u/Hypermobil3

I read through the guides and didnt see this, which I certainly understand. but wanted to share in case it helps someone. long story short I had quite a spiritual awakening a couple years ago. I have a degenerative connective tissue disease and was approved for medical euthanasia. I was an atheist my whole life. I was so excited to get approved.

then my brother in law died suddenly. took my spot so to speak. my husband FREAKED because we have no other family and no kids. when our dogs die he’d be alone forever. so I decided to live for the man I love and it created a crack that let the light in. walla - the dark night of the soul turned the great awakening.

what has helped me more than anything with this addiction, acutes, and PAWs is my spiritual teacher. she is also my meditation coach and does hypnosis. hypnosis is not what they make it seem like it is on TV. it can really help with everything. I saw her every single day during acutes and 2 x a week since (I am 33 days clean today from a 3.5k-4k mg a day addixtion). I have been seeing her for a few years but she’s been vital for me with this sobriety. Hypnosis reprograms your subconscious to stop fucking yoj over - release and relax during acutes, build new neuro pathways for healthy dopamine, sleep through the night, heal, recover from PAWs sooner. Etc.

i certainly understand this is not for everyone but I never see this spoken about so figured I’d do it. Finally, it requires two words to describe us - human being. The human part is what struggles with all of this (to include PAWs). The being part recovers much faster. If you’re spiritual, lean into that for your sobriety as that is so much bigger than you and bounces back pretty quickly.

rememeber. You are not your mind or your body. be the being in human being. Ditch the human duality, the useless mind activity that is not you (similar to how you cannot take credit for pumping your own blood because that’s bigger than yo—-your mind is not you). Ditch identifying with form (body form or mind thought form).

I live in pheonix and frequent Sedona very often. it’s magnificent.

i need help! I would like to take my mother in law on a vortex tour. however, I want to go with one person who is a local with a small business or a small business run by a local. I don’t want to go with one of these big companies exploiting sedonas magic for their gains.

does anyone have any recommendations? TIA!!!

disclaimer: please proceed at your own risk I do not know your athletic capability.

blah blah long story short I had quite a spiritual awakening a couple years ago and have been practicing presence since then even through my addiction. everyone knows you feel like shit when you get sober until you don’t and you need to do all the classics to get back to remotely a human being again (sun in eyes and on body first thing, exercise, eat right, blah blah).

well holy crap I hit the jackpot today. I was rock climbing in the valley of the sun aka pheonix AZ and I figured it out. if you get real real lazer focused and challenge yourself where you MUST BE PRESENT EVERY MOVE EVERY FOOT DOWN HAND DOWN PULL UP nothing else matters. this forces you to make the present moment of the utmost importance with no other thought or else you’ll fall off the cliff and die. then you get hella dopamine cuz you did it.

again don’t do something you can’t but if you enjoy something consider making it more challenging than typical (after you have at least a couple weeks of good meals in ya)

30 days clean today with zero 7oh and feeling gods presence within and all around me. seriously it’s so moving to have this milestone. I am so grateful I am able to stand on the shoulders of thos who came before me and documented everything you need to know in this subreddit (just search first guys that’s really bare minimum of what he asks and no one else is gonna care like this).

I cold turkeyed an absurd 3.5k-4k+ mg addiction in my guest room. this is not a weird flex I am not proud of that at all but i am here to say it can be done. you need to do whatever way that will work for you. set yourself up for success with no option to deviate from your plan. you need to get brave and commit to a plan by going to the websites and reading the amazing material provided in this subreddit. you need to lock into your plan and don’t read the fear or really anything online minus the guides and quitting 7oh . Org until the upswing because that’s irrelevant to you don’t let someone else’s fear poison your decisions

the one thing I will say is that I waited 25 days to seek help for insane diarreah and stomach pain to the likes of a chest burster coming out my guts at any moment. I know this is what happens during WD and was trying to take care of it via natural remedies. well turned out I had the parasite and golly I feel A LOT better now. morale of the story is know the symptoms but don’t wait too long if something seems off.

day 25 zero 7oh for ya girl who cold turkeyed (am not in any way judging… this is what I had to do) an absurd 3.5k-4k + mg a day addiction. For me, game face time came after accutes and is still a very big challenge… living one right choice at a time one second at a time one day at a time. Doing the most to try to get my dopamine pathways or whatever back (work out hard, sun light in the eyes and on body first thing then lots throughout the day, walking, makinf and eating good food, etc) AKA I’m lighting the lighter but the spark ain’t coming. I know it’s a process and I am committed to trying all natural for at least four months before anything else

like so many I was in big denial / maintained reasonable doubt ignorance for what this was doing to my body. when I quit, it became real real REAL clear I fried my guts. My issue is I did not seek help until day 20 for this… or else I could have helped myself way sooner (see help below). I’m talking scorched earth fried. Even though I feel beaten by a sock full of batteries on the prison yard, my fried guts has been the most uncomfortable and concerning thing In all of this. I am old and for better or worse I can shove my lack of motivation and happiness into a deep pit that never sees the light of day again. but the fried guts thing for weeks and weeks is enough to make someone real concerned

i am happy to report today I had my first real ish 💩 in 25 days thanks to the mod for this subreddit. I have been taking husk, chia seeds soaked in water, drinking cambota or whatever it’s called, blackseed oil, and a high quality probiotic. Just yesterday I asked my naturopath to send the parasite script in for me, which I will pick up but I will only take if this is a false flag and runs continue another week. Really guys just search first for things and follow the rules so that this guy does not abandon ship. We will not get a better mod. Even if you don’t like what he has said you cannot deny the benefit that we get to stand on the shoulders of a man who has come before us like none other (sooooo much knowledge and published info on how to unfuck yourself plus he responds if you can’t find an answer or have a specific issue). I digress.

people if an old ass lady like me can do this so can you!

I know I’ve said it but here goes again. I do not go online very often at all but have been glued to this subreddit since getting out of acutes. this community has been beautiful to be apart of and I am grateful to have you guys even if the circumstances are bad.

I am day 13 clean from an insane 3.5k-4.5k+ mg daily addiction. again at the risk of sounding like a douche, I grew up in poverty and worked 15 years straight to include Christmas and moved across the country alone 3 times to eventually open my own firms and am also a landlord. the reason I’m saying this is because the only thing limiting my use was time in day - I had zero regard for costs. I am an older lady who struggled with addiction from age 14-24 and 26-30ish but have been sober minus legal prescriptions for over a decade until starting this devil shit nine months ago.

I spilled my guts to my husband day 5-6ish. this was not the first time I hid addiction from him. he was and is not happy but doesn’t understand quite what I told him. and good. because the bigger point is I am not hiding anything else from him but how could he ever believe me? his reaction is about 3/10 again because he doesn’t understand what I told him. its his bday soon and I told him not to look at the boxes coming. he accused me of buying drugs. I’m going for a work trip this week. same. I do not blame him. all in all he’s being very supportive and we have a super strong marriage with the exception of me doing dumb shit like this.

I spilled my guts to three friends right before I quit who I knew would not judge me and answer the phone and help push my ass up the mountain. I cannot lie. I can lie by omission only. I told them this and to constantly ask me if I am clean for eternity to help me be accountable.

the under current of anxiety and depression is coming. I’m going to look for local meetings. I need more support and I’m going to get it. I will hold the line at all costs.

my sleep, food intake, and obviously mood are the last box cars on this train. I know it takes time. yesterday my mind was starting to lie to me like a charming demon but I was able to identify it and sit as the conscious observer and not passenger until the energy field burned out.

this drug appeared to have made my perimenopause issues sky rocket as well. not sure if it was mini WDs constantly or the hormone fudgery. I am reflectinf and am shocked with my behavior. I spent years hounding local ranchers and farmers to source my food. I am a clean eater. I only put clean products on my skin and body. high quality supplements daily. workout a lot. am healthy weight. it’s just suprisinf I would take endless handfuls of something I did not REALLY know what it was. of course I spoke to my vendor, read the labs, and generally trust the guy but unless you’re the one running and reading and interpreting the lab reports yourself you don’t TRULY know. i also feel like a psychopath for being able to conceal being high as fuck for a few months then chasing it and getting maybe 1/10 days while my husband, clients, friends, and tenants had no clue. I am trying not to think this way because nothing good will come from it.

big rant. I am feeling better althiugh not linear and am looking forward to making a local support system to lean on more.

I will probably fade away soon as I don’t go online much but this group has been so critical. I want everyone to be successful in whatever that means for them. much love everyone.

EDIT 2 - the intent of this post got lost. I am not trying to tell people what to do or shame anything. Quite the opposite. Truly, whatever way works for YOU is the right way. Apologize if I offended as that was not my intent at all. To me, I thought it was clear me saying “do what works for you” “there’s a time and a place” = me not telling people what to do. I am mistaken Please do what works for you

today is day ten clean for me from an absurd 3.5k-4K+ mg a day addiction. Thankfully I only been on this devil shit nine months. the only thing that limited my use was literal time in day to keep eating it Between back to back work meetings usually. it snowballed really quickly. I was on my taper batch for over six months and only increasing. I knew I had a big problem but also was in denial at the same time. I would take it in the middle of the night even. My own husband didn’t know I was doing this. I lived a secret life of guilt and shame. I digress

anyways, I cold turkeyed this thing with minimal helper meds as I really want to be sober and not trade. But also cuz I am an addict and stopped lying to myself another way was possible. During acute WDs, I also had an ovarian cyst rupturing during this time as the cherry on the shit pie but it’s good to suffer Sometimesheres what I recommend:

-everyone is different and needs to do what will be successful for them. the amount of people going straight to s u b s or other trades without attempting cold turkey does make me sad. I highly recommend at least attempting cold turkey at home. Here’s more specifics: hour 24+ clean is when the acutes really begin (the rest is more mental from 0-24ish hours IMO); if you cannot take off work, that means quitting the day before the weekend or whatever two days you have off is ideal aand then you head to your final work week with mental WD but can push through, peak at home, then return (of course it takes time to feel better but this is the worst of it). lay the tracks you have flu symptoms but not flu as that is lying lying as soon as you quit so if you have to call off it’s no surprise. perhaps also mention the bug going around….

more specific recommendations:

-getting through acutes with no option to deviate from your plan or relapse sets you up for success. Everyone has non negotiables in their life that are not an option (working out, meditating daily, etc)—make this the same. everyone is different but acutes do pass. just know every second that goes by is one less in this stage and one more for the tax you have to pay to leave this not so merry go round. see my other posts about suffering and ancient peoples going to great lengths to get uncomfortable and become more powerful than their minds. This is your own personalized test and journey to at least recognize your mind and body to an extent is lying to you, release and relax the toxic drug, and realize you’re a fucking badass who can survive more than you know

-people panic and go to the ER, listen to facilities that tell you detox and rehab is the only way, etc. consider the interests of all entities and do what is ultimately right for you to be successful. Set 20 minute timers during acutes and take notes on how you feel to figure out the patterns and not panic during the waves. Clearly, there is a Time and a place and you must judge.
-Really recommend continuous water and electrolyte drinking and anti diarreah pills. Get and take the damn anti diarreah pills If that’s all you do. Know you will have diarreah and need to drink. If You need to thrash and jerk, do it. If you need to scream, do it. If you need to cry do it. Just know it is not eternity in this stage.
-it’s hard to eat especially if you like to eat clean. It’s hard to work out during acutes and also without food. Give yourself grace during this time and eat when you can. By day 7, you need to start force feeding even if that means you gag each swallow. eat what you can tolerate and start forcing minimal exercise (if not entire workouts — I am not there yet) during this time. At the minimum, walk outside even if it makes you feel like you’re a vampire about to catch fire. I am a very clean eater and I have had more icecream these last ten days than I have in ten years. It’s easier to swallow liquid / semi liquid than food for me right now, so I am giving myself grace. Next week I’ll start worrying about cleaning up my diet and realky start working out again.

-if you’re already very thin with not much weight to lose, consider getting and forcing high calorie foods like protein shakes, milkshakes, etc. I am a woman and most women want to be thinner. consider this your own stomach flu away from goal weight ladies

-know post acute is not linear. Don’t compare days. your body is going through a lot of changes and recalibrating. I’m only ten days in but I plan on comparing weeks not days once I get to day 15 and on.

-remember old you pleasures. I forgot how mich I love the doors and have bbeen listening to my vinyls again. Do stuff Like that

HELPER MEDS: again what was right for me was right for me. I decided to get through with minimal assistance cuz I am an addict and want to be free again. I already had the below on hand - it’s help to me was not much but everyone different.
-if you can get trazadone that might help you fall asleep but not necessarily stay asleep

-gabapentin and muscle relaxers- I took these only a couple times as I didn’t see much help from them

-muscle relaxers creams - same as above

-anti diarreah pills - the life saver

-all the well known helper vitamins - I already take daily so didn’t see help but I’m sure they did

-during acutes and after, you can take Advil and tylonel at the same times and it does help with the body pain don’t take more than permitted per day though

-epsom salt baths really helped me once I was done peaking. I am talking damn near one huge bag per bath and one bath every two hours. I’m now taking only one or two baths a day

OTHER

-don’t go online until you’re through the acutes. no matter what, your subconscious is picking up on everything and could make your experience way worse than it needs to be. HOWEVER DO RECRUIT TWO FRIENDS MINIMIM EVEN IF VIRTUAL and have them commit to helping you, answering the phone and FaceTime, etc. it’s important to hear their voice. Call them even if you’re vulnerable. My bestie saw me naked hysterically crying through the peaks and she pushed my ass up the mountain. Shes never seen me cry. We are bonded more than ever. have your experience without doom scrolling but with at least two friends even if virtual to help push your ass up the mountain during moments of weakness.

if you feel alone I can be a virtual friend to you. I just also have to work again so I might be delayed. It’s good to have a handful of people so that at least one can be available at all times.

I am also in recovery for alcoholism sober over ten years. I love AA - it works for me. I haven’t done meetings for this. I am sure they’re great. Just something to consider as another tool especially post acutes when the mental game comes again.

remember only you control your own destiny. You are more powerful than your mind. You are more capable than the lies your mind tells you. you were born to be a wild animal for goodness sakes. its good to suffer - use it as your own journey to see just how powerful you are.

sorry for the mess and grammar errors

**EDIT i almost forgot one of the most critical parts. To each their own - remember. I am in my own spiritual awakening due to something totally unrelated for a few years now. I have a strict mediation practice and a super good coach. we both thought I was peaking on her couch and she did help me come off the ledge and relax a bit. That’s all dandy then the next 2 days were like LMFAO YOU IS SO DUMB THAT WAS NOTHING. If you’re spiritual, religious, have any higher meaning — lean into that harder than hell and it will help even if you delude yourself to get through.

I never used to go on reddit very often at all but I really want to see people who want to quit be successful and embrace this time. I am sure the people of this subreddit for more than since July 1 are irritated especially with the amount of people trying to shift to other drugs. i digress

i am 8 days zero 7oh from an obscene 3.5k-4k+ mg a day addiction. Even my own husband who I love and spend a lot of time with didn’t even know I was doing this. I felt so ashamed but now know the right emotion should be remorse not shame. I finally told him two days ago once the worst was through.

I grasped at straws I knew were not there to do a five day bullshit nonexistent taper (500, 400, 300, 200, 100 mg a day — 1 day each but aborted plan day 3 as I realized it was prolonging my WDs for zero gain). I knew I would never follow through with a real taper shit I been on my taper batch for six months but only increasing

yesterday I was able to make and eat a tiny bit of real food after making myself do a 2 mile run/walk combo. I also slept a glorious six hours — big improvements for me. I am looking forward to 30, 60, 90 and other milestones sober. I can’t wait to have a few days of real sleep under me. I’m going to go swim laps soon for the first time since stopping and am very excited to do this sober

clearly everyone is different and should do what is right for you. I really do think everyone should consider going CT and fighting through 1-3 days of peak WDs instead of trading for a more addicting and worse WD helper med. if that’s not an option for you so be it.

lay the tracks you have flu symptoms – not the flu as that’s lying lying— and get ready to do the damn thing

suffering is good. ancient peoples went to great lengths to get uncomfortable and become more powerful than their mind—sleeping on nails, walking on fire, entering desert with no supplies to name a few. consider this your personalized journey to become more powerful than your mind while also paying the tax / consequences for the actions. it may seem daunting but I can guarantee you you’ll be just fine if you get brave and get through this. get at least two people involved now to push your ass up the mountain at moments of weakness. stay accountable to them. if I can do this so can you. make a plan and make it not an option to deviate from it.

I made a post a bit ago that I would like to clarify. I have edited the original post but feel it’s necessary to make a new one for those who won’t see my edit. To those quitting: You SO GOT THIS IF I CAN DO IT, SO CAN YOU!!!!! You dont get to leave the 7oh building without paying the tax. make a better plan than I did and you will be just fine YOU GOT THIS I BELIEVE IN YOU

i first would like to apologize for minimizing the withdrawal. I was very naive. thank heavens or else I wouldn’t have had the balls to do what I did. here’s my story of how I finally admitted I cannot do a normal taper, got REAL REAL BRAVE AND COMMITTED, and swan dived into literal hell:

I have a degenerative connective tissue disease. my pain meds don’t touch my pain. about nine months ago I dislocated my jaw. it hurt so bad I turned to 7oh. What started as taking half a 30 mg tablet twice a day quickly scaled up to an obscene amount of 3500-4000mg+ a day. like many probably reading this, I knew it was a big problem and told myself for months this is my last purchase or I’m telling my husband and getting help.

fast forward to government releasing the news of making it illegal. I was strong for an instance and thought here’s my chance to actually do this (actually, I would have to buy at the smok shop once a week waiting for online delivery - I told the lady working there this shit is the devil for months and that I need to quit. She showed me the announcement and said this is good news for you. Either you can stock up or do the right thing). Bless her heart as that helped more than she can believe and I will thank her once this is illegal and I have zero temptations going inside.

ANYWAYS. Do not I repeat do not do what I did. I had enough on hand to instantly drop from circa 4000 mg daily to 500, 400, 300, 200, 100 (Each day - five days total). Aka my retard taper. I knew this was the dumbest idea possible but was grasping. I knew I could never go through with a “normal taper” as I’ve tried many times. However I threw it away day 200 mg (I took about 50 mg in the morning then abandoned plan as I was in insane withdrawal and realized this was making it worse). Either go full cold turkey or actually taper if you have the discipline.

the only thing that got me through the following was being very naive to the withdrawal I would encounter and then reminding myself I have suffered this much so far so why turn back just to suffer again eventually. I am not out of the woods yet at all but starting to feel waaayyyyy better (not doing exorcist style body jerks literally 24/7 is hella cool):

during my retard taper: insane bicycle legs, insomnia, anxiety, Gi issues (water out the butt and could not eat - did drink hella water)

day 200 mg when I bailed after 50 mg and flushed the rest: oh boy. All of the above plus bring on wild calf pain and leg jerks. Did see my meditation coach on this day and spilled my guts on her couch rocking like a caged animal. she said she had “seen worse” and helped get me off the ledge this day boy oh boy was I very ill prepared/so naive for what came next..

24-72 hours zero 7oh: exorcist style entire body jerks. Upper body did one thing lower body did another. Air conditioning felt like razor blades on my body. Insane body temp disregulation. Insane diarreah no food but water. The SMELLS - food and even my dog who I love - made me dry heave. NO SLEEP JUST TORTURE. again I believe my stupid “taper” really really prolonged this. This is what woke me up to how bad my problem was. I mean, clearly ~4K mg a day is bad and I knew it however I been a druggie and alcoholic (clean from all that over ten years minus this devil 7oh) and don’t remember going through ANYTHING LIKE THIS. good to know how much of an addict I am even though every second sucked. Bite the bullet and go cold turkey to have about a day of this or do a real taper.

72 hours to ~7 days zero 7oh. Really struggling to eat but force feeding bad calories as that’s all I can stand. Getting 3ish hours of sleep. On the upswing — slowly.

highly recommend: Anti diarreah pills. I suffered solo with virtual friends until I came clean to my husband just yesterday. Good to get the secret out but damn.

GOOD LUCK PEEPS YOU ARE NOT ALONE. DO THIS FOR YOURSELF! COMMIT TO A PLAN (make sure it is better than mine; believe me). Get your support in place even if it is virtual friends. Do what it takes. dig deep and BE MORE POWERFUL THAN YOUR MIND — it is insanely liberating to realize you are more powerful than your mind.

again, I apologize if I offended anyone in my older post. Please believe I was simply INSANELY naive (which benefitted me or else I would have never done this) but I mean zero disrespect. Those who came before me are badasses!!!!

probably like many others, I quickly became addicted to more and more 7oh. always saying this is the last purchase. always saying I’m going to get help if this isn’t my last purchase.

i decided to get clean with the recent news. i could have bought thousands of dollars of it and wait for the next thing to come (i did buy thousands of dollars of it but threw it away the moment i was strong thank heavens) I went from 4000 mg a day to 500 then down 100 mg everyday until it was over.

my words of advice are DO NOT READ about others stories. DO NOT READ annything related to withdrawals etc. instead get a support system and talk to them. I say that because you will subconsciously believe what you read will happen to you. the insane withdrawals. the day three insanity. trust me — I would have faced minor discomfort if I didn’t read about this. instead I had moderate WDs (they still sucked big ass but I was able to carry on with my work, home duties, etc.).

be more powerful than your mind. dig deep in meditation. find out you are more powerful than your mind and use this as the best possible test you ever had. put your head down and talk to real people face to face or over the phone. a real voice. I can be that voice.

I wish everyone else who decided to use this time to get off these devils are doing well. hang in there and don’t look back.