“and transphobic people see trans men as women”
I am open to a discussion about this because I understand that my experience isn’t everyone’s but I feel like this statement is at best a way for cis people to stuff trans people into their own world view and at worst a way to covertly assign trans men as women.
I personally have never at any point in my transition been treated like a woman by anyone who was transphobic. I was however treated like I wasn’t a man, and i wasn’t a woman either but something less than both of these things. other trans masc/men have shared this sentiment in my life and I believe that despite how passing or not passing you are if they know youre trans, transphobic treat you like you’re not a man. but I don’t believe that inherently means they’re treating you like a woman. even times when they refer to me with the wrong pronouns or gender since they knew I was trans it was always a way to degrade me and in their mistreatment never did it in a way they would towards a cis woman.
honestly it sometimes feels like a way to not truly address trans men’s issues by generalizing them to the experience of a cisgender woman’s cause the concept doesn’t align with the ways gendered oppression operates for specifically cis people.
so I would like to hear other people’s thoughts on this? agree or disagree?