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MaPoSi on Tamil identity

TLDR : This post says on what MaPoSi thought on Telugu or Kannada origin folks in interior TN.

MaPoSi or Ma. Po Sivagnanam was a Tamil Nationalist and Gandhian leader who fought for Madras to be part of Tamilnadu in 1956. Madras was hotly contested by Andhra Telugus to become part of newly formed Andhra and he used his influence to make it part of TN. You can look it up in Wiki on him.

He wrote a book Called Tamizhagathil piramozhiyinar in 1976, meaning “Other language people in Tamil land”. Though I thought he would most likely call Telugu origin folks in interiors as outsiders , I was for a surprise

Slightly glossing on first few chapters, I was able to see that he spoke primarily on divide between Tamils ( Brahmins and Non Brahmins ) and how outsiders used it to enter Tamilnadu politics. He used data to show Tamils being sidelined in both Dravidian and Nationalist parties. He goes on to say that Brahmin-Non Brahmin divide was unnecessary.

Only in one of last chapters does he talk on Tamizhagathil Irumozhiyaalar , or it means “Two language people in Tamil land”.

I have attached the pictures for reference and the book is available in Arxiv. My summary will mostly talk on interior two language people. Here is the summary:

Two langauge are ones who speak a mothertongue , be it Kannada or Telugu in their homes and speak Tamil outside. Interior ones are one who are faraway from the border

There is stark difference between two-langauge people and other langauge people and it’s in the mindset: Other langauge people see Tamils as other people, while two langauge people see themselves as Tamils. Many migrated 5 centuries back and they see themselves in Tamil milieu and Tamil is not a foreign language for them.

He says that between Tamils and Two langauge peoples, there has been attempts by selfish politicians on either side to divide them (in 1976). Despite that, both groups behave as one ethnically and the process has so happened for centuries. So, it is not wise for Tamils to call two-language people as non-Tamil or for Two-langauge people to distance themselves as non - Tamil.

He gives the two-langauge people a sort of model minorities , whom every immigrant group to Tamil land should aspire to and assimilate to become Tamil. He says their contributions are:

a. Indian freedom struggle: Be it OP Ramasamy Reddiar or Varadarajulu Naidu. Leaders like them served both as disciples and leaders to bring in Indian Nationalism to average Tamil. They served as both followers and leaders.

b. Literature : Annamalai Reddiar who created a new Sindhu called Kavadi Sindhu

c. Linguistic preference: Even in British times, when people had option to pursue literacy in mothertongues, two-langauge people in interior chose Tamil, not Telugu or Kannada.

d. In fight for Madras: The two langauge people in interior Tamilnadu came with open arms to fight for Madras and common peoples proudly called themselves as Tamils. He wholeheartedly appreciates two-language youngsters who made sacrifices for the same.

In this context, the book says that Tamil identity should be assimilitive and strong. Else internal divisions (be it religion, caste or origin ) will weaken it.

u/Independent-Run4446 — 5 days ago

Clear question to NTK folks/ Tamil Desiyam folks

Say if Telugu origin or kannada origin folks in interior TN are speaking clear Telugu, only are aligned to Tollywood, have a pan-Telugu feeling, will you have not posed this question “Become a Tamil. Are you not in Tamilnadu ?”

Today you say them “Become Telugu. Don’t hide your identity” because they behave exactly like TN Tamil.

Say in one generation , they become complete AP Telugu. Will you not ask them again to be Tamizhan?

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u/Independent-Run4446 — 6 days ago

MaPoSi On Tamil Identity

TLDR: Says on what MaPosi thinks on kannada or Telugu origin folks

MaPoSi or Ma. Po Sivagnanam was a Tamil Nationalist and Gandhian leader who fought for Madras to be part of Tamilnadu in 1956. Madras was hotly contested by Andhra Telugus to become part of newly formed Andhra and he used his influence to make it part of TN. You can look it up in Wiki on him.

He wrote a book Called Tamizhagathil piramozhiyinar in 1976, meaning “Other language people in Tamil land”. Though I thought he would most likely call Telugu origin folks in interiors as outsiders , I was for a surprise

Slightly glossing on first few chapters, I was able to see that he spoke primarily on divide between Tamils ( Brahmins and Non Brahmins ) and how outsiders used it to enter Tamilnadu politics. He used data to show Tamils being sidelined in both Dravidian and Nationalist parties. He goes on to say that Brahmin-Non Brahmin divide was unnecessary.

Only in one of last chapters does he talk on Tamizhagathil Irumozhiyaalar , or it means “Two language people in Tamil land”.

I have attached the pictures for reference and the book is available in Arxiv. My summary will mostly talk on interior two language people. Here is the summary:

Two langauge are ones who speak a mothertongue , be it Kannada or Telugu in their homes and speak Tamil outside. Interior ones are one who are faraway from the border

There is stark difference between two-langauge people and other langauge people and it’s in the mindset: Other langauge people see Tamils as other people, while two langauge people see themselves as Tamils. Many migrated 5 centuries back and they see themselves in Tamil milieu and Tamil is not a foreign language for them.

He says that between Tamils and Two langauge peoples, there has been attempts by selfish politicians on either side to divide them (in 1976). Despite that, both groups behave as one ethnically and the process has so happened for centuries. So, it is not wise for Tamils to call two-language people as non-Tamil or for Two-langauge people to distance themselves as non - Tamil.

He gives the two-langauge people a sort of model minorities , whom every immigrant group to Tamil land should aspire to and assimilate to become Tamil. He says their contributions are:

a. Indian freedom struggle: Be it OP Ramasamy Reddiar or Varadarajulu Naidu. Leaders like them served both as disciples and leaders to bring in Indian Nationalism to average Tamil. They served as both followers and leaders.

b. Literature : Annamalai Reddiar who created a new Sindhu called Kavadi Sindhu

c. Linguistic preference: Even in British times, when people had option to pursue literacy in mothertongues, two-langauge people in interior chose Tamil, not Telugu or Kannada.

d. In fight for Madras: The two langauge people in interior Tamilnadu came with open arms to fight for Madras and common peoples proudly called themselves as Tamils. He wholeheartedly appreciates two-language youngsters who made sacrifices for the same.

In this context, the book says that Tamil identity should be assimilitive and strong. Else internal divisions (be it religion, caste or origin ) will weaken it.

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u/Independent-Run4446 — 12 days ago

MaPoSi On Tamil Identity

TLDR: Says on what MaPosi thinks on kannada or Telugu origin folks

MaPoSi or Ma. Po Sivagnanam was a Tamil Nationalist and Gandhian leader who fought for Madras to be part of Tamilnadu in 1956. Madras was hotly contested by Andhra Telugus to become part of newly formed Andhra and he used his influence to make it part of TN. You can look it up in Wiki on him.

He wrote a book Called Tamizhagathil piramozhiyinar in 1976, meaning “Other language people in Tamil land”. Though I thought he would most likely call Telugu origin folks in interiors as outsiders , I was for a surprise

Slightly glossing on first few chapters, I was able to see that he spoke primarily on divide between Tamils ( Brahmins and Non Brahmins ) and how outsiders used it to enter Tamilnadu politics. He used data to show Tamils being sidelined in both Dravidian and Nationalist parties. He goes on to say that Brahmin-Non Brahmin divide was unnecessary.

Only in one of last chapters does he talk on Tamizhagathil Irumozhiyaalar , or it means “Two language people in Tamil land”.

I have attached the pictures for reference and the book is available in Arxiv. My summary will mostly talk on interior two language people. Here is the summary:

Two langauge are ones who speak a mothertongue , be it Kannada or Telugu in their homes and speak Tamil outside. Interior ones are one who are faraway from the border

There is stark difference between two-langauge people and other langauge people and it’s in the mindset: Other langauge people see Tamils as other people, while two langauge people see themselves as Tamils. Many migrated 5 centuries back and they see themselves in Tamil milieu and Tamil is not a foreign language for them.

He says that between Tamils and Two langauge peoples, there has been attempts by selfish politicians on either side to divide them (in 1976). Despite that, both groups behave as one ethnically and the process has so happened for centuries. So, it is not wise for Tamils to call two-language people as non-Tamil or for Two-langauge people to distance themselves as non - Tamil.

He gives the two-langauge people a sort of model minorities , whom every immigrant group to Tamil land should aspire to and assimilate to become Tamil. He says their contributions are:

a. Indian freedom struggle: Be it OP Ramasamy Reddiar or Varadarajulu Naidu. Leaders like them served both as disciples and leaders to bring in Indian Nationalism to average Tamil. They served as both followers and leaders.

b. Literature : Annamalai Reddiar who created a new Sindhu called Kavadi Sindhu

c. Linguistic preference: Even in British times, when people had option to pursue literacy in mothertongues, two-langauge people in interior chose Tamil, not Telugu or Kannada.

d. In fight for Madras: The two langauge people in interior Tamilnadu came with open arms to fight for Madras and common peoples proudly called themselves as Tamils. He wholeheartedly appreciates two-language youngsters who made sacrifices for the same.

In this context, the book says that Tamil identity should be assimilitive and strong. Else internal divisions (be it religion, caste or origin ) will weaken it.

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u/Independent-Run4446 — 13 days ago