u/GorgRosh

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Some thoughts.

It took me some time to get here, but I've finally finished the Fires of Heaven. I'm going to preface everything I say by just being blunt and saying that this book had some of the highest highs of the series as I've read it so far.

To start off, the way this book was formatted and structured was certainly a surprise to me. In the Shadow Rising we did have a kind of 'split narrative' but the way it was handled in this book felt more tightly written to me. There aren't any details brought up in the Prologue that I can't say weren't tied up by the final page, besides the story threads that Robert Jordan is obviously going to carry on to the later books in the series.

Morgase, Siuan, Min, Gareth Bryne and to some lesser extent Elaida were brilliant additions to the narrative, though three of them we'd seen the perspective of prior. It made the world of the books more lived in and is partially one of the reasons I found the book so easy to read.

Large books with many perspectives are my bread and butter. It's why I liked the Stormlight Archive and is actually partially why I've been so excited getting further and further into the series. Knowing that the amount of characters we get into the heads of will change and fluctuate absolutely does make me excited for the rest of Jordan's work.

I think among the best parts of this book was how much Rand and Nynaeve's perspectives tightened the narrative. They had an equal amount of page time to my knowledge and in regards to the One Power they're the more unique characters towards it. Sure, Egwene has the abilities of a Dreamer but I think Nynaeve's block makes her more fitted around the One Power as a slight oddity.

Both Rand and Nynaeve taught themselves to some measure and I think the best part of them sharing the narrative was that they're both sort of mirrors to the other. They're both desperately hanging on to what control they do have and they're stumbling over and over again until they can find some leverage.

Moiraine's supposed death did hit me harder than I thought it would. She was such a key element of the books it does make me wonder where the narrative is gonna go without her as an active element. I did genuinely find her death sad, though I found Lan's departure just as sad.

Lan was the only man who gave Rand a bone after he found out who he was. Their absence is already felt even a chapter apart and I hope his return will be amazing.

The finale was great. It was non stop action missed with intense inner turmoil and frankly excellently constructed prose by Jordan which really honed in on his character's flaws and insecurities. Rahvin is a lovably deplorable villain and his death was satisfying.

Part of the reason I ended up finishing this book faster than I did its predecessor was because I ended up actually damaging my copy and wanted to put it away so I didn't have to think about how embarrassing that was. Suffice it to say, I did not need that motivation because the book was great regardless.

Overall, this book might be my favourite solely for how much I loved reading it.

u/GorgRosh — 3 days ago
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Maybe a weird question.

Like i said before I've been reading through the series at a steady pace and Its going to hit the year mark soon enough on when I first picked Jordan's books up, so i do have a question for the more seasoned readers out there.

At what point during the books do you think it's essential to reread certain chapters or prologues. The one that comes to mind for me is Dragonmount, because while I do remember it well enough its been a decent stretch of time and Eye of the World did take me a while to finish. This also applies to the Rhuidean chapters, the final set of chapters in Shadows Rising and also a handful of others which I register as important but will undoubtedly forget by the time I reach the 10th or 11th book of the series.

Its just a question which has been bugging me and I would like some opinions regarding it.

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u/GorgRosh — 5 days ago
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Making me feel bad for bad people.

I've been reading Fires of Heaven since the end of april/start of May and while it did start a bit slow for me, I can firmly say I'm having a lot of fun with the book now compared to when I started.

I would note that while I say it started slow, I did enjoy what I was reading it just felt like a bit of meandering for the first 50 or so pages before I really got into it.

I'm around 500 pages in now and I do have some notes.

Egwene

She's easily at her most irritating in this book for a handful of reasons. Specifically her attitude towards Rand and Nynaeve feels very undeserved and presumptuous. I did like that she's been called out on it by Elayne while they were in Tel'aran'rhiod and think that I like the direction they're going with her character.

Egwene is still among my favourite characters and her displaying unlikeable qualities doesn't mean I like her any less, but she's also gotten me to say 'That's not fair' more than a handful of times. Her calling Rand arrogant feels like a mixture of her being unable to divorce Rand from the image she still has of him and a complete misunderstanding of his actions to me. These are good things, but they're also contributing to the general lack of trust that seems to be growing into a much larger issue in these books.

Nynaeve

I really love Nynaeve in this book. She's going through it in a way that makes me really feel for her. There are points where RJ shows her flaws and misconceptions and that does tend to come off as irritating to me, but I can't really say I'm an Egwene fan if I'm faulting Nynaeve for the same tendencies.

Her spirit being absolutely crushed by Moghedien after a series of spirit-crushing events feels like it could either go into a very interesting direction, or that it could result in her becoming a less than likeable character for me. Still, the way it is being handled as I am reading feels very good. I like her interactions with Elayne and the greater focus she's having in this book.

One point of note to me is that her perspective often feels the least stilted to me. I read through her chapters the fastest, compared to Siuan/Bryne who took me a while to really read through.

Rand

Yeah, so, he's at his best in this book imo.

Not really much to say because I think Rand al'Thor is one of the most widely covered characters in this fandom (rightfully so) and he has one of the most interesting and compelling arcs to me.

His dynamic with Asmodean and Aviendha is interesting to read through, I love him experimenting with the Power and the fact he's still some kind of bumbling idiot who's barely into his 20s feels relatable to me.

I feel like RJ hit too hard on the 'Rand is awkward with women' part because it does make some of his actions feel meh. How he talks to Moiraine sometimes feels charged in a way that i don't feel is accurate to what's intended, but he's also been given a major responsibility that doesn't feel fair so I can forgive him his failings as I am the rest.

Others

- Siuan Sanche is entertaining as hell. Hard to read chapters but amazing personality.

- I have zero opinion on Gareth Bryne.

- Min is a mixed bag. I don't like that Jordan frames her big goal as catching Rand and making him fall in love with her, but i do understand where it comes from. It does remind me that Jordan had a different mindset to I, a 20 year old left wing brown kid, but it doesn't ruin the book for me much if at all.

- Elayne is insanely entertaining.

- I miss Perrin.

>!Did you think I'd forgotten about Mat? I didn't. He's had about three PoV chapters so far and they've been top 3 consistently. Shame he has to share them with Rand, he's taken more of a backseat than I would have preferred, but I'm sure I'm in for a surprise. !<

>!You might be wondering what the post is titled for, and that's for Liandrin, Asmodean, Kadere and Isendre. I feel for them in a way I didn't expect, and it does make me feel like Jordan is itching towards more complicated people in his books now that he's escaped the Tolkien trap. Something i noticed in book 4 and that's carrying on here, is all.!<

I think if I really sit down and read I can get this book, my presentation and a handful of projects done by week's end. But we'll have to see.

So far this book is a solid 7.5 on the scale. Itching towards a rate, proper rating whenever I finish.

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u/GorgRosh — 12 days ago