it's always deflection to fit their narrative. I was discussing this with someone, I told them about an old, deleted reddit AMA about a girl talking about her experience in neverland ranch where she said MJ did nothing shady, and had a positive experience (there are some more anecdotes in the comments to the ama aswell) and their reply was "well... obviously he didn't do anything to her, she's a girl.... he's into little boys"

the AMA for anyone wondering: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/s/PuVwG5mp4O

then I countered with emmanuel lewis defending MJ in a tweet. what did they say? "he's a black boy, not MJ's "preference" he likes little white boys"

then I brought up macaulay culkin. of course, they replied with "well he's famous so MJ wouldn't dare" even tho mac was there when the other kids were aswell, he's also been in an exploitative environment as a kid, wouldn't he have noticed even once how MJ behaved with the other kids, to be so confident in his stance that MJ didn't do anything to anyone else either?

and also the fact that mac remained his friend till MJ's death, even attending his concert in 2001 when he was 21 years old (for the claims that MJ "dropped" his friends after they got old or something)

🤦‍♀️ It's like any time we bring up the defences, it's suddenly invalid, or "they must have not noticed" or "lying" but when it comes to the accusers, it's out of the realm of possibility that THEY might be lying, or that it's invalid. literally just say that you WANT him to be guilty atp

With the new Netflix doc on the way. I think it would be great that when it releases, we should make a permanent pinned post that would debunk or clear up any statement made the doc.

This is so that any new, and uninformed person trying to learn more because of this doc will have clear, and easy access to be able to.

Is it known whether Evan Chandler used Sodium Amytal on Jordan in 1993? I’m currently rewatching Square One to refresh my memory, as I haven’t looked into the allegations against for a few years now, plus I never delved too deeply into it all before anyway.

While I fully support Michael’s innocence, I’m also conscious of potential fan bias in certain sources, so I try to approach the topic as rationally and evidence-based as possible when discussing or defending him. I’m also trying to wrap my head around all the court/legal terminology involved and keep seeing mixed messages about different aspects of the case, which is honestly confusing me a bit.

I just wanted to clarify: is the Sodium Amytal claim actually confirmed for certain, or is it more speculative? Also, is there anything else mentioned in Square One that I should be cautious about or look into further? Thanks.

can someone explain the payment made to the cascio’s by the estate after leaving neverland came out in 2019.

i have read that the estate paid this money to the cascio’s for the “harm caused”.

can someone explain the specifics of this payment to me and how it’s not evidence of guilt? i am not convinced that jackson is guilty, im just having trouble finding info on this payment aside from tabloid articles.

I can't seem to find an explanation for the books they found locked up in his house, theese books are the only things that keep me from going "he's innocent", they depict young boys nude the books are "boys will be boys", "the boy, a photographic essay" and another one that has something like "in research of young beauty" in the title (look it up) how come he was in possession of theese and of he didn't see anything wrong with it what reason could there be fo him to be locked up?

Honestly, I think part of the issue here is that people are reading things through a very modern, very sexualized lens without fully considering context.

And I keep thinking about this comparison:

A lot of people’s grandparents (or even parents) had those very classic 80s/90s style photography books or prints, artistic nude studies, angel baby / cherub imagery, floral portrait photography, even abstract art books that sometimes included nudity or children in an artistic context.

That kind of material was genuinely common in households back then. It wasn’t unusual, it wasn’t hidden, and it wasn’t automatically seen as something sexual or malicious.

I mean, hell, my grandparents had one.

So when people see “art photography books” today and immediately jump to the worst possible scenario or interpretation, it kind of ignores how these types of works were actually circulated and understood at the time, especially within art and photography spaces.

And just to be clear: having those kinds of art books or prints in a collection does not automatically imply anything illegal or predatory. Context, intent, and legal classification all matter.

The internet tends to flatten everything into “good” or “bad,” but reality is usually far more contextual than that.

It’s one of those things where the more you think about it, the more obvious it becomes how much framing shapes perception.

We can all thank certain media narratives for helping with that. (Diane Dimond, Victor Gutierrez…I’m talking to you.)

Anyway, it’s kind of wild how quickly people default to sexualizing things before even stopping to ask what the context actually is.

So the real question is…does that make your grandparents “predators” or “groomers“ too?

No.

Context matters.

MJ is back on #1 in the charts and now they're mad. "Idk why people are still listening to him", maybe because not everyone is on the internet, let alone Reddit. These people gotta accept the fact that no one cares about their opinion outside of the internet, which goes back to people saying it's an echo chamber. Tbh, the question should be "Idk why people are still hating him in the big '26".

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Epstein Files Partial Release:

On the 19th of November, the “Epstein Files Transparency Act” was signed into law (The White House, 2025). The law required the DOJ and the FBI to declassify all files related to Jeffrey Epstein and his crimes against girls by December 19th. However, like anything that has to do with government transparency, the government ignored and released thousands of messily redacted images and documents, some of which had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein and/or his crimes against girls (Trump Administration Official Defends Partial Release of Epstein Files by Justice Department, 2025). For example, the press release included an image featuring Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Diana Ross, and three redacted children (Francis, 2025). This image was released to the public without any context; due to the heinous nature of Jeffrey Epstein’s crimes against children, this image was spread around by the media to indicate that Michael Jackson was a client of Epstein’s sex trafficking organization, without doing proper research on the background of the image.

Photo released by the DOJ

However, there is one issue: this image isn’t new; instead, it is a new angle of a readily available image that was released in 2002, and the redacted children in the image aren’t Epstein victims; rather, they are the children of Michael Jackson and Diana Ross. However, the image appears sinister because the redaction removes important context.

Singer/Songwriter Michael Jackson, his children children Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr. and Paris Michael Katherine Jackson are photographed with President Bill Clinton, Diana Ross, and her son Evan Ross in New York on April 24th, 2002.

“Every Vote Counts” Fundraiser 2002:

In 2002, Bill Clinton invited his friend, Michael Jackson, to perform at a Democratic National Committee fundraiser for national voter registration; Jackson accepted this invitation (Wikipedia contributors, 2025). Jackson had a history of befriending U.S. presidents, such as Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and George H.W. Bush. The Reagan family would even spend time at Neverland Ranch in the early 1990s after Ronald left the office. On April 24 of that same year, he would take a photo in his trailer with Bill Clinton, Diana Ross, and their children before Jackson got ready to perform later that night. That night, he would perform “Dangerous,” “Black or White,” “We Are the World,” & “Heal the World” (MJ Live & Rare Videos, 2025). At the end of the concert, Jackson would bring Diana Ross and her son, Evan Ross, on stage to perform with him.

On this date in 2002, Michael and Diana Ross performed together at the Democratic National Committee Fundraiser, “A Night At The Apollo” in New York City.

Karen Faye, Jackson’s full-time makeup artist, recalls being in Jackson’s trailer when Jonathan Exley captured the photo of Clinton, Ross, and Jackson (Wingheart, 2025). Grace Rwaramba, Jackson’s nanny, in a Facebook post addressing the misinformation around the image, wrote, “This photo is a perfect example of how easy it is to weave a grand story from nothing. I remember this moment vividly. We were in a trailer outside the Apollo Theater in New York in April 2002. Michael was preparing to perform at the “Every Vote Counts” national voter registration and fundraiser for the Democratic Party. I was off to the side with Bigi. Consider how the photo was manipulated to pull Michael into the Epstein mess. Now, major news outlets around the globe are on the case. Huh. I have seen this movie before.” Michael Prince, Jackson’s sound engineer, recalls seeing Jackson and Clinton, even asking Clinton to play the saxophone during Jackson’s set (Rwaramba, 2025). Three witnesses were present when the image was taken, yet the mainstream media ignored their accounts and created a false narrative.

Jackson’s 2003 Palm Beach Visit:

Another image of Jackson was released along with the aforementioned image. Once again, it was shared without any context, and the media, which had previously reported the correct context, chose to disseminate the image with misleading and slanderous information about Jackson, without conducting any research.

Between 2002 and 2003, amidst his fallout with Sony and the eventual death of his close friend Maurice Gibb, Jackson attempted to move to Palm Beach to be closer to his friend Barry Gibb and to escape the drama around Sony (Wingheart, 2025). During this time, Jackson would strike up a friendship with businessman Al Malnik through their mutual friend, Brett Ratner (Controversial Friend for Michael Jackson, 2003). After touring Malnik’s house in Palm Beach, Malnik would become Jackson’s financial advisor, settling most of Jackson’s debt and allowing him to attempt to buy another house. At the time, when Jackson was shopping for homes in Palm Beach and the greater Florida area, it was highly publicized by multiple Florida news outlets. The media documented every move Jackson made — whether shopping, house hunting, or attending events and fundraisers (Webb, 2025).

In early 2003, James Meiskin, Jackson’s real estate agent, set up Jackson to view several luxury Palm Beach/South Florida mansions (Forbes, 2025). Bernard Marden owned one of the mansions, and Jeffrey Epstein owned another. Before the viewing of Epstein’s mansion, Jackson had never met Jeffrey Epstein, nor was he friends with Epstein. Prior to Epstein’s 2008 conviction, Epstein was known as the top celebrity financier and real estate mogul with mansions in Manhattan, Palm Beach, and Paris (Ward, 2003). After the tour ended, Epstein asked Jackson for a photo, just as the other property owners had done during their house tours.

Michael Jackson viewing Jeffrey Epstein’s Palm Beach Home

One of Epstein’s victims, aged 22 at the time of the meeting, recalls seeing Jackson at Epstein’s Palm Beach home, stating that Jackson didn’t engage in any illegal activity (U.S. District Court, S.D.N.Y., 2016). Matt Fiddes, Jackson’s bodyguard, commented on being at that viewing, writing, “I was his bodyguard when the picture with Epstein would of been taken. We were just viewing houses, as Michael wanted to live on Palm Beach so he can be close to his friend Barry Gibb. A real estate agent set up the viewings over the course of a week. We never even knew who Epstein was; he was not infamous then. He, like the other house owners we viewed that week, wanted a picture with Michael. I was there with another bodyguard and Michaels, then Dr. That’s it! In 2003, Epstein’s house was for sale, so it was one of many lined up to view! Michael never had a clue who he was or the other property owners we met. Michael would always be polite to everyone he meets. It was making big news as we looked at houses with him on Palm Beach, so I am surprised the truth is not being told. Michael was recording daily with Barry Gibb back then. This was in 2003. Thanks for fighting for the truth. Epstein was not in his financial circles. All nonsense.” Two witnesses were present when the image was taken, but the mainstream media ignored their accounts and created a false narrative. Aside from this interaction in Palm Beach, Epstein and Jackson didn’t keep in contact. Epstein’s contact list includes Jackson’s name; however, the contact information listed pertains to his short-term adviser and attorney. This includes the attorney’s address, email, and phone number, rather than Jackson’s personal details. Furthermore, the Department of Justice poorly redacted this information.

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In Conclusion:

These images Despite being legally required to release all Epstein files by the 19th, the government has not done so. The government is using Michael Jackson as a scapegoat to cover up for the crimes of their elite friends and donors. If Jackson knew what kind of person Epstein was, wouldn’t he have been more cautious? If he intended to engage in illegal acts, why would he publicize his location so openly? Perhaps Jackson was simply in Florida to shop for a house. For 62 years, the media has dehumanized and criticized Michael Jackson (MJJJusticeProject, 2020). The FBI monitored him for 10 years and found nothing (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 2012). In contrast, Jeffrey Epstein has been under FBI scrutiny since 1996, with millions of documents proving his guilt (Federal Bureau of Investigation, 2025). Despite the ongoing evidence supporting Jackson’s innocence, his name and legacy continue to be tarnished for the sake of clicks and drama. It is shameful that human decency and journalistic integrity are compromised in favor of SEO and sensationalism.

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