u/HoidsRoommate

Another Update on the Echoes Set. Previous post is linked.

Another Update on the Echoes Set. Previous post is linked.

As an update to my last posts about this

Previous Update

Original Post

I have informed the European Consumer Center (ECC) in my country. They took my report seriously and immediately forwarded it to the ECC in the UK. That department works closely together with Trading Standards.

TBB seems entirely unwilling to even acknowledge their responsibilities and have made the decision to both cancel my order without my consent and falsify their data to make it seem like it was by my request, which it was not (!). If their unwillingness before was frowned upon, this is straight up illegal and baffles me.

I also forwarded this to the ECC, which will likely escalate

things for them.

My intention with these posts is to inform other EU customers to know their rights as a consumer within the EU, specifically when you ordered the The Echoes Saga set, like me.

Know your rights, especially when The Broken Binding actively lies to you about it.

Relevant laws and information can be found in previous posts

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I know certain comments will arise from this, like with previous posts and so I will address them below:

"Why make such a big deal out of it? Just cancel it"

Customers are protected from this type of stuff (at least in the UK and the EU) and I still want the set. I shouldn't have to pay for their mistakes.

"They cancelled it, so it is solved"

No, CRA15 (Consumer Law) tells me I have the right to enforce the sales contract and ask for compensation to cover my financial losses as a result of their mistake. Cancelling is an option if I so choose, which I do not, as I want the books still.

"Trading Standards won't help you with this"

They will, especially since this doesn't just affect me, but every EU customer. They are systematically scamming everyone of them, not just by not informing the, but by trying to cover it up too.

"It's only €3,-, you're just looking for an issue where there isn't one"

It is not just €3,-, it's handling fees on top of them, which can range from €6,- to as much as €40,- for some people. This was addressed in the comments in prior posts.

This page by Carra Globe explains in detail how these new tariffs will work

As requested, the anonymized e-mail correspondence between TBB and me:

If the times don't seem to match, that is because of the one hour time difference between the UK and the Netherlands

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u/HoidsRoommate — 2 days ago

Update: TBB, The Echoes Saga set and extra costs to delay for EU Customers

See my previous post about this here: Previous Post

As you can see in the first screenshot, TBB has confirmed they will not be reimbursing or offsetting these extra costs. They claim Royal Mail assured them there won’t be extra local handling fees, and that our only option under consumer law is to cancel our order for a full refund.

Why this is wrong

Royal Mail does not dictate national border policies. When a parcel enters the EU with an electronic IOSS mismatch due to a missing backend tariff, local national post offices (like DHL, PostNL, La Poste, An Post, etc.) automatically hold it and slap on their mandatory fixed clearance/handling fees to process the difference. We are being set up to pay both the €3 fee and the heavy handling penalty.

The handling fees differ for each country.

Under Section 19 and 28 of the UK Consumer Rights Act 2015, we have the explicit legal right to enforce delivery of our product and claim compensation for direct financial losses caused by a supplier's delay. A retailer cannot force you to forfeit a premium item through cancellation just to clear themselves of liability for the compounding costs of their own scheduling breach.

Relevant Consumer Right Act Sections Section 28 Section 19

I have formally notified them of the above and that I will escalate this matter to Trading Standards (UK) and the European Consumer Centre (ECC) if they refuse to cover these costs.

Just sharing this so other EU buyers know exactly where TBB stands right now, and how you can legally push back using UK consumer law if you're facing the same doorstep penalty's if you ordered a set of The Echoes Saga.

u/HoidsRoommate — 7 days ago

Echoes Saga Delays & July 1st EU Customs: TBB will NOT compensate for the extra costs

Just wanted to share the official response I got from CS regarding the upcoming €3,- EU customs duty. Since the delays pushed the shipment from April into July, it triggers these new rules.

As you can see, TBB has confirmed they will not be reimbursing or offsetting these fees for EU customers, stating it is 'beyond their control'.

Just a heads-up for fellow EU buyers, as this means we will likely face not just the €3 duty, but also the mandatory local postal handling/clearance fees at our doorsteps because of the supplier's delay.

For people that are unaware

Because we already paid in full, our orders are registered under TBB’s IOSS system as "all taxes paid." However, since the supplier delay pushes the shipment into July, the automated EU customs scanner will flag the parcel because the new €3 duty is missing from the electronic declaration.

Customs will then hand the blocked package over to your local postal service (like PostNL, DHL, An Post) to collect the €3 shortage. Because your local post office has to manually process, clear, and hold the package for this discrepancy, they will slap on their mandatory fixed postal handling/clearance fees. Depending on your country, this adds an extra €6 to €13 penalty on top of the €3 duty, entirely due to the IOSS mismatch caused by the delay.

Edit: This is specifically meant for the people who ordered the Echoes Saga set, not the EU tariffs in general. As the Echoes Saga was originally supposed to ship in April.

To anyone saying they are not obligated to pay for this, yes they are according to the UK Consumer Rights Act 2015

Relevant Sections Section 28 of the UK Consumer Rights Act 2015

Section 19 of the Consumer Rights Act 2015

My intention of this post is not to argue though, it is simply to inform other EU Customers that the Broken Binding does not intend to compensate them for what they should, so that they can make an informed decision on however they want to deal with this. As Broken Binding apparently is not going to be clear about this, unless asked directly

u/HoidsRoommate — 8 days ago

Shipping Delay - The Echoes Saga 1-3

The Echoes Saga has yet again been delayed. I have e-mailed them to ask what they intend to do with the now extra costs due to the tariffs of €3,- being imposed on an order that originally shouldn't have had it. And if they will pay EU Customers for those.

u/HoidsRoommate — 9 days ago

Update on Delays for A Time of Dragons 3, The Echoes Saga and additional shipping costs for people with Bolt-Ons with Malice.

I decided to e-mail TBB for some clearing up on delays and the possible extra costs for EU customers (the €3,- tariffs) when orders placed before July 1st get delayed and shipped after July 1st.

u/HoidsRoommate — 10 days ago

So the shipping page got updated again and they added a little explanation on the delays. As shown in the screenshot above.

So it sounds like not only Malice is delayed as they mentioned before, but now Valour is too. So even more delays. Then, still no expected shipping date on Of Blood and Fire apparently.

Personally, I ordered A Time of Dragons 3 as well, which even with the delay was expected to ship at the end of April, but that is not even mentioned here.

I'm so confused how they can keep delaying things more and more lately.

u/HoidsRoommate — 23 days ago