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Genuinely talking if u didn't cry at the end of releasing 10 do u even have feelings?? I mean I am not that emotional but that book and redeeming 6 has to be one of the most gut wrenching, soul crushing books i have read I did read b13, and k13 , s6, t7 but nothing and I have never felt this much emotion in my life like I did when I read this two books I genuinely believe cw outdid herself with this two books both of the books are in my top 10 favourite books if all time I wanna see how c10 is gonna look like cause it has this big ass potential u know like healing,crime solving,standing up, getting away, taking mark down I can see all the visions. What do u all think though

" How can we go back to being friends when we just shared a bed" but it is lizzie and hughie after their breakup. Oh gosh this book😭

Hot take: Marie was verbally abusive, Teddy was physically abusive but Mike was both.

Unpopular opinion: Darren was Marie's child and the others are T*ddy children.

So I don't know if you guys noticed this but CW doesn't know how to write trios. she is pretty good at writing duos but trios hell nahhh her trios always has a duo in it we can take claire and shan and casey and aoife friendship they are supposed to be a trio but I think she forget that while writing and tend to make them a duo I just wish katie and lizzie would stop fighting and became eachother's bestie because they don't have a person who will put them first I think they both need their own person and I hope we get to see that in C10

I don't know if this is going to be the plot in c10 but am I the only one who find it wierd that caoimhe wrote a letter for gibsie but not for her sister if she could write something and sent it to gibsie why not do the same the thing for lizzie she could have saved her a lot of pain and trauma oh godd.i mean I genuinely don't understand but if this is the big plot it will make a lot of sense but for now

Unpopular opinion: the core 10 are not the found family we force them to be like bro they are not even good friend to eachother if i am being honest,half of them haven't communicated properly,half of them hate eachother so what kind of found family is this i think they are great friends we can stop at that but bestfriends,family that is a bit exaggerating because i haven't seen patrick and aoife joey talk to eachother i haven't seen hughie and aoife joey communicate leave that i haven't even seen patrick,hughie talk to shannon properly johnny and liz don't like eachother they basically tolerate eachother,katie and liz are always fighting, i don't even understandhow people call hughie and patrick bestfriends maybe when they were children but after that?? Like is that how u act with ur bestfriend?? I haven't seen claire and liz conversation that doesn't basically involve gibsie and without them fighting so where is the friendship😭?? What do u guys think though??

So I think he is overrated yeah he has done alot of shitty things that i am not going to defend but he get alot of hate more than teddy do. I don't hate or blame Darren for leaving his siblings behind he wasn't in a comfortable space or healthy environment so he did what he had to do to save himself but I do hate him for not coming back for his siblings after he got the life he wanted,I hate him for not contacting joey but speaking to Mary for over 4 years I mean are u that heartless?? He got a good life,shiny car, partner and a steady job but couldn't comeback for his siblings who will lick the ground he walks on and I hate him for going behind Joey's back and telling aoife to get an abortion I mean who is you?? That wasn't ur place brother. But I do love him for being the first adult that realized something was wrong with gibs after one conversation,for defending lizzie against caoimhe i genuinely believe he is a good guy but i also believe he is much of a coward too😭

So I started the shatter me series yesterday and I am on ignite me today I have read the novellas too and I don't get the hate adam get i mean if the hate comes after this book and for what he do I might understand but he is just an emotional man but yeah he is a bit cringe I ain't gonna lie but tell me and don't spoil it for me

So let me add my own thing to this discussion. personally I am both gibsie and lizzie team because they were children who knew nothing and mark is the real villian here so I am not gonna chose sides because I understand where their feeling and everything they say come from. So first I lizzie So there are alot of saying that lizzie is a bully but she is not she doesn't like being mean and she genuinely hate her own gut. So the characters doesn't know the fully story like we do so in lizzie's mind she is fighting her sister's killer. i would have absolutely called her a bully if she bullied gibs out of envy like Bella but no in her mind what she believes and what she is manipulated to think is gibs killed caoimhe so I do understand her lashing,her constant attack,and her criticism because I would act like that if I believed that someone was my sister's killer so I believe she had every right to act like that and gibs had every right to clap back to because all he sees is his old friend constantly attacking him,criticising him and bullying him so he has every right to clap back,feel attacked so let us get this straight: do i think lizzie is a bully?? No, do i believe they had the right to so whatever they did? Yes, is lizzie's action justifiable?? Yes, does gibs deserve that?? Absolutely not, does lizzie has to apologize when the truth comes out?? Absolutely yess!!

So I have this opinion no hate to anyone but i think lizzie staying in core10 hurted her more than if she would have left them😭

So i was re-reading redeeming 6 yesterday,and I realized sth. So we know that when joey was on the verge taking his own life lizzie was the one who saved him but my question is what was she doing there😭?? Joey was there to do...... yeah but we still don't know the reason lizzie was there? I'm trynna gaslight myself into thinking she was there to get closer to caoimhe but i don't wanna imagine the worst thing and she was so eager to jump with him if he wasn't going to get down but idk??? What do yall think though??😭😭

I saw this video that says that gibsie is iconic for singing like a Virgin to Marie and well in my opinion it is not i know that gibsie was being his usual careless self but in this context it is not appropriate and he did nothing by doing that. I believe that Marie is a victim as much of a villian she is but she has every right not to believe Johnny with shannon because she is watching history repeat itself right infront her eyes contextually she was not the best mother she made me mad most of the time when I read it but also there are parts when I cried for her the same especially when aoife's mother asked her for coffee and she looked to joey for permission I bawlled my eyes here but back to the thing i was saying she married the golden boy of the town and her life went upside down after that so when she saw shannon with Johnny she saw her 14 years old self loving t*ddy and thinking her life would be different I know gibs was serenading her with a song about innocence and new love but this "performance" happens right in front of the mother of a girl who has been brutally abused for years.when she sees Shannon with Johnny, she doesn't see a happy ending she sees her own past repeating itself so personally I know gibs was having Johnny's back but he has no right and it wasn't his place to do that i love gibss so much but this is what I see from my perspective😭😭

So he is just the most underrated character ever known and trust me hughie you deserve a better fandom. He get so much hate for the things other characters get parised for and I genuinely believe if his love interest wasn't lizzie people would have worshiped the ground he walks on.i have seen a lot of reel and tiktoks about him and i want to add my own opinion so the first thing is him being a bad brother saying the rest of the core 10 members were a better sibling to her than he was and the fact that this is said based on 2 or 3 interaction parts with the other people.we forgot that the reason claire's innocence was kept was because of hughie if he wasn't so persuasive about mark being a bad person claire would have been abused the same way and people compare them to shannon and joey sibling dynamic but the truth is hughie and claire's one is the most normal one between the two of them shan and joey lived in an environment where they needed to have eachother protection and help all the time but it is not the same for hughie and claire so yeah they will not be joined at the hip all time and the other thing is about him being a bad friend the thing that is funny is i have never seen Johnny get hate for being a bad friend while hughie get dragged for this when he was not: he had gibsie's back,was there for lizzie,bestfriend of Patrick and people call him a bad friend for what exactly?? and mind you he was a child doing most adults work he had to carry responsibility of his house,deal with lizzie's mental health and more while being a literal child himself it is always they are teenagers until it is hughie i mean he did more than we could ask for and more than he was supposed to do and another thing is about the fact the way he ended things with lizzie mind you lizzie is my favourite character from the whole series and nobody matter a fraction to me like she does but hughie had every right to do whatever he did cause if this was real life and you walked on your partner with another person I don't thing you will go back to them I understand that my baby was in manic episode but how do even expect Huggies from moving on and acting like nothing happened when he saw it with his own eyes lizzie didn't cheat she called for hughie but pierce kept going but that is not what hughie know and what he saws😭 and the other thing is his relationship with katie i have my very own opinion on this girl but yall katie fans are funny saying free katie she could leave for all we care and she is not a saint everyone paint her to be she is also using him too mind you it is not like she is in love with him or sth but overall he is one of the best male characters ever if this was real life i would choose you hughie biggs😭😭

So i have contemplating on writing this and i saw a post that says mike is not much of a bad father but in my own opinion Mike is just as worst as teddy and Keith are. He was such a horrible father but he was good too I believe he loves lizzie in his own fucked up way but overall he is just as bad. I know how hard having a child with mental health problem is but that doesn't excuse him for the abuse he put lizzie through her daddy issue comes from the fact that he always put caoimhe first and the amount verbal abuse he has put her through is insane. He always fight with Catherine over lizzie saying horrible thing while she is in the house and can still hear him and he manipulated lizzie to go through electroshock theraph ig?? I am not sure though but we can also see that he doesn't want to see better option for lizzie for her to get better he just wants to put her in a mental hospital and be done with her forever. I hope the reason he divorced Catherine is because her asked her to choose between her and him and she finally chose her daughter. I feel bad for Catherine though😭😭

So the fact yall people are writing paragraph in my comment is good keep it up yall😭 so anyways I saw some of yall say that she has the right to build resentment toward lizzie is really questionable cause if this is the case I hope your bestfriend never date your brothers I mean uhmmm what is wrong with you people so u think it is okay for your bestfriend to build resentment t😭oward you just because her brother is your boyfriend and you are closer idk your mentality but that is...... and another thing is yeah they have been horrible to eachother but I think claire is worse I know she was 11 when hughie and lizzie started dating but she wasn't 11 when they broke up and from the book I have seen claire bring up katie and hughie infront of lizzie multiple times cause even if she never understood why they broke up she could atleast keep her opinion to herself and some of you mentioned that tye characters doesn't know what we know some from lizzie's perspective it looks like her bestfriend chose her sister's killer because all lizzie and know and manipulated into believing is the fact that gibs killed her sister even though it is not true that is what she knows and If any of you was in her place you would distance yourself from her and just like some of you agree that claire doesn't have the same narrative as us lizzie also doesn't and lizzie really tried to put claire first we can see in r10 that lizzie doesn't show much affection toward hughie and missed out on alot of things because claire would be mad when they are together but I didn't see the same grace toward lizzie and yeah sometimes I hope claire could have tried to understand lizzie the same way she did for gibsie but she didn't. And the thing that me and is the fact she called caoimhe a fucking accomplice,and telling her she doesnt know anything as if she does is pretty much disgusting and she literally told gibsie secret just to win an argument woahhh such a classic shit girlie had one letter and thought she knew the whole truth and i wanna see some of you try and defend this claire is a good person and but not a good friend😭