u/Guzinol

[M54B22] High positive LTFT and negative STFT
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[M54B22] High positive LTFT and negative STFT

I’ve had a problem with my car for quite a while now. Something is causing:

  • High idle RPMs (800–850)
  • Higher fuel consumption
  • Negative LTFT of around 14%, which triggers the check engine light
  • Positive STFT at around 6–7%

All of this happens at warm idle. I know that most of these issues are interconnected (higher idle RPMs, higher-than-spec MAF readings, and increased fuel consumption).

Before I post the logs, here are a few things worth mentioning:

  • The car was checked for vacuum leaks some time ago, and any leaks that were found were fixed.
  • The MAF sensor is an original BMW OE unit, since Continental/Siemens sensors are no longer available. However, I’ll explain later why I don’t think the MAF is the problem.
  • The idle is smooth despite the higher RPMs. It’s very stable and only fluctuates by around 15 RPMs. From my experience, vacuum leaks usually cause a rough and unstable idle.
  • The car starts smoothly, even after sitting unused for a while.

Logs from warm idle:

https://preview.redd.it/wugsgx3cl91h1.png?width=1672&format=png&auto=webp&s=4cf584c7403082f48e9e5f73e339e3e011dda059

https://preview.redd.it/r6yippfcl91h1.png?width=1464&format=png&auto=webp&s=95a3dbd0d789d6430ab2e66e9a4ae1340b5b20e7

https://preview.redd.it/nlmtg8xcl91h1.png?width=1743&format=png&auto=webp&s=f65a465c1facfb220143db11252cf1a29e6ca2e0

https://preview.redd.it/h5fg7rcdl91h1.png?width=1743&format=png&auto=webp&s=008174c9c69b66b3940eb780b222504afa979c45

https://preview.redd.it/z27p4oael91h1.png?width=1360&format=png&auto=webp&s=7a54d25f3f855870a76d1302ca8d46ac2003c261

https://preview.redd.it/646wsimel91h1.png?width=1418&format=png&auto=webp&s=31bb1b72f67ee71c4f419a73dfc44ff0e1dca01e

https://preview.redd.it/tcy8lk0fl91h1.png?width=1418&format=png&auto=webp&s=e18c1b09ed5b71672b595682a41263d6fd430652

https://preview.redd.it/u49pj997m91h1.png?width=1360&format=png&auto=webp&s=aad1dffb26e8e78e9b2691a67d6369bcd74b3e1c

I would ignore those two lowest points on the MAF and RPM graphs. As you can see, the MAF is steady at 3.15 g/s, which is higher than it should be, but the RPMs are also higher, so it could be that the engine is actually using that amount of air and the MAF sensor is not providing false data.

The O2 sensors concern me the most, since I have no experience diagnosing them, and both banks look quite different (e.g. a possible leak?).

If anyone has experience with O2 sensors, your feedback would be very welcome.

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u/Guzinol — 8 days ago

Positive STFT and negative LTFT (prob. not a vacum leak) [BMW E39 520i/M54B22]

Hi.

So car is thorwing CE light, and it's no wonder since my LTFT are at over 14%!. This car throws that CE at 10%. At the same time STFTs are negative on warm idle. I'm trying to find a couse of this. I will attach graphs, but first few things:

I honestly don't belive it's vacum leak. M54s engines are absolute nightmare when it comes to vacum leaks, and even with slight leak they will couse a rough idle, I already had this problem once, and even with very small leaks, RPMs are dancing.

Car runs fine, smooth even for it's age. RPM's are a bith high on idle but it's also to be expected when ECU pumps 114% of fuel xd. And ofc. fuel consumption is higher than spec.

https://preview.redd.it/m45hrpc2jk0h1.png?width=1672&format=png&auto=webp&s=6d1f73846538923dc3bc57a80a8950d778a8a126

https://preview.redd.it/byp3zhpzik0h1.png?width=1464&format=png&auto=webp&s=0e5434c4fe056219ca94bab6100e1022d0e67544

https://preview.redd.it/od2f3of4jk0h1.png?width=1801&format=png&auto=webp&s=7f50235679c6f4ecaa36dce880c9340aece666d7

https://preview.redd.it/4bncfz25jk0h1.png?width=1801&format=png&auto=webp&s=70a4d2412a0c6391cd52c3f0673663a0f890a9e7

https://preview.redd.it/b1h06zf5jk0h1.png?width=1405&format=png&auto=webp&s=2ba52608242b6d1f350b8cd748a596550e765845

https://preview.redd.it/at6pjp76jk0h1.png?width=1405&format=png&auto=webp&s=0119dfd52bae93741213503516851ac71c0bcd4a

https://preview.redd.it/0r2vt4l6jk0h1.png?width=1542&format=png&auto=webp&s=88b53955d1e792229ffa0a65bbcc2ebfd7e7f5a0

https://preview.redd.it/30rsg0u6jk0h1.png?width=1542&format=png&auto=webp&s=7eea698069891b75a55dbe6257b8290d4e89b5cf

I know that times are not the same, but it's due to my Car scanner that is not best. I mostly use inpa, but for that it's useless sadly. ofc. time is in seconds and maf Reading is in g/s. At this point I'm would like to now if you guys think O2 sensors are ok.

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u/Guzinol — 11 days ago