r/MJInnocentFacts

A lot of guilters try to bring up things like one of the officers saying the 1993 description matched, or the prosecution claiming to have a nude photograph of Jonathan Spence. But the police were notorious for lying to try to drum up evidence. Michael’s lawyers even sent them a letter about it.

“In response to mounting legal pressure, lawyers for Michael Jackson accused police officers of telling outrageous lies and of using any device to generate potential evidence against the entertainer.

I am advised that your officers have told frightened youngsters outrageous lies, such as, ‘We have nude photos of you’ in order to push them into making accusations against Mr. Jackson,” lawyer Bertram Fields wrote in an Oct. 28 letter to Police Chief Willie L. Williams. “There are, of course, no such photos of these youngsters, and they have no truthful accusations to make. But your officers appear ready to employ any device to generate potential evidence against Mr. Jackson.”

This was reported in the Los Angeles Times on November 17, 1993.

This wasn’t the first (or only) time the police lied in the case. For example, they falsely told Jason Francia (Michael’s maid’s son) that Corey Feldman and Macaulay Culkin had been abused and that only he could be the hero who would help put Michael in the spotlight and save them.

The police also went to Jolie Levine’s door, Michael’s assistant, and claimed they had nude photographs of her child, which turned out to be a complete lie. They then leaked it to the newspapers and said she had called Michael a pedophile, which she never did.

Tom Sneddon approached Joy Robson and did the exact same thing. He asked if her faith in Jackson would change if she knew he had a photograph of her son naked. Joy Robson responded that her opinion would not change because she knew there were no such photographs.

Another revealing detail: the police tipped off Diane Dimond about the Arvizo case before Neverland was raided. She teased “a great story” to Court TV executives to get financing to film the raid and was later named “Chief Executive Investigator.” Court TV never disclosed that Dimond was writing a book throughout the 2004-2005 case using state sources.

I also uncovered something that isn’t widely discussed: Tom Sneddon’s raid on the Beverly Hills office of Bradley Miller, a private investigator working with Michael Jackson’s defense. This happened hours before Jackson’s arrest and violated attorney-client privilege because Miller was gathering information for the defense. California law at the time allowed searches of offices but required strict procedures, such as appointing a neutral special master to review materials for privileged content, which the prosecutors bypassed. Sneddon knew about Miller’s ties to the defense and had even surveilled the building beforehand. This was essentially a sneak attack timed with the other searches and arrests to overwhelm the defense.

In conclusion, for people who think this case was clean-cut and that the police were saints who didn’t lie about anything, they are totally wrong. The police tried many times to thwart the defense and take shortcuts to find evidence against Michael Jackson using immoral tactics, such as claiming to children and their parents that they had nude photographs of them, tipping off a reporter about a raid, and more.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

Sources and other information:

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-11-17-me-57719-story.html

https://medium.com/@ruckerjael/how-come-nobody-ever-apologizes-to-michael-jackson-the-1993-corruption-from-the-santa-barbara-9e15d57175ae

https://supreme.findlaw.com/legal-commentary/looking-for-clues-in-all-the-wrong-places-why-the-das-search-of-michael-jacksons-pis-office-was-unlawful.html

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/tom-sneddon-was-a-sneaky-man-swipe.2806849/

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2005/jun/13/michaeljackson.michaeljacksontrial5

https://santamariatimes.com/news/local/michael-jackson-trial-jackson-cries-foul/article\_6e064a04-08a6-578d-809e-1b62f10ba62a.html

https://medium.com/@ruckerjael/how-come-nobody-ever-apologizes-to-michael-jackson-jason-francia-ab7a6d7200cf

https://www.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/kawsom/debunking\_guilter\_myths\_2\_did\_jolie\_levine\_really/

https://www.facebook.com/share/1FNU6kWsAJ/?mibextid=wwXIfr

Not necessarily sure why I’m sharing this but still, it’s so odd seeing him with Wade knowing Wade would on 11 years or so later betray him for some money.

mj didnt have connections to NAMBLA, whoever approved this shit definitely does though 😭

So chilling. Baldwin would pass away in 1987, but he was more right than he’d ever know.

A reminder that you can’t separate the discussion on MJ’s treatment by the media/the public from race.

As an autistic person these days existing is hard because everyone does an over analysis of what your doing and why, I feel Michael's pain when it comes to that

Such as people assuming he's gay because he's playing with a male friend of his,

Or him simply playing with kids and interacting with them to any meaningful degree

Or anything with the trial.

Anything and everything combed through for the littlest detail.

Sometimes people just do things with no motive behind them, But why do you think people think he always has a motive behind them?

Also this completely destroys that scene at the end of leaving neverland where Wade burns all of his Michael Jackson stuff 💀, motherfucker sold all the shit that had value 😂

The 1993 article reads:

NEW YORK – Police arrested the husband of singer LaToya Jackson Tuesday night and charged him with beating her with a dining room chair during a dispute in their posh East Side apartment…

(Article excerpt.)

Interestingly enough, three years later, in 1996, LaToya Jackson filed for divorce and again accused Jack Gordon of abusing her. A Las Vegas article reads:

LaToya Jackson is using a new federal law to accuse her estranged husband Jack Gordon of repeatedly beating her into performing topless…

(Article excerpt.)

This is proof for all the guilters who say LaToya lied about Jack Gordon abusing her. If they want to admit he abused her but claim he only pressured her into saying what she already knew about Michael, that’s still incredibly hypocritical.

They choose to believe James Safechuck and Wade Robson, and willingly accept them as “victims,” and constantly say we should believe all victims. Yet they didn’t extend that same belief to LaToya when she came forward as a victim herself. They believed her when she said things that fit their narrative of abuse, but the moment she revealed she had been abused and manipulated, their moral high ground of “believing every victim” suddenly disappeared because it no longer fit their narrative.

There’s also an interview from the ‘90s where an interviewer catches LaToya being fed what to say through an earpiece, after which she storms out. Combined with the documented abuse, police reports, her later divorce filings, and the Jackson family’s public concern for her mental and physical health years before she recanted, it paints a much more complete picture than dismissing her as a liar.

Articles and interview:

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1993/04/21/LaToya-Jackson-injured-in-dispute-with-husband/7468735364800/

https://lasvegassun.com/news/1996/jun/25/latoya-jackson-claims-she-was-violated-by-husband/

https://youtu.be/WUynguCx2QM?is=Wd7wFCfIaxBtLzMn

• He seems like a really nice and smart guy
• He said that his first every case was to prosecute a young girl who was on suicide watch and under arrest for shoplifting, it was very obvious that she had done the crime due to cctv and the fact that the stolen items were recovered from her, but he read into her background and found that she had a terrible home life and had been abused by many people before, he wanted to get her counselling and help to try and turn her life around but was forced to prosecute her instead. He said he felt terrible for doing this even though his colleagues congratulated him for winning his first case.
• He spent many years defending black people being accused of gang membership and said that there's a lot of racism in the system
• He said that the law system is very flawed, but compared to the justice systems of other countries it's one of the best there is
• He has declined to defend people from an emotional basis before, but he said that if there were no other people left to defend a person he disliked and believed was guilty, he would still do it because he believes that lawyers are part of a proper, working justice system and because everyone has the right to a fair trial
• you can see the lawyer in him when he talks about the OJ Simpson trial, he never directly says that OJ was innocent, but he compliments OJ's lawyers and how they made their arguments and stuff.
• I personally believe that it's very likely OJ was covering up for his son https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/12a7t0w/oj_simpson_didnt_kill_his_wife_he_covered_for_his/ but Thomas never brought this up
• He was recommended to Michael Jackson by Johnnie Cochran, which he took as a very high compliment because he looked up to Johnnie and spent a lot of time previously praising him and his work
• He said that Michael could never harm a child
• He knew how much Michael loved Neverland, he had been there himself and complimented the artwork and all the effort that went into building it. He advised Michael to not return to Neverland, because he (correctly) guessed that further money hungry accusers would base all their stories around it.
• This wasn't in the interview but Thomas told Michael to stop letting non family related children into his bedroom, to reduce the risk of more false accusations
• According to him, Michael was a very kind, sensitive, empathetic and caring person. The trial and media was like torture to him, he kept on going in and out of hospital and losing weight because of it, Thomas said he looked horribly gaunt by the end of it all
• He said that there were numerous news reports about how jail was going to treat Michael if he had been convicted, what he would be eating and the schedules and stuff, etc.
• He believed that all of the slander in the media was done in an effort to sway the jury, but the jury held firm to what they were believing in front of them.
• He said that the news was never talking about how successful he had been in the case so far, instead they were always talking about how disasterous it had been for the defence, over and over and over. Not even Michael had complete faith that he was getting out of there, no matter how much Thomas would reassure him.
• He called Bill Cosby's trial one of the most unfair in his entire career, but since it was still ongoing he didn't talk too much about the defence. He did go through why he believed it was unfair, and how the prosecutors were going against rules to make the trial biased against him. He did say that Bill Cosby is innocent, there's another hour long video where he breaks down everything in the trial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCuW3wN7Y8o
• He was very upset about Bill going to jail, but said that Bill was one of the most courageous people he ever knew and that he handled with stride.
• He talked about Suge Knight's case and how he felt about it, talking about the security footage of the car and how he felt about how things played out
• He and a bunch of other lawyers would go out and do one free case every now and then, in the deep south, where a lot of people he describes as rednecks live. He says that he has faced a lot of scrutiny for this
• He says that in certain places the law loves to just put black people in jail even if they were innocent, all because of racism
• One of his lawyer friends faced death threats from the KKK after defending a homeless black man against murder charges, his friend's response was to publicly say his address and show off his gun. He complimented his friend for his courage and strong personality.
• He talked about George Floyd and how he was murdered, saying that he would have made it a case of first degree murder due to how long it took for the pig to strangle someone to death with his knees, and how he could have easily stood up and let George Floyd live but didn't.
• I looked him up on wikipedia and it says that he's accepted multiple awards for his philanthropy, which matches up with everything here
• He's given out a lot for free, like free legal counselling for people who can't afford it, free services for women suffering from abuse, free representation for death row convicts,
• He doesn't believe in the death row. He says that what goes on in the court room isn't direct reality, it's a reconstruction of reality, which can be incorrect. On death row, there is no going back against it, while life sentences can be reversed
• He's been volunteering at churches for many years, counselling people in trouble, before and after fame

Thomas Mesereau is a very interesting person and I deeply hope he writes an autobiography one day, he's lead a very interesting life.

This is the video I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EK5oMhA6Eco