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Today, my father quoted me Ezekiel 20:24-26 to argue that even if the organization makes mistakes, Jehovah is still expecting us to follow it. Those verses say:

"Because they did not carry out my judicial decisions and they rejected my statutes, they profaned my sabbaths, and they followed after the disgusting idols of their forefathers. I also allowed them to follow regulations that were not good and judicial decisions by which they could not have life. I let them become defiled by their own sacrifices—when they made every firstborn child pass through the fire—in order to make them desolate, so that they would know that I am Jehovah.”’

He wants me to go through the chapter and for us to discuss it soon. I am looking for arguments based on logic and other parts of the Bible to show why these verses don't mean what he is saying. As a starting point, I would say that this is God talking to unfaithful Israel and that they were scattered and destroyed as a nation for this, but nothing on the JW theology indicates that it's possible for the organization to suffer such a situation. Any more ideas?

As my mom and I are preparing to move away from my father, tensions are getting higher and higher.

This morning after breakfast, my father demanded my mom and I to give him around 600 dollars a month from now until we leave to "make things fair."

To put things into perspective, he is 12,500 dollars into credit card debt, he doesn't have a job and spends all day making things with Claude that are barely sellable.

Meanwhile, my mom spent the first 10 years of their marriage bringing in over 5,000 dollars every month, money he burned on alcohol and women (yes, he cheated regularly)

So he is trying to sabotage our exit fund under a cape of fairness.

After that, he said that since I would accept a blood transfusion to save my life, I am not submitting myself to the organization.

The elders are coming to speak with them tomorrow, so he said that if I didn't tell them about my position on blood, he would tell them himself.

And that if they **don't** disfellowship me, he would escalate it until I was, either by a CO or the branch.

I won't deny my position on blood, at the same time, I don't want to lose contact with my PIMI family (aunts, uncles and grandma) but if he pursues this, then I will just keep it as a sign of how cult this cult actually is

Warning: This will be an extremely long post. I will include a TL,DR at the bottom.

Today during breakfast my parents played the recording for the daily text, as usual, I gave a sincere answer regarding how God always provides us his support if we are humble and obey him to the best of our abilities.

My father decided to use this to ask if I still had "doubts" about the organization. I said I didn't have doubts, rather a belief and conviction after reviewing all the facts about the organization, both good and bad, which included court documents, news articles and government statements. He said: "Well, but all of that is from Satan's world, so you can't trust in it" so I replied with: "If everything I just said is from the Devil, then why do we ask and fight for government money like in Norway?"

He shifted the conversation into the argument that I am a nobody, and because of that, I have neither the intelectual, spiritual or moral authority to question "God's organization", that I am extremely arrogant to think that I know better than the GB, Bethelites, Missionaries, COs and Elders and the millions of other Witnesses.

I said, well, the Bible says that if you see any wrongdoing, report it, examine all things carefully and independently. And if you are bothered by me challenging our community's opinion, well, thats how the religion started in the first place, a group of people claiming that their study of the Bible was superior to that of 2,000 years of Theology, and thats a stance we continue today when we reject scientific and historical evidence when it doesn't suit our narrative. We are actively saying we know more than the other 8 billion people on Earth.

After a bit of back and forth and an escalation on voice volume from him, he said he wanted to end the conversation by saying that this was all out of love, trying to protect me from "being teared to pieces by the world" and that he doesn't care if the GB has God's approval, as he is just using them to get closer to God.

I said I also wanted to do a closing argument and reminded him of the official JW doctrine, where the GB will give instructions that won't make sense from a human standpoint but that we must obey regardless. So would you follow them even if they dont have God's approval? And I would like to remind you both (my mom was there too, just quiet until now) that we accuse other religions of being blood-guilty and we urge people to leave them and so does the Bible, is this religion not blood-guilty?

My mom tried to defend this position saying that she never allowed me to be alone in the congregation to protect me from CSA and that they have told their Bible students that the organization is not perfect. Yes, you have said that but you never explained to them what would happen if their kids get raped, you are exposing people to dangers you are aware of without telling them everything.

My father tried to say that what I am doing bringing up the org's mistakes is unbiblical because I don't have any assignment from God to do so and that all the facts I present about the organization are nothing but trash, but I pointed out that Jesus' disciples stood up to the Sanhedrin and Roman authorities even if God didn't directly tell them to do so. He replied with "and what did they achieve?" and I said "maybe nothing, but they tried their best" to which he stormed off saying that I should "let him know when I want to come back to having peace and love"

A few hours later, I was cleaning the house and he approached me to ask "until when will I be having this negative and depressed attitude?" So I asked if there was anything that forbid me about being sad because of all the different situations I am going through? If there's a limit to how much time I can be sad?

He replied with: "No, but if you are going to make decisions, then you have to face the consequences and be happy with them"

I just kept cleaning because I swear I was about to kill myself right there and then.

TL,DR Parents question my feelings towards the org, father calls negative facts about the org "trash" and says I have no authority to question the organization, mom tries to defend the org's imperfections with anecdotes.

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They have posted in their website about what happened in Norway but they have to provide so much context because 90% of the PIMIs dont know what the fuck they are talking about.

No mention about the decision being made under dissent, no mention about the lies and deception they said on court, not even mentioning specifically that this whole thing was about disfellowshipping and shunning.

And the last part: This ruling is final and cannot be appealed is bullshit because we all know that if they lost they would have done anything and everything to appeal to the European Human Rights Court.

I am so pissed they won and that they dare to brag about it.