r/prochoice

how amazing would it be, if women had the ability to miscarriage at will like some animals. That way they couldn’t do a thing! just imagine their 😡😡 if we could do that one day! “How dare you be able to control your own bodily contents!” well, they can cry about it

PS: if their sky daddy is real, he should grant us this ability ngl

Is there anyone else that believes abortion is in fact ending a life, and still support it?

I do

And I know many people are going to disagree but I also believe deep down many know IT IS ending a life yet don’t want to accept it. Stop lying to yourself.

I am 21F and found out I was pregnant with twins about a month and a half ago and the decision has only gotten harder. I had broken up with the father right before finding out I was pregnant and ever since he has found out, he has been in terrible condition, consistently begging for an abortion as he comes from a strict cultural upbringing and is convinced his life will be ruined and fall apart. As for me, I have a very supportive family and parents who are more than willing to provide for me and help me if I choose to keep the pregnancy. I am about 9w now and I initially said I would abort if I was ever put in this position but of course, you never think you would be put in this position. I have felt very hesitant from the moment I found out and even more so after finding out it's twins. I have never wanted children and I have always said I want to live out my 20s. I still have one more year of school until I graduate and I saw such a big future with endless possibilities before all of this. I am terrified about all the changes to come especially physical changes to my body since I am obsessed with fitness and staying in shape as silly as it sounds but a twin pregnancy would obviously change my body drastically. The main reason I am so torn on what to do is because I fear the curiosity may get to me if I abort and the surgical procedure which I am leaning to get, is also a scary thought too, but I just want my life to be back to normal and so I don't know why I am so torn on just booking the appointment. Any advice would be so helpful or even shared stories with a similar experience.

So I'm as pro choice as it comes, and I can't help but think that a big reason why some people are anti choice are because they attribute strong human emotions to the first trimester, where a majority of abortions occur.

I think so much anti choice rhetoric revolves around medically inaccurate, highly emotional information. The tendency to anthromoprize such early pregnancies, calling it a "baby", an abortion "kills" or "murders". It invokes strong language of killing a full human being, when if you look at actual photos of the early pregnancy at that stage in a petri dish, you know that it looks nothing like the full term human baby on many anti choice images.

I can't help but think of anthromorpization, and how scientists are taught to not do this in their research. Its really, really easy to project your own emotions on something that's not human, whether it be an animal or an embryo. I think that anti choicers rely on this rhetoric, and we need to directly combat it.

This isn't to say that people who lose an early pregnancy don't suffer a loss. I really don't want to diminish the pain of that. I really feel for people who do. But it just drives me mad when theres all this "it's a human life! Its a baby!" Rhetoric when it really isn't.

This is my first time posting, so bear with me.

I was having a conversation with my 12-year-old son about reproductive rights, and afterward I had a thought. A lot of the abortion debate focuses on whether abortion should or shouldn’t be legal, but what if more attention was placed on preventing unwanted pregnancies in the first place — and on making that responsibility more equal?

Women are often expected to take hormonal birth control, which can come with serious side effects and health risks, while much less responsibility is placed on men. Vasectomies are generally safer, more effective, and less physically taxing than many forms of female contraception. They can also sometimes be reversed.

So it made me wonder: why is pregnancy prevention considered primarily a woman’s responsibility when men are equally involved? If society truly wants to reduce abortions, shouldn’t we be investing more energy into male responsibility, better contraception options for men, and prevention overall rather than placing most of the burden on women?

I’m not saying forced medical procedures are the answer. Bodily autonomy matters for everyone. But I do think it’s worth questioning why women are expected to carry most of the physical and medical responsibility for preventing pregnancy.

this is my biggest fear and it’s coming true !

If I’m not wrong, over 20 countries fully ban abortion in all cases, and even more countries restrict it severely. A lot of US states have banned it entirely/restricted it heavily.

If abortion was legal and intuitive under the eyes of the law, I wouldn’t think about it much and I wouldn’t spend much time arguing about it.

Except there are little girls being forced to carry their rapists baby to full term and being forced go through the horrors of pregnancy/labour against their will. Or there are women are dying from abortion bans because people are prioritizing fetuses over real people.

Do you think these bans/restrictions will go on further?
Does this frustrate anyone else, how people are taking away basic human rights?

I have been in multiple debates where my opponent will have absolutely no idea what bodily autonomy truly is nor do they care to learn. I have had to literally educate grown men on bodily autonomy yet they still never listen. The amount of times I've heard "what about the baby's bodily autonomy?" Or people literally claiming bodily autonomy doesn't exist is sickening. There's also so many people claiming bodily autonomy isn't absolute. If the government has any control over someone's body that's a major human rights violation. This is why we should teach people about things such as consent and the right to your own body. People are making policies based on their lack of understanding of a basic human right.

I've noticed it seems like when it comes to the topic of abortion, it usually seems like most of what I hear from people is either, "It's right!" Or, "It's wrong!" And mostly the arguments people have about it end up being some form of just saying this back and forth to each other.

As in, it seems like a lot of context gets ignored. Is it just me, or does it kind of seem like there's not a lot of further discussion about the specific details which have to do with this?

So, I’ve been thinking about this video, and obviously it makes me feel for the man, but also screw him if you know what I mean. Anyways, because it is used as a piece of anti choice propaganda, and I suspect it’s fake, does anyone have any hard proof that it is fake? I would love a link to any articles confirming its authenticity/non authenticity. Thanks! Also feel free to discuss it lol

We live in a world where no female of reproductive age is capable of 100% controlling whether she conceives or not. All co traceptives, including sterilization, have a failure rate. And all women are at risk of becoming pregnant from rape. these biological realities make it so giving rights to embryos strips women of ultimate control over the continuation of their genetic line. Without abortion as an available birth control to stop the progression of embryonic development, bio motherhood is imposed. For many women, abortion isn’t just about not gestating. it is about not producing a genetic child at all, even if they are not involved in its upbringing. When I point out these basic facts to anti choicers, they seem indifferent or try desperately to not face these facts. why? Are they just unaware of the real world consequences of their worldview or do they just not care?

People are legally (and often morally) allowed to exercise bodily autonomy at the expense of another persons life in many scenarios besides abortion.

Here are just a few hypotheticals:

1. Someone is naturally hooked onto your body, using your body's resources (e.g. blood, nutrients, organs, etc.). If you disconnect, they die. Are you still allowed to refuse that use?
2. A parent deliberately caused a car crash for an untold reason. The car crash injured their child, even though they had no intention of doing that. Should they be forced to donate part of their physical body, such as their organs or tissue, to save the child? Should they allow their child use their body/it's resources against their will to keep them alive?
3. A person is fully dead. They are the only viable organ donor in the state. A child needs a new kidney. They check the ID of the deceased person and it does not say they are an organ donor. Should people still take the organs from their body in order to save the child?

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In all these analogies, the people whos lives are at risk are fully living people, with consciousness, awareness, autonomy, established identity, potential relationships and memories. Not unsentient cells.

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Here is what the law says about each of those hypothetical scenarios.

1. Yes: In many countries, like the US, the law treats bodily autonomy very strongly: people usually cannot be forced to let another person use their body, organs, blood, or tissue, even if refusing means the other person dies
2. No: Even if a parent caused the situation that endangered the child, we do not force someone to donate organs, tissue, blood, or other bodily resources against their will. The parent could absolutely face serious legal consequences-- negligence, criminal charges, loss of custody, etc. Though that is usually treated separately from compelled bodily sacrifice.
3. No: Even if it could save a child’s life, doctors and hospitals are not allowed to take organs from a deceased person if they did not consent. The core legal idea is still bodily autonomy and consent after death: If someone did not register as an organ donor, that means their body cannot be used for organ recovery, even in very urgent cases.

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Why can't the same rights to control your own body apply to pregnant women?

Do PLers plan on making an exception for bodily autonomy in abortion cases specifically?

Like it is your body, I'm not being affected in either way. And like if you feel as if you can't raise this baby, don't. I feel absolutely nothing. Like some random unborn baby has no value, memories, no family, no one. If it is a real person who died I feel bad, you know they had a life, value, and people who loved them. And like I feel like pro-life are hypocrites, a lot aren't vegan, they don't wear condoms. Like you can't convince me that pro-life is not about control. Why do all pro-life care anyways? What is some random baby going to do? Are you happy? Like there are so many kids in the foster care system that need help, you won't, how about you start there. And if you hate abortion so much, how about y'all fix the reasons as to why someone would want one?and we all have our own problems anyways. I'm going to focus on myself, and so should you

I have too much empathy, I don’t eat meat because of the bad animal treatment, I am saddened by any death tbh even when it’s for the best (like a sick animal) I WAS SAD TO REMOVE MY WISDOM TEETH. because they’re just trying to live their life and they’re being told they’re a bother 🥺🥺

… so you can see to what extent my empathy is big, most people would say it becomes ridiculous. And yet I am pro choice. Simply no child wants a mother / parents who did not want them 🤓

Ofc you can argue with a billion counter arguments like oh but they could be adopted bla-bla-bla but that’s just my take as an empath 🌸

"In simple terms, the Supreme Court temporarily kept mail-order abortion pills legally available across much of the United States while a larger legal fight continues. Women in states where abortion is restricted may still be able to receive mifepristone through telemedicine providers and pharmacies for now."

The way I see it, if we forced every pregnant woman to carry out the pregnancy even if they didn't want it, we wouldn't be able to fund the cost of every single child out there. Orphanages would reach beyond max capacity and are already a dangerous way to allow children to be raised.

The only way that these children could be raised well is if every woman who carries out their pregnancy were to raise the child, as the government wouldn't be able to fund the number of unwanted children that were forced to be born.

If those mothers were to raise a child that they didn't want, truthfully I don't think that it would be in the best interests for that child, a child only has a good chance of a good mental state if both of their parents actually want and plan their children, compared to mothers who aren't ready or wanting to have children out, and for we all know, can easily lash out and hurt a child that never had to experience the pain if the mother had the abortion.

Adoption would be less of an option because if every woman is forced to have children (even if they were married to men or other women) wouldn't be willing to adopt the children of other mothers, as they would be too busy raising their own children to do so.

If we did go down the route of pro-life, eventually it would create a problem as a result of not being able to fund these children; we would have to decrease the birth rate and even start pushing for abortions for mothers who do want to have their own children, just because society can't afford it until we can start to afford a birth rate again.

As a result, we're better off living in a pro-choice would, because we can financially sustain it, an abortion doesn't cost nearly as much in comparison to not only raising children, but building structure for them, developing underwear for the future of children, to grow the food, share water, schools would be at max capacity, we wouldn't have nearly enough jobs out their for the increasing birthrates, the more people that have to utilize carbon resources the higher the rate of global warming becomes.

Abortion, on the other hand, supports the mothers who are currently not ready to be mothers by not having to be mothers, focuses on decreasing the rate of spending needed to support every child out there, allows mothers who do want their children not needing to be told that society can't have children due to birthrates going too high, and allows children to be able to grow up without having to suffer through orphanages and a decrease in adoption rates. Which is why the way I see it, we should be far more willing to support the pro-choice lifestyle in comparison to being pro-life, because the problems that occur from a pro-life are far more than just the lives of people that could've been born, who have a higher chance of wishing that they weren't born, had their parents not have wanted to carry out the pregnancy.

I saw a video saying the reason why “80% of organ donors are women and 80% of receivers are men“ are because women are expected to take on self sacrificing roles. I think it also applies to abortion.

Pro lifers always think because the woman engaged in certain acts she had to sacrifice everything she has and go through immense pain to give birth. They think she owes the fetus her body, mental/physical health, pain, time, energy, money, life, career, future, etc.

Just a random thought. It feels like straight misogyny at this point.