfully experimented with a miniature Lunar Veil by applying it to Ungien's Circle. The success of the miniature Veil pushed the project on to the next phase [Phase 2]. A massive Veil generator was built in the lab, one that could conceal the entire moon.
    • Records Regarding "Project Lunar Veil: Phase I Researcher Nuur suggested that we conduct project trials on a larger scale within the biosphere. I had thought he took no interest in anything other than stones and the dead. Still, Professor Maagees agreed, so we proceeded with it. When she asked me for a project name, I suggested "Project Lunar Veil" — a veil that could obscure the moon. It was a fitting name. But no one would ever guess that it actually came from Ninnin. It is truly astonishing. When we were testing the "Curtain-Form Blackbody Containment," Ninnin could barely even speak. Yet when the indistinct words "Lunar Veil" tumbled from her lips, it was as though those innocent eyes had already understood what we were doing. It felt as if she, too, had come for this very purpose. Perhaps in the future, she would become a remarkable researcher in her own right.
  • When Maages, lifespan came to an end she requested that her student Lusalim use the same technique on her, ultimately being converted into a new lifeform. Just as with Ungien, her consciousness was not preserved.  One single transmission was sent out as Maages was dying as it was her final wish.
    • Records Regarding "Project Lunar Veil: Phase II - Professor Maagees's condition continues to decline. The incident inflicted severe psychological trauma, leaving her mental state increasingly unstable. Her ongoing work is rapidly depleting her vitality, and she no longer has the luxury of time. The research team from the Eye of Ibni-Belum carried out a signal transmission for this purpose. I could neither bring myself to, nor truly had the right to, stop Professor Maagees's final wish — even if that wish did not truly come from her. I remain deeply uneasy about this transmission. The only thing left for me to do is pray to our King who ventured into the depths of the stars, and hope that this transmission does not invite evil or disaster. Next, I had to finish the full-scale Veil immediately, even though it required an energy supply several orders of magnitude greater than Phase I, I didn't know if the Moon Goddesses were willing to shed their mercy upon me, but they were the only ones I had left to turn to...
    • Records Left in the Terminal - This is something I have to do myself, for it is what Professor Maagees wants. The experience I gain from the operation will be vital to the upcoming Project Moongazer, particularly to the work of creating life itself. This is also in line with King Xiuhcoatl's wise counsel. For so long, I believed her insistence on sending that message was simply grief turned into obsession, the fixation of a human being [?] who had lost the one she loved.
    • Speculation: This single message may have been sent before the first war with the Heavenly Principles as Ia-Ilimmu Storage Array Index: III seems to be during the Old World era: I am so deeply restless, and my recording duties have suffered terribly because of it. Lusalim says that the word has reached King Apep, and she has already sent her finest physicians, but what is the point? If even the three Moon Sisters left behind by Father Nibelung cannot reverse the erosion of the soul itself, what could the Lord of Dendro possibly do. To take my mind off from this sorrow, I went to ask around about Lusalim's Project Moonveil. It turns out his design is as conventionally uninspired as ever. He honestly think hiding our world under a false veil will keep the Dark Destroyer from noticing us? It is utterly idiotic. Under King Xiuhcoatl's rule, even a three-year-old dragonling — once dipped in phlogiston — knows that this kind of self-delusion does nothing more than buy a little time before the inevitable doom arrives.
  • Lusalim inherited the message the creature from space transmitted to the dragons. Before the Veil could take shape an entity from beyond the stars pierced it. The device went haywire, the laboratory exploded, and all came to nothing. No one anticipated the entity's [HP's] arrival, but it changed everything. Lusalim had designed the Lunar Veil as a crucial part of Project Moongazer but it had to be suspended. Lusalim didn't perish; his research survived by striking a bargain using the fruits of his research and he followed the ruler of the heavens thereafter. 
  • HP eventually uses this research to create the false veil for Teyvat.
  • Lusalim left Project Moongazer for Ninnin to complete.
    • Records Left in the Terminal - Ninnin, you did not come into this world the way we did. You are a true child of the stars. That is why I now entrust Project Moongazer, now only one step away from completion, to you. And that final step is — life, information, and memory must be given a way to be inherited and to circulate. The power of the moon's origin, granted to us by the Moon Goddess, is enough to make this possible. I will not see the project completed, for I have sinned against dragonkind. I capitulated to that terrifying sovereign who was not of this world, and surrendered the precious results of our research. I do not intend to escape judgment. But you know very well why I made that choice. You know what it was for, I had my own mission to fulfill. Now, I believe in you more than anyone. I believe you can finish walking the rest of the road none of us could. From now on, everything that follows, I place in your hands.
  • All the researchers who once explored the starry sky had their data merged into the Lunar Sea. By the will of the moon, they were reborn at some point in the future in forms akin to Eggie's. They instinctively consume each other to acquire more data until the mission becomes clear in their minds. Then they will walk the path [journey] once more, come to the Eye of Ibni-Belum, and learn everything. They will use themselves as keys to open the Moongazer module in the Eye of Ibni-Belum, and resend the message out into the universe. Then, they will return to the cycle of life. 
  • In Ninnin's era, the world already teetered on the brink of destruction due to the conflict between two supreme beings. [This is likely the War of Funerary Flame] Eggie: My predecessors have long since sent our voices out into the stars. Those voices, so filled with courage, must have traveled to the farthest reaches of the starry skies by now. As long as those voices endure, silence cannot reign across the universe, and that is enough.

It's time to say goodbye. Go complete your mission. And lastly... I salute you, and all your fellow Moongazers [Starry sky].

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Travelers Spaceship and Reply

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  • Viewpoint: "The Next Journey" - "May that night arrive beneath clear skies... with friends reunited."

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Moon Sisters

Golden Hall, "...Come forth... O child untainted...O stainless one, ride the silver shining ship and come back to Mother..."

  • Interactable: Chanson of the Boatman - I am Euthyphro, hailing from Arcadia, the eternal holy city. O Mother of the silver shuttle, the ever-blessed goddess Prusmene, by thy grace, I take up this meager quill to chronicle the night's final splendor. I beseech thee: grant me once more the hallowed gift of inspiration; preserve thy devout believer, lest my soul descend beneath the silver tree, to be sullied by the dust. O wise and radiant queen, bringer of the light! I beseech thee: deliver thus thy devout believer; That my mortal frame may find eternal rest within thy holy embrace. O wondrous Prusmene — ancient mother of the night and daughter who brings the light, mistress of the Golden Hall! [...] For there sits the eternal throne in the heavens, the Primordial One, O world-shaking lord! It forgeth the bones of the earth. It biddeth all dreams return to the earth, and all dreamless things to return to the earth.It seeketh to shroud the dreams of man with its own dream, that we, the mortals of this fleeting world, shall abide an age without beginning or end, passing through a life of tranquil, dreamless rest. O wise and radiant queen, bringer of the light, deliver me from the hands of my dread master! For thee, I have ushered the unsullied souls. For thee, I have steered the great and silver-shimmering vessel. I beseech thee: deliver thus thy devout believer, that my mortal frame may find eternal rest within thy holy embrace!
  • Viewpoint: The Boatman's Song-House - "O world-shaking lord! It forges the bones of the earth. It bids all dreams return to the earth, and all dreamless things to return to the earth."

https://reddit.com/link/1uk9msv/video/sy221x33pmah1/player

[This is at Bubble Pool, not Golden Hall]

  • Canon: Ah, Aria. It seems you've already chosen a "human" form for yourself as well.
  • Aria: That said, I didn't expect that you would proactively create such a form for those lovely little beings.
  • Canon: It is only natural, Aria. Those fragile lives trust me and call out to me, so I shall respond to their voices. We were born to preserve the world. If the beings known as "humans" are willing to settle it, listening to their pleas also fulfills the mission our King bestowed upon us...
  • Aria: Yes. After all, he did say that all life across the sea of stars are allies. They fight alongside us against the darkness. But I wasn't talking about that. I mean, I didn't expect you, the "Frost Moon," to have such a sentimental side. It's very cute.
  • Sonnet: Sisters, now that we've shaped bodies for ourselves, shouldn't the first thing we do be sneaking out to have some fun with the people on the surface? Otherwise, we'll have made them for nothing! Hurry, before anyone discovers us—
  • Aria: Why, I remember that when they first started building their civilization on the surface, you even said, "That outsider is bad news, and naturally, its creations are the same." You wouldn't even spare them a glance.
  • Sonnet: I still think you two shouldn't have let that outsider in, but the people on the surface..."
  • Canon: That Descender's servant [Istaroth] said they had matters to discuss with me about this world's gravitational potential and metric tensor {laws of time} — Aria: perhaps it's just my imagination, but I have a certain... feeling about how she views that Descender.

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Call Out

Tutorial: "Dragons and serpents were once one and the same..."

A wondrous repair tool created by the ancient dragons. Restore now-ruined devices by manipulating the Secret Source Dragon Idol on the screen to collect data fragments. However, the repair might fail if you come in contact with an obstacle...

Title is very similar to the following:

  • The Serpent and Drakes of Tokoyokoku - "The origin of heaven and earth is like the chicken and egg, and are not dragons and snakes kin?" No sooner had the sage Aberaku uttered these words than he was overthrown by troops lying in ambush.

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View some of the subreddits resources below:

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u/GenshinLoreModBOT — 5 days ago

Confirming descender definition

Posting to confirm i understand haha.

Despite both being outworld species and coming and residing on Teyvat, neither are descneders right? As Seutervoinen (Koitars spouse) is listed to come from 'the sea of stars' (like Skirk).

Saarelainen (despite being natively from teyvat) is listed as a descender right? because Nibelung is also listed as a descender, and teyvat is also his homeland. Descender doesnt mean they foreignly entered the planet (in the context of genshin terms), right? Just that their will was big enough to change fate?

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u/SatisfactionNice653 — 4 days ago

I spent 9 hours studying this subreddit and the GI Wiki for a paper - here are my findings!

Hello everyone! First off:

AI disclaimer: I used AI (Claude) in the process of writing my research paper. It was used only as a tool to help, and NOT to write/generate.

Hi guys! For my ENC 1102 college writing course, I conducted a qualitative study on lore hunters in the Genshin community, specifically how this subreddit (r/Genshin_Lore) and the GI Wiki work together to piece together the game’s story outside of the game itself.

I spent around 9 hrs collecting data across both platforms. It was mostly analyzing Reddit posts and Wiki pages to understand how the community builds and shares lore knowledge collaboratively.

Some things I found interesting:

  • Both platforms have their own standards for credibility. Reddit debates ideas through upvotes, citations, and community feedback, while the Wiki relies on edit patterns, standardized disclaimers about canon vs. speculation, and version-tracked changes
  • The community celebrates good theorycrafting (hooray)! For example, the words “they cooked” is basically like a quality stamp :D
  • One of my Reddit examples was a Celestia theory post that got proven right by later game content, which I used as an example of how lore speculation functions as collaborative storytelling
  • We the fans connect info across platforms and even across games (hello HI3 lore connections)

I primarily drew inspo from Paul A. Thomas’ ethnographic study on this very subreddit, so shoutout to that paper for basically being the reason this study exists.

The reason I’m sharing this is mostly because I’m proud of it despite the chaos of finishing it mid-burnout, and I’d genuinely love to hear what this community thinks! Whether that’s about the findings, things I might’ve missed, or just your own experiences as lore hunters. Please be kind though, this was primarily a class assignment and I’m just one person with hours of data 😅

TLDR: I expected you to actually read this post in its entirely bc it’s my first time typing up a post this long, but fine! Here’s the summary of my research summary >:(

I wrote a research paper studying how this subreddit and the GI Wiki collaborate to build lore knowledge. Here are my main findings. Would love (or not?) your thoughts! :D

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u/Nxbgamergurl — 4 days ago

History lesson on Sumeru Part 13

>Part 1: Goudarz and Muzaffar → Philip the Arab/Shapur I/Trajan Decius etc...

>Part 2: Liloupar and Ormazd → Samuel/David/Ninus etc...

>Part 3: Zumurud → Ozymandias

>Part 4: Makhaira → Cleopatra

>Part 5: King Deshret → King Solomon/Amun-Ra/YHWH

>Part 6: Nabu Malikata → Nabu/Queen of Sheba/Tanit etc...

>Part 7: Rukkhadevata → Rukkhadevata/Saraswati/Aranyani

>Part 8: Seven Pillars of King Deshret → Heryshaf/Thoth/Sobek etc...

>Part 9: Parvezravan and Shirin → Khosrow II/Shirin/Al-Mu'tasim etc...

>Part 10: Shiruyeh/Kavusbay/Shah Ramshahr → Kavad II/Cyrus the Great/Al-Muqanna etc...

>Part 11: Turan Khagan/Artaxir/Makani Khagan/Humayun Gurkan/Garshāsp Khagan → Tur/Ardashir III/Artaxerxes IV etc...

>Part 12: Badanah/Muzzudin/Hanzada Sultan/Old Blind Poet/Faramarz/Xiphos → Ghiyath al-Din Muhammad/Muhammad Ghori/Hanzade Sultan etc...

Gor

Ctesiphon

Jerusalem

Nineveh

Babylon

Baghdad

The Nameless City

Slavery in the Abbasid Caliphate

Khurramites

Wiki: Book of Isaiah

"And Babylon, the glory of the kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldeans' pride, will be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah. It will never be inhabited, nor will it be settled from generation to generation; nor will the Arabian pitch tents there, nor will the shepherds make their sheepfolds there”

(Isaiah 13:17-20)

Wiki: Book of Nahum

"Woe to the city of blood, full of lies, full of plunder, never without victims!"

Nahum 3:1 (NIV)

Iram of the Pillars

Video: Book of Nahum Summary: A Complete Animated Overview

There are things missing obviously, for exemple, Gurabad is titled the "City of Brass", which could be a reference to either the Daevabad Trilogy by S.A. Chakraborty, or the 1001 Nights story named City of Brass.

Also, the inspirations depends on which time period in Sumeru's history we're talking about, in this post it's just the original, sadly i did not talk much about Gurabad under Badanah, Makhaira, Faramarz, and its a mess. Though, it can be guessed in the parts where I talk about those characters, same for Gurabad under Garshasp.

Didn't include a Antioch link because its already in the first part.

Next will be Tulaytullah, Saleh, Ay-Khanoum, and probably Tighnar.

u/Kavat_ — 5 days ago

Nibelung Study Guide

This Study Guide aims to provide a general overview regarding Nibelungs lore. The Genshin Impact Fandom Wiki has a dedicated page for Nibelung which includes a helpful summary & also has references. Related links are below:

Before Phanes and the Four Shades, there was Nibelung. The original master of Teyvat which first belonged to dragonkind.

  • Artifact: Deep Gallery's Distant Pact - Until a faint glimmer pierced her awareness, jolting the voyager from tenfold millennia of meditation. It came from an unremarkable little world at the edge of the spiral arm— & from the primeval dragon that had been born alongside that world.
  • BookHymns of the Far North -Takoja Ianikuinen, the Primeval Blacksmith - You are the king spoken of yet unspeakable, O bloodthirsty, murderous blacksmith, You are the master of misfortune, the lord of all evil, obsessed with the unjust deaths of the innocent and the ruinous fires of war. O terrible and mighty Eternal Workman, lord of two natures, So strong, hale, and heroic as the gods themselves. Even the stars look upon you in awe. O indestructible Lord, please quiet this earth-shaking wrath. Lift the torment that occupies my heart and cast out this pitch-black disaster.
  • Moon Sisters: Bubble Pool- After all, he did say that all life across the sea of stars are allies. They fight alongside us against the darkness.

Creator/Genesis

  • WeaponFractured Halo - The reaver from beyond the skies replaced the primordial creator, & gained possession of the vows upon which the three [moons] caused the world to turn.
  • BookHymns of the Far North O great father of genesis, forger of the earth's bones and the tripled moons, let your wrath right that askew throne so that the beauty may submit.

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Mentions of Nibelungs Will

  • Artifact: Deep Gallery's Distant Pact - Though death would one day bring an endless night, & the sun it gazed upon was but a fleeting ember, this will, bound though it was to its planetary crust, shone more brilliantly than all the civilizations the voyager had ever seen.
  • Artifact: Deep Gallery's Distant Pact - "I have seen the lightless end, tearing through star clusters like a spindle among silken threads. I have seen how the cold tide of chaos drowns out all songs, so that good and evil alike vanish into silence. And yet, my kind, gentle king, will you still refuse to abandon your people? Forsake this world, fated for ruin, and journey with me beyond the stars." [...] "If the tide of oblivion must come, then let my bones be the bulwark that shields this realmBear witness to the path I have chosen, for I shall lead my people onward to the stars."
  • SQ: What Shape Does the Self Hold - By the time the Dragon King finally returned, the world had irrevocably changed.  For methe scales & will of the Dragon King still shine bright in my heart even to this day.
  • AQ: The First Sliver of Moonlight The [Moon Goddesses] were shadows of the planet, born to wield Nibelung's authority and oversee the world on his behalf. They were extensions of his will, manifestations of his majesty.
  • ArtifactMoonlit Offering's Final Hour - Faced with this uninvited guest, the three guardians who represented the will of the planet debated endlessly.

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Old World

  • AQ: Darkness Looming - Irminsul has existed in Teyvat since the very beginning. But during the age of the dragons, it did not possess the significance it holds today

Fundamental Laws

  • [SPECULATION] SQ: What Shape Does the Self Hold - In war, the victor would inherit the right to shape the world, while the losers must turn into ash.
  • AQ: A Nocturne of the Far North - Eons ago, before the Heavenly Principles came to Teyvatit was the then-three Moon Goddesses who controlled the laws of this world— Life, "Death," & such. The three goddesses split these powers amongst themselves, promising never to consolidate them into one singular body. This was meant to keep the world stable & prevent the "Trilunar Syzygy" which has a noticeable effect on Teyvat's borders.
  • Interactable: Ia-Ilimmu Storage Array Index: III- If even the Three Moons Sisters left behind by Father Nibelung cannot reverse the erosion of the soul itself, what could the Lord of Dendro possibly do...

Light Realm

  • Loading Screen Note: Light Realm: Also known as the realm of the elements. Though, much like mother nature, this realm has fallen under the dominion of humanity, it will still lend humans its aid against the encroaching void.
  • Event: Three Realms Gateway Offering - In Enkanomiya, the Ley Lines of the Human Realm, the elemental currents of the Light Realm, & the dark currents of the Void Realm are all exceptionally strong. The Vishap [Light] Realm is the realm of pure, primordial elemental beings. It's referred to as the Light Realm in most books.
  • WQ: The Three Great Martial Trials - The Holy Soil phenomenon is, in fact, the expansion of their habitat. That means that the primordial elemental [Light] power of the three realms is growing stronger. Only by using Watatsumi Omikami's life force to awaken its second servant could we convert this raw, raging elemental power.
  • AQ: Beneath the Secret Source -  Phlogiston is Teyvat's primordial form of energy. The Heavenly Principles used phlogiston as a basis for the creation of Elemental energy to develop a power to better counter the Abyss. Light refracts into seven different colors, which we collectively refer to as a rainbow. Elemental energy is a similar concept. It's essentially the modern counterpart of Phlogiston.
  • WQAn Omen of Annihilation and the Final Entreaty - In an earlier eon, the phlogiston-rich soils that sustained Natlan were regarded by the heavenly reaver [HP] as a form of so-called "Holy Soil" phenomenon. They cast sky-nails down to destroy the land.

Upside Down Triquetra, Examples

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Sea of Stars

After receiving a warning from the voyager, Nibelung eventually leaves Teyvat to look for a way to save his world. He creates three moons to govern in his stead.

  • ArtifactMoonlit Offering's Final Hour - To find the answer before this planet was also consumed, the great dragon embarked upon an arduous quest alone. He raised three bright moons from the ground & bound this tiny world tightly with the chains of the tides.
  • Teaser: Nod-Krai Concept Overview - In the age when the seven lights of the firmament had not yet shone upon the landthe now-nameless ruler raised the heavenly moons to govern the cyclical tides of the world in their stead.
  • Moon Sisters: Bubble Pool- Those fragile lives trust me and call out to me, so I shall respond to their voices. We were born to preserve the world.
  • BookHymns of the Far North, Vol. 2 - On the first day, you forged a golden bow with lunar gleam, a weapon meant to strike down your foes. On the second day, you forged a great chariot, its moonlit glimmer meant to guard your home. On the third day, you forged a shuttle of moonlight, your heart set on the daughter of the stars.

Project Moongazer/Lunar Veil, When We Look Up at the Moon, Dragons and Moon Megathread

  • Moongazer's Engraving (II) <- Message dragons received from deep space.
  • Records Left in the Terminal - Observations of the intermittently visible celestial body indicate a tenuous atmosphere on its surface. No signs of life activity have been detected so far, though parts of its surface structures do not appear to be naturally formed. Although I have expelled the oath-breaker Ungien from the team, his lunar biosphere work and nearby test sites may still be useful for landing on that star... May the Creator be forever crowned with supreme glory. We shall journey toward the stars, as we once gazed upon the moon from the earth.
  • Interactable: System Log - Non-Public Access Level - ...He honestly think hiding our world under a false veil will keep the Dark Destroyer from noticing us? It is utterly idiotic. Under King Xiuhcoatl's rule, even a three-year-old dragonling — once dipped in phlogiston — knows that this kind of self-delusion does nothing more than buy a little time before the inevitable doom arrives. And how long can it even last? Tens of thousands of years? Hundreds of thousands? On a cosmic scale, what's the difference? This isn't how you save a civilization. It's like hiding a hatchling inside an eggshell. In the end, it either gets sniffed out by a predator or suffocates in its own shell. Do they honestly believe this is some flawless, long-term solution?
  • WQ: Visitors From The Stars - The success of the miniature Lunar Veil pushed the project on to the next phase. A massive Veil generator was built here; one that could conceal the entire moon, but the moon isn't hidden right now because before the Veil could take shape an entity from beyond the stars pierced it. The device went haywire, the laboratory exploded, and all came to nothing. No one anticipated the great ruler of the firmaments arrival, but it changed everything. Lusalim had designed the Lunar Veil as a crucial part of Project Moongazer but it had to be suspended. Lusalim didn't perish and his research survived.

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Usurpation

  • BookHymns of the Far North, Vol. 2 - Yet while you hunted, your bow was stolen, and now your enemy brandishes it as their own. Yet while you hunted, your wain was purloined, and your enemy claimed it as their own. Yet in your recklessness, you wandered into a fog-drenched swamp, and the forge of light was quenched.

After being allowed in by the Moon Goddesses, Phanes proceeded to lay claim to Teyvat, create four shades of itself, and wage war against the Seven Sovereigns.

  • Moon Sisters: Bubble Pool - Why, I remember that when they first started building their civilization on the surface, you even said, "That outsider is bad news, and naturally, its creations are the same." You wouldn't even spare them a glance— SonnetI still think you two shouldn't have let that outsider in, but the people on the surface...
  • BookBSAM - Forty winters entombed the flames, & forty summers churned the seas. The Seven Sovereigns were vanquished, & the seven nations submitted to the heavens.

Phanes ultimately wins the authority to reshape Teyvat, seizes the primordial dragons authority/power, and reshaped some of the planets rules.

  • SQ: What Shape Does the Self Hold - In war, the victor would inherit the right to shape the world, while the losers must turn into ash.
  • AQ: The Opera of Noirceur & Blancheur - Egeria stole the power of the Primordial Sea, & the Heavenly Principles [Phanes] stole the power you ancient dragons possessed. 
  • Neuvillette: A Fontainian Nursery Rhyme - Neuvillette remembers the foreign usurper appointing their own "God of Life" to order the living. He still remembers how the usurper had made "her" to suppress the original vital force of this planet. And of course, he also knows how "she" came to commit the original sin.
  • Moon Sisters: Golden Hall - That Descender's servant [Istaroth] said they had matters to discuss with me about this world's gravitational potential and metric tensor [laws of time].

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Using knowledge uncovered by dragon researchers, Phanes concealed Teyvat in a lunar veil.

  • WQ: Visitors From The Stars - Apart from the lunar sea itself, none of the draconic facilities were destroyedTheir survival doesn't seem in line with the plan laid down by the one who changed the world. Lusalim may have protected them by striking a bargain using the fruits of his research and followed the ruler of the heavens thereafter. 
  • Interactable: Ia-Ilimmu Storage Array Index: III- Theoretically speaking, we could alter an observer's fundamental perception through cognitive interference, or rather, a cognitive hazard. If our planet appears to them as nothing more than a mundane, barren rock utterly indistinguishable from any other piece of cosmic debris, they would naturally lose any curiosity to look deeper [...] Even so, this experiment proves one thing... For cognitive interference to work within a specific area, the fundamental principles of perception — the natural order that governs common sense — must first take root across the entire region. To make something's existence pass for common sense within a world, and thus stifle any curiosity to look deeper, the foundational laws of reality must first pervade that world. Scaling this boundary up to the entire universe, however, would require those laws to span the entire cosmos. Naturally, the latter is utterly impossible.
  • Boss: All-Devouring Narwhal - Maybe the universe has been constantly trying to infiltrate Teyvat, or maybe a higher power created borders to protect this world.
  • Records Left in the Terminal - I will not see the project completed, for I have sinned against dragonkind. I capitulated to that terrifying sovereign who was not of this world, and surrendered the precious results of our research. I do not intend to escape judgment. But you know very well why I made that choice.

Human/Ley Line Realm. Everything in this world was inextricably linked to Irminsul.

  • AQ: Darkness Looming - After the Heavenly Principles arrived, the power of the Light Realm was divided into elemental energy.
  • Event: Three Realms Gateway Offering - The Human Realm has a milder elemental energy & Ley Lines.
  • BossLava Dragon Statue - Research into whether the primal flame could be used to create a new race based on humans undoubtedly failed, for once the reaver arrived with their throne from beyond the skies, all that the primal flame could birth were hollow shells whose nominal lifeforce granted them no more consciousness than a stone.
  • AQ: Darkness Looming - Irminsul was refashioned as a device that records and preserves all information. Since then, everything in this world has been inextricably linked to it.

Seven Sovereigns

  • WQA Finale Emberforged - The reaver [HP] from beyond the skies once froze Xiuhcoatl in lavacausing him to fall into a false death.
  • AQ: Calamitous Tread - When the First Usurper [HP] arrived on Teyvat, they seized a part of the dragons' power. Today, that stolen power is the basis of the Archons' Authorities. The Dragon Sovereign of Water who lived through that era perished a long time ago.

Dragons went underground.

  • ArtifactMoonlit Offering's Parting Light - Beneath the earth & deep within the seas dwelt the fallen clans and broken kings of the Old World.
  • MaterialDragonheir's False Fin - Because of their great hatred for humanity, these vishaps will lose any visual acuity by the time they reach maturity.
  • EnemyBathysmal Vishaps A mighty race of vishaps that dwell within the deep seas. That they hate light is not due to an overly fragile sense of sight. Instead, it is because they have had the selfless sunlight & the surface world taken from them that they refuse to countenance man-made light.
  • Book: Vol. 4 - Bathysmal Vishap Experimental Records - The Dragonheirs' (hereafter named Bathysmal Vishaps or plain vishaps) evolution is plain for all to see.
  • WQ: The Three Great Martial Trials - Bathysmal Vishaps are primordial elemental beings, unbent and unbowed by the power that came from the heavens owing to their living deep underwater. They are actually very intelligent, and they are adept at evolving. They would even evolve into different elemental forms throughout the history of their war against us.

The Voyager returns and meets Koitar, who leads a rebellion against Phanes and rallies the dragons to her cause.

  • ArtifactHeavensent Decree - She called on memories long consigned to dust, memories of how, once upon a time, she had visited the sovereign who ruled that world. Where had its former master gone? [...] Her mind reached into the world within the shell...
  • Artifact: Deep Gallery's Distant Pact - When the voyager returned once morethe world she remembered had been utterly changed. The bones of the earth had been bound beneath fourfold shackles, & the soft white radiance of the sky had been split into seven immutable huesLike drifting smoke had the lord of dragons vanished, & the Winged One's [HP's] throne now ruled the radiance of the three moons.
  • ArtifactFinale of the Deep Seutervoinen"Alas that your ruler would dare to blaspheme such noble beings. Even the demonic sculptors of bloody nightmares, who delight in tormenting souls, would be taken aback by such cruelty. O dawn-maiden who has never known love, let me stand as the enemy to your laws. Raise your eyes to the stars, as you should, for the sake of all beings imprisoned by your rulerLet me be your sword, your shield, your guide, your unpardonable conspirator in rebellion." Then did she, most exalted of the angels, bend down and kiss his forehead, as countless icy blooms unfurled on the frigid silver tree
  • ArtifactHeavensent Crown"From the suffering ordained by fate, we have forged our own peace. Our great work has already long surpassed Their grace. A pale star burns beyond the false firmament, and its very existence proclaims our victory. Even in failure new possibilities will arisefor those yet to come are also watching us. Behold... The stars shine ever so bright tonight."
  • ArtifactHeavensent Crown - As if roused by thunderous war drums, beasts long forgotten by the world caught the scent of blood that tainted the divine. From lightless valleys and the far reaches of the outer seasthe most ancient masters of the earth also came forth to answer the call.

At some point, Project Moongazer is completed.

  • Records Left in the Terminal - Ninnin, you did not come into this world the way we did. You are a true child of the stars. That is why I now entrust Project Moongazer, now only one step away from completion, to you. & that final step is — life, information, and memory must be given a way to be inherited and to circulate. The power of the moon's origin, granted to us by the Moon Goddess, is enough to make this possible. [...] Now, I believe in you more than anyone. I believe you can finish walking the rest of the road none of us could. From now on, everything that follows, I place in your hands.
  • WQ: Visitors From The Stars - Nin-Kiggia's Mark: "A single ray of light is feeble, easily swallowed by the darkness, but as long as another light shines out before it can fade. Then one day, there will surely come a ray of light that pierces the night like the dawn."

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"The Funerary Year"

Nibelung returned, "& thus began the war of funerary flame."

  • Viewpoint: The Dark Fortress - From amid the starry firmament returns the Dragon Lord of Darkness, come to shatter the throne of the winged usurper. 👑
  • Teaser: Moonlit Ballad of the Night - The primordial being that once ruled this planet, made three moons rise from the earth. It was not until the Funerary Year, that the primordial voice once again cried out in the darkness.
  • AQ: Melting Moonlight in the Morning Mist - Nibelung returned, & thus began the war of funerary flame. A battle for dominance between Nibelung & the Heavenly Principles.
  • BookBSAM - The second throne of the heavens came, & war was rekindled, as it was in the world's creationThat day, the heavens collapsed & the earth was rent asunder.

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He imprisoned the moon goddesses in the moons reflection and turned the moons into weapons. Phanes shattered two moons and flung the Frost Moon beyond the lunar veil.

  • WQ: Project Moongazer - Its bottom-most levels lead to the moon's core, into which a fissure has been carved. An endless stream of ancient moon energy surges from the fissure — it's what powers this base. Its purpose was to turn the moon into a space-based weapon. This place is the masterpiece of that Dragon Lord of Darkness. He reforged the moon into a terrifying weapon. The lunar core, the source of the moon's power, became artillery fire aimed at Teyvat. However, that primordial ruler ultimately met defeat at the hands of the Heavenly Principles.
  • AQ: A Dance of Snowy Tides and Hoarfrost Groves - As you have seen, the three Moon Goddesses perished. This happened in a war triggered by the Descenders& of the three lunar husks, only the Frost Moon survived unbroken, while the others were shattered to pieces.
  • AQ: Melting Moonlight in the Morning Mist - The Heavenly Principles shattered two moons, & flung the other beyond the skies. [...] From that day on, the moons no longer belonged to Teyvat. The rejection slowly drained their power until eventually, they passed away.
  • NicoleCharacter Details - the black dragonlord returned from beyond the stars, and the moonlit chariot of the heavens shattered like crystal.
  • 「GI 6.7」Another video of a phenomenon from the new map WQ via Seele

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  • WQRevelations from the Past - You witness with your own eyes the gargantuan wings from beyond the world, the once glorious and grand figure now pitiable, having completely sunk into the terrifying shadow.
  • SQ: What Shape Does the Self Hold - The Dragon King acquired the power of darkness from outside of this world & led us in a fight against the order established by the outsiders. An unimaginable war took place in Teyvat, causing destruction on an unprecedented scale. The world itself was on the verge of collapse. 
  • WQA Finale Emberforged - When the Dragon King Nibelung descended from beyond the circles of this world, [Xiuhcoatl] was called forth by the Abyss & awoke from his long dream

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Post War

Phanes annihilated Nibelung during the war which caused Phanes to slowly lose their ability to suppress the original order of Teyvat. Teyvat is riddled with Abyss and Phanes sends down Celestial Nails to mend the land.

  • SQ: What Shape Does the Self Hold - In war, the victor would inherit the right to shape the world, while the losers must turn into ash; but I didn't give up on searching for a way to turn the tides, even after the death of the Dragon King. As I attempted to collect more forbidden knowledge from the corners of the world as it was on the verge of collapse I was stopped by the giant spike that fell from the sky.
  • Weapon:  Staff of the Scarlet Sands - In the original world, the barriers were torn down, & the dark poison had penetrated the earth. To heal that fragile, sad, & imperfect world, the spikes descended & pierced through the earth's crust.
  • Neuvillette: Vision Story - Severely wounded in the great war of vengeance, the usurper [HP] had their functions ruined, & could no longer use their absolute authority to suppress the original order of this world.
  • WQA Finale Emberforged - The reaver annihilated the great black-winged lord at great cost & at that moment, the fiery sovereign, who had been steeped in the Abyss, regained brief, tragic clarity. As he saw it then, this realm, once ruled by wisdom's blazing light, now lay shattered. A land once suffused by primal flame was now corroded by the dark foe, cankered & covered head to toe in sores.

 

Eventually Phanes needed to create 7 Gnoses in order to continue suppressing the resentments and loathing of the world which led to a new order that included visions and Seven Archons.

  • WQ: The Three Great Martial Trials - Much, much later, heaven's [HP's] powers of prohibition would gradually weaken.
  • Neuvillette: Vision Story - To continue to subdue and control the resentments and loathing of the world, the usurper and one who came after created the Gnoses together. So it came to be that an order was made to be upheld, and thus did humans come to only possess these seven remembrances, and all fragments of the primordial were driven to devour each other.
  • NicoleVision - A long time later. Nicole, who was attuned to every subtle tremor in the world, had felt a faint shift in its rulesThe mark known as the "Vision," a great journey meant for humans alone.

Neuvillette is the only fully fledged dragon.

EnemyBolteater Bathysmal Vishap - Following the fading of the Seven Sovereigns' power, a new generation of Sovereigns is presently being born. [...] the Dragon of Water will no longer be born from among their ranks. Prophecy holds that the new Dragon of Water will definitely descend in the form of a human.

AQ: Finale - Neuvillette: For me, the "authority of the ancient dragons" refers to absolute control over the Hydro element.

AQ: The Opera of Noirceur & Blancheur - Not only will the Oratrice take down the God of Justice, it will also take down the divine throne upon which she has been placed. My work over these last five hundred years has been to constantly accumulate Indemnitium within the Oratrice. The vast majority had to be accumulated to enact this death sentence. This power, accrued over five centuries, could have sustained Fontainians for millennia had it only been used for that purpose, but only power of this magnitude could hope to destroy the Hydro Archon's Divine Throneshaking the rules established by Celestia & breaking through the institution that is The Seven. In other words, this was all done to return the authority of the Hydro Archon to the Hydro Dragon of this planet.

Neuvillette: Character Story 5 - Now that he has obtained one part of seven of the authority over the mortal realm, and reforged the throne and title of a "Fully Fledged Dragon," he is one strong enough to equal and rival "the human realm" and logic would dictate that he need not subscribe to this system known as "fate." But he too was taken in by certain pleasing rhetoric. "In that case, why don't you just watch over the Fontainians? They were born from the Primordial Sea, after all. That makes them part of this planet's native life, too, and a form of life that requires your care."

Judgement/Restoration

  • Apep: Guiding Notes - Apep, the Dendro Dragon Sovereign, the ruler of elemental creatures who stands at the apex of Dendro itself. In many legends, she is the embodiment of vitality. As a Dragon Sovereign, she holds deep contempt for humans and gods, a sentiment born not of arrogance. She is indeed singular, a remnant of an era long since passed.
  • Character Intro: He who looks down on all that are haughty - Someday, when they return, their true ordeal shall begin.
  • Neuvillette: Character Story 5 - He can see, in the skies of destiny, how many stars contend with one another, creating a complicated, fragile world. He did not initially care much about such, for the puppet strings glossed as "divine rules" would one day be burned away by the fires of judgment.
  • Neuvillette: About Us: Witness - Since you hail from beyond the stars, I invite you to be my witness as I judge this upended world. "This realm dismantled was of theFormidable Father himself, but what now reigns here is a cluster of filthy feathers. Though we live in a world of disarray, *I shall undertake to restore all that has been broken."
  • Neuvillette: Character Story 5 - And could it not be, he would explain, that King Nibelung had been wrong, and that the black void could only be opposed if all life were to band together as one?
  • Neuvillette: About the Geo Archon - Nothing will stop me from rendering judgment on each of The Seven. As the Archon who won the Authority of Geo, Deus Auri must be called to trial.
  • Neuvillette: About the Anemo Archon - I shall fulfill my vow to judge all of The Seven in turn, even if the sky should fall and the ground give way. As the recipient of the Authority of Anemo, the God of Breeze and Hope must also stand trial...
  • Neuvillette: About the Electro Archon - As a survivor of the dragon race who has regained my full dragonhood, I must fulfill my oath & obligations even if it means returning all the water in the oceans back to the heavens. In taking the Authority of Electro, the Narukami placed herself on the list of the usurpers.
  • Neuvillette: About the Dendo Archon - Though the day will come when I put her on trial, I must commend the God of Verdure on her sense of responsibility.
  • Neuvillette: About the Pyro Archon - The Pyro Archon triumphed over the Abyss by leveraging rules and legacy — a truly commendable feat. Yet, holding an Authority seized from the dragons remains an unpardonable sin.

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Snake Considerations

The Serpent and Drakes of Tokoyokoku - "The origin of heaven and earth is like the chicken and egg, and are not dragons and snakes kin?"

Tutorial: "Dragons and serpents were once one and the same..." A wondrous repair tool created by the ancient dragons. Restore now-ruined devices by manipulating the Secret Source Dragon Idol on the screen to collect data fragments. However, the repair might fail if you come in contact with an obstacle...

Skirk: Character Story: The Seven-Shifting Serpent - It was originally known as "Chaos Permeation," a minor spell developed by Khaenri'ah's Universitas Magistrorum, and it was made to mock Teyvat's wielders of elemental power. Users of this spell could use Abyssal energy to evoke effects similar to the Elements. The underlying principle was analogous to using the Abyss to permeate reality, creating specific forms of negative pressure to thereby call upon the flow of a corresponding Element's energy.

SkirkAbout the Power of the Abyss - Master taught me how to wield the power of the Abyss, and from surviving Khaenri'ahn research, I learned how to channel that power and make it mimic the elemental energy of Teyvat. The fact that you and I don't need a Vision to use the elements implies that our aspirations do not require the approval of the gods.

Theory: The Five Sinners are using the power of Nibelung

Theory: Phanes/Primordial One had a sibling, who may or not may be Nibelung

Theory: The true identity of Ouroboros is Nibelung.

Story Teaser: Gnostic Chorus

Once, there was a glorious kingdom established among the heavens. From that kingdom came a crowned heir, tasked with seeking out the Genesis Pearl from the Kingdom of Darkness. The first crowned heir began her journey of seeking the pearl. But she was deceived, and the memory of her noble origins faded. She now believed that she was the queen of the Kingdom of Darkness.

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Der Ring des Nibelungen

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u/GenshinLoreModBOT — 6 days ago

About the Archons' Gnosis...

Okay, there are a lot of things that I'm quite confused about and things that I really noticed.

First is the move made by the Tsarita. The chess game is a reference from an old championship match during the 90s. If you play chess, you will immediately notice that her move is "invalid" because taking/attacking the pawn (knowing that the Tsarita's Gnosis is possibly the King) while there is an enemy rook defending that pawn would leave your King in check, making the move illegal. Maybe that's why Rhinedottir said "Good move, I still hope you truly understand the nature of the game" in 4:48.

Second is the loading screen. We always knew/assumed that the seven symbols were a reference to the Gnosis acting as chess pieces.

A. Most of us assumed that their positions represented which piece each Archon corresponded to (for example, Zhongli as the rook at the end, with Tsaritsa beside it as the knight, Nahida as bishop, Raiden Shogun Ei as king, Venti as queen, Furina as bishop, and Mavuika as knight).

However, after the new trailer, we can infer that the Tsaritsa’s Gnosis might actually represent the king. This would shift the interpretation—possibly making Raiden Ei the bishop, while Furina takes the knight role. We'll still assume Mavuika has a knight role too.

B. I also saw a reference from Kyuiis (slime representations as chess pieces from https://m.hoyolab.com/#/article/13337086) suggesting that the Tsarita's might instead be a rook. This is a really good assumption because, again, at the end of the trailer, she appears able to take the pawn even while an enemy rook is defending it, which in real chess would be illegal if Tsarita has the king. If she were the rook, the move becomes possible—but it would also mean she is sacrificing herself to the opposing rook. At that point, this also suggests that the Tsaritsa’s and Rhinedottir’s match is no longer following the original reference game from the 90s. That move also implies that the Tsarita's can't be a horse because a horse attacks like letter L.

So, following the order in the INTRO, the chess pieces might be like this:

• Mavuika and Furina's = Both horses

• Venti's = queen

• Possibly there is no king

• Ei and Nahida's = bishops

• and finally Tsarita's and Zhongli's = rooks

- This conclusion still follows the order in the intro plus it makes a lot of sense because for the first three, Mavuika's Gnosis is missing, Focalors sacrificed herself and the throne of the Hydro is back to the Sovereign Dragon making the first 2 Gnosis kind of worthless already.

- Venti’s Gnosis is probably down because… I don’t really know. His Gnosis is the queen, which is pretty symbolic since he’s all about freedom, like how the queen can move anywhere in chess. So maybe because he lets people live on their own and doesn’t really involve himself, and we already know he’s not in line with the Tsaritsa’s plan, he’s basically seen as already “out” or not needed anymore for her goals.

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u/Alert_Produce_4940 — 6 days ago

pre-snezhnaya recommended media?

pre-snezhnaya recommended reading/watching?

Wondering if the community has any recommended books, movies, tv shows or really anything recommended pre-snezhnaya? Like many other nations there are plenty of references, themes and similarities between the game and real life so if anyone has things to recommend such as the brothers karamazov etc. it’d be appreciated.

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u/aliexpressconsumer — 5 days ago

This might sound like a dumb question, maybe even a language issue or my lack of understanding, but what *is* "elemental affinity"?

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To clarify what I'm talking about. Moonfall silver, "possess almost perfect elemental affinity". And it's also an excellent elemental conductor, which I suppose is easier for me to understand, cause I have a basic understanding of what conduction means.

Then, the new material, Teardrop of the moon, "possesses a near-perfect elemental affinity with all types of elemental energy".

Am I just stupid for not understanding what that's trying to say?

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u/NewWaterBitch — 4 days ago