u/TheOnlyFeole

The Frost Giant, Eitr and "unfinished" Descender.

At this point, all of you should've finished the quest about the chained Frost Giant in Snezhnaya.

In the quest, we learned that it is about a Snegovik who fell in love with a human. They were supposed to marry but the Snegovik was drafted to a war. They didn't see each other for a long time, and no one knows what REALLY happened to them.

We freed the Frost Giant with the help of the "spirit" of his lover and assisted him until we reached the light house where he's supposed to meet his lover, but there was no woman to meet. Instead, a "frozen" shadow appeared that takes the form of the woman. The traveler said that the frozen shadow was a manifestation of the Snegovik's wishes to meet his lover again.

So, what actually happened to them?

From the very beginning, the spirit of the Snegovik's lover who assisted us in releasing the chains that bind the Snegovik could've been the lingering "will" of the woman. We witnessed how the woman tried her best to meet her lover, and a compassionate Snegurochka actually assisted her.

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Lady Pavlina banned the woman to meet the Snegovik. And we also learn, that the Snegovik's name is Donskoy, who was said to be "slumbering".

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But we all know that before she could even meet him, she was stopped by the other Snegurochka and branded a sword against her. It was only in the quest that we were able to "interfere" and stop them, but in the past, she wasn't able to get through them.

The real reason to this slumber is simple. Lady Pavlina had used Eitr to "modify" Donskoy.

Snegoviks doesn't have the ability to turn into a giant. That is beyond the capabilities of their race. But the usage of "Eitr" could make it possible.

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Now, what is the Eitr?

It was first mentioned in the artifact "Disenchantment in Deep Shadow":

>Countless days and nights of toil passed, as the Snow-King's company was driven through an unending succession of forbidden acts and descents into the ruins of ancient civilizations,
all to trace the faint outline of a dream once shaped by a primordial golden realm, and bring forth a vast embryo long hidden in shadow.

This particular part is also in the "Notes by a Certain Noble Individual" which we all know is the Tsar.

>...Foray four hundred and forty-six: The records found alongside the Embryonic-Ichoric-Telluric-Rudiment, or "Eitr" for short, have provided a sufficiently clear picture of the matter, which is noted as follows...

The Eye of Graeae also gave us a brief description of the Eitr:

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But how was the Eitr created?

In the "Notes by a Certain Individual", the Tsar finds out that Anarchasis (Voyager) was looking for the Primal Light:

>...The Saint had come to Hyperborea in search of that light from the very genesis of the world, a fragment left behind at its inception. It is a light that is undissipated hope itself, a light that holds the potential to illuminate the entire cosmos. From what I have seen of it projected in that house of ministry, it is also the very same light that brought about my birth...

In the artifact "Disenchantment of Deep Shadow", it stated the following:

>There was a time when primordial venom and primal light clashed in a corner unseen by the heavens' gaze.

>If a love, a fervor, and an ambition just greater than the world itself were to take shape — they had to be born and kindled in a place unseen by any eye.

>It was a design that could not endure the slightest deviation in its course, and an experiment that stood but a hair's breadth from world-spanning madness.

>It was almost as if someone had stayed the hand of fate itself, forcing coin toss after coin toss until the desired outcome was reached.

>Or perhaps, only through upheaval at the periphery can certain possibilities pass through layer upon layer of constraint, and be captured and brought into being by a plan most absurd.

This tells us that Anarchasis was able to find the Primal Light (possibly with the help of the Angels), and it does tell us how HARD it is to create the Eitr. This passage tells us that the Eitr CANNOT be made in Teyvat.

Teyvat runs on a "single, linear fate" which is governed by Heimarmene.

The creation of Eitr is led by Anarchasis (Voyager), and she possibly created the Shadow Realm because she needs a place unseen by the Heavenly Principles. A place where fate isn't bound. A place where infinite possibilities still exists.

>...Might this stem from the fact that the Shadow Realm teems with possibilities yet unobserved? Should we follow this hypothesis, the relationship between the Shadow Realm and the Abyss may be one that is fundamentally antithetical and mutually repellent, explaining why the realm has remained untainted to this day...

So the Eitr was made, but how does it work?

>The Eitr has changed everything. It is as if we have obtained the final form of the Prime Chimeric Nexus.

>It is like a living bio-furnace that can devour any living embryo without limitations.

>And its products are nothing like the previous Chimeric Beasts, which had to undergo nurturing cycles to await their growth and harmonization before reaching a completed stage.

>Instead, the Eitr swallows, then fully absorbs the embryos, and directly reconstructs their biological traits. And even with that, the number of circulatory systems remains but one.

>This must have been the foundation stone for developing a sort of perfect life form.

In simpler terms, it's a bio furnace that absorbs two or more things then spits one thing out without any complications. It's a hundred steps ahead of Koschei's bio-alchemy where he needs an artificial chimeric nexus just to combine two lifeforms into one.

In one of the flashbacks, Pavlina describes the Eitr:

>Pavlina: It is the remnant of some forbidden experiments conducted during the age of Hyperborea... It possesses unimaginable power, and its composition is complex...

>Pavlina: Within it is not only some peculiar... flesh, but also the power of the Light Realm that has been modified to specialize in acts of creation, as well as...

>Pavlina: In short, it possesses unimaginable power. It comes into contact with life, and alters it...

>Pavlina: Then, these life-forms will gradually shift toward a certain tendency, ultimately converging into a single pattern.

Basically, Pavlina used the Eitr on Donskoy, which altered his biology and turned him into the Frost Giant. In the Snegovik's lore, there's a legend about him:

>A Snegovik born of love amid the snow and ice.
Male Snegovik are natural-born knights, and most are born able to freely forge weapons from ice and snow.

>Legend tells that during the Belyi Tsar's campaign against the dark tide, a Snegovik serving as his guard unleashed a power that didn't belong to his kind, transforming into a towering giant.

>Though his final fate remains unknown, one who violated such a taboo surely could not have met with a happy end.

Donskoy's story is also told in a book called "Glimpses of Mysterious Inazuma", and the title of the chapter is "The Mysterious Maiden of Genbou". It's more of a retelling of a story through the use of allegory and the ending is purely fictional because again, no one knows what happened to them in the end.

You might be wondering where the "Unfinished Descender" will come up right?

Here are the clues.

  • "If a love, a fervor, and an ambition just greater than the world itself were to take shape — they had to be born and kindled in a place unseen by any eye."
  • "This must have been the foundation stone for developing a sort of perfect life form."

The way the Eitr was described, and how it is made by using Primal Light and "Primal Venom", my theory is that Anarchasis actually wants to create a Descender that could go against the Heavenly Principles. Specifically, a body and "spirit/will" of a Descender.

Anarchasis created the Shadow Realm for that very purpose.

But why just a "body and spirit" of a Descender? Why not the whole thing?

In Teyvat, we learn that there are three things a human has. Body, soul and spirit/will. In real life, this is called the Tria Prima or Three Primes in Paracelsian Alchemy.

In real life, there's the Salt (Body), Sulfur (Soul) and Mercury (Spirit).

However, Teyvat has its own version with just a slight difference. We learn this throughout the quest with Nastya.

>Nastya: "Cast off the soul of the past, and it shall no longer be bound by the hidden veins of the earth." Then, the thing that replaces the soul of the past is... the um... s—sulfur of the soul?

>Nastya: "Cast off the will of the past, and it shall no longer be watched by the gaze above." And the thing that replaces the will is the silver of the spirit.

>Nastya: The last thing you have to cast off is... "Cast off the body of the past, and it shall no longer be worn away by the toil and turmoil of the mortal world." So at this point, we have to offer up the material that will replace the body. So uh... The salt is... the new body that grows from the old one. Yes, that's it!

These are also the same things that are mentioned in one of the flashbacks in Hvergelmir.

So, in Teyvat, there's Salt (Body), Sulfur (Soul) and Spirit/Will (Silver).

Also a good thing to note. We learn from Ronova that in order to kill a Descender, the body or soul needs to be completely destroyed.

Whatever happens to the "will", I am not sure. But I guess it would be uncovered when we learn more.

Going back, this could be the reason why Anarchasis created the Shadow Realm and Eitr.

The Shadow Realm would the birthplace of the spirit/will and body of a Descender using the Primal Light and Primal Venom. But where's the soul?

She would place her own.

Remember that Anarchasis is just a soul (consciousness) projected inside the body of a star-eyed youth. And her will is not enough to become a Descender. Her existence only pushed the disaster that's supposed to hit Hyperborea by 30 years and that's it.

Anarchasis's plan is to turn herself into a Descender inside the Shadow Realm. However, they didn't have much time. Anarchasis said the following in the "Celestial Gift" artifact:

>"But we have bought too little time... not enough for a miracle to take root in this age."

Thousands of years later, the Eitr will be discovered by the Tsar inside the Shadow Realm. The Eitr will be studied and researched by the Hvermelgir. Soon, by request of Koschei, the Tsar agreed to use his own body for the Eitr, which resulted in the "egg", or Goggles, or the Proto-Man (Prototype Primordial Human), with the help of Aksinya, Pavlina, Koschei and Alvis.

>Pavlina: But Koshchei... He cannot make this request of you himself, for he bears guilt. Yet he believes that if the experiment is to proceed further...

>Pavlina: Perhaps it's necessary for us to obtain... your body.

>Tsar: ...Then take it.

>Tsar: My blood, my flesh. If it is to fulfill the great work our ancestors left unfinished, if it is to carry this world one step further, if, in the end, it will all have been worth it...

>Tsar: Then take them, as much as you need!

Just like Anarchasis's plan, Hvergelmir's plans were pretty much the same, just with minor differences.

The Tsar gives up his flesh (obviously not all of it) which will be processed in the Eitr, which then resulted into the egg, and a few other creations of Koschei. The egg will contain the body, soul and will of a powerful being. The original plan is to supplant the soul and will of the Tsar into the egg, creating the new Primordial Human. That's why the Eye of Graeae was created in order to store the soul (consciousness) and will of the proto-man who was named Goggles by Paimon to make space for the Tsar's soul.

But we all know how it ended.

The Tsar who is potentially weakened after giving up his flesh perished while fighting the abyss. The egg stopped Aksinya's plans by colluding with Koschei, Pavlina and Alvis.

Goggles was split into three. The body fragment went to Koschei for his pursuit of eternity in life. Pavlina took the soul fragment in order to use for a ritual that will end the Snegovik's biological need for a lover to complete their soul. Alvis took the will fragment to acquire more power.

Everything about the "Unfinished Descender" is just a theory. I hope you enjoy reading this!

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u/TheOnlyFeole — 24 hours ago

When did the Third Descender actually arrive in Snezhnaya?

After playing the 7.0 patch, we've been introduced to a lot of new lore.

But this is the first time that I had to rewatch the 7.0 livestream to at least, make sense of when the Third Descender actually arrived in Snezhnaya.

The devs said that the third Descender arrived in "Ancient Snezhnaya".

I've always wondered why use that name when they can simply use the name Hyperborea if they really are referring to it. After all, they did say Snezhnaya once had summer vibes but Snezhnaya, since it was founded, never experienced one.

In 7.0, we learn that the Hyperborean researchers created the Belyi Tsar as the replacement Primordial Human, but by doing so, the Cryo authority went out of control and made what Snezhnaya what it looks like today.

So, if Ancient Snezhnaya refers to Hyperborea, that would mean the third descender arrived BEFORE Nibelung, which would make him the second descender rather than the third.

What we know about the sequence of events regarding the rebellion and the 2nd war are the following:

  1. Hyperborean researchers created faes from various corpses of old world beings who died on the first war (no evidence of this yet but I assumed this could be the case because where else would they be getting their "ingredients") using bio-alchemy.

  2. Hyperborean conducted research on creating a Primordial Human. At this point, I assume they had no idea where Nibelung was located and even the Voyager might've presumed he was already dead. Nibelung being dead would mean the seat of Primordial Human is vacant which means the research to create a Primordial Human to replace Nibelung started.

?????: At some point during this time, the third descender arrived?!?!

  1. They started creating the Belyi Tsar using the corpse of the Cryo dragon but it failed miserably, turning everything around them into ice. The reason for failure are unknown, however, I think it could've been because unbeknownst to them, Nibelung is pretty much alive, and the seat of Primordial Human is not actually vacant.

  2. Angel rebellion, nail drop, Nibelung arrived. Chaos everywhere.

It's confusing, I know. And I'm afraid we might be getting some reveal later that Istaroth is the explanation behind the time discrepancies of these significant events.

BUT.

What if, when the devs said "Ancient Snezhnaya", it wasn't really referring to Hyperborea? It just doesn't make sense to me that they'd go for Ancient Snezhnaya instead of Hyperborea.

If anything, Ancient Snezhnaya might refer to the first few years of the Belyi Tsar's rule. Snezhnaya is a nation founded by him. Hyperborea wasn't called Snezhnaya back then.

Or maybe, when they said "Ancient Snezhnaya" once had a lush green environment, they weren't referring to the nation, but the land where Snezhnaya currently stands.

Wings of the Silent Moon:

- According to legend, the king of the Fae of the Snowlands — a hero born from the bones of a great beast — sought to unite the entire continent. To do so, he had to slay his final enemy.
Yet that enemy could neither age nor die, for his life was hidden far from his body. No matter how many times the king of the snowy realms struck him down, he would rise again from the shadows.
So, the spirit of frost and a traveler from beyond the palace walls set out to seek the truth of this foe. At last, they learned how he might be killed.

In this legend, we have the Belyi Tsar, the "Spirit of Frost" and a "Traveler from beyond the palace walls", and the final enemy who cannot be defeated because he keeps getting resurrected.

By reading the book "A Brief History of the Pale Starborn", we can assume that the final enemy is none other than King Miscislav

- King Miscislav took personal command in these three large-scale battles against the Emperor. Legend has it that, driven by despair in that final battle, he sought to use the power of the Shadow Realm to delay the advance of the Pale Star court's forces. Though this measure failed to turn the tide, it did have an impact on the Emperor's future decisions.

According to the lore of the Wings of the Silent Moon, in order to kill Miscislav completely, someone needs to go inside the Shadow Realm and kill the source of his power.

NOW. It's easy to say that this war happened when Kitezhgrad was founded, and the Tsar had no idea what the Shadow Realm was.

But isn't it weird that King Miscislav knows about its existence? Granted that he could've been a survivor of Hyperborea but not all fae has the capacity to open the Shadow Realm.

Going back, the legend says that the Frost Spirit and the Traveler created the wings so the Tsar could navigate the world of shadows. And the ending is not important as the lore says.

Now, let's tie this in to the "Notes of a Certain Noble Individual".

- The "passage" stands open at last, though the price paid was heavier than I had ever imagined, and the innocent were ensnared as well... I dare not pray for deliverance from the endless torment of the curse, save only that I may be the sole bearer of all sins committed...

- My mind is made up. I shall accept the remains of the innocent, along with the throne promised by the heavens, if only to ensure that the sacrifices of the survivors and the forgotten shall never be in vain...

The coincidence is a bit too much, right?

Contrary to the legends, Miscislav failed to use the Shadow Realm, but to some degree, he might've shown it to the Tsar. That short moment changed everything with the Tsar, because we know he keeps having dreams of his "homeland", and the Shadow Realm he shortly witnessed was the closest to it.

Contrary to the legends, the Traveler from beyond the palace walls is actually the third descender, and the Snegurochka who he fell in love with is the Grand Duchess of Hesperides at that time, so it is someone older than Pavlina and Larisa.

The gates of Pohjola in the Hymn of the Far North might really be the Shadow Realm. The relationship of the characters in the hymn are irrelevant, but the key details are there. If there's trickery involved to open the Shadow Realm with the assistance of the Third Descender, I am not so sure. The Tsar did say that he feels guilty about it.

But my biggest gripe in this theory is that ... a significant amount of time has passed since the second war. Neuvilette's lore says that after the second war, the world is on the brink of destruction so the Primordial One and the "one who came after" created the gnosis to restore world order.

I need sleep.

u/TheOnlyFeole — 2 days ago

Paimon is a cognitive hazard

So, we all know that Paimon is not exactly a simple floating companion that guides the Traveler. However, since the beginning of the game, NOT a single character, or even gods, questioned her design that screams "Celestia".

I highly doubt that she's also a fae given the lack of "tattoo" that faes have (that we know of. Who knows maybe it's hidden on her torso or body) but Paimon being a fae is extremely unlikely.

During the first few years of the game, some people have theorized that Paimon is a guobafied Primordial One who tampered the Irminsul Tree so her peculiar design would simply be taken as "common sense" by other people.

Years passed, and that theory was completely shut down in every possible corner. However, the recent patch tells something about a recorder named Nu-ur-gestug who had an idea about manipulating cognition in order to hide the planet from the dark destroyer.

>...Theoretically speaking, we could alter an observer's fundamental perception through cognitive interference, or rather, a cognitive hazard. If our planet appears to them as nothing more than a mundane, barren rock utterly indistinguishable from any other piece of cosmic debris, they would naturally lose any curiosity to look deeper...

>...I will give it a try. If this can actually be achieved...

>...Failure. A complete and utter failure in principle.

>...After exposing the subject (a deliberately hideous, colossal statue of Lusalim) to cognitive contamination, the test participant, Researcher Nin-Kiggia, successfully accepted it as a perfectly normal part of my laboratory. When I pointedly asked for her thoughts on the statue of her father, she looked entirely baffled and asked in return, "Isn't it normal for Uncle Nuur to have a statue in his lab?"

>...And yet, she immediately realized the subject was abnormal the moment she left the laboratory, and proceeded to beat me with a stick.

For him, his experiment was a failure. There are no specifics on how he performed the cognitive contamination on the statue, but nevertheless, he believed it was failure.

The thing is, technically, it was a success. He only considered it a failure because contaminating the WHOLE UNIVERSE with a cognitive hazard to avoid the dark destroyer is an impossible thing to do.

Then, he said the following:

>...Even so, this experiment proves one thing... For cognitive interference to work within a specific area, the fundamental principles of perception — the natural order that governs common sense — must first take root across the entire region.

>...To make something's existence pass for common sense within a world, and thus stifle any curiosity to look deeper, the foundational laws of reality must first pervade that world. Scaling this boundary up to the entire universe, however, would require those laws to span the entire cosmos. Naturally, the latter is utterly impossible.

The latter part made me think about Paimon. What if, this is the reason why Paimon's peculiarity is not being questioned by anyone in the game? What if Paimon is a cognitive hazard and if that contamination is cleared, certain people would immediately remember what she is? (Or maybe some people have a clue but kept their mouths shut.)

u/TheOnlyFeole — 1 month ago

Disenchantment in Deep Shadow and Celestial Gift

These artifact sets. They hold plenty of lore and Genshin's usual lore "vague posting", and after reading the set's lore, I noticed a few things.

Disenchantment of Deep Shadow

The silver-haired maiden named Aksinya is basically the "main character" of this artifact. She was found by the Belyi Tsar as an infant inside a possible high tech "incubator" in the deepest parts of Hyperborea. The artifact tends to have some "time skip", so we were able to learn that Aksinya was able to pull off what the Belyi Tsar had dreamed of for a long time, and that she became a "mage of shadows".

One of the things I am curious about is that, there's a part in the lore where she's digging around the ruins of Hyperborea with a domovoy apprentice. They saw the aftermath of the rebellion, then this comes after that:

>All dreams of freedom had been annihilated, extinguished as fast as snow beneath a scorching sun.
A cruel reaping met every seed of rebellion before it could even sprout.
Even so, the researcher who had witnessed it all pressed on through the ruins,

It says Aksinya had "witnessed it all", but how is that possible when she was found an infant?
There's a whole bunch of possibilities, I know. The fact that the incubator she was found in managed to keep her alive for a VERY LONG TIME (probably a cryo capsule or something idk) makes her not a descendant, but the only living Hyperborean. The artifact's main theme is about the continuation of past battles, that the rebellion had lit the first flames with the hopes that the future generation would take the mantle and claim the world for humanity alone.

Celestial Gift

This set confirmed things about the Rebellion and the Voyager's whereabouts. Well, not exactly the Voyager's "current" whereabouts, but traces of her. It's interesting how this set is a combination of outer space lore and rebellion lore, but we'll focus on the rebellion and voyager lore.

The lore immediately started AFTER the Celestial Nail already fell to Hyperborea. It was then, that the final stand of the rebellion started. It's a big scale rebellion, consisting of not only Hyperboreans, but other nations that the First Angel had conquered in the name of the Primordial One.

The cruelest part of this rebellion is the complete and utter disregard of the Primordial One to his/her subjects because:

>But what of it? This world had never been prepared for them. That is the final verdict.

It is also in this set where we learn that the Voyager "perished" before she could join the last stand.

>Upon the platform stood a body once mortal, and since worn and broken by the toll of the ages.
In those starlit eyes, a golden flame flickered and then faded. Her final answer in the end was nothing more than a long silence.

The golden flame that flickered is a huge clue to look for the Voyager's traces.

Even though the First Angel insisted the Voyager to return to her original body, she didn't. Her will and consciousness stayed in Teyvat, making her imprisoned in Teyvat's fate system.

>The nail of judgment cast its shadow upon the earth, as the mind of she who walked before the rest lingered in a dream left unfinished upon the desolate land.
Even if it meant that she would be bound for ten thousand years, and that the snows of the far north would sink into a shadow unknown even to the gods...

Now, remember the Little Witch and Undying Fire? It is a book, tribute by the Hexenzirkel mages to Andersdotter, as all of them took part in writing in it. Each part represents a witch.

However, I noticed something on the last part of the book. Alice wrote the last part, and it talks about her last meeting with Andersdotter who died after.

>"You often said that you weren't our equal, but I've always believed you to be the cutest, most powerful witch amongst us. You often said that you left little behind, but the stories you left to us hold countless worlds. Even should a hundred years pass, or a thousand, even if the apocalypse that a certain astrologer witch worried about comes, even if all the long-lived witches die, the little light that emanates from these little worlds will not grow dim. That's right. You were the greatest great witch — far greater than us all. I miss you. Farewell."

>The old witch did not respond, for all that was left here was but an empty husk, no different from the many others that the little witch had encountered in her adventures — indeed, they were even made of the same basic material, with the only difference between those and this being the minuscule light of a flame.

>And so, the little witch took the flame that was burning the old witch and set out on her homeward journey. Anyway, let's stop the story here. The little witch's adventures would continue, though, for she had already decided to bring the old witch's fire across the universe, to light every last corner of time.

Before the Voyager died, a golden flame flickered shortly then faded. The same case happened to Andersdotter. Alice emphasized that Andersdotter is also just like any human in Teyvat, however, the phenomenon that happened right after she died is something that doesn't normally happen.

Andersdotter was an incarnation of the Voyager. Alice, or probably barbeloth, saw through her "imprisoned fate", and since she's extra special, Alice asked her to join. There's also a huge possibility that Barbeloth explained to Andersdotter the kind of "fate" she inherited.

The voyager's dreams about a dragon and a fragile little world. Nibelung being consumed by the abyss. Andersdotter seeing young Durin's misfortune and her will to save him even if she's meant to write for the rest of her human life span. This is too much of a coincidence, I think.

Also, remember how each part of the book "The Little Witch and the Undying Fire" represents a witch? That would mean, the lore of Athame Artis also represents a witch.

And it's probably Andersdotter.

I haven't fully grasped the lore hidden behind the Athame Artis, but my theory is that it's a story about the Voyager's experience in Teyvat compressed into a single story. Like, reaaaaaaally compressed.

Because even the "time skip" uses a metaphor here. Take the first part for example.

>By the time the little witch arrived at the Day King's palace, twilight had already taken hold.
Had she come any later, the kingdom would have already passed beyond the Day King's rule.
Before the night curtain descended, the Day King received her in what remained of his fleeting hours.

Voyager is a Chronicler, a race that transcended time itself.

The part "Had she come any later, the kingdom would have already passed beyond the Day King's rule" refers to Nibelung's rule, and how it is going to be overtaken by the Primordial One. If she had come later, she would be meeting the first descender instead.

But that's where my complete understanding of Athame Artis stops. Because the rest of the story is still completely unknown to me, or at least what they stand for. I could go for a simple take but eh.

Please let me know what you think.

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u/TheOnlyFeole — 2 months ago

Descendant of an Angel

In Lohen's witch homework, he was given a prophecy by Barbeloth:

"Lost human, thrice shall you face the might of the dragon. Then, and only then, will you comprehend the true meaning of strength."

Throughout the quest, we realize that the prophecy doesn't really imply that Lohen has to fight the three dragons, but instead just face their "might", which can be broad because in Ineffa's case, Lohen had seen Ineffa's "might" or her capabilities through fighting ruin guards together.

In Durin's case, there was no display of power. But here's the thing:

Durin was tasked by Nicole to read the script provided by her upon meeting Lohen. But he skipped a lot of important parts because he got flustered when Lohen asked to fight him. In his hurry to leave the place, he accidentally left the script, which was then picked up by Lohen.

In Durin's short speech, he mentioned the three dragons in Lohen's prophecy.

  1. Sovereign Ruler
  2. Creation of a mage
  3. Descendant of angels

The first one is easy, that would be Ineffa, because her core comes from an AI Dragon, a Sovereign Ruler during the ancient times. The second one is, obviously, Durin, being a creation of Rhinedottir.

But the third one. Descendant of angels? Most people assumed its referring to Ursa the Drake.
However, Ursa is NOT a descendant. She came from the first and only line of angels created by the primordial humans and was punished by the PO after the rebellion.

"Descendant" would imply the existence of ancestors, but Ursa is the ancestor itself. The existence of an angel's descendant would imply that an angel was able to conceive an offspring.

So, who is the third one?

After Durin fled the place hurriedly, Paimon suggested that the third dragon might be Dvalin, because the final prophecy needs Lohen to be in Stormterror's lair.

However, they arrived earlier than Nicole expected, so she hid behind a pillar while listening to Lohen and the Traveler talk. Suddenly, Lohen talked about Decarabian, and at first, Nicole was impressed at Lohen knowing the stuff about Decarabian until she realized that Lohen is saying her lines in the script word for word.

So basically, if Lohen didn't find out about the script, Nicole would talk about Decarabian. At first, I thought it was random, until I realized, that the entire place, the Stormterror's Lair, actually shows Decarabian's "might" as a dragon.

With this in mind, I believe the parts that Durin skipped was supposed to be Dragonspine, and how the place itself shows his previous incarnation's (Evil Durin) might as a dragon.

Ix Raq'lapuj Chue'q Buluk also known as CL-11, Evil Durin and Decarabian are the three who were crowned as dragons but despite their immense strength, it didn't end well for them. This was what Nicole wanted Lohen to realize.

Nicole's supposed guidance to Lohen was also her way to make up for him, knowing that Lohen was affected by problem that her former colleague (Ursa) had directly/indirectly caused.

Nice story right?

But wait, Decarabian is a descendant of angels?
It's not a far-fetched idea for angels to conceive offspring. After all, once Koitar had "freed" them from their shackles, they realized that they can "love" just one person and not necessarily the entire humanity because its their job.

Let me know what ye think.

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u/TheOnlyFeole — 2 months ago