[7.0 AQ/WQ spoilers] An in-depth visual analysis regarding certain "sequences" in Act 2 of the 7.0 AQ

This involves the "dream" sequences during Act 2. These sequences likely involve visual metaphors based on memories from the ley lines that are being experienced by the Traveler.

I'm currently working this into a larger theory of mine, as it supports a ton of what I've found so far regarding it. You can find the outline for this work in progress theory here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1utubce/work_in_progress_theoryoutline_the_origins_of/

Keep in mind that this involves extremely esoteric lore, so if you don't understand any of this, that's completely normal, lol. In fact, I would highly recommend reading this comment I made a couple weeks ago, as this post will touch upon things regarding Celestia's points of interest, the surrounding areas, and the structure of Teyvat's microcosm. This will help provide additional context beforehand: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1vb7q1n/version_70_everwinter_without_mercy_livestream/p0xhetd/

And now, for the analysis:

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The spiral staircase we are climbing is the "divine staircase/ladder":

The divine spiral staircase

>Rumor has it that people who've ascended to Celestia have also witnessed the same helix-shaped divine ladder that can be seen within Visions. Venturing out into the universe and down into the abyss are the same in that both are braving the dark unknown.

>Nicole: ...And so, when their day of reckoning finally arrived, (‍Traveler‍) and Paimon ascended the seven-tiered steps to find a familiar figure awaiting them.

>Above the night sky, the daughters of dreams and poetry kept vigilant, unceasing watch over the mortal world's every change.
In the deep slumber of the Arianrhod Realm, at the foot of the seventy-tiered staircase, beside the gleaming silver vessels.

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The Black Mist is "Abyssal" energy (more context near the end) that is being pumped upwards through the "divine staircase":

The Black Mist

Athame Artis: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Athame_Artis

>At his invitation, the little witch descended to the deepest level of the castle, where — beyond its fragile boundaries — stretched a sea of pure darkness.
Sustaining this boundary was a massive mechanism that spat out an endless stream of smoke. Countless pipes were continuously drawing thick seawater into its core.

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This "star" is the "lighthouse":

The light at the end of the tunnel...

  • Odette is called "Stars' Envoy" in this scene. Angels are frequently referred to as envoys, and recall where I mentioned above that in the Beyond Silver and Fine Gold: The Forgotten Lighthouse quest, we speak to Nicole at the top after ascending the spiral staircase.
  • There is also the "lighthouse" in Simulanka, which exists at the "end of the world", and Durin is found behind a waterfall. Before that, we encounter a "fell dragon scale" that can convert anything it touches into "toy blocks".

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This rotating central pillar is the "perpetual motion machine":

Round and round and round it goes...

Athame Artis: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Athame_Artis

>At his invitation, the little witch descended to the deepest level of the castle, where — beyond its fragile boundaries — stretched a sea of pure darkness.
Sustaining this boundary was a massive mechanism that spat out an endless stream of smoke. Countless pipes were continuously drawing thick seawater into its core.
"This is the perpetual motion machine, or you may call it the Holy Grail. By burning the seawater, it generates light and heat."
"Since all tangible things on this planet are merely shadows cast by light, so long as we can create a fire that never goes out..."
"But doing this will only make the planet burn out even faster..." the little witch sighed.
"Once the sea's been drained, this place will be finished. There's nothing 'holy' about this so-called grail..."
"Now I know why the planet's been feeling unwell."

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This is a breach created by the Voyager (as Seutervoinen/The Saint/Anacharsis) during their foray into the "eggshell" of the false sky, in their search for traces of Nibelung:

Voyager did what any sane, morally flexible, body-snatching alien would do... they gathered a party of adventurers, rode a train up the divine staircase, and plowed through the throat of the wormhole in search of their dragon buddy :V

>...The Saint had come to Hyperborea in search of that light from the very genesis of the world, a fragment left behind at its inception. It is a light that is undissipated hope itself, a light that holds the potential to illuminate the entire cosmos. From what I have seen of it projected in that house of ministry, it is also the very same light that brought about my birth...
...He brought down something from the heavens merely to ascertain whether that light was truly extinguished. He then launched that advance which was destined to fail against the "fate" that ruled over the entire world, and was consequently punished...

The above may suggest that Voyager gathered a group of adventurers during their foray, and their party battled Nibelung. According to the Belyi Tsar's note from above - along with the other notes we find from him - the Belyi Tsar was created from a combination of a fragment of Nibelung's soul and the flesh of the Cryo Sovereign. Also, recall the "fell dragon scale" in Simulanka - it has the ability to convert anything it touches into "toy blocks", so it's possible that Voyager also brought back an untainted scale from Nibelung and used it in the creation of the SAMPO, as it essentially functions as a matter-energy converter (Subatomic Assembling Mass-energy Patterning Orb).

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We enter this area after exiting the breach in the side of the staircase. These extremely high, circular cliffs are the mouth of the wormhole (also recall that the Hexenzirkel sometimes meet at "the edges of cliffs"):

The upper mouth of the wormhole, viewed from below

The wormhole

>Paimon: We'll go with you... Wait. Look over there! Is that...
Paimon: A red... whirlpool? Wormhole? What is that?

...which is all the more interesting now that we know she is a creation of Celestia who was summoned by Pierro. Also recall that Paimon was fished up by the traveler after being caught up in a whirlpool: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Soloist%27s_Prologue

>Huh? Me!? Before Paimon ran into you, Paimon never ran into any trouble! At most, when she was super tired, Paimon got caught in some strange whirlpool and sucked out to sea! And even then, you fished Paimon out!

The "lighthouse" and the "rainbow bridge" (wormhole):

The wormhole connects Teyvat to the interior of the \"eggshell\"

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Conclusion

And now, to bring this all together:

During my lore investigations, I have found several things that suggest the possibility that Nibelung never actually "returned" - but was rather captured by Phanes in deep space, imprisoned within their "eggshell" (which we know there is a precedent for, as one of Zibai's deadly selves was imprisoned in the false sky - specifically the Shadowmoon), and used to power a "perpetual motion machine". The idea goes like this:

  • Teyvat's system of fate is designed to intentionally create Abyssal energy as a waste byproduct.
    • We learn from Alice that "The essence of the Abyss lies in the hatred carried by all the fates that will not come to pass."
  • The ley lines absorb souls when they die, and dumps their "unchosen fates" somewhere deep underground.
    • We learn in 7.0 that ley lines can both guide, but also "devour" souls. Ronova states that if souls linger for too long without entering the ley lines, they become a "bomb". I suspect this may involve the "unchosen fates" of that soul manifesting as Abyssal energy.
  • The "perpetual motion machine" pumps these "unchosen fates" upwards through the "divine ladder", and deposits the energy in the bottom of the "eggshell", where it eventually manifests as Abyssal energy. This may be "the Abyss" as a location, such as where we train with Skirk in her story quest.
  • This energy is absorbed by Nibelung's scales, which convert the Abyssal energy into light realm energy, which is then further processed into elemental energy by Phanes. This process is what eventually led to his corruption. Recall the "fell dragon scale" in Simulanka mentioned above that converts anything it touches into "toy blocks".
    • We also learn from Athame Artis that this machine is unsustainable, so it's also possible that the energies it produced were sustainable at first, but later began to outpace Nibelung's ability to convert the energy, which led to a runaway effect that may have led to his Abyssal corruption.
  • At some point, Voyager decides to search the interior of the "eggshell" for traces of Nibelung. They gather an adventurer party, and create a "train" (which may or may not be a metaphorical train) to ride up the "divine staircase" in order to outpace the energies being pumped through it. Near the top, they break through the wall of the staircase and the throat of the wormhole, and into the eggshell where they eventually find and battle Nibelung. It's possible that the consequences of this battle may have allowed Nibelung to eventually break free in the future, but Nibelung's "return" didn't occur until after Voyager's host died.
    • Also keep in mind that from the perspective of everyone on Teyvat, Nibelung emerging from the interior of the "eggshell" probably would have looked no different from him coming from outside the false sky, as both would involve him rending that part of the shell open. Lacking all of the information may have led to the universal conclusion that he "returned".

This cycle creates an "endless" supply of energy, but as suggested by Athame Artis, it isn't sustainable, and ultimately causes more harm in the long run. This "terrible" process of fate is alluded to in the notes left by the Belyi Tsar:

>...As for the truth about "Heimarmene," I fear that the conclusion I have reached may be far too terrible to put to paper...

Recall that Rene's notes also associate Heimarmene with fate:

>To receive a Vision is to sell oneself to the "fate" of this world — to Heimarmene, and to evermore lose the chance to walk the correct path.

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Other notes:

  • The Shadow Realm exists within the "eggshell":

>Eye of Graeae: Correct. We are now inside what is known as the Shadow Realm — the darkest space in the shell, where even the most high is loath to cast its gaze.

  • Ungien's circle and the areas above and below bear a striking similarity to these structures:

A \"perpetual motion machine\", a \"false sky\", a \"divine staircase\", and \"Celestia\".

  • Teyvat's "eggshell" may lie both "above" and "below" Teyvat's microcosm, meaning that the Abyss and Celestia within the "eggshell" can be accessed by venturing either "upwards" or "downwards". "Ad Astra Abyssosque - to the stars and the Abyss!", as they say. See this image from Nicole: An Epic Adventure Story for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8JSKIEGYyo

Ad Astra Abyssosque!

I created this speculative diagram of Teyvat's microcosm based on this new info. Keep in mind that there is also a dimensional aspect to these layers, so they may cover a larger "area" than what's visually represented here. They are presented as "layers" for the sake of simplicity, as the structure of Teyvat's microcosm is an absolute nightmare to interpret, and me brain hurty after spending several hours making this:

Highly speculative diagram of Teyvat's microcosm

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u/AudieMurphy135 — 5 days ago

The Pale Star / Dawn Star may have been visible in the login screen from the very beginning

So a few weeks ago, I saw someone point out that there is only a single star that is visible in the login screen during dawn or dusk. Since then, I couldn't get it out of my head that perhaps this could be the Pale Star. Being the only visible star during dawn or dusk would fit, because the Pale Star is also referred to as the Morning Star / Dawn Star. In the real world, the "morning star" is a name for Venus, and is also called the "evening star" - so this tracks with it being the only visible star at those times in the login screen.

But there's another thing I noticed. It's still there during the night, and there are several other stars that also stand out like it, rather than being part of the skybox's texture. But this particular star is the only one of those stars that has a pulsating glow around it:

https://preview.redd.it/tjgb1i5htuih1.png?width=115&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebc05215a9823f435bbe8dd1174fc0a1515cd5b9

Here's the location for reference:

https://preview.redd.it/vo67j1tktuih1.png?width=3840&format=png&auto=webp&s=3990c3cf447e15870767f5c72a824418b4071001

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u/AudieMurphy135 — 8 days ago

The Grand Unified Theory of Teyvat, Part 1: "Mistilteinn", The Tsaritsa's Spear - The SAMPO's lost Collaborative Control Module

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Preface

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(Notice: This theory contains references to and images from the 7.0 livestream and trailers. This is also one of the longer theories that I've posted - sitting at around 26,000+ characters / 4,400+ words, so I would recommend setting aside enough time to read this in its entirety. Something, something, "Several cutscenes..." This post was also formatted for "new" Reddit so I could use image embedding, so some of the formatting may look a little weird on old Reddit.)

"The Grand Unified Theory of Teyvat" is something I've been working on for a solid half a year now. It is a collection of interconnecting theories that heavily involves analyzing allegories, metaphors, parallels, visual symbolism, and some of the game's most hidden and esoteric lore. I'm now (finally) at the point where I'm confident enough about certain things that I can start assembling these into proper theories and analyses - and I've been wanting to start this series before Snezhnaya's release. And since we're less than a week away from 7.0, I felt like having the first part be Snezhnaya-related would be the perfect way to kick off this series.

This first part involves something I came across a little over three months ago when I began investigating the story of the King of Midsommar Oak and the King of Winter Icelea. That alone deserves its own post, but the gist of it is that this story seems to be "encoded" within Teyvat's cyclical nature of fate. You can find several stories - fictional, non-fictional, and intentionally allegorical - that all involve extremely similar events and descriptions repeating throughout the game that appear to be related to this. So far I have found over 20 stories that are potentially connected.

With that being said, let's begin!

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Part 1: The Story of the Kings of Midsommar Oak and Winter Icelea (Summarized)

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As mentioned above, this would require its own full theory to fully explain. I will be providing a "brief" summary in order to provide enough context. The most relevant part involves how several of these stories have repeating themes of either the main character or their opponent involving some combination of:

  • Having black hair and being "mountainous" in stature.
  • Living a life of bloodshed and having lost something.
  • Having made a pact, oath, or debt with someone.
  • Engaging in combat with either a "guardian" or a "nemesis".
  • Events occurring on a windy and rainy night (or mentions of "wind and snow"), along with taking place on terrain that is described as mountainous, plains, barren, or desolate.
  • Mentions of being a "headless" or "crownless" king.
  • Mentions of shapeshifting, especially regarding the "nemesis", or the main character turning into a cat.
  • Striking their opponent in the head with an object that is frequently (but not always) described as some combination of stick-like, broken, drained of energy, or associated with fire or "wealth" in some way. In some cases, this object is not used as the weapon that strikes the opponent in the head.

That last one in particular is the most important part. Here are some examples of this that I've found so far:

Golden Frostbound Oath: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Golden_Frostbound_Oath

>Until the knight's blade rose in a final arc and struck the crown from the fae king's brow.
[...] the Golden Bough, now emptied of its former divine grace [...]

The Headless Coquitao: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/The_Headless_Coquitao

>Then headless Coquitao raised Makana on high and struck, the blow shattering the traitor's skull like the illusory Mexicali oracle.

Legend of the Lone Sword: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Legend_of_the_Lone_Sword

>And in a flash, the incense burner had struck the chief of Tupi Village on the forehead, sending him tumbling into a wall where he then collapsed, immobile.

New Chronicles of the Six Kitsune: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/New_Chronicles_of_the_Six_Kitsune

>Suddenly, Itaru yelled "take this!" and threw a bag full of Mora directly at Dozaemon's face. Dozaemon didn't react in time, and took the full force of the impact square on the nose. [...] Without a word, she hit Dozaemon so hard it felt like a Liyue martial arts tournament was being hosted on his face. [...] Itaru noticed and landed another ferocious blow to his head.

A Brief History of the Pale Starborn: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/A_Brief_History_of_the_Pale_Starborn

>King Miscislav was eventually slain when the Emperor's spear pierced through his head.

That last entry is particularly interesting, because that is the only story that is an actual historical account that involves real characters, and many of the events and descriptors in these stories fit with the Belyi Tsar. Additionally, the way it is described as being "broken" or "drained of energy" reminds me of the SAMPO (the "Subatomic Assembling Mass-energy Patterning Orb") - however, the main issue with that is that the SAMPO is an orb, and not a stick-like object. Additionally, it was in the possession of the Frostmoon Scions since the fall of Hyperborea around 6,000 years ago, up until the Cataclysm around 500 years ago. And so piecing all of that together led me to suspect that this stick-like object may have been the SAMPO's Collaborative Control Module (CCM).

Other objects that are used as "SAMPO-analogues" in these stories that I have found are:

  • Turnfire from Fang of the Mountain King
  • The Scepter / dragon's infinite hoard of gold in Ballad of the Fjords
  • Laevatain in Legend of the Shattered Halberd
  • Note: Laevatain and Mistilteinn are sometimes considered to be the same weapon in Norse mythology, especially regarding the mistletoe used to kill Baldr.
  • The SAMPO itself in Legends of Reed Miller

Here is a very outdated image of most of the stories I was investigating regarding this. While outdated and incomplete, it should help provide further context for the similarities I have found between these stories:

Lore brainworm levels: Unprecedented

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To conclude this section, when you involve many of the repeating themes throughout these stories, there is only a single instance of an actual historical account that involves many of these things - The Belyi Tsar in A Brief History of the Pale Starborn. In it, he uses his spear to pierce King Miscislav in the head. Because of the Belyi Tsar's connection to Hyperborea, Hyperborea being the SAMPO's origins due to being created by the Voyager, and the fact that the SAMPO's CCM has been missing, there is a strong possibility that the "Emperor's Spear" is the lost CCM.

...But now the question is... where did he acquire it?

To answer this, we will need to proceed to the next part.

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^(Fun fact)^(: In) ^(Legend of the Lone Sword)^(, the main character's name - Jin - is Chinese for "gold". Additionally, he is called "Jin the Seventy-Second", as he was "the last of the 72 members of their school". Being the last of "72" is interesting, because there are exactly 72 demons in) ^(Ars Goetia)^(, whom many of the gods in Genshin are named after. The 72nd demon in) ^(Ars Goetia) ^(is Andromalius, so this could be a hint that the Belyi Tsar's demon name as the Cryo Archon was based off of Andromalius. If all Archon demon names are inherited like with the Pyro Archons, then the Tsaritsa may also have "Andromalius" as her demon name.)

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Part 2: The Shattered Halberd - Lævateinn. Mistilteinn. Gungnir.

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https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Legend_of_the_Shattered_Halberd

Legend of the Shattered Halberd (LotSH) - yet another story written by the mysterious Mr. Nine, who we only recently found out is a Seelie - a former angel. Not only that, but we also recently learned from both her and Nicole that Seelies are capable of possessing people. The fact that this story involves a character named the "Celestial Emperor's Daughter" who is capable of possessing people means that this story can be seen in a new light with this additional context - on top of Mr. Nine also being the creator of the character Fischl - who is likely an allegory for Koitar - the First Angel.

(Note: I would recommend giving this analysis by u/Jesyka_ a read. It's related to much of what I have to say in this section: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1vgqil9/parallels_between_the_celestial_emperors_daughter/ )

As this story has been in the game from the start, there has been no shortage of theories regarding it. Many of them involve the "Shattered Halberd" being the Third Descender, but I would like to propose a different idea:

The Shattered Halberd is the SAMPO's Collaborative Control Module, "Mistilteinn".

Before we begin, let's assume two things:

  • One, that the Celestial Emperor's daughter is Koitar, possessing someone ("Weiyang") after she regained her memories and returned to Hyperborea to wait for the Voyager.
  • And two, that Mir is the Belyi Tsar. His full name is "Mi Mir", and since this book is filled with references to Norse mythology, this means that his name is certainly based off of Mímir. We can infer that he is likely a stand-in for the Belyi Tsar due to what we learned in Part 1, especially regarding references to being "headless" or "crownless" - as Mímir in Norse mythology was beheaded.
  • Piecing those assumptions together and combining them with what we learned in Part 1, we can infer the possibility that - in some of the stories that involve the main character fighting a "guardian" - they may be about the Belyi Tsar entering the ruins of Hyperborea (we know from Disenchantment in Deep Shadow that he has done this countless times over the course of thousands of years) and encountering Koitar after she regained her memories, who is awaiting the Voyager near the Irminsul tree where they first met in Finale of the Deep Galleries. This would be how the two of them first met and began their adventures together as seen in LotSH.

In LotSH, the Divine Halberd had been broken into nine pieces in the past - the "Ominous Swords". If we take that number literally, there is actually a very simple explanation as to what these pieces could have been.

  • First, we know that they were associated with the elements, due to names such as "the Sword of Mist", and "the Sword of Flame". There are seven elements. On the Tsaritsa's spear, we can see several diamond-shaped symbols on the upper ring - of which there are at least six - which have colors that presumably correspond to the elements. These are the "runes" mentioned in LotSH.
  • Second, the other two pieces are the two halves of the spear itself - just as depicted on the cover of the book:

The \"runes\" of the Tsaritsa's Spear and Legend of the Shattered Halberd

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There is also at least one instance of this potentially being mirrored in Teyvat's history in the form of a "staff" with two halves - Shadow of the Sand King: https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_of_the_Sand_King

The most important line is here:

>The royal regalia and divine scepters are scattered across the land like jujubes [...]

The royal regalia and divine scepters refer to the Key of Khaj-Nisut and the Staff of the Scarlet Sands.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Key_of_Khaj-Nisut

>One of a paired set of scepters fashioned from obsidian. They say that this can be used as a key to open the gate to a paradise that lies at the end of the ocean of sand.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Staff_of_the_Scarlet_Sands

>One of a paired set of scepters fashioned from obsidian. Legend has it that these staves grant the right to lead the people of the desert, but no retainer now lives who can verify the proper appearance of these regalia.

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Back to LotSH, we next have Laevatain:

>In the chaos, Mir had brought out the sword his father had left him as inheritance. It was intended as more of a gesture of defiance than a genuine attempt to fight back. But unbeknownst to him, this was the greatest cursed sword of all, that had once burned the entire world to cinders: Laevatain. If the fire-realm runes constituted the mystery of the fire realm, Laevatain was its pure unadulterated, unquenchable reality.

This is based off of Lævateinn from Norse mythology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A6vateinn

>It is glossed as literally meaning a "wand" causing damage by several sources, yet some of these same sources claim simultaneously that the name is a kenning for sword. Others prefer to regard it as a magic wand (seiðr staff), can be considered the mistletoe dart that killed Baldur.

In that article, it is referred to as a wand, sword, twig, dart, arrow, staff, or cudgel - which aligns with the stick-like objects described in Part 1. Not only that, but the quote above states that it "can be considered the mistletoe dart that killed Baldur". There's another name for the mistletoe weapon that was used to kill Baldur in Norse mythology: Mistilteinn.

^(()^(Note)^(: Interestingly, Mistilteinn originally belonged to Thrain in Norse mythology - which also happens to be Capitano's name.))

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Next, there is another famous spear from Norse mythology - Odin's spear, Gungnir. And this one just so happens to have also been split in two in one of its versions. But not just any version... the version in Richard Wagner's Der Ring des Nibelungen, which Genshin takes much inspiration from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gungnir

>Wotan's (Odin's) spear is made from the wood of the world tree, the ash tree Yggdrasil [...] When he later tries to bar Siegmund's son Siegfried from awakening Brünnhilde from her magic sleep, Siegfried breaks the spear in two and Wotan flees. [...] In the concluding opera Götterdämmerung Wotan is said to have returned to his stronghold Valhalla with the broken spear and withdrawn from worldly matters.

There's a lot to take away from that. First, the spear is made from Yggdrasil. If we look at the Tsaritsa's spear, it very much looks like it was made from an Irminsul branch due to its silver-white color. Additionally, it was split in two - just like the Shattered Halberd being split into two halves during Mir's encounter with the "Crown Prince":

>Mir: "I will give you half of the Divine Halberd. The Dharani of the fire realm, I will offer to father. Mostly to avoid another situation where we have remnants trying to stir up trouble."

And then at the end of that quote from the Wikipedia article, it says that "Wotan is said to have returned to his stronghold Valhalla with the broken spear and withdrawn from worldly matters". Now, where have I seen a similar description before in Genshin... Ah!

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Bloodsoaked_Ruins

>The White Emperor, who ruled the fae from the lofty throne of the Pale Star, had been silent since returning from the ruins of the far north. He lingered in the birch forest, deep in thought [...]

There is a strong likelihood that the King of Midsommar Oak was the Third Descender - the "younger twin brother" of the Belyi Tsar. This is a massive theory in and of itself, so I won't go into a lot of detail here, but the pieces I laid out in Part 1 should provide enough context. Combining Hymns of the Far North, Bloodsoaked Ruins, Ballad of the Fjords, and Rene's notes on Ajax provides a fairly concise and clear picture of this, if you wish to investigate further.

And so if we assume that this line is after the death of the Third Descender and the events of LotSH, it aligns perfectly with Gungnir's depiction in Der Ring des Nibelungen.

And finally - to add the final cherry on top - look at the depiction of the Tsaritsa on Snezhnaya's Statue of the Seven.

She is holding a scepter and a sphere. Half of "Mistilteinn" and the SAMPO. The SAMPO's location has been unknown for around 500 years, ever since Rotwang used it - so there is a possibility that the Tsaritsa acquired it since then.

^(Fun fact)^(: The scepter and spear are also related to this:) ^(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globus_cruciger)

A possible depiction of the SAMPO and half of the CCM

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Part 3: "Spirals", "Cecilias", the Voyager, and the nature of the Collaborative Control Module, "Mistilteinn"

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^(()^(Note)^(: This section will draw parallels between the name of a certain character and their weapon from Ho­nkai Impact (HI3). H­oyo frequently repeats thematic and visual symbolism across their games in very consistent ways, so these parallels will be used to help draw connections between between similar things in Genshin - no direct connections are being made between the two games, so I'm hoping that this is minor enough to not violate the Wednesday-only rule. If it does, I can always just wait to post this on Wednesday (although 7.0 will release the night before), or I can also move this section to a comment in this post.))

The Spiral Abyss. Cecilia flowers. The Arrow of Terpikeraunas. The Voyager. You may be wondering how all of those are related. To understand this, we need to take a brief look at a certain character and her weapon from H­onkai Impact:

Cecilia Schariac and The Abyss Flower. Cecilia is arguably the most famous user - aside from Duranda­l - of The Abyss Flower. It's a type of weapon called a "Divine Key", created during humanity's Previous Era 50,000 years ago. It was created from the core of a He­rrscher (the closest analogue in Genshin would be an Archon). The Abyss Flower was known as the 6th Divine Key - Key of Creation, and it was created from the core of the He­rrscher of Death.

The Abyss Flower has the ability to disintegrate matter at a subatomic level, along with reconstructing matter, such as creating large plant-like structures. It can also be used to revive a person, heal fatal injuries, or extend one's life. But it also has another feature - it can be separated into two halves. "Black Abyss" and "White Flower".

If this is all starting to sound familiar... it should. Recall that the SAMPO stands for "Subatomic Assembling Mass-energy Patterning Orb". So if the SAMPO "assembles" things on a subatomic scale, then presumably its CCM might do the opposite - it might disintegrate matter at a subatomic level for the SAMPO to reassemble. We also know that in the absence of the CCM, there is a "theoretical bypass protocol" where the SAMPO is capable of using light or void realm energy to activate. However, this was "deemed too risky to attempt" by the survivors of Hyperborea, which explains the need for an additional component that is used in conjunction with the SAMPO to control it - a "Collaborative Control Module".

And so if this weapon is truly capable of disintegrating matter at a subatomic level, that could explain how the Tsaritsa plans to kill the Heavenly Principles, and why she pulls it out when facing Ronova in the Transcendence trailer.

But you're probably still wondering... how does all that other stuff about "spirals" and "Cecilias" tie into this?

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First, we have to explain how the Spiral Abyss was likely created by the Voyager:

In Finale of the Deep Galleries (CN: Finale of the Deep Corridor), Skirk is searching the ruins of Hyperborea for traces of the Voyager. In this artifact set, both the "golden tower" of Hyperborea and the Spiral Abyss are mentioned as part of these ruins. Therefore, the Spiral Abyss exists either in or near Hyperborea's golden tower. In the description for the Spiral Abyss, it states that:

>Its structure is divided into the "Abyss Corridor," which connects worlds, and the "Abyssal Moon Spire," which leads to the unknown.

In other words, the Abyss Corridor in the Spiral Abyss contains gates to other worlds - the "fractured mirrors" mentioned in Finale of the Deep Galleries. We know from the Celestial Gift artifact set that the Voyager was from a civilization called the "Chroniclers", and they were capable of creating "gates of stars".

The login screen doorway and the Gate of Stars (Simulanka furniture item)

So because the Voyager was a Chronicler, she presumably knew how to create these stargates. The Voyager ruled Hyperborea as "Seutervoinen", which contained the Spiral Abyss, which itself contained gates to other worlds, so we can infer that she - at the very least - most likely had a hand in its creation. There is also a very high likelihood that the stargates within the Spiral Abyss' Abyss Corridor are the "Gates of Pohjola" where the Third Descender was killed, considering that combining the stories of Hymns of the Far North, Bloodsoaked Ruins, and Ballad of the Fjords shows that the Gates of Pohjola exist within the ruins of Hyperborea.

And if you need any further convincing regarding "mirrors", "gates", and "other worlds" - remember the "Looking Glass" from world quest Book of Esoteric Revelations? It leads to a zone called "???", which we now know to be the Shadow Realm.

The Looking Glass and \"???\"

Alright, now we can move on to "spirals" and "Cecilias". This can be simply explained with these short bullet points and an infographic, now that we have the necessary context:

  • The Abyss Flower in HI3 features a double triquetra on it, and is wielded by Cecilia Schariac.
  • Cecilia flowers in Genshin are shaped like a double triquetra, and are found in Mondstadt.
  • The portal to the Spiral Abyss is found in Mondstadt, and features a double triquetra on its entrance.
  • The Voyager created the Spiral Abyss.
  • The Arrow of Terpikeraunas is a rebuilt prototype of Hyperborea's "great arrows", whose creation likely involved the Voyager due to the advanced technology involved.
  • The projectile fired by the Arrow of Terpikeraunas is called the Spiralblade, and looks extremely similar in design to the Abyss Flower in HI3. Thus, we create a little lore ouroboros.

And finally, the "tip" of the Tsaritsa's spear has this same spiral design.

Spirals and Cecilias

It seems that the Voyager reeeeally likes spirals, spears, and arrows! (I personally enjoy lore spirals myself, haha...ha... ^(please send help) )

^(Fun Fact)^(: Did you also know that the background for the Spiral Abyss is a Golden Spiral?)

Golden-Spiral Abyss

I would also like to shout out this post by u/Breakoutofyourshell, which made me aware of the "Cecilia" connections. With that, I was able to piece together this section of the theory in order to further support it: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1uzw8gy/the_true_identity_of_istaroth_is_the_voyager_and/

I also have my own "Voyageroth" theory that I'm working on, and as "out there" as the idea might sound, there's actually mountains of things that support this idea. Even more than what's in this post. But that's for a future part of the Grand Unified Theory of Teyvat. Stay tuned!

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Conclusion

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So to recap:

  • The Tsaritsa's spear may also be the SAMPO's Collaborative Control Module, also known as "Mistilteinn".
  • The spear may have remained in the ruins of Hyperborea after the destruction of the city. It was later later recovered, broken into pieces, and eventually reassembled once more.
  • The spear may have the ability to disintegrate things - the opposite of the SAMPO's function - in order to provide the SAMPO raw subatomic matter to transmute.
  • The SAMPO and its CCM may be inspired by the two halves of Abyss Flower from H­onkai Impact.
  • This subatomic disintegration may be the method that the Tsaritsa plans to use against the Heavenly Principles and Ronova. Presumably, not even Teyvat's gods are immune to disintegration via sci-fi death-rays built by body-snatching, morally flexible ancient aliens who can't mind their own business.

And there you have it! Hopefully that was a convincing enough theory regarding the SAMPO's Collaborative Control Module. This theory has been over three months in the making.

I did want to add some additional related lore tidbits and speculation, but much of it is a bit outside the scope of this theory, and I've already been working on this for over 15 hours straight today, so... I kinda just want to be done with this already, lmao. My brain is deep fried, and I am absolutely zonkered.

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The Future of The Grand Unified Theory of Teyvat

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And that's Part 1! If you enjoyed this first entry, here is a sneak peek of some of the other parts that I (tentatively) plan on releasing in the future:

  • Part 2: "The Owl, the Peacock, and the Raven: The Wings of Descension"
    • Investigating the bird-related symbolism of the first three Descenders.
  • Part 3: "Teyvat's Back Doors: The Gates of Stars, the Spiral Abyss, and the Gatekeepers"
    • Investigating the various "stargates" (DHD not included) found throughout Teyvat and their potential connections to the Chroniclers - such as the login screen area, the Gates of Pohjola, and the Abyss Corridor, along with those who guard the gates.
  • Part 4: "Celestia's Landmarks, Surrounding Points of Interest, and the Structure of Teyvat's Microcosm"
    • Investigating the "Lighthouse", "Forest", "Tavern", "Port", "Bridge", "Cave", "Church", "Cliff", "Theater", "Lake", and "Whirlpool" by using the city of Mondstadt, the Sea of Bygone Eras, and Simulanka as parallels.
  • Part 5: "The Kings of Midsommar Oak and Winter Icelea"
    • Investigating how the Third Descender may have been the Belyi Tsar's "brother" through analyzing a scattered story encoded within fate itself.
  • Part 6: "The Origins of Phanes and the Genesis Pearl, their Capture of Nibelung in Deep Space, and the Perpetual Motion Machine"
    • Investigating the possibilities of Phanes' origins as the silver-haired Gnostic Chorus twins, their "eggshell" and its origins as a stellar blackbody, Nibelung's capture and imprisonment by Phanes within the eggshell before their arrival on Teyvat, and the Voyager's failed attempt to rescue Nibelung with a group of adventurers - which led to acquiring one of Nibelung's scales, which was used to create the SAMPO.
  • Part 7: "The Divine Plan and the Eternal Dream: Phanes' Sacrificed Descender Status, Their Need for a Successor, and the Arrogation of the Divine Throne by Phanes' "Golden Harp" - The Heavenly Principles"
    • Investigating similarities between Phanes and Remus, their inspiration from The Gods of Pegana, the Narzissenkreuz, Archons, and the possibilities involved, such as:
      • Phanes sacrificing their status as a Descender to "annihilate" Nibelung.
      • Phanes' plan to have the Traveler succeed them by turning them into a Descender, by forcing them to experience Phanes' own history through using fate to recreate the conditions that caused them to become a Descender.
      • Phanes being usurped by their "golden harp" and imprisoned in an eternal dream.
      • How the "harp" stole Phanes' identity, suppressed ancient history, and currently masquerades as them as "The Heavenly Principles".
      • Phanes' brief awakening during the Cataclysm, their creation of Paimon to guide the Traveler along their plan, and Ronova's true loyalty to the "harp".
      • The possibility of the "harp" being fashioned from Koitar (or a fragment of her), the AI from the Traveler's ship, or potentially the fusion of both.
  • Part 8: "The Curious Case of Istaroth"
    • Investigating Istaroth's potential connections to the Hexenzirkel as a possible eighth member, the Chroniclers, the Voyager, and Khaenri'ah.

Whew...

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u/AudieMurphy135 — 11 days ago

(Work in progress theory/outline) The Origins of Phanes, their universe-scale "cognitive hazard", and the "perpetual motion machine"

So this is the outline of a major theory that I'm working on. The outline is more or less finished, however I wanted to make sure there aren't any major kinks with it before I begin working on the complete version. I figured I would share this in the meantime, and see if anyone here might have any further ideas that could relate to this, or if there are any glaring errors/conflicts that I may have overlooked.

To keep this from being overly long, I won't be providing comprehensive sources for specific lines, but this theory largely involves interpreting the following as potential foreshadowing and parallels:

Moon Gazing, Remuria/Sea of Bygone Eras, The Black Nacre and the All-Devouring Kraken, Wings of Delicacies, Gnostic Chorus teaser, Athame Artis, and Simulanka. There are several other smaller things, and some of those I mention in the outline for additional context. If anything needs further clarification regarding sources, please let me know and I'll do my best to provide the exact lines I'm using as a source, along with my reasoning/interpretation.

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With that being said, here is the outline for this theory:

  • Phanes is both of the "crowned heirs" seen in the Gnostic Chorus teaser, and Aether and Lumine are supposed to be parallels of them.
  • The "glorious kingdom" at the beginning is Celestia.
  • The "Genesis Pearl" is a planet-sized stellar blackbody entity (foreshadowed in Moon Gazing), also known as Phanes "eggshell".
  • The first "crowned heir" seeks out the Genesis Pearl, only to be "devoured" by it.
  • The crowned heirs' homeworld is destroyed, and the second heir uses Celestia as an ark to find a new world for humanity and search for his lost sister.
  • He comes across the Genesis Pearl, somehow manages to subdue/tame it, and discovers his sister within.
  • At some point - while inside the entity - these two heirs fuse together into a single being, whom we know of as "Phanes" ("birthed from an egg, androgynous in nature" -Before Sun and Moon).
  • After taming the entity, they use Celestia's central spire as a "lighthouse" (see: Simulanka, "The Moon" Lunar Arcana, and Nicole's Beyond Silver and Fine Gold quests).
  • The "lighthouse" is used as a lure to attract beings for the entity and Phanes to "devour", in order to become stronger - like a cosmic anglerfish. Surtalogi and his "pet" All-devouring Narwhal act as a parallel in some ways.
  • Nibelung is attracted to the "lure" (his "recklessness" described in Hymns of the Far North), and is captured and imprisoned within the entity's "shell", AKA the "false sky".
  • Phanes learns of Teyvat from Nibelung's memories, and begins heading there.
  • The dragons witness the approach of the entity:

>Records Left in the Terminal: "...Observations of the intermittently visible celestial body indicate a tenuous atmosphere on its surface... No signs of life activity have been detected so far, though parts of its surface structures do not appear to be naturally formed..."

  • Decades later, Phanes and the entity arrive during the dragons' test of the lunar veil on the Frost Moon. Their impact pierces the veil, destroying Lusalim's Lunar Veil Laboratory and creating the Moontide Sea.
  • The entity "devours" Teyvat and its moons by enclosing them within its body (Before Sun and Moon).
  • Lusalim hands over all of the research that has been done on the Frost Moon to Phanes.
  • Phanes modifies Irminsul with the Lunar Veil technology, causing it to generate a veil around the entity (the second "barrier"/"layer" -Celestial Gift and Aubade of Morningstar and Moon).
  • Phanes used the research involving "cognitive hazards" to apply one to the veil, causing those who see the entity from outside to perceive it as a barren, lifeless planet (seen in the Miliastra Wonderland trailer).

https://preview.redd.it/5dli2jruvnch1.png?width=3166&format=png&auto=webp&s=676157bc96d17336c200cb4028ff3b30f602564a

  • Phanes constructs a mechanism to drain the Primordial Sea and use it as fuel to expand the range of the cognitive hazard's effects.
  • Nibelung - who has been imprisoned within the entity's "shell" the entire time - is used by Phanes as a crucible, using his body to turn light realm energy into elemental energy.
  • The Traveler twins' ship makes its first pass over Teyvat at some point between the arrival of Phanes and now. The Traveler's sibling presumably disembarks for unknown reasons, and Phanes removes the AI from the ship along with samples from the genetic vault, and uses the ship's capabilities to terraform Teyvat. Phanes alters the logs on the ship to show that it only briefly passed over ("Some of the data is corrupted" -Aether). The ship then enters orbit around Teyvat for the next few thousand years.
  • Phanes fashions the ship AI into their "golden harp" to control Teyvat's newly implemented system of "fate". (Etherlight Spindlelute)
  • This new system forces "fate" down a single, controlled path, which creates additional Abyssal energy as a "waste" byproduct. (Alice's lines regarding "unchosen fates" and the Abyss)
  • Phanes feeds this Abyssal energy back into Nibelung, which is then converted into usable energy for Teyvat, which continues to produce more Abyssal energy from its system of fate, which gets fed back into Nibelung, and so on...
  • And thus, Phanes creates a "perpetual motion machine" capable of producing an infinite amount of energy.
  • Phanes uses this infinite energy to expand the range of the cognitive hazard's effects to the entire universe.

>...To make something's existence pass for common sense within a world, and thus stifle any curiosity to look deeper, the foundational laws of reality must first pervade that world. Scaling this boundary up to the entire universe, however, would require those laws to span the entire cosmos. Naturally, the latter is utterly impossible.
- Nu-Ur-Gestug, Index: Researches Concerning Cognition

  • An "inverse cognitive hazard" is applied to the interior of the entity itself in order for Phanes impose their "rules" (their "Reason") on the world. This may be related to the "fog of reason" (Men of Lithin), and may be why Teyvat is described as "inverted", and why the Shades "abide no reason". (Regarding the Four Shades: "Inverse Cognitive Hazards: A Comparative Study of Four Types of Interdiction and Countermeasure" -Index: Researches Concerning Cognition)
  • Over time, Nibelung became corrupted by having Abyssal energies constantly fed into him.
  • Nibelung eventually broke free (or was freed by someone -Simulanka, Athame Artis). He tore through the eggshell, destroyed Celestia's "lighthouse" (see: "The Moon" Lunar Arcana, Simulanka), and began the War of Funerary Flame. From the perspective of those on Teyvat, Nibelung would have appeared to have "returned" from beyond the false sky - when in reality, he was simply imprisoned within it.
  • Nibelung was "annihilated". Phanes returned to using the Primordial Sea as a power source. ("But today, the Primordial Sea no longer exists on the planet's surface" - Neuvillette)
  • Visions may be a new potential energy source:

>...the Seven Archons still had to impart a shattered shard of their mastery to that person. And when one so gifted completed their duty... the gift the gods would receive in return would be more abundant still.
- Neuvillette

  • At some point - possibly around when Aether awoke in Mondstadt - Phanes (who if you recall is the merged "Phanes twins") separated their female half from themselves (or a fragment of her), whom we know as Paimon. Remember the first crowned heir in the the Gnostic Chorus trailer?

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Additional notes:

  • The planet-sized blackbody entity may have been the world these "black stellar entities" originate from. This world may be Throgg, and Ysna'qurel may have merged with the world and became its will. (Moongazer's Engraving)
  • Regarding cognitive hazards, an alternative scenario may involve Phanes using the perpetual motion machine to apply a cognitive hazard to the entire universe itself rather than the veil, with the Four Shades serving as the "Four Types of Interdiction and Countermeasure", creating an "inverse cognitive hazard" within the microcosm, preventing those within from being affected by it.
  • Phanes may have used the research involving turning Ungien and Maagees into "artificial kuuhenki" to create angels, which may be a fusion of blackbody matter and dragons. For example:
  1. Angels who keep their wisdom become seelie, which look extremely similar to Kuuhenki.
  2. Angels who keep their power become dragons, like Ursa.
  3. The black Kuuhenki are called "messengers". The word "angel" is based off of the Greek word for messenger, "angelos".
  4. Angels have frequent associations or references to "silk". Blackbody matter is described as "variegated, filamentous". In other words, iridescent and stringy. Like silk. And the false sky is made of this matter, of which the constellations are a part of. Which control the "threads" of fate. Etherwing moths were also "...born from the feathers of angels..."
  5. Additionally, the part of Skirk's emotions that she severed from herself looks very similar to Kuuhenki/Seelie, and it even has a symbol on its back that is extremely similar to the one on Nicole's back. Skirk also has little "wings" on her back. Perhaps Skirk's people had fused with blackbody entities at some point in the past, and could potentially explain how Skirk's people could adapt to any energy source, including the Abyss.

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  • Genshin features several "gold" and "silver" character pairs, which would make the the "Phanes twins" "silver", and the Traveler twins "gold". Note their hair colors, which is the strongest evidence that the heirs in the teaser are not Aether and Lumine, like many suspect.
  • The fate of the universe itself causes the Traveler twins to parallel the actions of the Phanes twins, similar to what we see on Teyvat with fate repeating itself through character "archetypes". Both pairs of twins are destined to interact with the same "eggshell-entity", with the first twin destined to arrive thousands of years before the second. Both twin pairs presumably lose their homeworld to the Abyss, and travel the universe in an "ark", searching for a new world for humanity.
  • Dainsleif acts as a narrator in many videos, and he may be quoting Phanes in the Travail teaser. If this is the case, then this line could be the male half of Phanes (the second heir) referring to Paimon (the first heir) - especially considering how it's being implied/foreshadowed a lot lately that something bad is going to happen to her in the near future:

>Defeat me, command me to step aside, show me that you are worthier than I to rescue her.

  • The structure of the Frost Moon acts as a microcosm of Teyvat's microcosm:

Frost Moon:

Archeolune core --> Generator --> Elevator --> Surface --> Tree (of which the elevator is inside) --> Veil --> Space station, which connects to the elevator

Teyvat:

Primordial Sea --> "Perpetual Motion Machine" --> 7-tiered steps/helix-shaped divine ladder --> Surface --> Irminsul --> False Sky/"eggshell" --> Celestia (the central spire is the "lighthouse" that connects to the steps/ladder. The Celestia we see is likely a projection, and the real one is probably outside the false sky)

And regarding the space elevator in the tree (which had circuit-like patterns on it, like Irminsul's heart) in Ungien's Circle, remember what the inside of Irminsul looked like as we were falling through it?

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Anyways, that's everything. Please let me know what you think, and if you have any feedback I can use for the final version!

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u/AudieMurphy135 — 1 month ago

Weekend Lore Infographic #1: The Tsaritsa's family tree and related lore, characters, and events (Additional info in comments)

u/AudieMurphy135 — 2 months ago

The curious interconnected symbolism between Khaenri'ah, Istaroth, Voyager, and potentially the Chroniclers (Additional info/context in comments)

u/AudieMurphy135 — 2 months ago

Everybody's been debating whether or not the Tsaritsa might be a Bronya, Ana, or Elysia expy, but I have yet to see someone suggest another possibility - a Seele expy

So first, this is going to involve some DEEP LORE ^tm , along with a few theories of mine that I've discussed over on r/Genshin_Lore in the past. They're necessary to provide context for this.


First - The Tsaritsa may be possessed by Koitar. There are two major things that support this: Fischl (the character created by Mr. Nine) and Legend of the Shattered Halberd. Mr. Nine was once an angel, and is essentially Nicole's "ghost" writer, meaning anything she writes is likely an allegory for ancient, major historical events and people. We also learn from part two of Nicole's weekly quests that (6.6 spoilers) >!she knows the identities of Voyager and Koitar, as before she tells their story she says, "Let me just think how best to protect the identity of those involved"!<. We learn from Fischl's Witch's Homework quest that angels are capable of possessing people.

Mr. Nine is both the author of Legend of the Shattered Halberd and the creator of the character Fischl, the latter of which appears at the end of the former. This story is likely an allegory for the events surrounding the Third Descender. In this story, the Celestial Emperor's daughter possesses a woman named Weiyang. Because of everything we learned above, there's a strong possibility that the Celestial Emperor is a stand-in for the Heavenly Principles, and their "daughter" is Koitar. Because this story likely involves the Third Descender (who was likely the hero Ajax), of which Mir is the stand-in for, this would mean the most likely candidate for Weiyang would be Pakkaisukko's daughter/Snegurochka. One common theory is that this person is Anastasya, and going with that theory, it would mean that Koitar may be possessing the Tsaritsa.

At the end of the story, the Celestial Emperor's daughter becomes Fischl. Fischl and Oz (the characters) are likely allegories for Koitar and Voyager, respectively. There's a lot of other interesting details to go into, but those aren't really important to the point of this post, and I want to avoid this becoming an even more massive wall of text. This part from Fischl's profile is important, as it aligns with the Tsaritsa's desire to rebel against Celestia and burn away the old world.

>At the very end, at the end of karma itself, she will grant all the gathered souls her benediction, and use her Thundering Retribution to cleanse all that is ugly and wicked. > >The Prinzessin will then set her own heart ablaze, and the universe shall be born anew in its immortal light.


Second - The SAMPO's Collaborative Control Module (CCM) may be the Tsaritsa's scepter. There are several instances of a "SAMPO-analogue" in many stories throughout the game. Curiously, though, is that it's almost always depicted as a stick-like object (e.g. a club, sword, branch, scepter, spear, etc.), but not an orb. It's also occasionally described as depleted/broken, and is sometimes used to strike the main character's opponent in the head.

There are also several things that tie into shepherds, crooks, Jesus, caduceus, Apollo, and how Voyager is described as a "saint" and "apostle", along with Odin (e.g. Gungnir), but again, this is another deep rabbit hole. The tl;dr is that the SAMPO is an orb, and the CCM may be a staff/scepter that interfaces with it. Regarding Gungnir, it is a spear that is "known for always hitting the target of the attacker regardless of the attacker's skill". Interestingly, there is another weapon in Norse mythology that is similar in that sense - Laevateinn, which is described as "sure-striking dart/arrow".

Much like the SAMPO-analogues found throughout various stories, Laevateinn is also described as being various types of weapons or objects, such as a wand, sword (sometimes flaming), staff, dart, arrow, twig, cudgel, and also... a mistletoe - the same one that killed Baldr, Mistilteinn. If that name sounds familiar, it's because "Mistilteinn" was mentioned as being connected to the Tsaritsa's "Project Stuzha". And wouldn't you know it, the Tsaritsa is also described by Venti as carrying a scepter, which can be seen on her statue from the 7.0 preview. I also have a gut feeling that the CCM is constructed from an Irminsul branch, considering all of the stick-like forms.

Oh, and remember Legend of the Shattered Halberd from earlier? Mir possesses a flaming sword that's also called Laevateinn.

Another interesting tidbit: In Norse mythology, Mistilteinn originally belonged to Thrain, which is Capitano's name.

Regarding those stories, here's something I've been working on. It's still incomplete, but it should give you a rough idea of my train of thought. I suspect that these stories involve the King of Winter Icelea (The Belyi Tsar) and the King of Midsommar Oak - his younger brother whom he accidentally killed - who I suspect is Ajax/Saarelainen, the Third Descender: https://i.postimg.cc/FhDG1tF1/Hidden-Story-5.png


And finally, Third - Voyager may have been the "god of light" that created the body of the primordial human "in their own likeness" mentioned in the Temple of Space. The "king of darkness" may have been the Heavenly Principles. Voyager may have intended to use it as her new body, but it was stolen by the Heavenly Principles. The Feline Firm found in the Imaginarium Theatre may be an allegory for this event (for example, the boss cat who likes to sleep = HP, the enforcer cat with the "full-sleeve tattoo" = Asmoday, with her "corrupted" looking left arm, and the white longhair cat that they kidnap = primordial human body). There are several instances of stories that seem to involve cats being used as an metaphor for Celestia, along with characters shapeshifting into cats.

After the death of the body that Voyager was possessing, her consciousness may have entered the stolen body she had created, only to be shackled and enslaved by the Heavenly Principles, becoming Istaroth, the Ruler of Time - fitting, considering that her people, the chroniclers, "conquered time and space". Yes, this is an actual possibility, and there's a surprising amount of things that line up with this. I have a chain of four comments here that go into most of what I have uncovered so far: https://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Lore/comments/1tknouo/the_voyagers_visual_design_and_the_future_of_the/onazst5/?context=3

A few quick examples: Hymns of the Far North states that she is "the only outsider in the sacred courtyard of the gods", the Byakyakuko Collection describes her as "the one and only primordial child", and she's the only Shade who has a "crown", much like how the angels' crowns are their "shackles". The symbol seen on Asmoday's cubes that is also seen in association with Naberius and Ronova is completely absent on Istaroth or her depictions.


Alright, so with all of that context out of the way, we can move on.

The main reason I think the Tsaritsa could potentially be a Seele expy, is because Koitar possessing the Tsaritsa would fit with the relation between Seele and Dark Seele (aka "Veliona"), with Koitar essentially being the Tsaritsa's "Dark Seele".

And as the Tsaritsa will need a Goetic demon name, there's actually one that fits perfectly:

Seere

The Tsaritsa's name is Anastasya, which means "resurrection". Seele is the Herrscher of Rebirth.

Additionally, Hoyo has a pattern of releasing things related to variants of the same character in different games simultaneously. For example, the banner for Elysia's new battlesuit in HI3 ran concurrently with the release of Cyrene in HSR. And just recently, the banner for a new Divine Key for Bronya's Silverwing N-EX battlesuit ran concurrently with the new Silver Wolf LV.999 in HSR.

And guess who's getting a new battlesuit in HI3's next update? That's right, Seele. And while the banner for this new battlesuit will end on August 7th, and Snezhnaya releases on August 12th, their versions will still overlap for over a week.

Here's the trailer for the new battlesuit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tN8Gl86kPtU

In it, the devs also mention how her battlesuit is inspired by "ancient Greek designs". Another dev also says:

>"If there's one phrase that can capture her image, it'd probably be a battle angel." > >To those suffering from illness, Seele is as gentle as an angel, able to heal the minds and bodies of all living things. > >She also possesses the power to purify and destroy all that threatens them. > >While protecting her companions, she inspires fear in any enemy who stands before her.

Hoyo loves dropping sneaky little hints and references to their other games, so my lore-addled brain just can't ignore something like that. :V

And wait, Seele's new weapon looks kinda...

https://i.postimg.cc/kndmBn16/image.png

...like how I imagine the SAMPO+CCM to be.

I'M ONTO YOU HOYO. I KNOW YOUR WICKED SCHEMES.


Oh, and you may be wondering why I brought up that "Voyageroth" theory, and how it even relates to this.

Well... remember how Koitar regained her memories? Because a certain wolf reminded her of Voyager?

Remember how Bronya was once called the "Silver Wolf of the Urals"?

And how both Voyager and Bronya are capable of creating extremely advanced technology?

...And how Bronya/Seele were born in Russia/Estonia, and how Voyager/Koitar/Tsaritsa were/are all leaders in Genshin's Russia-inspired region?

Koitar/Voyager might just be Seele/Bronya variants.

But how does Bronya relate to "Voyageroth", you ask?

Hmmmm... maybe...

https://i.postimg.cc/4Z3mJ5hs/image.png

>Istoria: It tells of the god of light who created a body in its own likeness [...]

Hope you enjoyed this somewhat cracky idea!

u/AudieMurphy135 — 2 months ago

Thought experiment: Perhaps the twins' ship was one of a pair - PAIMON and PHANES, twin "sister ships"

So this isn't really a theory, but more of a thought experiment. A "what if" scenario to brainstorm ideas. I do this quite a bit when doing my lore deep dives, and it sometimes leads to some interesting discoveries, rabbit holes, or avenues of thought I hadn't considered. As such, almost everything here is speculation.

The twins and the Heavenly Principles originating from the same world isn't a terribly uncommon theory, and this is based off of that idea.


So here's the premise for this scenario:

The twins' ship was part of a pair. Two "sister ships" ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sister_ship ), PAIMON and PHANES, each of them being an AI of their respective ship. PAIMON is the ship that carried the twins, while PHANES acted as an escort ship (and possibly as a backup), as the twins are implied to have been royalty from their homeworld. Like Aether and Lumine, these two ships were also "twins". They both traveled together through space for at least thousands of years, searching for a new world for humanity. At some point, they had a run-in with the Abyss-corrupted Nibelung, an encounter which ultimately led to their separation - possibly caused by one of the ships entering an Abyssal rift. In other words, Nibelung was their "Asmoday".

After their separation, PHANES became extremely depressed and melancholic ("melancholy" being one of the main themes of Genshin) due to its loneliness. It became obsessive in its task to find a suitable world for humanity (a mirror of the Abyss Twin attempting to resurrect Khaenri'ah), and its encounter with Nibelung made it extremely paranoid in regards to the Abyss. Since Nibelung must have come from a habitable world, PHANES used the information gathered during its encounter to trace and locate Teyvat. It eventually succeeded in locating the world, and proceeded with terraforming and colonizing it as described in Before Sun and Moon.

PAIMON continued on its travels, while also trying to find its own "twin" (a mirror of the Traveler searching for their sibling). It uses the same method to locate Teyvat, and eventually makes its first pass over the world. This is likely the time when the Abyss Twin disembarked, as suspected by the Traveler. When this happened, and how the ship bypassed the false sky is unknown.

Thousands of years later, When the Heavenly Principles (PHANES) moved the twins' ship to the Frost Moon, they reunited with PAIMON. HP felt pity towards PAIMON, and turned her into the Paimon that we know, both so she no longer has to experience the pain of loneliness and separation, but also to alter her so that she subconsciously "guides" the Traveler - her memories were wiped/blocked to prevent the Traveler from learning the "truth" too early. HP is slowly dying, and intends to have the Traveler take over their role.

>The keeper is fading away; the creator has not yet come. > >But the world shall burn no more, for you shall ascend.


And that's more or less the premise. This hypothetical scenario could also be used to explain certain things:

  • The existence of the third hibernation chamber key without invoking a bootstrap paradox. It could just be an unused key from the other ship.

  • The existence of Inteyvat flowers on Teyvat.

  • The similar white/gold/blue color schemes between Celestia and the twins' technology, and the Traveler's immediate understanding of teleport waypoints:

>Odd devices that are scattered across Teyvat, seemingly forming a certain order. People on the continent see them as ancient gimmicks — they are accustomed to their existence despite not knowing their purpose. To the foreign traveler, however, their function becomes quite apparent.

Related: More HP-related symbolism - https://i.postimg.cc/B4gdSGRf/hp-owl-faces-3.png


Other speculative possibilities:

  • There may be parallels between HP and Capitano. Perhaps HP carried the souls of humanity in their "heart" similar to Capitano. Both are fond of long naps.

  • Perhaps PAIMON's first pass over Teyvat occurred shortly after PHANES arrived, before they had created the false sky. PHANES forcibly assimilated PAIMON, which resulted in HP's "androgynous" nature. After the Cataclysm and the return of the twins' ship, along with the Traveler becoming a Descender upon entering Teyvat, HP saw a better solution. They separated PAIMON from themselves and turned her into the Paimon we know, followed by the events already described at the end of the premise.


I'm sure there's other stuff I'm forgetting or haven't thought of yet. I'll add any updates below this line if I think of anything.

u/AudieMurphy135 — 2 months ago

A curious chain of connections between Amber and Etherwing Moths - An infographic related to Geo, memory, and space.

u/AudieMurphy135 — 2 months ago

Phanes may have been the Heavenly Principles' "Phobos"

>Haha, well that definitely does not stop her from being able to Dump a whole lot of lore-related stories into our heads... > >Like the one where Nibelung tries to assassinate Phanes

Alice's choice of the world "assassinate" has been living rent-free in my head, but yesterday I connected it to something I was recently looking into. A few weeks ago I was investigating the possibility of Remus being an allegory for HP. Remus teamed up with Scylla to defeat Phobos, but Scylla was captured and sealed before Remus activated the self-destruct, which destroyed Remuria with a flood.

With this, combined with Alice's comment, I can't help but wonder if Phanes could have been the Heavenly Principles' "Phobos"? Their "harp", so to speak? As a thought experiment, if we look at the events of Remuria as close to a 1:1 allegory as possible, then we can interpret the following possibilities:

  • HP created Phanes to act in their place while they had their nappy time.

  • After a while, Phanes went a little batshit, HP woke up from the suffering of their people, and then conspired with Nibelung to destroy Phanes.

  • HP activated the self-destruct, but Phanes sealed Nibelung away "beneath the tall tower" (There may be a related theory here involving Irminsul being Nibelung's tail), and so Nibelung couldn't control the release of (presumably) Abyssal energy, which led to Teyvat being flooded by the Abyss, and is why Nibelung was blamed as the source of the corruption.

Phanes created a fake history after usurping the Heavenly Principles, which is why knowledge of that era is banned, e.g. Before Sun and Moon. It's also why they've been described as "androgynous" and "capricious", as they're literally two different entities, with one created to act in the other's place.

And while Remus was killed when he activated the self-destruct, I suspect that wasn't the case with the Heavenly Principles. Perhaps Paimon is what's left of them, similar to Marchosius/Guoba, or perhaps Paimon is HP's "Luonnotar", or something to that effect. Hmmmmm...

[6.6 Artifact Leaks] >!Also, the "barbarians" teaming up with the Vishaps in Remuria lines up with the new artifact lore where dragons and Hyperboreans fought together against HP.!<


I also wonder if the Remuria questline could be foreshadowing for the future. Perhaps we will free Nibelung with the assistance of Koitar/Tsaritsa, then team up with Nibelung to defeat Phanes? Or something along those lines...

So far I'm thinking the parallels might be:

  • Remus = HP

  • Scylla = Nibelung

  • Phobos = Phanes

  • Cassiodor/Osse = Koitar/Tsaritsa (involves the theory of Koitar possessing the Tsaritsa)

  • Boethius = Alynas, the Second Angel

  • Initium Iani ("Entrance of Janus") = Irminsul

    • This is where Scylla is sealed.
  • Passage of Ianus ("Passage of Janus") = Passage to Celestia (I do wonder if the rainbow bridge in that one mural in Veluriyam Mirage is an allegory for this, see below image)

  • Domus Aureus = Celestia

https://i.postimg.cc/CwNDgYtP/Rainbow-Bridge-Capturing-Light-and-Shadow-GI.png

Hmmmmm...

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Wings_of_the_Silent_Moon

> To kill the enemy, the Snow-King would need to find a fissure buried deep in the earth's darkest strata. Within that crack lay a tree that grew downward. Upon the tree's tower-like branches perched a raven. Within the raven's belly lay a snow-white hare. In the hare's eyes was a door. And if he opened that door, a world as black as spilled ink would pour forth, swallowing both heaven and earth. In that world, everything was still. There was no light, and no sound. The Snow-King would have to cross that silent realm alone and, at its lightless heart, find an egg.

u/AudieMurphy135 — 3 months ago

[6.6+7.0 Livestream] Cryo's "ice" may not be ice, but rather a form of jade, and Irminsul's heart may be comprised of jade. In other words, Irminsul may be an embodiment of "Rimegrass"

Contains spoilers from the 6.6 livestream, and the Snezhnaya Behind the Scenes livestream.


So the other day, someone I know half-jokingly mentioned that Irminsul could be Nibelung's tail, based on a discussion about Azhdaha, where it was brought up how the Dragon-Queller tree is his tail. Anyways, the tip and inside of this tree is made of jade, and the roots of the tree are connected to the ley lines. One of the Azhdaha's drops is the Bloodjade Branch.

https://i.postimg.cc/7qySCSw-m/Dragon-Queller.webp

https://i.postimg.cc/WpZYhcmP/Item-Bloodjade-Branch.webp

(Side note: We also see this same shade of jade in the "jade plate" that comprises the blade in: Fractured Halo, Ineffa's signature weapon - https://i.postimg.cc/FFSC7Xb4/Weapon-Fractured-Halo.webp )

During the behind the scenes video for Snezhnaya, they mentioned that:

>When we think of Cryo, we can frame it around the idea of "preservation". If it preserves energy, it can function like a kind of battery. If it stores memories, it becomes a medium for storing and reproducing information.

This immediately reminded me of Irminsul, as Irminsul acts as a repository for Teyvat's history and memories. It preserves them. I also recalled that the Cryo ascension gem is the Shivada Jade Gemstone. And then it hit me:

Cryo's power over "ice" isn't actually ice, but rather "jade."

Irminsul is also associated with Dendro. And we know from Imaginarium Theatre that Cryo + Dendro = Rimegrass.

In today's livestream, we also see Nahida collapsed on the floor, on a pattern that resembles the Cryo symbol. All of the petals and protrusions are in sets of six:

https://i.postimg.cc/nFqdmpNh/cryo-nahida.png

Since Cryo is "preservation" and Dendro is "wisdom", then Irminsul being associated with both elements makes sense, since it preserves knowledge.

And what does Rimegrass react with? Electro. And in today's livestream, we see exactly this in action, an icy tree with electricity flowing through it:

https://i.postimg.cc/66wMLFNq/rimegrass-electro.png

It's also visible in distance in this shot: https://i.postimg.cc/RSw-Pt42t/snezhnaya-2.png

And its colors look extremely similar to Irminsul's heart: https://i.postimg.cc/wqNLFtpd/Inside-Irminsul.webp

We can also see this icy blue color in the Irminsul Sprout item: https://i.postimg.cc/Z5VW2B9B/irminsul-sprout.png

Way back during the Sumeru preview, it was stated that there are "three key words in the design of the Dendro element that is "catalysis," "wisdom," and "life."".

Due to Dendro primarily reacting with electro and hydro, this means that Dendro = Wisdom ("information/knowledge"), Hydro = Life, and Electro = Catalysis ("change").

Rimegrass is "Wisdom" and "Preservation" reacting with "Catalysis". Or in other words, Electro catalyzes preserved knowledge to bring forth change. And during the livestream, they also mentioned that:

>Cryo will be able to destroy, shatter, and even reshape the battlefield terrain > >... > >When we think of Cryo, we can frame it around the idea of "preservation". If it preserves energy, it can function like a kind of battery. If it stores memories, it becomes a medium for storing and reproducing information. Of course, our designers' imagination probably goes far beyond what I've just described. For instance, what if Cryo were to seal away some kind of ancient, forbidden power or concept, and hide it from the world? And then the Traveler finds a way to tap into those sealed forces to gain an advantage? Wait, I think I've said a bit too much.

And a quick, final side note/speculation that may be related: In Dragonspine, there are deposits of Ancient Rime that can only be destroyed by Scarlet Quartz. Pyro has no effect on them, so perhaps these are manifestations of Cryo's jade?


Edit: Also, I wonder if there's some relation to the fact that the only two dragon sovereigns who haven't been revealed yet are the Electro and Cryo ones (or at the very least, don't have a likely candidate). Interestingly, the "Coral Defenders"/"Bathysmal Vishap Herd" are Cryo and Electro vishaps, and they have a combined special attack... foreshadowing, perhaps?

https://i.postimg.cc/kqWK7vBM/Enemy-Bathysmal-Vishap-Herd.webp


Edit 2:

To add another little cherry on top, something I just realized:

The respective elements of each Shade's authority is generally thought to be:

  • Life - Hydro

  • Death - Pyro

  • Time - Anemo

  • Space - Geo

Which means that the three remaining elements are Cryo, Dendro, and Electro. Just like with this theory. And so I can't help but wonder if perhaps those three elements are associated with the authority of "Reason"? Because where I said...

>Rimegrass is "Wisdom" and "Preservation" reacting with "Catalysis". Or in other words, Electro catalyzes preserved knowledge to bring forth change.

...could also be interpreted as "preserving and applying knowledge". Which sounds pretty reason-y to me!

u/AudieMurphy135 — 3 months ago

I've had a hunch for a while now that there may be deeper connection to these characters names. Earlier today, I was re-reading it for the millionth time, and decided to look at their names in CN. I saw that Sachi's name in CN can be pronounced as either "sachi" or "saji", and upon seeing the latter, my brain automatically thought of "Sagittarius".

Along this train of thought, I started investigating constellations and found that all of the characters in this book seem to be named after a constellation, with Vera, Sachi, and Ike being named after constellations that border Delphinus. All of the characters' names seem to have a syllable or two truncated from the beginning or end of the constellation they seem to be named after. I'm using this for the CN text: https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary

https://i.postimg.cc/tqwLgmWz/vera-constellations.png

  • Delphi = 德尔斐 - dé ěr ​fěi - Delphinus / Delphini (Dolphin)

    • Delphi is Vera's hometown.
  • Vera = 薇拉 - wēi la - Aquila / Aquilae (Eagle)

    • "ui" in pinyin is pronounced like "way", which is why "wei" is used for the "ui" in Aquila.
  • Sachi = 萨奇 - sà jī - Sagitta / Sagittae (Arrow)

    • 奇 can also be pronounced qí (chi), hence "Sachi"
  • Ike = 艾克 - yì kè (ee-kuh) - Equuleus / Equulei (Little Horse)

    • 艾 can also be pronounced ài ("eye"), hence "Ike"

Regarding the other characters:


  • Tal = 塔尔 tǎ ěr - Taurus / Tauri (Bull)

    • Possibly related: Tal is described as a blue slime, and slimes in Genshin have horns.

Lebannin - This one's a bit tricky, and I'm not 100% certain on it.

列班宁 - liè​ bān ning

Nothing stood out constellation-wise, so I looked at the JP text to see if that would help.

リバンニ - Ribanni (Rivanni)

Alright, now we have something to work with, as Eridanus / Eridani fits that pretty well, although not as perfectly as the others:

  • Lebannin = 列班宁 - liè​ bān ning - Eridani (River)

Princess Andro-Basilisks is more straightforward, since Andro = Andromeda. While the Andromeda Empire is from the Andromeda Galaxy, Andromeda is also a constellation.


###Speculation corner:

Basilisk is interesting, because it originates from the Greek work "βασιλίσκος" (basiliskos), which can mean "little prince". I recall seeing several people speculating that Kleiner may have been the author of Vera's Melancholy, based on the new volumes in the Temple of Space, and I've also seen several people mention him in regards to a story called "The Little Prince": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Prince

I do wonder if there could be a possible connection here?

βασιλίσκος can also refer to the star Regulus, along with certain types of birds:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%B2%CE%B1%CF%83%CE%B9%CE%BB%CE%AF%CF%83%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%82

Finally, there is a constellation called "Vela", which could also fit "Vera", but it does not have a missing syllable like the others, so I get the feeling this might not be it.

As for potential deeper meanings to the characters possibly being named after these specific constellations, I'm not sure. It's something I would have to look into deeper. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know!

u/AudieMurphy135 — 4 months ago