u/Initial_Wear5463

I have been in multiple debates where my opponent will have absolutely no idea what bodily autonomy truly is nor do they care to learn. I have had to literally educate grown men on bodily autonomy yet they still never listen. The amount of times I've heard "what about the baby's bodily autonomy?" Or people literally claiming bodily autonomy doesn't exist is sickening. There's also so many people claiming bodily autonomy isn't absolute. If the government has any control over someone's body that's a major human rights violation. This is why we should teach people about things such as consent and the right to your own body. People are making policies based on their lack of understanding of a basic human right.

I'm currently in an argument with someone about abortion. I stated that abortion bans aren't beneficial to society and this person said that I'm a hypocrite because I believe in subjective morality but believe that there can be objective benefit. I explained to them that humans are inherently social and stability in society is simple survival yet they haven't engaged in that point at all. I also asked them to provide me with the moral framework they're using and they haven't given me one. At this point I am begging them to please just engage in my points or at least give me the moral framework they're using. Still they don't. They go on how benefit is subjective. They even gave me a stupid example of if you were in a room and could fill it with pollen or not the perspective of someone with a pollen allergy vs someone without one would be different. Sure the perspective would be different but that doesn’t change the fact that putting pollen in a room is useless. Moreover benefit can be objective and subjective. Like how there's objective and subjective truths. At this point I think this person is stalling because they know they don't have a countrargument.

I've seen so many arguments on the topic of abortion where centers mainly on morality. If you're having a discussion on morality I don't see a problem with it but when it's a legal discussion I can't help but get a little annoyed. I understand that we all can get emotional and let that cloud our judgment but I feel that we're focusing too much on the emotional and moral aspect of abortion then the ethical and legal side.

I don't like abortion. I find the topic morally complex but I mostly find it just sad. If I could wipe out the need for abortion I would. But I can't. I understand enough about the world to know we need things like human rights or else society would be for lack of a better word fucked. One of those rights is bodily autonomy. Abortion is bodily autonomy by definition. I wish more people would focus on that besides from something as subjective as morality. Legal frameworks are very important for a more balanced society. Part of that framework is human rights.