u/Loud_Pie_9521

We should literally print QR codes of this page and stick them outside masjids and in Bohra populated areas just to piss them off 😭🤣

And imagine somehow we make this page get enough attention that amils and muffin start knowing about it😭

Imagine one day waaz starts and suddenly he says:

Ghana dawat na dushmano che Reddit par…par bethi ne dawat ni dushmani kare

" Ghana loko Reddit par betha betha dawat ni Vaato kare chhe…

MAZAAK udaaawe che mumineen.......aaaaaaaaasaaah

Aa loko ni vaato ma na avjo mumineen, dimaag na vaparjo..

Qr scan kari lo to su su thai jai, khuda ni laanat reddit Ane redditors par..."

Like are those Qasreali members who maintain the accounts or they hire some firm/CA?

Because if it was maintained by some Bohra's then i wonder why haven't they exposed it yet, If they hire some independent firm then who are they and are their audits/reports available somewhere?

Hidden Financials is the only thing saving this shit for now.

Once its revealed everyone can decide for themselves. Because even if everyone loves the institution, when it comes to their own money maybe their eyes will open. No one loves anything more than their money😭

Also is there any legal obligation for them to reveal their accounts or financials?

Can we file some kind of RTI or something to get this info? Like whatever accounts/audits they have submitted to the Charity Commissioner or any other government authority

Like there must be something

Anyone who is lawyer or accountant or related field or has any knowledge about this please share

My biggest problem with Islam, and honestly with the idea of a merciful God who creates people knowing they'll suffer forever

This is mainly about Islam because that's the religion I'm addressing, and it obviously applies to every Islamic sect, and every religion in this world because every religion claims disbelief=hell

If any religion claims that God is all-knowing, all-powerful and perfectly merciful, while also claiming that this God knowingly creates people who will eventually suffer forever, then the same problem applies.

And honestly, I don't see a logical way out of it.

Forget scientific miracles, preservation, contradictions and everything else for a second. I'll grant all of that for the sake of arguement.

Let's say every miracle is real and every claim about the Quran is correct.

Cool.

Now answer this. One by one. If you can

Here you go:

Allah knows everything. (supposedly)

That means BEFORE creating someone, he already knows exactly what that person will do, what they will believe, and whether they will eventually end up in Hell.

So Allah knows:

"If I create this person, he will eventually end up in Hell and suffer forever."

That person doesn't exist yet.

They didn't ask to exist.

Allah doesn't need them.

Allah has complete control over whether they ever exist.

And yet he creates them anyway, already knowing exactly how their existence will end.

WHY?

And don't turn this into the usual free will argument.

I'm NOT saying Allah knowing my choice causes me to make that choice.

Even if I have complete free will, the problem remains.

I'm asking why an all-knowing and perfectly merciful God would knowingly CREATE someone when he already knows with 100% certainty that creating them will eventually result in their eternal suffering.

There is an extremely simple option available:

Don't create that person.

No Hell. No eternal suffering. Nothing.

Then there's an even more basic question.

Why the fuck is disbelief itself even a crime in the first place?

Take a normal person.

Not Hitler. Not a murderer. Not a rapist.

Just someone who doesn't believe

Who exactly did they harm by not believing?

And even if I grant that disbelief is somehow a crime, how the hell does a finite crime deserve infinite punishment?

A person lives for maybe 70-80 or 100 years.

Even if they disbelieve every single day of their life, that's still a finite amount of time.

Yet the punishment never ends.

Not 100 years.

Not a million years.

Not a trillion years.

FOREVER.

There will literally never be a point where they've been punished enough.

Saying "you rejected an infinite God" doesn't magically solve this.

Why does rejecting an infinite being make the ACT of rejection itself infinite?

That's something you actually have to prove.

And in Islam specifically, Hell isn't just some vague "separation from God."

Quran 4:56 says when people's skins are burned away, they're replaced with new skins so they can continue experiencing the punishment.

Quran 22:19–22 describes boiling water, burning skin and insides, and people being returned when they try to escape.

And for some people, this is supposed to continue forever.

And many many more graphic ayat about hate to disbelievers, which if i post here, reddit will take down these post

Then this same God is called the most merciful. How IRONIC

Now read this very carefully:

Imagine a mother knowingly creates a child while already knowing that child will eventually reject her.

Does the fact that she created him give her the right to torture him forever?

Burn him.

Heal him.

Burn him again.

Forever.

All because he refuses to believe she is his mother?

Would ANYONE look at that and call her "the most merciful"?

JUST ANSWER THIS YES OR NO

Obviously not.

And saying "God created you" doesn't solve anything.

It proves God has power over you.

Power does not equal justice.

Having the ability to do something doesn't automatically make doing it fair.

And we're talking about an ALL-POWERFUL God here.

You know what a really merciful being would do?

Forgive them.

Teach them.

Give them another chance.

Punish them temporarily.

Let them stop existing.

Or here's the easiest one:

Don't create someone you already know will suffer forever.

Almost any of these sounds more merciful than deliberately keeping someone conscious forever so they can continue experiencing pain.

"TEST"

Then there's the whole idea of a "test."

Allah already knows the result.

He learns absolutely nothing from testing us.

And Allah supposedly needs nothing from us because he is completely self-sufficient.(Supposedly)

So why create this test?

God creates billions of people out of nothing, already knows every choice they'll make, tests them anyway, and then eternally punishes some of them for failing a test whose result he knew before they even existed.

What exactly was achieved here?

If YOU say god has made us to achieve some necessary purpose, then we are "required" to achieve that purpose, hence god not "self sufficient" Contradiction

If you say he doesn't need us, then we're back to my original question:

Why knowingly create someone whose existence you already know will end in eternal suffering?

And before giving me the same answers, heres all my pre-mpt arguements:

"ThEy WoUlD cOnTiNuE dIsBeLiEvInG fOrEvEr If GiVeN aNoThEr LiFe" 🤓☝️

Then you're punishing someone for something they never actually did.

And it STILL doesn't explain why God knowingly created that person in the first place.

"GoD cReAtEd YoU, tHeReFoRe He CaN dO wHaTeVeR hE wAnTs."🤓☝️

It doesn't prove justice.

God CAN torture someone forever and God is JUSTIFIED in torturing someone forever are two completely different claims.

"WhAtEvEr GoD dOeS iS aUtOmAtIcAlLy JuSt."🤓☝️

Then the argument is circular.

God is just because everything God does is just, and everything God does is just because God is just.

"HuMaNs CaN't UnDeRsTaNd GoD's JuStIcE."🤓☝️

Then his fault for not giving me enough "brains" to understand his "JUSTICE"

"BuT gOd GiVeS eTeRnAl HeAvEn ToO."🤓☝️

Irrelevant.

Giving someone infinite pleasure doesn't explain why another person deserves infinite suffering.

"HeLl Is JuSt ThE cOnSeQuEnCe Of ChOoSiNg SePaRaTiOn FrOm GoD."🤓☝️

Changing the word from "punishment" to "consequence" changes nothing.

God created the system.

God knew the outcome.

God created the person knowing the outcome.

God has unlimited power to design things differently.

The problem remains.

SO HERE'S MY OPEN CHALLENGE:

This is mainly directed at Islam, but if your religion believes in an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfectly merciful God and eternal punishment, feel free to answer too.

I Don't want to hear about another scientific miracle.

Don't talk about preservation.

Also Don't bring up Hitler when I'm specifically talking about an otherwise decent nonbeliever.

Don't dare saying "God knows best."

These are the sum ups of all my questions below

Just answer these.

One by One.

All the prempt arguments mostly already written in paragraph, so bring some new bullsh*t to defend all that. And prove me wrong if you can🥰

1. Why is disbelief is itself a crime in the first place and deserving of punishment?

2. Lets say disbelief is wrong "somehow", why does a finite lifetime of disbelief deserve literally infinite punishment?

3. If God knew BEFORE creating someone that creating them would eventually result in their eternal suffering, why create them instead of simply not creating them?

4. If God is completely self-sufficient and needs absolutely nothing from us, why create this entire test when he already knows every result?

5. How can deliberately keeping someone conscious forever to experience punishment be compatible with being perfectly merciful when an all-powerful God has unlimited less cruel alternatives?

That's the argument.

For Islam, replace "God" with Allah. For Christianity or any other religion with the same basic claims, the problem is the same.

If your God is all-knowing, knew the outcome before creating us, had the choice not to create us, needs nothing from us, and is supposedly perfectly merciful, then explain why he knowingly creates people who will suffer forever.

If anyone can answer all five without changing the topic, redefining the words halfway through, or hiding behind "God knows best", go ahead.

Show me where the logic fails. BEST OF LUCK

P.S: These are direct contradiction of quran and attributes of god. Applies to all religions who claims this. Hence proving that all religion are false and made by humans.

If you dont agree than prove me wrong and answer my arguments (hints: you can't)

One thing that still doesn't make sense to me is when Sara and Boyd were exploring and literally found the lighthouse. After that the show never acknowledge it. We never got to see what happened next, they litterally didn't tell anyone what they had found, and no one even seemed interested in discussing it afterward despite such importance.

Even more confusing, they never attempted to enter or properly investigate the lighthouse, despite it being one of the biggest mysteries in the town. (It litterally got tabitha home)

It was litterally never talked about afterwards

Then later, when Tabitha was desperately trying to reach the lighthouse, why didn't Boyd simply tell her the route he had already taken? Instead, everyone ended up relying on the Farway tree, which was an unpredictable and dangerous gamble. Since Boyd had already discovered the lighthouse once, it seems strange that no one even considered retracing his path.

It feels like the show ignored its own earlier events just to push the story in a different direction😭

Planning a road trip from Surat around this month thinking of Daman, or maybe somewhere else nearby if there's a better spot 🚗🌊

If anyone's interested in joining let me know

Open to suggestions for destinations too

Yoo!

I'm 19 and thinking about moving out because I feel kinda stuck here in my hometownI don't have any work experience yet, and I just want to start building something for myself.

Right now I'm seriously considering Surat (and also Indore), but I'd really like to hear from people who actually live in Surat.

If you were in my place, would you recommend Surat?

My goal is to find a city where I can get an entry-level job, learn new skills along with it, become financially independent, and maybe even start a small business in the future.

But I'm also looking for more than just work. I want a city with a good young crowd, a decent social life, places to hang out, cafés, events, and at least some nightlife. I want to know if Surat feels exciting for someone in their late teens or early twenties, or if it's mostly just a work-focused city.

I'd really appreciate it if you could share your experience on things like:

- The overall vibe of the city

- What people are generally like and how welcoming they are to newcomers

- Whether it's easy to make friends

- Job opportunities for someone with no experience

- Opportunities

- Business opportunities

- Cost of living (rent, food, transport, utilities)

- Which areas you'd recommend for a young working person and which ones to avoid

- Public transport and whether a bike is necessary

- Safety, especially if you're living alone

- Food scene and things to do on weekends

- Anything you wish you had known before moving to Surat

And if you've lived in both Surat and Indore, I'd love to know which one you'd pick for someone like me and why.

Please be honest, I want to hear both the good and the bad. Thanks!

I know this question is kind of irrelevant now since the story has progressed so much 😭, but during my rewatch I kept wondering about this

Every time new people arrive the residents try to convince them that monsters come out at night and bullsh*t excuse But from a newcomer's perspective, that sounds completely insane so it's no surprise many of them don't believe it.

Why not start with something more believable instead? They could say there's a serial killer, escaped prisoners, violent criminals, a deadly cult who attacks vehicles, or that the town has a strict nighttime curfew because people have been disappearing or any human or natural threat.

The goal wouldn't be to explain the truth right away it would just be to keep the newcomers inside for one night. Once they actually see or hear the monsters, and get comfortable then the residents could explain everything.

Am i missing something? 😭