Terry George never had any telephone calls with Michael Jackson.

Terry George never had any telephone calls with Michael Jackson.

A few months ago I wrote my first post about Terry George, but I felt it was very poorly written, so I decided to rewrite it without all the fluff and simply to refute it.

  • Terry himself doesn’t know when the calls started:

Every time Terry tries to explain when the calls started, he ends up contradicting himself

The original story (1993):

https://preview.redd.it/1crlqcu92tjh1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=55d1e9962081c503f913b2da41ba94fcc5bd0f1e

Louis, Martin & Michael (2003):

https://preview.redd.it/uzk3yvju5ujh1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=c189728a0b9b02bb14137220d13c27ca1a48af12

Sky News Interview (2009):

https://reddit.com/link/1vqkd0w/video/wsx6wshhkujh1/player

As you can see, we went from the calls starting several days later after Terry’s interview with Michael (an interview that took place on February 19, 1979) to the calls starting just the day after that interview and not only that, but Terry tells us that Michael had even left Leeds, and then the story changes again to say that the calls actually began BEFORE Michael appeared on the show Swap Shop (Terry also tells us that he actually visited Michael for almost an entire week).

But wasn’t Michael supposed to have already left Leeds the very next day after the interview, just as Terry himself told us? How is it possible that Terry visited him when he was no longer there?

And speaking of the show Swap Shop, Michael did appear on that show (or rather, The Jacksons appeared on that show) what Terry doesn't tell you is that the episode actually aired on February 10, 1979, nine days before Terry even met Michael.

https://preview.redd.it/4trd1775uujh1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=92e0ad71785e1b9d36b2671b60e8eee2cbdd61ac

So, as you can see, Terry himself doesn't know when those calls started

After the alleged inappropriate call, we're told that Terry and Michael lost contact (around mid-May 1979, which would mean almost 3 months of contact: late February, March, April, and mid-May), and in the Sky News clip, you can see Terry saying that their calls actually took place almost all year long (an obvious lie), this brings us to my next two points.

  • Multiple visits in 1979:

We touched on this topic briefly in the previous point, so this one will be shorter.

Untitled Interview (2005):

https://preview.redd.it/lfuk39xihvjh1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=42aa6b3c0fc85b0ce015dcbd96ec69bd2fc73db4

Sky News Interview (2009):

https://reddit.com/link/1vqkd0w/video/z7vwlgn80vjh1/player

Now we see how we go from Terry visiting Michael two days after the interview to almost an entire week during which Michael introduced Terry to all of his family. (Don't forget that Terry had also told us that Michael left Leeds the day after the interview.)

  • Two meetings in 1983:

Terry and the media want you to believe that Terry and Michael met again only once in 1983, but in fact it happened twice

The original story (1993):

https://preview.redd.it/3a9du13u2vjh1.png?width=1664&format=png&auto=webp&s=de20102fd7b97e3ebb0c4fb8c14027f55c2a4ced

Michael Jackson's Secret World (2005):

It's interesting how they avoid mentioning those two meetings in 1983 so that the narrative that \"Michael lost interest when they reached a certain age\" makes sense.

Back in 1983, I'm sure there were two meetings, judging by the clothes they're wearing.

Probably February???

Probably November???

Oh, and we even have a news article from that time

Y.E.P 15 FEB 1983

Please note that there is no mention of Terry having been friends with Michael (or even of the alleged phone call recordings).

Plus a mention of a second interview that we only heard about in this article.

However, later on, Terry himself tells us a different story, this time about what happened in 1983

Sky News Interview (2009):

https://reddit.com/link/1vqkd0w/video/faphlxzaavjh1/player

https://preview.redd.it/howrn6q5bvjh1.png?width=1664&format=png&auto=webp&s=f6ff9fabdc3872579c9f1dc8b9938847202c7812

Whether it's true or false (probably false), Terry has told us here that Michael actually even gave him a song instead of rejecting him when he was trying to rekindle their friendship, as he had mentioned in his tabloid story, although this is the first and last time he has mentioned this demo.

  • Hours of phone conversations

Whenever Terry is asked about his 1979 interview, he always ends up telling you that he has hours of recorded phone conversations, yet we’ve never heard a single snippet of them and later on (probably anticipating that he’d be asked if he had that tape, Terry got rid of it in a very… stupid way).

https://preview.redd.it/8wi3ir9ievjh1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=e868ac34c7ca9cec69cb25c1331e443754994de2

In my previous post, I received a comment saying that Terry might have been referring to phone calls in general, but the way Terry phrased his response “the tape” and the 'fact' that the media has it, is what makes it really, really obvious to me that he's talking about the inappropriate recording.

When you really think about what this means, that's when you realize this was the stupidest thing he could have said I mean... the media has the tape (even worse, the sensationalist tabloids have the tape) in which Michael speaks inappropriately to Terry, and they've never published it in over 30 years. Yeah, that makes sense.

  • The phone bill doesn't make sense

Aside from the fact that the amount on the bill changed from £340 to £300 to £350, there’s also the fact that it was Michael who called Terry, not the other way around.

(In case you don’t understand, Back in 1979 with international calls, the person making the call is the one who is charged; therefore, Michael is the one who should have received the bill, not Terry.)

https://reddit.com/link/1vqkd0w/video/3f61ozt9mvjh1/player

Whenever Terry talks about being the one who called Michael, he always refers to those occasions as if he were already reversing charges or calling from a phone box (this was after the alleged inappropriate call and after he received the £300 bill which is extremely convenient, because once the inappropriate call occurs, the number of calls starts to decrease over the next few days, and within a few days, their phone service is cut off. It couldn't have happened during the previous months, when they were supposedly talking 2 to 3 times a week from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. on some occasions.)

Well, that brings us to the end. I apologize if at any point this post seems poorly written; I tried to make it as clear and easy to understand as possible (even though I used a translator). As you can see, Terry’s story is riddled with inconsistencies and contradictions, I have more points to make about him as the opportunist that he is, but for now we’ll leave it at that, since this post is meant to refute the claim that he had phone calls with Michael.

u/Just_Smoug — 4 days ago

Sandra Sutherland, Jack Palladino and their work in 1993.

Originally hired by Larry Feldman to investigate Jackson, investigators Sandra and Jack interviewed an unknown number of people in search of information about the Jackson case, whether regarding potential victims or to verify information.

I’ve researched the limited information we have on them and managed to find at least five mentions of them from different sources:

  • Victor Gutierrez
  • A news article from that time
  • Christopher Andersen
  • Joy Robson
  • Martin Bashir

(I’m going to highlight and summarize the most important points, though I’ll provide the sources.)

Victor Gutierrez: Michael Jackson was My Lover

Pages 178-179

This short excerpt from the book contains several errors, as our friend Helena from VindicateMJ points out:

>He couldn’t put him behind bars even if he wanted it. David explained to us in every detail that Larry Feldman filed a CIVIL case where people are sued for MONEY only and are NOT prosecuted – in a civil suit no one can put anyone into prison in principle.

>Larry Feldman was NOT in charge of the criminal case and tried to avoid it as his conversations with Evan Chandler show it

>He didn’t have to lie as he was ‘cutting a deal’ from the very start in September 1993.

>The fact that Feldman had to hire a private investigator to find him does not look like a big exaggeration I previously laughed at. Now it shows to me that Gutierrez was deep in hiding from everyone and must have had a strange status too. If Gutierrez was the one who supplied them with information earlier they must have had his contact telephones, etc. especially since previously he had been openly making rounds of the families who were friends with Michael. However now Gutierrez was not available.

However, we don't even know if this is true, since we know that Gutierrez's book is full of lies.

News article: January 30, 1994 - Detectives say Jackson accuser had solid case

Two private investigators say they have interviewed a “significant number” of children who also claim to have been abused by Jackson. In the interview, they say the alleged victims (ages 7 to 12) told them similar stories about being abused and that afterward they were showered with money and gifts.

They say the witnesses told them that Jackson met other children on the streets of Los Angeles and while on tour, and that in some cases, the sexual encounters occurred repeatedly over the course of a year or were what Palladino called one-night “bonbons.”

>!What a weird way to say one-night stands!<

Christopher Andersen: Michael Jackson: Unauthorized (Book)

Page 342

In case you don't know, the book "Unauthorized" is a salad of sources (mixing sensationalist and false information with facts and truths). This excerpt from the book seems to be an “extended” version of the article I showed you earlier; we're going to discuss both of them.

I wonder what happened to that significant number of CREDIBLE witnesses, children and young men. It’s also strange that some of them are in prison and mental hospitals because of what happened (I mean, isn’t there supposed to be a report explaining why those patients are there? And they never mentioned Michael's name?...

As for the “one-night bonbons”>!eww!< it’s said that they were given money, and as TSCM points out in the post about Jane Doe:

https://preview.redd.it/fmwu1zqdb9jh1.png?width=1577&format=png&auto=webp&s=d6eb603d01519ad3ee0d4b397445a76e67e06f98

Joy Robson: Grand Jury Testimony / Deposition 1994-2016

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As you can see, Joy tells us how Sandra approached her to ask for a statement, but Joy refused and called Mr. Weitzman because Sandra had given Joy information that she considered incorrect. However, Sandra told Joy that she had a witness who had seen Michael with Joy's son; We're talking about... Blanca Francia.

Martin Bashir: Michael Jackson's Secret World

I wonder why she doesn't mention the “significant number” of children who also claimed to have been abused by Jackson.

Let's start by saying that everything Sandra says can be refuted VERY easily

As I mentioned in the text below the video, it's strange that there's no mention of the “significant number” of children, and that only Blanca and Jason Francia are mentioned... people we know aren't the most credible, this also makes me think that, in reality, the only people Sandra and Jack found were Blanca and Jason and no one else.

Now, speaking of Sandra and Jack... I found several interesting things about them, such as the fact that they helped silence accusations and victims of Bill Clinton, R. Kelly, and...

Harvey Weinstein

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Local-private-investigator-IDd-as-spy-in-12349417.php

Some might say that “they were just doing their job,” but this shows us that they lack morals and ethics when it comes to choosing which cases to take on.

Or, as Michael Jackson says... You would do anything for money.

u/Just_Smoug — 7 days ago

Where is this photo from?

All i could find about this photo is:

  • HIStory World Tour - Heal The World Ending

I'm trying to find out where this was taken, specially the exact concert

u/Just_Smoug — 1 month ago

Does anyone have this book in PDF or physical format? Could you please send me the photos or a link if you have it?

u/Just_Smoug — 1 month ago