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Conversation about types of people in the political discouse with Destiny.

Conversation about types of people in the political discouse with Destiny.

Link: https://youtu.be/2OG8aGYEqaQ?si=Pf0NGtSx-MxLJ0Ba

This is a conversation Destiny had on how to label different types/levels of people and their attitude/level of awareness of the kind of movement they are supporting.

I am not a Destiny fan.But I think this conversation makes a lot of sense. Destiny has been a streamer for over a decade.He is really knowledgable on how a movement spreads.How to combat your haters.How to use your Fandom to spread your vision of the world.

I think creators should not become audience captured and only say things they think their audience want to hear.If Dean genuinely cares about the political discourse then he will be carefull with his words so that they cant be used by haters/opponents/Trump supporters why cutting a clip in a bad faith manner.If his fanbase is harrasing people he should put very strict red lines on what people on the chat cant do(not in a non chalatant/joking manner but seriously).Maybe he should ban people who send death threats and fake rape accusations to the people he is debating with.

If he is constantly body shaming right wing men then his audience will think it is acceptable behaviour.If Dean is being misogynistic or racist to people if they are Trump supporters then his fanbase will think it is okay to be misogynistic or racist to people as long as they are on the right or not progressive enough.

u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 20 hours ago

Parker please post your debate with Jesusandwhatnot on your channel.

Parker should post the debate on his channel(You Tube and Tiktok both) so everyone can see the reaction of his audience on the debate.I think the debate should be posted as soon as possible so the narrative of Jesusandwhatnot's audience does not dominate the opinion on how the debate went.His fans are "Trad Catholics" and they will try very hard to defend him.As you are debating about their faith.

Parker should watch his debate with other atheists and get an idea on the types of arguments he has used with other Atheists.He mostly debates protestants.He is not used to debating Athiest all that much.But he uses a lot Saint Aquinas' arguments.Parker should write his opening statements and provide positive arguments in favour of Atheism.Noah might also talk about "scientifically proven" miracles as he did in his debate with another Athiest.

Parkergetajob please be prepared for the debate as he has a big Trad Catholic or Trad Christian audience.He doesn't believe in gay marriage.He thinks gay people should be celibate for the rest of their lives.He hates progressive protestant churches.He converted to Catholism because it has objective morality,dogma of the church and church fathers have reconciled a lot of contradictions in the Bible.

Parker you need to study some important things that Catholics believe in.Please represent the Athiest and Agnostic side well on the Debate.And please post the debate on your channel as soon as possible.Dont make the mistake that Dean made by not posting separately the debate between him and Noah as a video.His audience was able to completely dominate the opinion on how the Debate went.

All the best🫡.May the best man win.

u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 days ago

Dean please upload a video on You Tube debunking the allegations.

Dean please post short and long form videos on You Tube debunking the false allegations.It will help your You Tube audience to debunk the allegation better .Ask Parker to post a video debunking the allegation.Ask all your friends to cover the topic dubunking the allegations as soon as possible.

Please stay safe Dean.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 days ago

Dean should upload a video debunking the allegations.

I think making a false rape accusation is one the worst thing somebody can do.I want Dean to take it very seriously especially because his job depends on his reputation.He should upload a video summarizing the entire situation and debunk it thoroughly.Try to make it viral so that even the maga people who dont know the full story have to confront the evidence of how fake the allegations are.The statements made by Emily are super important.Reasons why a pro life debate guy might want to sabotage him??

Most people don't watch his 4 hour live stream.Maybe he should also post short form content from the streams when he is addressing the allegations.I think once people see the evidence most people would believe him.The video needs to be detailed and well done.Maybe even add some clips from the streams.

Dean please make a official scripted video addressing the situation.I understand you are not doing well mentally.But I think it is the best way to clear your name.Your audience who watches you daily already believes you.The video is for people who only know you through some viral clips.

Dean you deserve all the love in the world.Nobody deserves what you went through.I wish you find peace and happiness 😊.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 4 days ago

Women are getting reactionary.

Not all women are feminist and not all feminist are well versed in what the feminist position is on a topic.Due to the rise of the mansophere,incels and the alt right,women have started hating misogynist men and use the word men as a synonym for misogynist men sometimes.

Feminism doesn't believe in body shaming anybody[why would you make fun of someone for their height when it is something for the most part out of their control?].Feminist don't believe that men who have a girlfriend are more valuable than men who do not.Feminist use the word incel as a synonym for a misogynist.As the incel forums are extremely misogynistic.Feminist never use the word single as an insult.Feminist care about the loneliness epidemic.Feminist just don't like it when men make the loneliness crisis a not getting laid crisis and blame women for the problem.Women actually want to be friends with men if they are classmates or share a common hobby.Feminist want to encourage men to have good friendships with other men.

Feminism doesn't hate men.It hates the system of patriachy.Feminist know that we cannot just blame a systematic problem on individual teenage boys.Feminist are critical of the patriachy and dont hate men.Feminist believe that socialisation plays a very important role in how men and women behave. Feminist also dont want women with internalized misogyny to uphold the system of patriachy either.Patriachy truly only benefits the men at the very top.Patriachy says women are too weak to fight wars.So we must only draft men on the basis of their gender alone.Feminism says abolish the draft.It says if abolishing the draft is not possible then draft both men and women.Give roles to people on the basis of their capability.Modern militaries require various roles like on sight hospitals,chefs and strategist.Feminist say that ideally there should be no gendered expectation that men have to pay on the first date.Today men on average earn more and socialisation leads to this expectation being placed on men.Feminist women are more likely to believe in spilting the bill compared to conservative women and men.

We need to give both men and women paid maternity and paternity leave for nine months which is compulsory to take after the couple decides to have a kid.It will help manage the increase in the wage gap in women after 30.As it will give a woman time to take care of herself and heal.The father will have the opportunity to spend time with his kids and help the mom in her healing journey.It will also account for the loss in promotion ability and experience time faced by women.Then it will make having kids more attractive and fair to women who desire to have kids.Rules for not firing parents immediately by brutal capatalist are needed.We need to give constructin workers and childcare workers better wages as they are necessary for society and not properly compensated in society.We want men to join the fight for emancipation of people from the patriachy because it is the ethical thing to do and not only if it personally benefits them in some way.Just like we want white people and all people for that matter to join the fight against white supremacy and towards the flourishment of human beings.

Feminist sometimes ignore male sexual violence victims and male objectification.I know it is an issue that affects women more due to the historical and current oppression women face.But we must try our very best to help all victims and we are fighting against all exploitation.We also need to talk about how men are raped in prisons.A lot of crime is due to poverty.The prison system unfairly punishes people instead of solving the underlying condition which leads to crime in the first place.

Btw I don't want people to attack me by calling me an angry incel man.I am a feminist and a woman.

Liberal feminism/choice feminism/white feminism which average 18 year old woman knows about often misses important nuances and social media promotes provocative content. Feminism needs to be as intersectional as possible.We need to care about working class men,black men,trans men,disable men,young unemployed men,trans women,cis women,black women and people suffering in third world countries due to the aftermath of colonization and imperialism etc.

Instead of saying men oppressed and are oppressing women.We should say patriarchy oppressed and is oppressing women particularly but it also opresses men in different ways.As the patriachy believes in prescribed and strict gender roles which it claims is either grounded in religion,natural hierarchy necessary for a stable society or the innate biology [it says women are too weak and thus we need to control women to "protect" them.]

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 10 days ago

How some women use the term "men".

Women use the word men as a synonym for misogynist men.When women make bad generalized statements about men they are most of the time are talking about Trump supporters,incels and misogynists.

Women are not talking about feminist and democratic men.They are not talking about their male friends or favorite men on the internet.

Bad man=Trump supporter=doesn't care about my rights=rape apologist=wife beater=misogynist.

Women in the 2010s used to believe that men are cool [non chalant]because they play video games,love anime,dont care about looks and grades.Women had a lot of internalized misogyny.They wanted to be the girl who was one the guys,wanted to spilt the bill in half,wanted to play sports with men,hated chivalry (it treated women differently)and wanted to prove to the world that girls and boys are exactly the same by becoming as much boyish[cool] as possible.Women thought barbies and makeup are the most cringe and fake shit ever.It is associated with third wave feminism which is very sex positive and pro hook up culture.

Fourth wave feminism focuse more on women embracing theirs feminity[some women now think that all men think like myron ganes and so it is better to be single and have female friends.Women should not get married as they will have to do more unpaid labour at home and go through pregnancy and child birth.A child will lead to more increase in the wage gape and there is a possibility of sexual abuse.]

The things girls thought were cool are now associated with misogyny due to the rise of the manosphere and dating advice podcasts.Now women associate gym bros,crpyto bros with the right.Now women sometimes think all young men are just Andrew tate and Andrew wilson fanboys .Now feminist have even started hating men talking about the draft which feminist believe should be abolished as it is mostly brought up by misogynist men to dunk on feminism.Many men are talking about repealing the 19 th Amendment.These men not realising that the draft being only for men is the result of patriarchal standards for men and a conservative position.

Some conservative women have a very bioessetinalist view of men and think "boys will be boys".So weird jokes are fine because it is their nature and so not surprising at all.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 12 days ago

Dean is getting sexually harrased by the trolls.

Trolls are talking about masturbation,dildos and touching him.If someone said those things to someone in real life everyone will agree that it is sexual harassment.People who say those things should be reported by the chat and Dean should be more stern in talking about how it is weird behaviour that should be discouraged especially in a political live stream.(Otherwise it signals to the chat that it is not that serious or just a joke.)

I think objectifying and overally sexualising Dean is wrong.Sometimes even Dean's progressive audience does not call out how harmful it is.I know it is an issue which affects more women but men should not be over sexualised and sexually harassed😬.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 17 days ago

Dean shouldn't Platform people he doesn't agree with ideologically as much as he does.

Instead of bringing someone 100th time talking about the n word controversy,he should just tell the audiences his side of the story.Maybe mention the name of the people spreading lies so his fans can correct the misinformation.As it only encourages people who spread lies when he talks to random trolls/haters about this topic every other day.He has no obligation to platform the haters.He should also explain to newer fans about his side of the story and how his haters are spreading complete lies.

If he has a bad reputation then it could harm his chances of working with politicians.He shouldn't platform very far left people just because they are friends if they are ruining his reputation.He can be friends in person.It doesn't mean he has the obligation to platform people with ideas he doesn't agree with at all.Or maybe tell his position on a naunced subject clearly and how he disagrees with the people he is platforming.As Dean shares some responsibility about who he endorses and collabs with and how it will affect the future political discource and his position/reputation.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 1 month ago

The "vibe" of Parker and Dean.

Parker gives off the upper middle class white guy who grew up in a Christian household in L.A but is now an Atheist and genuinely cares about progressive causes and is advocating since 2020 and will never be friends with a Trump supporter.He grew up with money and doesn't really care that much about money and views.The typical romcom protagonist who doesn't really care about romantic attention from girls and has a mixed friendgroup with cool girls who skate or something.Once he falls in love with a girl he becomes the most romantic guy who would rather his girlfriend hate him then she is hurt by anyone.

Dean gives off insecure loser incel guy vibes.The guy who would google how to impress a girl on the internet and will think someone like Andrew tate is the top G or whatever.He is literally the meme of a guy who makes gym selfies as his profile and will get compliments from other guys instead of women.The guy who wants to buy supercars to get the "bitches" to showoff to his guy friends how hot his girlfriend is.The guy who thinks if a woman laughed at his jokes then it surely means she is interested in him.The guy who constantly braggs about how many views he gets.The guy who constantly talks about how much he can bench press.

I don't think these things are actually true about them.I think Dean genuinely loves his girlfriend and maybe even wants to marry her in the future.I genuinely think that he values his friendship with Parker a lot.I think a lot of these characteristics are maybe little shadows of how he used to be when he was 14 or something.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 1 month ago

Dean saying we should influence more people to get an abortion.

Choices pregnant women make are heavily determined by their socialization,economic condition,personal beliefs of their family members and society at large.If someone believes abortion is a sin/murder then they will not get an abortion even if they were raped or the pregnancy will lead to very bad economic,mental or physical outcomes.

This is the main difference between choice feminism which argues as long as the woman chose to stay at home and obey her husband then its fine.A lot of fourth wave feminist reject choice feminism.As no choice is made in a vacuum.If a woman is told from birth that her purpose in life is to submit to her husband and be a homemaker(women will only be happy at home) then she is making an anti feminist choice[should be criticized]and not all choices are created equal.

It is also difficult to tell if she chose to stay at home because childcare is very expensive and taking care of the child is important.Then the parent which makes less money will most likey leave the job(probably the woman).Women are also socially expected to do more child care.Moms who work are called selfish for neglecting their child but not the father.

Even if she freely chose to do something which only affects her,it doesn't mean it should be legal or morally okay.If someone willing signed a contract to be a slave their entire life then it should still be illegal.As it is such a bad choice for the overall good of society government should ban it.Imagine a person who is brainwashed to believe they will be the happiest being a slave or they were designed by God to be a slave and it is their purpose.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 1 month ago

Dean should debate Kai Schwemmer.

Kai Schwemmer will be one of the speakers at TPUSA college debate/discussion soon.I would love to see a debate with him on Abortion,gay marriage and his racism(black people and crime or whatever 🙄).I think Dean should debate more famous people on the conservative/Maga side.It will expose his content to new audiences(who dont even know liberal talking points/arguments against their position).If one the debates got viral then it would help educate even more people.

I think Dean should collab/have discussions with people on the left like Hasan.Maybe discuss current news stories or talk about his opinion on JD Vance vs Rubio debate.I think he should also talk to some more niche creators on the left who talk about feminism,veganism,criminal justice reforms, AI,Climate Change,Trans rights etc.People who are very informed but not as famous on specific topics.

I think he should also post on Bluesky and be aware about the arguments made by people on Bluesky as a lot of progressive people left Twitter[it is a neo nazi propaganda arm at this point].

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 1 month ago

Reasons why people ship Parker and Dean together.

I think most straight right wing men do it to Dean and Parker to describe them as not "real men". As for some reason being gay(a lot of homophobia comes from misogyny)=feminine[it is a sexuality?]=not a man who is actively fighting some wild animal(according to the most weird chronically online incel homophobic "alpha men" on the internet😅).Some leftwing teenage girls or women do it because they are "obessed" with shipping /writing fanfiction about their favorite men on the internet.People love shipping on the internet in general especially if the creators are very good friends or hate each other now but used to be best friends like Destiny and Hasan.It also happens to friends of the opposite sex.Woke people don't do it that much because it means they are saying that men and women can't just be friends or people are sexualising women doing normal stuff.So they are more likely to sexualise good male friendships where both people are somewhat good looking and they have a lovely dynamic.Male friendships get sexualised more as most male friendships are not as emotionally supportive.They dont say I love you as often and platonically as women do.[If you care about your guy friends as a man,it surely means you are sexually attracted to them.]

There are some right wing men who sexualise their friendship because they genuinely think they look wholesome together.(Right wing men who are not as homophobic or disagree morally with gay marriage only because of the bible).When leftwing lgbt+ people do it .They are doing it as a compliment or neutrally just making playful jokes.

For right wing women it depends.There are some who use it as an insult or they are shipping them like most women.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 1 month ago

What do you guys think about chivalry.

Click the link to a video titled:The myth of chivalry https://youtu.be/fyEXhK3YCIY?si=dVHzDDuPLvM8twUF

I think everyone should hold the door for people regardless of gender.We should help people in need,elderly or weaker people irrespective of gender and more depending on the fact who is stronger in the scenario.

I think the existence of chivalry in history is pretty rare and overly exaggerated in its noble intentions.I think chivalry can be considered as benevolent sexism.

I think we should all have good manners and care about people and help others whenever we can.

I am not saying you can't have a man do "chivalrous"things.I am saying sometimes you should buy him flowers as well and give him very thoughtful gifts on Valentines Day.

I am not condemning romance enjoyer girlies here 😊😅 and I know every relationship has unique flavors.

u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 months ago

Dean saying Supreme Court's decision on trans women in sports doesn't matter because it doesn't effect "that many people".

If black people were 1% of the population then would you not care about segregation?If only 10 black people visited a shop in a year then would you care if they banned all black people from entering? Trans girls can be banned from school and college sports teams according to this decision in many republican states.It also excluded women who had taken hormones,pass very well or have no advantage over an average woman.

Laws give legitimacy in the eyes of the public and help in social acceptance.Support for gay marriage increased rapidly after legalisation.Trans women who already have such high depression rate can now be legally segregated from playing sports and we know that social acceptance would help in reducing the suicide rate.

Dean should engage in the trans debate instead of saying why do you care about such a small percent of the population.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 months ago

Reason why a lot of Dean haters think that he is performative.

According to Merriam-Webster someone is described as "performative" when their actions, words or emotions are done primarily for show to impress others or curate a specific image,rather than being sincere and authentic.Some people argue that everyone is a little performative.When you are new to something in the starting you will have to be a little performative untill you transform into the very thing you were performing.Others say it is better to be performative while doing a good thing than doing nothing at all(Mr. Beast).Just like most people think that a majority of politicians are liars who don't actually care about their principles and care more about money,fame and power.Most people think a lot of youtube apologies are insincere and half hearted.

I think one of the reasons haters think Dean is performative is because sometimes he uses incel [used as synonym for misogynist] terminology(alt right anti feminist in nature)unironically or uses them at all in a serious debate live.He body shames bald guys and was making a joke about Trump's Penis size (ungraceful but more dark woke adjacent).Interested in crypto (most people on the left think crpto is a scam). Sometimes it feels like he is shitting on guys to impress the women in his audience.

Performative male "feminist" (right believes every male who is a feminist is performative as they cannot conceive of a male who genuinely believes in the ideals of feminism) is not just a feminist who happens to be a male or just a feminist who believes in equal rights for all genders and liberation of people from the patriarchy and is very sincerely committed to the cause and extends solidarity to women.He has very surface level knowledge of feminism who just wants to impress women and sleep with them.

People expect more principles and morally righteous behavior from advocates of a political cause than people doing regular jobs.

Nobody used to say I am advocating for a cause to make money.No politician would say I want to be the president for fame and power.People think people in politics can have a very significant effect on lives of many and they should be super transparent especially if they are lieing or misleading their audience after accepting donation("scaming the audience").

One reason some people might think Dean is performative is because he is not progressive enough and still believes in a lot of reactionary views or his moral views are not logically consistent.[Maybe he doesn't have "correct" position on a progressive cause].

Some people think that maybe he intellectually believes in his views but not emotionally believes it or sometimes makes statements or jokes which contradict his views. Like a person who believes logically that all human beings have equal moral worth but he might be a racist or do and say racist things unconsciously.

Dean also has a maga family.There is a reason Parker doesn't get called performative as much as Dean.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 months ago

I think it is inappropriate and rude to ask who is the top or bottom.

I think is it abrasive to ask gay men or straight men who is the top or bottom.If they tell you on their own accord then it's fine but in most cases you should not ask as it is a very private matter and you should not assume the answer either.Gay men should not be fetishized and made uncomfortable by women. I know women get accused of fetishizing gay men when they just love that particular romance series.And women love a romace show with less misogyny, traditional gender roles and more equal partnership.Women also love the settings and world building with less homophobia and misogyny present in these romace shows.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 months ago

Hot take: I think women get more hate for reading smutt books than men get for watching porn.

I think the porn industry as it is now is highly unethical.It is a hub for human trafficking,sexual violence and leads to dehumanization of women.Most of the onlyfans models and sex workers are from lower socio-economic class.Most women on Onlyfans make around $ 200 I believe and only the top earning models make millions.

Some people call prostitution the oldest profession.People didn't hate on porn as much as they hate on Onlyfans.Pornstars had even less autonomy on their income and things they would be comfortable in performing.I believe you cant buy consent(my opinion) when it relates to sex and it is coercion.I know some people would say there is no ethical consumption under capitalism.People bring the example of coal mining.I think it is worse to coerce someone to do something sexually.And I believe it would be a good thing if all the super "hard working jobs" that is jobs that lower life expectancy or quality of life got automated.The industry would not exist if the demand didn't exist. It is very hard for women who worked in the industry to get another job and it lowers their life expectancy.

I think it is better to read smutt books,manga or hentai than watch porn.

BTW I think shipping people in real life or sexualising friendships if they are uncomfortable with it is wrong.It is different for fictional characters.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 months ago

Liberal/Leftist men should stop calling women Karen

I think the Karen meme was originally used to refer to a middle aged entitled racist white woman who harrased people of colour and the term originated in the black community.

But now the term is used by people to refer to women whenever they are being assertive,showing anger or discomfort and if you disagree with her political views.Liberal/Leftist men call maga women who have internalized misogyny or brainwashed by the religion that they should have less leadership roles Karen all the time.

They think it is okay to be misogynistic if the woman doesn't agree with their political views.Just like how Liberal/Leftist men would say misogynistic things and use the word "white women" instead of women.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 months ago

I really miss the "boys" from 2016ish era[perception of boys according to a lot of girls]

Girls used to think "boys"(interchangeable with men) are super cool.They don't care about their looks and have great friendships("Bros before hoes" ).Girls used to believe girl friendships are catty and they talk about makeup (eww) and pink(cringe).Every girl had a I hate pink phase. A lot of girls wanted to be one of the guys and I am only friends with the guys because of less drama.Guys didn't care about handwriting and doing homework(it was considered cool) and girls were annoying teacher's pet. It was the cool girl syndrome or not like the other girls.I know a lot of it was due to internalized misogyny and hating everything feminine.Many girls believed in the girls and boys stereotypes.

Now girls think most men are misogynist manosphere guys who complain about feminism and are crypto scam artist.They talk about who is or is not a "real" man .They talk about how upset they are that men are becoming "less" masculine[why do you care?].Now girls think most men are obsessed with getting a girlfriend and getting laid.

Girls used to think men are cool and now they think most of them are chuds.

I sometimes miss the old days😅.

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u/Horror_Nectarine_327 — 2 months ago