u/Late_Equipment7815

So on the topic again of manggagawas marrying naive kadiwas, feel free to share your stories. Any notable experiences about your friends, relatives and church mates being "hiling"-ed?

One experience I have in mind is a couple of years ago when I was still OWE, I was still a binhi at 17 and I was friends with binhi at kadiwa alike. There was this "ate" of mine that was summoned by our pastor to be interviewed. We didn't know what the reason was but some suspected that a manggagawa took a fancy to her. We were friends with some manggagawa but she assured us that none of them have been flirtatious or anything, so it might be for some other reason.

After the interview we had to get the info out of her one way or another, we teased but did not really force it upon her or bully her. Until she told us that a guy that none of us even knew wanted to be her boyfriend. The manggagawa was actually a friend of another manggagawa who was visiting other locales to find a wife. They didn't even do it discreetly, just straight up saying that that was the reason.

So my friend, who was just 19 at the time, is currently studying accountancy, accepted the offer after a while and started their relationship with the guy that she barely knows. The man was 21 years old, actually decent looking but had an air of hubris surrounding him. Of course she was given some time to know him and all that stuff, but after a few days they became steady.

Her parents are also OWE, but I had an impression that they wanted bigger things for her due to their professional background. So the inevitable came, after only a month of being in a relationship, they were going to get married.

Years later when me and my former MT friends caught up (they don't know I'm PIMO), she explained that her parents talked her out of it, they didn't bad mouth the guy but explained to her specifically the negative side of being married to a minister. They did not discourage her word for word but they implied that they did not approve of the marriage, so they broke it off. She doesn't have a tungkulin rn but I don't think she's also PIMO because she's still active and shares INC content. she also implied that she much prefers the life she has now being a high earning professional.

So i am really happy for her but at the same time thinking about the unlucky girl that got married to him.

For all PIMO MT out there, especially the PNK kagawads. What is the status of your pnk worship services? Back then we had a problem that the pnk was too small due to the large amount of children attending. Then just recently I was told that I need to accompany my niece since the services are not held in the PNK anymore due to the low number of attendees. I have to drive her since the kapilya is kinda distant. They said that in the past year they lost a couple since they had to be indoctrinated.

So it was weird seeing that since when i was still active, the pnk is full to the point that it became a problem. Some children had to attend outside at the pnk's backyard listening to a speaker, now it's almost entirely abandoned. Is this one of those key indicators that the church is falling?

Although there have been a lot of posts regarding "hiling", we should always welcome every single one as to show that this type of thing is prevalent and not a rare occurrence inside the INC. They will say that "hey she's already 18, she decided on her own", it is so disgusting to see that these OWEs normalize grooming inside the church (though tbf, grooming is not limited to INC).

But nonetheless, still appalling that not only is it an open secret, but it has been a sort of a tactic by these predators to specifically target young, idealistic and naive CHILDREN to be their stepped-up slaves. I've seen these before, my church mates, 18 years old, being married to men they barely know a decade or more older than them. Yeah, maybe they're not forcing them, yeah maybe 50% of the time they're not guilt tripping them, it could be said that a lot are marrying within their age group, but teenagers shouldn't typically be married at that age.

If you're maybe in your mid 20s, then I believe that if you want to be married to a manggagawa, then the floor is yours. Have fun wasting your hard earned degree and career.

Excluding anything related to the cult, I have lots of regrets in my teens, and i am only 25. But I can change that, most of the time this won't be permanent just like the mentioned above.

I just thought about this rant when a former churchmate of mine is marrying a manggagawa. She's a top notcher in the board exam and is currently striving in her career. When she was asked what she's going to do once married to her fiance, she just said that maybe she's going to open a business (really every time you move, you'll also move your operations?) or maybe work for the church (i doubt you'll earn 6 digits there)

But hey it's their decision. It's only a lifetime of ironing clothes, obeying their patriarchs and budgeting their husband's (absolutely not their's) meager salary. But they'll regret it, even if they don't show it and as we all know they will be gas lit by the cult that their faith is just not enough. It is by design.

I only made this account a few days ago, specifically as a throwaway for this sub. I've been aware of this subreddit for a few years now, back then I was still "PIMI" albeit with a few shadows of doubts. I made a throwaway back then too, but I couldn't participate because I think there was a karma requirement. So I thank the mods for removing that requirement. Yes, there will be more trolls, but in a way, funnily enough, we are making them actively engage, and therefore "lead them to the correct light" as my former district minister once said.

I realized recently that I shouldn't just lurk, I must participate too. The pain, trauma and mental issues this cult has given us and is still giving us should not go unnoticed. And therefore I must resist, even if only online at the moment. We must resist by helping each other, if someone needs help, let's give them solid advice. Any loophole, any way to help PIMOs to do their own barest minimum, ways to prevent them from acquiring our hard earned money, we should share. Anyone rethinking about being exinc? Help them, show them the corruption inside the church.

Sure they will change some of their procedures, tighten their grip, tinker a few policies or so. But for every solution they can muster, we will adapt. They have 100 solutions? Then we will have 101. They cannot just tighten their systems for ever, as a lot, as proven by a lot of posters here have shown, that that doesn't work. People will get tired. I've already seen it, I am a testament to that.

So I was at work yesterday with my colleagues, they were joking around INC and they didn't know that I am PIMO or even part of the cult. We were having lunch and They were very curious about the customs of INC due to the recent politics in the senate. Some of them are weirded out talking about their neighbors being woken up in the morning, relatives converting to INC getting impregnated by one etc.

So, I, pretending to be non INC told them that I "knew" of an INC member and they currently have QR code embedded with their attendance system. Their reaction is a mix of wonder and weirded out faces. And not in a good way. They felt that it was unbelievable and word for word said that it has to be satire and a caricature. Like how is it possible that a religion is so strict that they are "North Koreaning" their members, taking every ounce of their data privacy and the INC members are just okay with it? It's like we are living in medieval Christianity, half a millenia ago. One said that if it is indeed true then it must be some dystopian stuff and accepting it feels like living in a prison more than feeling the graces of God.

Anyway we ended the conversation with them not believing it even though they already have a negative connotation about the church in the first place. That's how ridiculous this church is.

So anyway that's about it, see ya.

Lagi ko ito ginagawa tapos diretso sa mall or gala. Share ko lang rin kasi may nagtanong sa isang post dito. Paclick na lang yung auto translate sa top right if gusto ng english

1. Ang teknik is pumunta ka nang maaga sa kapilya, kung 10am, siguro 9:25am. Ito ay para maensure na makakakuha ka ng katibayan bago yung panata.

2. Kapag nakakuha ka ng katibayan na, wala namang titingin sa yo kapag umalis, sabihin mo lang na bibili ka ng tubig sa tindahan.

3. Kapag pipili ng sasambahan, mas malaki ang kapilya mas maganda, mas chaotic ang dami ng tao. Mas maganda yung may mga convenience store, pwede ka magmasid konti sa loob kung may nagbabanntay o kapatid, tapos alis. Kung may cr mas maganda. Maging alerto kung sa mcdo o fast food places ka pupunta, kadalasan may mga kapatid doon na nagaabang rin o nakain bago sumamba, di ka naman nila papansinin pero baka matyempuhan ka ng kakilala.

4. Wag magaabang ng jeep kung saan nababa mga kapatid, para wala kang makasalubong na kakilala saka di rin suspicious. Kung may sasakyan, magpark ka sa convenience store or dun sa di tanaw yung kapilya.

5. Magbaon ng civilian na damit. Tshirt sa loob ng polo mo, pantalon na di sobrang formal, rubber shoes. Yung wala pang isang 20 secs nakapagpalit ka nang acceptable sa public. Mahirap nga lang sa babae, pero gawing as smart casual as "inclegal" as possible. Caps, shades, facemask para maconceal ka as much as possible. Lagi ako nagpapayong para kapag may nakasalubong nakapatid itatapat ko sa field of vision nila. Magbaon rin ng kahit sling bag para lalagyanan.

6. Wag niyo gawin sa sariling lokal, may kakilala ako pinatawag ng destinado nahuli. At kung gagawin man, dumaan muna sa cr, tambay konti pakiramdamam at humanap ng tiyempo para makaalis. Make sure di pa nagpapanata ang MT

Not necessarily the catalyst to make you physically in, mentally out (PIMO). I'm thinking of something like the first time your hard shell of strong faith began to crumble a little? And from that day on forward, little by little, it started to fade.

Mine was in probably 2017 or so maybe? After the great INC scandal. I was like 16 years old back then, with 2 "tungkulins", I was very active, never been absent on a WS ever after I was baptised a few years earlier.

So this high ranking minister that always prays like a crazy person begging, shouting, voice cracking and tearful (he was the one leading the prayer after EVM on video streaming) has been relieved of his duty and probably excommunicated because of corruption and election vote buying, I think somewhere here in region 3? That news kinda fazed me a bit back then, my faith was so strong and I thought that ruined the lives of the people there. A corrupt governor possibly winning the elections and due to INC?

After that I was still active, reasoning that his faith is weak. But my faith faded, years passed by, I became inactive in my tungkulins until I finally stopped. I still go to church because I'm still with my parents, but every chance I get, I don't go to church.

By the way, can I get a confirmation on that minister? I don't remember if that's even true or probably locale gossip. Anyway, that doesn't change anything, there're too much scandals in the church much more reprehensible than that. But it was a start.