u/Grrommm

Where do people go to study or discuss the bible more in-depth?
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Where do people go to study or discuss the bible more in-depth?

For context, I was born in a christian family but I never really took the bible seriously until I saw this discussion by Jordan Peterson and Sam Harris https://youtu.be/YfdaAGZvYsA?si=1sUiHJOROReVD4hF, after this, I binge-watched Jordan Peterson's biblical lectures and I fell in-love with the bible and how much more incredibly rich it is than I gave it credit for.

Since then, I liked just studying the Bible alone since my peers and friends don't really like studying the bible in-depth. But I started to think that I have no way of getting feedback and possibly correcting or improving my understanding. So yesterday, I came here to post one study that I particularly wanted to hear other peoples thoughts on, but someone commented saying "the amount of AI in this group is irritating" and later, my post was removed by a mod.

Kinda unfair considering I spent weeks trying to write and understand that study and I came here looking for community and genuine discussion. But I don't want to be upset about it since I think that's just how it works on the internet, especially here on reddit.

I just try to take it as a complement that I articulated my thoughts in such a way that the immediate feedback I get is "it must be AI generated". for context, I joined student journalism clubs back in highschool and participated in poetry and essay writing too, so I have some experience in writing.

which brings me to my question, do you know of any community or place where more in-depth study of theology is welcomed or encouraged? and where can discuss concepts or ideas regarding theology?

u/Grrommm — 16 days ago

How do you study the bible?

At first I didn't know where to start so I just started reading from Genesis, I got through a lot of pages, pero I noticed na hindi ko talaga nai-intindihan yung binabasa ko. So I decided to start again from Genesis but this time, I'll actually understand it and not just "read" it, pero sobrang nag struggle ako sa sobrang dense nya and I felt na sobrang lacking pa yung capacity ko to properly understand what I'm studying.

After a few weeks of trial and error, what worked for me was just observing my life and of those around me, and I try to use the bible as a guide to make sense of what I'm observing as I go by my life.

For now that's what works for me, but I haven't developed a formal structure or a repeatable workflow, my studies are just... spontaneous XD.

How do you study the bible?

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u/Grrommm — 16 days ago
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My Attempt at understanding sin and the unfogivable sin.

Background

I've heard of "sin" so many times but I've never actually tried to understand it more clearly, so I decided to make it my topic for my bible study.
I'm curious to hear other people's thoughts about this so I thought of posting it here.

Sin = "Missing the Mark”

The word for sin in ancient Hebrew is חטא (khata), and in Greek (New Testament) it's ἁμαρτία (hamartia). Both literally mean to miss the mark - like an archer whose arrow falls short of the target.

sin isn't primarily about breaking a rule. It's about failing to hit what you were aiming for. You have a potential, an ideal version of yourself, a right path, and sin is the deviation from it. The corruption isn't just moral, it's ontological it's a distortion of what you could be.

what is the "mark" christians aim to hit?

  • Jesus Paul says it directly in Romans 8:29 - we are predestined to be "conformed to the image of His Son." That is the mark. Not a set of rules. Not a performance. A person. Jesus is the target Jesus didn't just say "follow my rules" - He said "Follow Me." He said "I am the Way".

The corruption compounds - Small misses accumulate. You miss the mark, then you lie about missing it, and delude yourself into believing the lie that you didn’t actually miss. The small steps you take moving forward without correction takes you farther and farther away from the path.

What is redemption?

Redemption = Being Recalibrated

If sin is missing the mark, redemption isn't just forgiveness (wiping the slate), it's being restored to aim correctly again.

  • In Hebrew, שׁוּב (shuv) - the word for repentance - literally means to turn around or to return. You were walking in the wrong direction. You turn back.
  • Redemption is God re-orienting the sinner. Fixing his direction so he can walk the right path again.

The unforgivable sin (Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit)

Blasphemy translations in Hebrew

גָּדַף (gadaph)

Literally means "to revile" or "to cut" - like cutting someone with words. It carries the sense of contemptuous, cutting speech directed upward at God.

נָאַץ (na'ats)

Means "to despise, to spurn, to treat with contempt." it's less about the words and more about the attitude of the heart, treating something sacred as worthless.

נָקַב (naqab)

Means "to pierce or to curse explicitly" - this one appears in Leviticus 24:16 in the actual law about blaspheming God's name.

Matthew 12:31-32

>"And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

The unforgivable sin isn't a one-time insult to the Spirit. It's the end state of a long drift. Here's why that makes sense:

The Holy Spirit's job is essentially to be your internal compass, convicting you of sin, pointing you back to the path, whispering "that's wrong, turn around."

So if sin is drifting from the path, what happens when you drift so far, for so long, that you:

  • No longer feel conviction
  • Call your sin good
  • And when genuine goodness appears, you call that evil

In Matthew 12, the Pharisees watched Jesus cast out a demon an undeniable work of the Holy Spirit and called it the work of Satan. That's the context. They didn't just disbelieve, they looked at something clearly good and called it evil.

It wasn't just mockery. It was a complete inversion of moral perception.

This is what makes it unforgivable, not God's unwillingness, but your incapacity

Forgiveness requires repentance. Repentance requires recognizing you missed the mark. But if your moral perception is so inverted that you can't see the mark anymore and worse, you see the mark as the enemy then forgiveness has nothing to grab onto.

God isn't withholding it. You've lost the capacity to receive it. The door is open but you can no longer see the door.

Example

  • You commit one sin.
  • [ Ignore the holy spirit ] Your conscience (the holy spirit) tells you that you have diverged from the path.
    • You ignore the holy spirit, (refuse to repent and acknowledge your mistake) and keep going the wrong direction.
      • The next time you sin, the voice of the holy spirit gets quieter as you stray farther away from the path.
      • the longer you stay in this direction, the farther away you get from the path.
  • [ Losing direction ] eventually you are so far away from the path that the voice of the holy spirit can no longer reach you and you can no longer see the right path.
    • After a while you forget the right path even existed.
    • Because the holy spirit can no longer reach you, and you can no longer see the path, you’ve essentially lost your guide and you wander aimlessly.
    • This is where “SIN” is normalized and you lose the ability to recognize it as evil.
  • [ Blasphemy ] therefore you lose your sense of direction, your moral compass, the ability to judge what is right and what is wrong that you may mis-recognize “good” as “evil” and “evil” as “good”. And you might call “good” “evil” and “evil” “good.

Progression example:

  • Stage 1: The Miss (Missing the Mark) You’re at lunch and everyone is complaining about a coworker. To fit in, you tell a "small" lie or exaggerate a story to make them look bad.
    • The Sting: Your conscience (the Holy Spirit) immediately pokes you. You know that the "Mark" is to speak with kindness and truth.
    • The Choice: You feel the urge to say, "Actually, I might have exaggerated that," but you don’t. You ignore the poke to save face.
  • Stage 2: Losing Direction (Normalization) You start doing this every day. Exaggerating stories becomes your way of connecting with people.
    • The Shift: You stop feeling that "poke" in your chest. You tell yourself, "Everyone talks behind people's backs; it’s just how the world works."
    • The Result: The "Mark" of being an honest, trustworthy person is now so far behind you that you’ve forgotten it was ever the goal.
  • Stage 3: Blasphemy (The Inversion) You meet a new person at work who refuses to gossip. When the group starts trashing someone, this person says, "I’d rather not talk about them while they aren't here."
    • The Inversion: Because your moral compass is now upside-down, you don't see this person as "Good" or "Honorable."
    • The Attack: You call them "Self-righteous," "Fake," or "A Party-Pooper."
    • The End State: You have drifted so far that you are now mocking the very light you used to aim for. You aren't just "missing the mark", you are now actively shooting at the person who is hitting it.

if you call the medicine "poison," you will never drink it. God doesn't "lock" the door from the outside, the sinner bolts it from the inside and eventually forgets the door is even there.

>"The unforgivable sin isn't a moment of rage at God. It's the slow drift of a man who ignored his conscience so long that when the Light finally stood right in front of him, he called it darkness."

TLDR;

  • To sin is to miss the target
  • The target is to walk the same path as Jesus and live as “christlike” as possible.
  • To sin continuously and habitually hinders your ability to repent and you stop recognizing sin as evil.
  • "This leads you to commit, blasphemy of the holy spirit which we consider to be unforgivable", but it is unforgivable not because God is withholding redemption. It's because you've lost the capacity to receive it. The path is still there but you can no longer see it. Hence to blaspheme the holy spirit cannot be forgiven.
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u/Grrommm — 16 days ago

Bible study: descent to idolatry and the downward spiral into moral decay

I've been obsessing over the idea of sin ever since I did this bible study about a month ago https://www.reddit.com/r/ChristiansPH/comments/1sv3xvs/my_attempt_at_defining_sin_and_the_unfogivable_sin/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Here is my first attempt at tracing what happens when our worship becomes detached from the Divine: the anchor snaps at the top, and our devotion falls downward, landing on earthly gifts until we end up serving the very things that were meant to serve us.

I wanted to explore the story of Lucifer but it was just too dense that I struggled so much to understand it enough to articulate it properly. (I'll get to it eventually XD)

so I'm starting with studying `Romans 1:21-25`

Inversion of a genuine gift

Every gift has a natural direction. It's meant to flow outward and upward, toward God, toward others, toward something beyond yourself. Intelligence is for finding truth. Strength is for protecting the vulnerable. Beauty is for reflecting glory. Compassion is for relieving suffering. In that order, the gift serves its purpose. You wield it. It stays a tool.

When you take something genuinely good, intelligence, strength, beauty, even compassion, and make it the highest thing, it curdles. It inverts. The thing that was supposed to serve you ends up ruling you.

  • Intelligence: Instead of finding truth, it turns into arrogance and rationalization. You stop using your mind to discover what is true and start using it to prove you are always right, looking down on others and twisting reality to fit your ego.
  • Strength: Instead of protecting the vulnerable, it turns into tyranny and oppression. When power becomes its own justification, you begin using your strength to control, dominate, and exploit the very people you were meant to shield.
  • Beauty: Instead of reflecting glory, it turns into vanity and superficiality. You become obsessed with image and external validation, using allure to manipulate others while trapping yourself in a deep fear of aging, imperfection, and irrelevance.
  • Compassion: Instead of relieving suffering, it turns into enabling and self-righteousness. You start needing others to stay broken so you can feel like their savior. It becomes about your own emotional payoff or moral superiority rather than the actual healing of the other person.

How you start to fall.

Romans 1:21 "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."

Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"

Romans 1:23 "And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things."

Romans 1:25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

The ingratitude loop

  • you achieve something and instead of acknowledging an external source, your talent or the opportunity that came to you, you focus only on your own agency.
  • When we stop being "thankful" (Romans 1:21), we begin to view ourselves as the primary source of our own success, security, and meaning. ( Romans 1:23 )

Once the focus is off the Creator, the human mind looks for a replacement to provide a sense of control. Paul calls this becoming "vain in their imaginations." (Romans 1:21)

How you degenerate, Paul’s list (Man → Birds → Beasts → Creeping things)

When you worship a "statue of man," you are worshipping something that is "corruptible" (subject to decay). Because human strength eventually fails, you have to look for lower and lower things to satisfy your immediate urges. You start by worshipping Human Achievement (The Statue of Man). When that doesn't satisfy, you end up worshipping Appetite and Instinct (The Beasts/Creeping Things) focusing purely on physical comfort, sex, or material consumption.

  • The Process: We begin to create mental "simulations" of what will make us happy or safe.
  • The Idolatry of Self-Sufficiency: Before someone bows to a statue, they bow to the idea of their own wisdom. This is why verse 22 says, "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." The first idol is almost always the individual's own intellect or "gut feeling."
  • Mirror Worship: We find it easier to worship something we can see, touch, and crucially, something that looks like us. By elevating "Man" to the status of a god, we are indirectly elevating ourselves.
  • Modern Equivalence: Today, this rarely looks like a stone carving of a person. It looks like:
    • The Idol of Celebrity/Influence: Devoting immense time and resources to following "idealized" versions of people.
    • The Idol of Career/Status: Using your job title or professional "image" as the primary source of your identity and worth.
    • The Idol of Ideology: Worshipping human-made systems of thought as if they are absolute, infallible truths. When a person believes that a specific political system (e.g., extreme forms of Nationalism, Communism, or even a specific version of Democracy) is the sole savior of humanity, it has become an idol.
      • The Practice: The individual begins to believe that if "our side" wins and "their side" is eliminated, all human suffering will end.
      • The Idolatry: They stop seeing people as individuals made in the image of God and start seeing them as "allies" or "enemies" of the Ideology. They are willing to sacrifice truth, kindness, and even family relationships on the altar of "The Cause."

Practical example (scoping this study on the Idolatry of one's Intellect, because it's just too broad of a topic and I need to limit the scope.)

The Blessing: The "Uncorruptible" Gift

It begins with a high-functioning mind. The person has a natural ability to synthesize information, solve problems, and see patterns that others miss.

  • The Original Order: The intellect is a tool used to discover Truth. The person is a "servant" of reality, using their mind to understand the world.
  • The Window: Their brilliance is a window that allows them to appreciate the complexity of the universe (the "glory of God").

The Inversion: Truth vs. Being "Right"

The fall begins with the "Ingratitude Loop." The person stops being a student of Truth and starts being the Source of Truth.

  • The Detachment: They begin to view their intellectual "wins" as proof of their inherent superiority.
  • The Shift: They no longer seek the Truth; they seek Validation. The "uncorruptible" pursuit of knowledge is exchanged for the "image" of being the smartest person in the room.
    • They stop trying to seek the truth and start trying to prove themselves right.

The Exchange: The "Statue of My Opinion"

Now, the "image made like to corruptible man" (Romans 1:23) manifests as their Reputation for Intelligence.

  • The Idol: Their "takes," their "logic," and their "correctness" become their god. Because this idol is "corruptible" (human logic can be flawed), it must be protected at all costs.
  • The Practice: They "profess themselves to be wise" (v. 22). They stop saying "I don't know" because "I don't know" feels like an admission of being "lesser."

The Downward Spiral: Feedback as "Blasphemy"

This is the moment of the Inversion. Because the person has equated their "Self" with their "Intellect," any challenge to their ideas is felt as a challenge to their very existence.

  • The Defensive Wall: If you give them feedback, you aren't just correcting a mistake; you are "attacking" their god (Themselves).
  • The Darkened Heart: As Paul says, their "foolish heart was darkened." They start to view peers as "idiots," mentors as "out of touch," and feedback as "jealousy" or "sabotage."
  • The Inversion of Reality: To protect their ego, they begin to twist facts, ignore data, and alienate allies. They would rather be "right" and fail than be "corrected" and succeed.

The Downfall: Total Isolation (The "Creeping Things")

The final stage of the fall is isolation. Just as Lucifer was cast out because he could not coexist with an authority higher than himself, the "Intellectual Idolater" becomes a social pariah.

  • The Result: They end up surrounded only by "Yes Men" or by total silence.
  • The "Creeping Things": Their world shrinks. Once capable of thinking about the "Glory of God" (huge, universal concepts, the pursuit of truth and wisdom), they are now obsessed with "creeping things"—petty office politics, minor slights, and defending their ego against small criticisms.

TLDR:

  • The Ingratitude Loop: You stop being a "window" for the gift and become a "mirror." By detaching the success from its source, you become a closed system, convinced you are self-made and self-sustained.
  • The Degeneration: To protect this new "Self-Made" image, you corrupt your wisdom. Your intellect is no longer used to find the Truth, but to defend your Ego. You stop being a student of reality and start becoming blind to your own flaws.
  • The Inversion: Finally, you "exchange the glory" for an idol of yourself. You become your own ultimate authority, which makes you unable to receive feedback. You begin to view every correction as a personal attack or "insurrection" against your greatness.

The Result: By trying to rise above everyone else, you lose your foundation. Like a statue made of "corruptible man," your ego eventually cracks under the weight of reality, and you fall into a pit of isolation, resentment, and stagnation.

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u/Grrommm — 16 days ago