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The fact this is already something Jay had to warn you to stop doing in other members livestreams (on his birthday mind you) and y'all still don't get the memo. Aren't you tired? What exactly is the end goal of saying "touch your nose/ears if you miss heeseung"? What exactly do you aim to achieve? Dissecting them more? Are y'all really fans or just parasocial weirdos? At this point I genuinely I don't care if you can't move on, common decency should still be expected.

I first thought it sounded like twide but I think it's like a Play on words for tweed

This will be my last take on this situation because I would like to believe that after the jungwon livestream and Jay's stance on the matter during the Mexico show, I would like to believe this case has concluded. If people are still dragging it, that's your own problem not an enhypen problem.

I'm genuinely happy they are losing the fans they don't need anymore. The last thing they need as artists who want to grow their career hopefully even beyond what they are now is certain types of fans. There are certain categories of fans they don't need:

1. Fans who continually disrespect them

2. Fans who don't know how to respect their boundaries and privacy.

3. Fans who do not want them to grow beyond their nostalgia

4. Fans who constantly throw a tantrum when they don't get their way

5. Fans who constantly throw the sincerity and words of the members back in their faces and don't listen to them because they choose to believe in their own theories especially when the fans themselves have no idea what actually happened in real time.

I'm glad they took offense to what jungwon and Jay said, I'm glad they're leaving, I'm glad that enhypen stood up for themselves, I'm glad they are shedding that skin that constantly puts them down and won't allow them to move on and evolve. When that skin is shed, a new one emerges which is even more beautiful than the last one.

They might have lost those fans, but they will most definitely gain new and hopefully more mature ones who love them for who they are now and who they will be in the future.

The members are no longer who they were when they emerged from i-land, they are no longer teenagers with an uncertain future and no experience, these men you see before you are grown adult men who have a plan for their future and they work towards it and are high achievers, they are not helpless,they are strong and capable and deserve fans who see them as such.

What compelled me to make this post was seeing a series of videos and tiktoks of "fans" minimizing everything jungwon expressed to saying "ot6 won" which genuinely wrong me the wrong way in all the wrong places as a human being. To all the people who think this way on this platform, please tell me exactly what ot6 fans won? A very helpless and disturbed jungwon who felt the need to come on a livestream where he has stated before was his comfort zone to have meaningful and light-hearted conversations with his fans and you put him in a situation where he felt he had no choice but to speak up knowing fully well people are still going to ignore his words, hate him, say that the company forced him and still disrespect him? How many times have they had to PLEAD and BEG for you guys to just support them in what I would say is the most difficult period of their careers despite the fact you keep dissecting everything they do, they can't raise their hands or even move their eyes innocently or even express any form of emotion in front of fans anymore because anything they do gets taken out of context. Do you know how UNHEARD someone has to feel for them to say enough is enough? And you are so comfortable sitting there to say "ot6 won", are you joking? Where exactly is the win in this whole situation? I'm actually genuinely curious.

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• They are the ones who had to bear the blow of a member deciding to leave the group.

• They are the ones who had to deal with the public storm face first

• They are the ones who were constantly spammed, dissected, and disregarded by fans who were supposed to support them

• They are the ones who were hated on anytime they mentioned moving on and wanting to continue as they are.

• They are the ones who are repeatedly called liars and are reduced to muppets with no feelings anytime they bear their thoughts and sincerity to their fans ( which don't be surprised if they stop telling you their feelings, don't be surprised when jungwon no longer speaks his mind when they don't feel safe around the people that are supposed to love them and give them grace).

• They are the ones who are being blamed for someone else's actions and are being told they are shading heeseung for expressing their distaste for how their fans don't respect them.

• They are the ones who have fans who do not care about them, which is kind of funny because you say the company forces them to say things but under the same breath, say that they and the company are not addressing anything and you would rather believe false information than the words of the people you claim to support.

• They are the ones who have fans who don't want them to grow and evolve as artists.

• They are the ones who have fans that would rather ruin their careers because they are not getting their way

And you have the audacity to say you're suffering. What exactly are you suffering from? You're suffering from the fact that you cannot grasp the meaning of respecting people and their boundaries. At first I genuinely understood where people were coming, I understood the sadness but I genuinely don't care anymore. I don't care how sad you are, I don't care that you're angry, I don't care if you've supported the group since 2020 which to be honest you using that as an excuse to gaslight people has gotten lame and boring, even people who joined the fandom from March 10 onwards have way better decorum than people who claim to know the members.

You have no right to order them to speak on behalf of heeseung who chose to leave, they don't owe anyone an interaction, you have no right to blame them for his departure either and you most certainly have no right to get angry with them when they tell you enough is enough and make their stance clear that they are in fact six members.

I'm tired of your victim card and I'm tired of the gaslighting. Grow up

• Jungwon has had to previously address the spamming in their lives yet you continued to do so

• Jay had to address the same spamming (on his birthday) and you continued to do so

• The members have on numerous occasions be it directly or indirectly referred to themselves as six either during lives, award speeches and even final words on stage and have asked and pleaded with fans to please support them but what do you do instead? You shove their sincerity in their faces, call them liars and would rather much believe in your conspiracy theories, made-up delusions, he said she said, fake documents and tarot cards but when the members themselves speak, you reduce them to nothing but string dolls who don't have a back bone to stand up for themselves all because of your selfishness and your annoying saviour mentality and the worst part about everything is that I know you will not change but I'm glad that despite all the disrespect you have repeatedly shown the members, they have continually persevered and are strong on their stance and are excited for their future despite their own fans wanting to clip their wings.

I think the worst part is that there are so-called fans who even after jungwon livestream, rather than seeing the error of their ways and moving on , just like you did with the award speech, you immediately throw stones and hate at jungwon and are still saying he is shading heeseung, you're still the same people who will hate on ot6 for defending him and the group, I don't even have to speculate I see it in your comments be it direct or not you can't hide your hatred for them it's very glaring and obvious to the point that it's sad.

I also remember saying to someone here, I said that the same people praising the ot7 fanchant are the same people who will get angry at the members when they refer to themselves as six so just wait and see, if you are that person I spoke to you can see that I was right.

Anyways, for the people who have prioritized the members rather than an ego, I love you and send you lots of love and kisses 😘😘😘😘. Please continue to support them and watch them grow into even better artists.

For people who hold resentment towards them and feel no joy towards them, quietly leave because the only person you are hurting is yourself.

Another thing I wanted to say, for those people saying that you were going to or will only drop the ot7 fanchant when they release sin:bliss, you yourselves know that is not true. You're the same people who will still come crying and whining about how heeseung is not on the album or how so and so member sounds like him or talk about imagining that he sang a particular line and wonder how his vocals would have sounded and you will still come up with many more excuses to disrespect the members so in short, there is no convincing and no one is going to keep convincing you because it's a waste of time.

Lastly, Grief is not a get out of jail free card to be disrespectful neither is it an excuse to be an ass.

It's very funny to me how some people keep emphasizing that they don't understand the reason why the ot6 fanchant is being encouraged. You know the reason why, you just intentionally don't listen and that is okay to admit, lying only makes it worse.

Here is the reality. As of March 10th of this year moving forward and according to Enhypen, heeseung and officially from Belift themselves, enhypen is a group that comprises six people. You holding on to a fanchant like it's some kind of lifeline is not doing you any favors. I would have understood doing the ot7 fanchant if heeseung was on an hiatus, it would have made more sense to honor him until he returns, or maybe that's what you're hoping for, but he is not on hiatus, he is no longer part of the group so I really don't understand the stubborness behind holding on to a fanchant.

And as for the people saying it's a tribute and you don't want heeseung hard work to be erased. The last time I checked the tour wasn't a tribute concert to heeseung, it's an enhypen world tour that will only compromise of the official members of the group and the term "erased" is an excuse and you know it because tell me exactly what is being erased. The last time I checked up until heeseung left, everything he has ever worked on including past music and tours, everything is readily available for you to consume and enjoy but he legally cannot be a part of anything related to enhypen moving forward because he is not in the group. Same thing with actors who decide to no longer be legally attached to a tv show they work on, unless the production company asks for permission to use the likeness or images of that actor, they are not legally allowed to use them anymore the moment they leave. so you complaining that he is no longer in any enhypen promotional content is invalid.

It's also funny because when you're asked why you don't do the same for Heeseung's, you say "because he is a soloist" and many more excuses you decide to come up with, to that I say you're all hypocrites and you know it. If you can do a tribute fanchant for Heeseung in the group then why can't you do the same tribute fanchant for enhypen towards heeseung?

I can't tell you what to do, at the end of the day you're grown so you decide what you want to do, I just hope you realize while you're doing so, you remind yourself that heeseung is no longer in the group. It's also funny to see how the people who were condemning the remaining members and hating on them for moving on and saying you're no longer a fan of enhypen are championing the ot7 fanchant, you couldn't make it anymore obvious that you're a solo stan who holds bitterness towards enhypen but I digress.

And as for people complaining about what the Brazilian fans did, expressing your frustration is okay but racism should not be tolerated, the same way I spoke against the racism directed towards the Korean fans don't repeat the same with Brazilian fans, racism regardless of your emotions should not be tolerated In any form.

That's all.

As I said above. A lot of people reek of resentment towards enhypen. You resent them for moving forward despite all your failed attempts to dissect or make them say or do things that you wanted them to say or do. You resent them for standing up for themselves the moment your actions towards them crossed a line, you resent them for being happy as 6, you resent their fans who have been able to move on with them and chose to continue on with them on their new journey while you're stuck in Limbo land. You resent the fact they are going to be successful as 6 people, you resent their new era,you resent the fact you can't control their careers and lives. You reek of all these things and the funniest part is how obvious you make it without even bothering to use perfume to cover it up, even when you try, it still smells. You even try to wrap it in a perfect bow called "I'm emotional" or "it's just my opinion". But it's very easy to see through that wrapping paper with its poked holes and see what's truly inside.

I remember making a post during the three day concert in Seoul, when I saw people come to social media to pick apart everything about that tour and give back handed compliments and many more, I remember saying if you can no longer obtain joy from anything related to enhypen, the only thing left you will feel towards them is resentment and I was right because the way some people talk and even tolerate the absurdity of what the members are facing, you can very much tell that's the stage you're in now. You even go so far to blame them for a situation that they themselves did not create.

Now you say you feel alienated but you did that to yourselves all on your own. I will say this once more, if you feel no joy from these people you claim to have loved, quietly leave.

I think this is a mentality that I've struggled to understand for a while. I think the examples that I can think of clearly was seeing how when BTS returned , they were immediately blamed for Heeseung's departure while mind you this same fandom were asking their fans to help you boycott, same thing was done with bangchan from stray kids and even other groups.

Now more recently I'm seeing a lot of enhypen fans hate on yeonjun as he is about to release he second ep while still remaining in the group. Are we forgetting that heeseung chose to leave his group? Are we forgetting that yeonjun himself said that we was on IV drips to get through his first promotions as a soloist? But despite all that you are sending him hate out of jealousy and then you wonder Why their fans pour the flames of their frustrations on your faves.

If you genuinely like heeseung or even enhypen, if you have nothing nice to say about yeonjun, I recommend genuinely zipping your mouth and focusing on the artists you support because you're emotional anger is not helping anyone

I believe the one thing I have constantly emphasized on this platform is anything you do to other artists will backfire back to the group. I said the same thing when I saw ot7s going to attack BTS for Heeseung's departure, I said the same when it came to attacking bangchan for Heeseung's departure, I even said most especially to ot7/ solo stans that anything you do to the remaining members of enhypen using heeseung as a conduit will negatively bounce back towards him and every single time, I have been right. Is it ideal? No, is that the reality? Yes

Now again I'm seeing so-called fans attacking yeonjun from txt for being able to do solo activities while still being in the group. Are we forgetting that heeseung chose to leave? Are we forgetting that yeonjun himself has said that he had to be on IV drips to be able to get through his first solo? Are we forgetting that both groups have absolutely nothing to do with each other, even though they are both under HYBE, Yeonjun is under bighit while heeseung is under belift? Are you guys not tired of heeseung getting hate? Why are you creating more problems for him? Later down the line, you will start to wonder and ask why TXT fans are lashing out their anger at Heeseung completely forgetting that y'all are the ones welcoming unnecessary hatred unto him. If you guys genuinely like heeseung or enhypen even a little bit, leave him alone and if you have nothing nice to say about yeonjun because you're jealous about his situation, ZIP IT.

It's funny how I see a lot of people hating on Belift saying that they are stunting enhypen growth but y'all are the same people crying over a rebrand of enhypen moving into a new era of their career.

I am genuinely sick and tired of looking at the whining, crying, moaning and gaslighting. And I am actually sick and tired of tolerating people who constantly use the "emotional" brigade as a cover up to be disrespectful, hateful and say weird things. Can you just leave? Genuinely.

Enhypen is going through a rebrand, which means more than likely all 6 of them have renewed their contracts which is a good thing. And what that usually means is that with a new contract, they have more say in what happens with the group which explains why they have more directorial credits when it comes to their tour. I won't be surprised if it's the same with the music they produce and many more even if they don't personally write the music like most western artists, they still more likely have a say in choosing the music they decided to include in the albums which is a good thing. Same goes for the artistry, the designs, they have more say.

Y'all complain about EVERYTHING a lot of the time without actually understanding a single thing about what is happening, you complain for the sake of complaining to prove a point using "evidence" from Rachael that you saw on tiktok. Are you not tired?

Can't you just let them evolve and inhale a breath of fresh air? They are coming to you as artists in a new way and a new direction and their own fans, the people who are supposed to be given them support, have nothing better to do than to be throwing a fit and trolling for the sake of trolling.

I'm not interested in hearing the excuses; I'm tired of hearing every single one of them. If you are boycotting Enhypen and are actively planning or are watching Heeseung's content on any official social media platforms, then you are a hypocrite.Its very funny how I'm already seeing people who are boycotting trying to give excuses as to why they want to support heeseung which if you want to that's your right. But if you do, don't bother trying to morally police any other person for continuing to support enhypen because then every argument you try to make automatically becomes invalid.

I genuinely find it appalling that a lot of people in social media platforms have become extremely comfortable with saying racist and xenophobic words towards the Asian most specifically the Korean fans for actually taking the feelings and emotions of the enhypen members into consideration when it comes to how they treat them. The only problem I have had with so-called fans are the stalkers and haters but how are y'all any better when you're the same type of people who camp around their hotels when they visit or tour the countries they come to and worse travel all the way to Korea to be stalkers?

Unlike a lot of you who can't seem to have a single piece of empathy left. They actually considered the members, they didn't make them uncomfortable. When the members encouraged them to use the new fanchant despite already being used to the old one, they made the conscious effort to actually re-learn the new one so as to encourage the members who give their blood, sweat and tears on stage so that they can have a good performance without a heavy heart, at least it's more than I've seen a lot of what you selfish people are planning to do when they tour outside of Asia, they are also not the ones who constantly spam and boycott the members for personal vendettas. And in return for actually being kind and thoughtful, what do they get called? You call them embarrassing, you call them fake fans, you call them weird and so many other words that I don't even want to remember seeing and the fact you see no problem with that kind of behavior is actually concerning.

I don't know the exact date or time but I do believe it has been rumored that Belift will be debuting a new group specifically a boy group. These are things you need to understand.

1. This new group will be filled with ambitious trainees/ teenagers who are coming into the industry to make a name for themselves the same way enhypen were privy to.

2. This new group will come with their own set of fans who will not care about heeseung, not care about enhypen and will immediately see enhypen as their direct competitors.

3. The fans of the new group will use anything and everything to defend their group even if that means stepping on toes as you know that Kpop fandoms in general do not care.

4. With the way Engenes have made a bad name for themselves among other fandoms most especially with ARMYS and STAYS. Do not be surprised if the fans of the new group use that leverage against enhypen if you even try to boycott or spam that group and their social media platforms.

Do not be rash, don't use the victim trick of saying that "omg Belift will ruin these boys as well, let's boycott" don't create enemies for enhypen whom literally live next door to them. It doesn't benefit anyone most especially enhypen. If you have nothing encouraging or nice to say about the new group, one piece of advice for the sake of enhypen: ZIP IT.

"it felt as if the whole group is collapsing and losing their spark."

"The entire group has lost its soul"

"It always feels like there is a shadow of something missing"

" The music doesn't sound like themselves anymore"

" The performances are bland"

Let me start by saying this, I DO NOT CARE IF YOU STARTED LIKING THIS GROUP IN 1979, the fact that you think as a person that these words are ok to say to people who are literally giving their all and are excited to move forward with their future is actually disheartening. You do realize that if you have no words of encouragement to give, you could so easily keep your negativity to yourselves.

Imagine being in their shoes or going through the same thing. You work tirelessly for years on end, honing and perfecting your skills in your workplace while being a part of a team, then a team member decides to leave and you want to move on and do better with the rest of the group but everyone around you constantly sees you as bland and sad just because someone left because their goals no longer aligned with yours. How would you feel despite looking towards a bright future, your own fans see you as weak and demean your talents and hardwork and say you have no soul because a single person left. You guys have the luxury of not imagining that because you are anonymous on the internet so you just casually say whatever. But what about the actual people who have to constantly see your words on a daily basis, constantly worrying that they won't be good enough because you will not even bother to give them a chance because you're so in your own selfish feelings and when they express themselves to you that they are excited about brighter days, you call them liars and say that they are being forced to see a good future for themselves, Are you joking?

Do better as fans and more importantly as people.

I find it quite entertaining that the grown men of enhypen who ages are 20 and above are all of a sudden spineless people with no backbone when their words and actions do not align with the narrative you have decided to believe.

You will literally see these grown men be happy talking about their new beginnings, being happy about their tour, new music and call them liars and say that the company is forcing them to say things but will willingly believe tarot card readers, false articles, tik-toks and posts on social media platforms filled with lies and misinformation because those ones which by the way are not accurate sources of information hold more credibility in your eyes because they cater to your false hopes.

You will rather much believe heavily edited videos dissecting the members you claim to support. For example, the video of jungwon itching his armpit with his thumb sticking out and a so-called fan using that opportunity to say raise your thumb if you miss heeseung and cause an unnecessary internet frenzy for no good reason. You would willingly believe those lies but when Jake talks joyfully about the new tour, you disregard his words and hate him for it because his words don't cater to your narrative.

From the moment the members started to embrace their new reality, you have been nothing but disrespectful and selfish towards the members you claim to support and when you're called out for your behavior, you lack accountability.

Do you actually care about the members opinions or you only care about yourselves and what you want?

Do you actually listen when the members are talking? Or do you think their opinions that you don't like are just for decoration?

When Jay was talking about the ambitions of the group to do more global stages and how multiple members have said time and time again that they choose to work and be active. Did you think those opinions were just for decoration so you choose to ignore it?

While I will not say they are perfect, it has genuinely become extremely laughable to me that people have started to divert blame towards the fans of the remaining 6 members after the chaos y'all have spread for the past two months have started to backfire.

I will not excuse the hate sent towards heeseung but don't come on here and pretend y'all have not taken your emotional tantrums towards the remaining 6 members too far.

Who started the boycotting? Who took the boycotting way too far? Who started the spamming? Who took the spamming way too far? Who started the constant use of heesung to berate the talent and hard work of the other members and said they were nothing without him? Who hated the members for moving on, being excited for their tour and constantly overanalyzing and dissecting them to the point they can't even lift a fingernail on their livestreams without you forming entire theories over anything they do? Who went to watch the Livestream of the start to their tour and came on social platforms to constantly nitpick, complain and say that the tour feels empty without heeseung? Who came on here to hate on sunoo for one vocal strain? Who came on here wanting to start to police the members words and award speeches? And many more rubbish I have seen people do but you want to come here act righteous and all high and mighty while throwing dirt on fans defending the group.

You don't want to take responsibility for your actions because that would actually mean admitting you were wrong so you result to deflecting and gaslighting

You want to throw stones without actually reflecting on yourselves and how your actions have caused friction between each other.

Be honest with yourselves.

I think the one thing I will say first is that evidently so, enhypen members including heeseung receive an unfair amount of hate and harassment that shouldn't be. However, the one thing that evidently became very clear to me in the beginning was that a lot of things were going to backfire.

Understandably when heeseung exited the group, I understood people's sadness especially if you have invested a time of your life into a group that you love, I won't shame anyone for having shock and sadness, it was obvious that was going to happen, however the things that followed got out of hand. From the very beginning, I was against the boycott because I knew ultimately that boycott was never going to affect Belift neither was it going to affect HYBE and every time it was encouraged I knew one thing: that it was going to backfire towards the guys.

Along with the boycotting, came the spamming. Then after that due to people being emotional they started making comments: "Enhypen is nothing without their ace" and many comments that are extremely similar to this. I also knew nothing good would come out of it. It is as if the people who did these things forgot one specific detail; that the remaining members of enhypen have solo fans whose flames you were quietly fanning and adding kerosene to. Which added a problem that could have easily been contained. The hate they would pile unto heeseung as a result of these specific actions.

Then came the attacking of the members along with the spamming anytime they expressed their disdain for spamming most especially towards jungwon and jay and then the dissecting of the members to look for things that suited a narrative. Then hating Jake for expressing excitement for the tour. And let me not get started on the back handed compliments I saw towards them when the tour started, the nitpicking, the complaining, not giving the members grace, attacking sunoo for a vocal strain despite the fact that he had flawless vocals during the 2 hour concert and I'm glad he proved people wrong throughout the remaining days.

Another thing I've seen is calling the members liars because you don't agree with what they say. Or saying the company told them to say things like they are not human beings with opinions.

Did you sincerely think all of this could be happening and the "ot6" fans will sit there and watch?

Heeseung, I genuinely feel bad for him, has also had hate come to him and people calling him selfish which I don't agree with. As a human being, it's not fair to judge someone who has goals and wants to reach it, no one here would like it if they were judged either. He is allowed to have new goals and not be guilt tripped because you don't agree with his decisions.

I genuinely do believe the hate on him could have been contained at least if the energy was given to that instead of instigating the "ot6" fans but it wasn't now their frustration with "ot7" is being lashed out on him. I'm not surprised, I saw it from a mile away.

If I were to give an opinionated prediction and I could be wrong, if "ot6" fans feel like heeseung is not receiving the same spamming that the remaining members have had to endure, I predict them coming on social platforms to complain and call unfairness.

One thing people should not forget is that first and foremost, you are fans. It's not your place to dictate their lives and their career. I think this situation going forward should send a valuable lesson. Support all 7 men and watch them grow artiscally or be quiet.

Is it just me or am I excited for their new album. What direction do you guys think they will take. More hip hop, more rock influence? When I think of the name Blood saga itself. I think of war themes like Arcane vibes especially the sound tracks. If you think of their last concept trailer of being hunted down. Arcane soundtracks just popped up in my mind as a type inspo

I don't know I'm just curious about the genres they would go for.

I predict hip hop like outside, you can tell they all got to shine in that song

More rock influence , more RnB? How would it fit with the theme of Blood saga. Also I love their intros and outros like foreshadow or fate. Do you think it will continue?

Curiosity about new album

Is it just me or am I excited for their new album. What direction do you guys think they will take. More hip hop, more rock influence? When I think of the name Blood saga itself. I think of war kind of like Arcane vibes especially the sound tracks. Iykyk

I don't know I'm just curious about the genres they would go for.

I predict hip hop like outside, you can tell they all got to shine in that song

More rock influence , more RnB? How would it fit with the theme of Blood saga. Also I love their intros and outros like foreshadow or fate. Do you think it will continue?