u/Marc-le-Half-Fool

For a few years now, I've been jumping all over people for referring to the Three Laws as rules.

The reason they had been doing that, unbeknownst to me, was because the old.reddit.com desktop version sidebar still had the old sub post link in it, and not the wiki link. That linked thread had the word rules all over it!! Laws appeared but once or thrice.

My using a PC less, (Macbook more), and thus being removed from the very handy Beetftext app shortcut tools, meant that I was using other ways. Those other ways pointed to my old mistakes.

I had not realised that I was steering people up a creek with no paddle.

The linked materials have been mildly streamlined and correctified, and we'll have hopefully fewer people referring to Laws as mere rules.

To all the people in the last few years who repeated the rules word in the sub where I was at fault, I apologise.

Ongoing proof that we all make mistakes.

I discovered this today when I was checking the link I was sharing, and realised, "How is this still all so wrong?" I wrote it up wrong, that's how.

Making improvements via making mistakes is a part of the process. Not just Kundalini, but life.

Warm smiles to all, and an "Eep, sorry" again to those I barked at.

EDIT: The THree Laws as they look today:

https://www.reddit.com/r/kundalini/wiki/2l

I'm a bit slow to catch up to the news, but a dual major earthquake has hit Venezuela, bringing down some buildings.

Many are trapped.

From our viewpoints of having access to Kundalini, here is an example sequenence of how you can help. Remember the catch-all protection, WNKBTM, and respecting the Three Laws.

First, a WLP

Second, a centering to return to a calm balance with a loving generous stance.

Third, imagining the sorts of things that can help, without hindering.

Fourth, people are buried yet alive. They need someone outside to access them f they are to survive.

Not all will. The USGS estimates that considering the population and severity, anywhere between 10,000 to 100,000 people may perish in these quakes.

Life is precious. I protect life.

People can live very briefly without air, a few days without water, a week or three without food.

Financial support to trustworthy charities can help too. It's the information age - a search will reveal trustworthy charities and rescue agencies in Venezuela.

Fifth. Intensions

May buried survivors be heard, and stood by, as is reasonably possible.

May untrapped survivors take in kids, families, adults, at least temporarily.

May people who are going to survive be granted the hope and the stamina to live it through without giving up. Yet, ultimately, it's their choice. I offer encouragement, and hopefully that won't be for nought.

May trapped people be moved or invited to live in the moment, and not succumb to fear nor despair.

That the many accessible yet trapped people be brought water, if that is possible. (A lot of broken water pipes can be expected.

May the international community support the affected people of Venezuela as they can. (Example, my country of Canada has a DART team that brings bottled water, and water filtering equipment with self--sufficient power generation to do the filtering. DART also includes a mobile hospital. Other nations have similar. Time is of the essence.

Anything else that reasonably makes sense to you as you meditate with a caring heart and calm mind on this.

A simple gesture, posture or intention; Protect life, is usually safe.

Sixth. The local community is already going to be coming together. They will need support to succeed in their missions to save and protect lives.

Seventh. Another 6.9 earthquake in Japan followed the 7.2 and 7.5 ones in Venezuela. A 5.9 (5.7?) one occurred in a usually calmer area of California. Geologists are saying (Too soon to know for sure) that this is uncommon.

I (We) send a calming stability to the earth, that humans may live safely on its surface.

Eighth. What among the above respects the first two laws and what doesn't? What adjustments or cautions may be required?

All including the third law, With no karma back to me, aka WNKBTM.

And set it free.

All of the credit for the efforts goes to the people doing the hard work.

If I've forgotten anything, made an error or you have a suggestion, speak up. Time is of the essence. This is discussable for sure.

PS. Comms are mostly down. Electricity probably too. Water, food are going to be a growing issue, as is cooking. Think of solutions along all of those lines.

Many people have lost their homes and everything that was in them. Their buildings have toppled, or are too unsafe to go back into except for rescues. Be grateful for the water, roof, clothing, communications, electricity that you have access to. (Simple idea)

People with specially-trained dogs are / will be en-route.

People will come together and accomplish many miraculous things.

Heavy machinery will work hard. May errors be few, and reliability high.

Warm smiles to all. And thank you, each and every one of you.

Oh, one last thing. May Providence smile upon our efforts and add to it.

EDIT: bolded the numbers for visual help.

The sub was approached by someone professing 50 years of experience. He didn't say 50 years of what. He also had spammy content, and in this sub, that doesn't pass muster. He started with a praising message, but when his spammy side was called out, his glowing language shifted.

However, he had some confusions about awakening status definitions that I'd like to explore for clarification and educational reasons because this confusion needs re-clarifying on an annual or semi-annual basis. It's been a few years since the last time, that I remember, and ideally, something about this should find its way into the wiki for easier reference. It may be in there and I've just forgotten.

>The first is that kundalini is a very specific energy. Many folks write asking about chakras opening, energy moving in their bodies, etc.

That definition is both too specific and too vague at once. By being too specific, it fails in some ways. It is mainly up the spine, yes, or up the core of the torso. It varies. It's not just one flavour of energy. That'd be just Prana. Or just one kind of Shakti.

>A kundalini awakening is when the Shakti, or sleeping/dormant energy located at the base of the spine rises up the spinal column to the top of the head and beyond.

Shakti isn't a "sleeping/dormant energy" by definition. This is probably just bad sentence structure. Structure is important, as it reveals truth and understanding, or misunderstandings. Sleeping or unawakened Shakti is not the same thing.

Get things wrong with Kundalini, (and we will all do that), and you'll learn how precise and specific one needs to be via the repercussions of the mistakes.

>It may rise as a trickle of light and warmth, as in my case back then, or it may rise in a fuller expression. But it is a very specific energy, sometimes confused with Chi practices, and the like.

Kundalini is the blending of the male, female and unpotentiated neutral energies, together. The beginnings of an awakening can involve just the male or just the female, or the third, clearing their own needed paths.

Having energy feelings alone is just feelings.

>Kundalini experiences are varied according to an individual's karma, desire, or destiny.

And preparation levels too.

>Comparison is a waste of time. Everyone is different.

Valid. Figuring out what one is doing right or wrong can involve some degrees of comparing, but typically, comparing is a waste of time.

>Once awakened, the kundalini energy, which I experience as a sort of God-Force, does what it needs to in you, as it is supremely intelligent.

Yes, but it doesn't take responsibility and choice away from you, so mistakes are possible, despite this supreme intelligence.

>I have a saying that helps me sometimes - "Resistance equals Pain"

Good basic wisdom right there.

>I may have been blessed, as it has been a gradual unfolding over many years. For people that have it blast quickly through them, it is different, and all you can do is follow the guidance in the wiki, and practice surrendering. But for many years, and especially now, I wake up in the morning feeling like, well, shit, as this energy flow is strong now and is very active at night. Lifetimes of tensions are being washed away, and it is not a blissful experience.

This person is 50 years into their spiritual progress, and is finally getting on with their healing. One could validly think: It's about time! Right?

>Another observation I'd like to mention is that folks sometimes talk about a "full awakening." Forgive my bluntness, but if you had a full awakening of kundalini you would either be dead from the power of the force, or you would not be on Reddit posting.

This is just a form of bragging, and a form of comparing, which the person suggests is unwise, yet does anyways.

People can get very loud very big events. It's just the beginning. It's not completed. It's just barely starting. Often, the bigger experiences only happen right at the beginning - but not always. Often, people with addictive patterns seek to re-live the big moments, and only meet with disappointment due to their unmet expectations.

Maybe a quarter or a third of people get a more gradual awakening, with no wild nor wacky moments. Typically, these are people with existing foundations, and the presence of a lot of love, and not so much fear.

>The saints who had a full awakening were people like Maharaji (Ram Das's guru, who just owned a blanket, and wherever he went temples would be built, miracles happening around him all the time), Nityananda, Ramakrishna, or Meher Baba.

Sounds to me like he's comparing. Guru-strutting. Even, guru evaluating and approving. Seeking status via being associated with accomplishment.

>They were fully immersed in God-Consciousness, what we call Samadhi.

We? Fully? Is that the actual definition of samadhi? To Hindus? Or to Buddhists? Would one who is fully immersed even be able to speak? Function? This is where students tend to project false or inaccurate things on their wisdom sources. They don't yet speak from experience, and extrapolate poorly.

>These God-men are gone now.

Oh? Who decides? Who's the official list-taker and list-maintainer? And what about God-Women?

>It is an indescribable state of being.

He's basically claiming the status and accomplishments of these God-men. Peculiar, that. And problematic.

>It is why many ancient statues of the Buddha have a cobra rising behind his head.

Is it really? Most say otherwise.

>A full awakening of Kundalini is awesome in its majesty.

And thus he's also making the claim to be fully awakened, and speaking from experience. There's a however coming.

>Kundalini is an evolutionary force, and I now believe that it may take more than one lifetime for it to finish its work in us.

If you assume he's now projecting his suspicions that he's not as finished as he's led himself to believe, he wants others to also not be completed, and to require another lifetime to "get there". Yet he's talking about full awakenings just a few lines before.

>It is a bigger and longer picture than you ordinarily imagine, for the mountain we are climbing is very very steep and high.

He's a photographer so the picture analogy makes sense.

For some people it's a tough climb, so they delay it and pace themselves. Others are natural mountain climbers. Yet others have gentler slopes just because of whom they are, and they scratch their heads wondering what all the fuss is about.

Now we get to the dangerous misunderstanding part

>I have 2 more points I'd like to bring up. It has been said that once kundalini is activated in a person, there is no way to alter it, to put the genie back in the bottle if it is too unpleasant or strong. And I would say - It depends -. That may be true for some people, but based on my experience over a half a century of practice and observation, it might not be true for everyone. If not consciously fed and surrendered to, sometimes the experience may fade over time, and kundalini may go back to its natural dormant state. I have both seen this, and experienced it myself.

I've accused this 60 or 70+ year old of being a Kundalini beginner, which the above texts clearly reveal that he is. This is the however moment.

His ego likes to believe otherwise.

Yet his understanding of awakening processes is rudimentary, at best.

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For approximately 99.9999% of people, Kundalini is present, yet fully dormant and not a thing affecting their lives, except possibly in one or two rare moments in their lives. Such events do not usually involve awakenings.

Among the approximately 1 in a million, some degree of awakening has started. Some are deep into the grueling healing process. A smaller bunch are towards the ends of it.

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When Kundalini starts rising, we can say that Kundalini has been activated, or awakened or risen - at least part-way. It could be only just barely starting, yet it fits the definition of started.

Just like when you wake up in the morning, sometimes you are instantly alert, bounce onto your feet, don underwear and clothing, or leap in the shower, and off you go. Other times, you drag your feet over the edge, rub your eyes, yawn, wonder where the fook you are. It takes a while to reconnect. Yet, by definition, you are awake in either case, even though there is a huge difference between the two states. The degree of wakefulness varies. This is to show the complexity of using language to explain things. Translations make it all-the-worse. On waking, some will need a coffee. Some will pull out a cigarette. Others do neither. PING. They're awake.

We do not yet have specific words to define these degrees of awakening. Understanding some of the differences can be useful.

Once Kundalini is awakened, the Three Laws now apply to all moments and all situations. There is no undoing the awakening, or closing the valve. There is dropping the Energy to a state of un-engaged rest.

The energy naturally goes back down.

That doesn't mean de-activated. It means the energy is at rest. When the energy is at rest, there is a much lower entanglement of thoughts and energy so that you can relax and not be so concerned about making mistakes with it. Yet the Three Laws continue to apply. Just less loudly.

At times, the Energy will rise all on its own, to promote your growth, to urge or cause healing, etc. These are times to be more intentionally and consciously aware of the Three Laws, as these are times when mistakes can happen far more loudly. Letting go is important in such healing times. Being aware and alert helps.

And, the Energy will return to rest after a time, on it's own, or when willed.

The energy can or will be raised up intentionally according to good methods, or according to the far more popular misguided methods, or to people just winging it.

The Energy will return to a more resting state after such efforts are ended.

For those with lots and lots of experience working with engaged or intentionally-risen Energy, the resting state may melt away to create a constantly risen state, yet a relaxed one. For such a person, the Three Laws apply at all times.

An analogy for this might be counter-intuitive. Think of a diesel engine, like in a bus. It has a slow idle, and a fast idle for long periods of rest, because slow idling causes too much pollution and carbonation inside the cylinders and injectors. Proper operation of such a diesel will involve idling at faster speeds than the slowest. On a boat, truck, bus or train, that may be done via good operational practices. On the more modern equipment, it may be done automatically, or via a selector.

So, a bus' engine might run at 100% RPMs briefly when accelerating, run at 30-70% RPM (but lower numbers in Horsepower) when rolling, and maybe 20% RPMs at slow idle. When parked, a fast idle engages at maybe 25-30% RPMs. Very low power, but turning quicker, to keep the combustion chamber temperatures up.

An experienced Kundalini practitioner would be more similar to this diesel example. Rest would be 5 - 15% not a quiet 1% or less.

This is not an obvious idea to most people among the 0.000001%.

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Lets go back to the wrong assumption this person implied, that Energy at rest is somehow unawake Kundalini. If that were the actual case, far fewer people would be mucking up their lives through mistakes due to their misuses of Kundalini Energy. If this wrong assumption was true (It isn't), then all my efforts to warn people would be wasted breath, and a waste of time.

Some people will learn a bit via my and the community's warnings, and the few growing cautionary tales being shared in an increasing fashion on the webs. Others need to piss on the electric fence to believe the fence is energised. Perfectly okay.

Some people will need to smack their heads into metaphoric walls of natural consequences before they will learn to respect the truth of the warnings which are offered here.

And some people will get no consequences, then promote the idea that there are no consequences. They are too fooled into thinking that they have any access to Kundalini at all. They don't.

So! ... the Warnings in the Wiki stand. The Three Laws are applicable, especially when Energy is active, but at all times after an awakening occurs, they apply to some degree that will vary according to one's access to the Energy. More access requires more accountability.

Some people will have far less access to Kundalini, and pretend or project in a typically-human way (Or in jealousy-based ways) that no one else has a more profound access than they do. Like Kundalini behaved merely like an on-off switch, in their minds. It's a lot more complex than that.

Lastly, people who have done drugs, or whom believe that they awakened while tripping commonly feel that they've touched on the infinite and the All, yet fail routinely to realise that they got merely a glimpse of the infinite / of the All. Just a glimpse. Mix that with Energy, and confusions and misunderstandings brought on by having been stoned can take decades to unlearn. Sure, they got a glimpse, but fail to realise that it was JUST a glimpse.

That failure is an easy one to make when the experiences are so big and impressive. We are human, after all. Add a few sprinklings of arrogance, and the false beliefs can linger a long time.

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Some people will have a single event, and grow slowly and gently all of their lives, believing they've reached the end. Their achieving completion isn't going to happen in this lifetime, maybe.

There are many hidden and unspoken ideas involved.

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Questions and clarifications are encouraged.