Is my Scotiabank advisor trying to bait-and-switch me into a larger mortgage, or is this just big bank laziness?

Hi everyone,

Looking for some perspective on whether I am being paranoid or if my mortgage specialist is trying to play me to increase their loan volume.

We are purchasing a property for $865K. From day one, I was explicit that we have a $550K down payment and want a mortgage around $315K. I provided all investment statements upfront to prove the funds. We also wanted a HELOC attached to the file.

Today was our subject removal date. When I asked for the final numbers, the specialist told me we were approved for a $540K mortgage. When I pushed for specifics, they told me that the underwriter had only verified $330K of our down payment due to "capacity issues" over the last 4 weeks. Because a $540K loan + $330K verified cash covers the purchase price, they just pushed the maximum loan approval through to hit the subject deadline.

They also sent this in an email:

"We’ve, according to the previous approval letter, approved you $540,000. You can choose to adjust the amount as to how much exactly a mortgage and a HELOC limit you want as long as they’re together within $540,000. But please make sure you can finalize this on or before July 10th."

They are offering a 3-year fixed at 3.99% and saying I can choose to split the $540K global limit however I want before July 10th (e.g., a $315K term mortgage and a $225K revolving HELOC at Prime + 0.5%)

My question to the community: Is this normal behavior for a big bank?

It feels like a bait-and-switch tactic to get me to accept a massive mortgage at closing because they haven't actually done the work to verify the remaining $220K of my down payment. If I don't force them to verify that cash before July 10th, I don't see how they can actually fund a lower $315K mortgage on closing day.

Has anyone else dealt with an advisor pushing a "global limit" approval while refusing to do the legwork on the down payment verification until the last minute? Am I dealing with institutional laziness or a pushy sales tactic?

Thanks.

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u/MandalorianBeskar — 5 days ago
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Is my Scotiabank advisor trying to bait-and-switch me into a larger mortgage, or is this just big bank laziness?

Hi everyone,

Looking for some perspective on whether I am being paranoid or if my mortgage specialist is trying to play me to increase their loan volume.

We are purchasing a property for $865K. From day one, I was explicit that we have a $550K down payment and want a mortgage around $315K. I provided all investment statements upfront to prove the funds. We also wanted a HELOC attached to the file.

Today was our subject removal date. When I asked for the final numbers, the specialist told me we were approved for a $540K mortgage. When I pushed for specifics, they told me that the underwriter had only verified $330K of our down payment due to "capacity issues" over the last 4 weeks. Because a $540K loan + $330K verified cash covers the purchase price, they just pushed the maximum loan approval through to hit the subject deadline.

They also sent this in an email:

"We’ve, according to the previous approval letter, approved you $540,000. You can choose to adjust the amount as to how much exactly a mortgage and a HELOC limit you want as long as they’re together within $540,000. But please make sure you can finalize this on or before July 10th."

My question to the community: Is this normal behavior for a big bank?

It feels like a bait-and-switch tactic to get me to accept a massive mortgage at closing because they haven't actually done the work to verify the remaining $220K of my down payment. If I don't force them to verify that cash before July 10th, I don't see how they can actually fund a lower $315K mortgage on closing day.

Has anyone else dealt with an advisor pushing a "global limit" approval while refusing to do the legwork on the down payment verification until the last minute? Am I dealing with institutional laziness or a pushy sales tactic?

Thanks.

reddit.com
u/MandalorianBeskar — 5 days ago

Is my Scotiabank advisor trying to bait-and-switch me into a larger mortgage, or is this just big bank laziness?

Hi everyone,

Looking for some perspective on whether I am being paranoid or if my mortgage specialist is trying to play me to increase their loan volume.

We are purchasing a property for $865K. From day one, I was explicit that we have a $550K down payment and want a mortgage around $315K. I provided all investment statements upfront to prove the funds. We also wanted a HELOC attached to the file.

Today was our subject removal date. When I asked for the final numbers, the specialist told me we were approved for a $540K mortgage. When I pushed for specifics, they told me that the underwriter had only verified $330K of our down payment due to "capacity issues" over the last 4 weeks. Because a $540K loan + $330K verified cash covers the purchase price, they just pushed the maximum loan approval through to hit the subject deadline.

They also sent this in an email:

"We’ve, according to the previous approval letter, approved you $540,000. You can choose to adjust the amount as to how much exactly a mortgage and a HELOC limit you want as long as they’re together within $540,000. But please make sure you can finalize this on or before July 10th."

They are offering a 3-year fixed at 3.99% and saying I can choose to split the $540K global limit however I want before July 10th (e.g., a $315K term mortgage and a $225K revolving HELOC at Prime + 0.5%)

My question to the community: Is this normal behavior for a big bank?

It feels like a bait-and-switch tactic to get me to accept a massive mortgage at closing because they haven't actually done the work to verify the remaining $220K of my down payment. If I don't force them to verify that cash before July 10th, I don't see how they can actually fund a lower $315K mortgage on closing day.

Has anyone else dealt with an advisor pushing a "global limit" approval while refusing to do the legwork on the down payment verification until the last minute? Am I dealing with institutional laziness or a pushy sales tactic?

Thanks.

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u/MandalorianBeskar — 5 days ago

Wealthsimple manual linking issue with USD accounts

I know many Persona related posts have already been shared here, but I don’t think this particular issue has come to light here. I was trying to manually link my USD Scotia account with Wealthsimple and noticed they are using Persona for account verification as well, with no other way around it (I was using the desktop platform).

Like many here, I am extremely frustrated with Wealthsimple’s use of Persona. If anyone here works for Wealthsimple, could you please explain why they can’t or won’t use a Canadian verification service like Interac instead? Every time I have used Interac verification, it has worked seamlessly.

I realise most people replying to this thread will say, ‘Just move on, nobody cares,’, and yes, this situation is strongly making me consider doing exactly that.

u/MandalorianBeskar — 1 month ago