u/How_Much2

Is taking cleanse in some match ups worth it?

I see desperatenasus take cleanse into some match ups that'd be devastating if you were to get CC'ed like vs Zoe. I think one E and Q would get you down to 50% which is crazy.

Does it really help? Zoe's E CD is 20 seconds. Your cleanse is 250 seconds.. So I guess you're removing your ability to TP back to lane with a spell you can only use once from levels 1-6. Doesn't seem worth it for me.

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u/How_Much2 — 10 days ago

Is presence of Mind + Dorans start worth it?

The minion rune only restores 1 hp per kill. It's rarely enough for sustain. 6-7Hp per wave? 1 Auto will take more then that.

I find Dorans + Presence of mind is way better since Kayle has a built in heal. I rarely run out of mana. I don't see the Presence doing that much, probably only 80 mana in 10 minutes, so I guess the Doran's ring is doing all the work. 2 mana per second for 5 seconds after every harass sounds pretty good combined with the rune.

All this so you can W to sustain. The only thing I need to worry about is pushing the wave too far. I play Kayle mid mostly, so some champs, you can just E all day and refill your mana.

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u/How_Much2 — 5 months ago

Did anyone ever do the math on these 3 items?

I am not a fan of D&D. So I usually just go with the old build

T2 -> Nashors + Deathcap.

3rd item I can never figure out but surpirsely I find Void staff doing the most work.

Void Staff

Shadowflame

LichBane

I think somebody told me here Lichbane gives the best flat damage? Having enough Kayle games, after deathcap, my LB usually does around 200-230 Proc when I get it. Which is nice.

I can't calulate how much Void staff is giving me but it seems the most effective. But LB is nice. The worst is Shadowflame, I don't notice that much of a difference, I think it's because that proc is worthless unless you can get them below 40%. Which is difficult if you're going in and out (new targets every time). I guess it just depends on your style. I rarely take PTA anymore because nobody ever lets me just stand there and attack 1 target.. Maybe do 3 hints and leave. Lichbane would shine in that case.

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u/How_Much2 — 5 months ago

Does your Kayle do damage in normal games?

I only do the most damage in games where I carry. On games where I go even or lose, I do less damage then the support. I have no idea why this is happening, I harrass and roam, but I guess kayle just naturally have no damage pre 11 and by that time, it's not enough to catch up to that minion damage you did early.

It is so annoying, even games when I dominate, "lol you did only 20k damage" with 12 kills. Then they accuse you of KSing. No way I can do 20k and have 12 kkills.

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u/How_Much2 — 5 months ago

Not really a fan of Doran's bow & Dusk Till Dawn. Doran's bow doesn't give health, which makes it very tough to survive burst.

Dusk Till Dawn delays Deathcap.

My old build was Swifties -> Nashors Tooth -> Deathcap -> Shadowflame.
Do you still get Deathcap as second item?

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u/How_Much2 — 5 months ago