u/MarcellHUN

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▲ 45 r/warno

What is your favourite and least favourite tank unit in game and why?

I am frankly bored so I though why not talk about something fun.

For me the favourite tank unit in the game is the T64 obr 83. It costs 170pts and I get 3 per card if I double vet it which I usually do or 5 if you want numbers.

It is well protected for the price with the only issue being 30AP AT missiles which you have to smoke out.

The tank goes at a decent 50kph which is admittedly a bit meh but its enough.

The main gun is awesome though.

20 AP at 1925m is great (18ap normalized to 2275m)

55% acc is decent.

10RoF is esquisite. This basically means in most cases you will fire the 2nd shot first and if you double vet it usually you fire the first shot first as well. Most heavier tanks will be single vet only which gives you a bit of an edge. Plus its an autoloader so it will never drop from 10. I think only the leclerc the t80bv and double vet abrams/leo2 have a chance to fire the second shot first.

Also on most maps 1925m is not really a huge issue. Just use cover to get close to the enemies or use smoke.

Also thanks to the AP and front you do get pretty wide ranges against most heavier tanks where you equally 2shot eachother.

All in all a great deal. A very nice package for a fair price and it looks dope too.

(Can you believe it used to cost 150pts?!) All in all its a joy to use. 31st and 25th are not really my kind of decks but I have great fun with them in 20th shützen. I do wish for some bmp1 sp2 s for support but that would be probly too much.

Honorable mention here is the AMX30B2 for me. I really love that thing. Its unique also very fairly priced and it has a unique autocannon and you do get a lot of it. Sadly only in one deck if my memory serves me right.

For least favourite tank I did not have to think for long its the Challanger mk2. Tbf some other english tanks were pretty close to it but if you show one you understand all. In general I dont particulary enjoy using any of their tanks. Which is a shame because I do think Chieftains look neat and they are an interesting and unique design too.

I still feel that most english tanks are still overpriced for what they offer. They are usually weak against infantry. This is doubly true for the chally mk2 s measly single 7,62 mg.

They are usually slow which can be a real pain in the neck. Fortunately the challamger mk2 to at least has the meh top speed of 50.

And they constantly fail you on the "soft factors"

You are slow so you turn slow -> worse in manouvering warfare and against an ambush

You usually have the best pen and the best or very good accuracy which is great but at the same time you get awful RoF. This means the second shot advantage is basically always your enemies.

Your armour is usually very good for the price but its not enough to significantly change the shot to kill count in your favour to actually win 1vs1 fights.

Did I mention that you have a single shitty MG which means comapred to all the other nations except the german if an enemy helicopter flies too close it doesnt really matter while if you fly too close to a T55A or god save you 2 T55A they will scrape you down from the air with their HMGs. Same for amx30, t62,t72,t80, am60, abrams etc etc.

2275m range is nice but on most maps its not a big advantag because the covers are closer than 2km s to eachother. Also you are slow so often they can just reverse away or close in while you cant escape. Even a T72 can do this to you.

Atleast the mk2 gets 18 front which means you survive 1 hit from a 30ap missile.

All in all a very painful experience to use english tanks. But usually the mk2 is the best you get which makes it even more infuriating to use.

Honorable mention is the T62M1. Because it plays like an english tank all the same issues present. But atleast you do get an HMG. Hurray!

Just so you see how bad the chally is with numbers I added a comparison from waryes between the two.

And the worst thing?

The challanger doesnt have an HMG and the RoF and the he dmg is less so its worse agains infantry. Significantly worse.

But wait it should be good against tanks yes? Max range good AP good acc and good front.

Well

At 1925m range the T64obr 83 needs 5 shots to kill the chally while the chally still needs 4 shots to kill the t64. Its higher accuracy will aid it but the slower rof means the t64 would fire 5 time against 4 anyway but with stress the chally will slow down more and more. Also within 875m both tanks only need 2 shots to kill the other and the T64 is guaranteed to fire the 2nd round first.

All of this means that you only really have the advantage between 1925-2275m which is a very slim advantage.

Tldr

Fav T64 obr 83

Almost fav amx30b2

Least fav Challanger mk2

Almost least fav T62M1

I wonder what will be your picks.

u/MarcellHUN — 2 days ago
▲ 24 r/warno

Hi!

Edit:
Tandem tooltip is wrong it gives you +2 pen not +1. That way the dmg calculation makes sense but the tooltip is either wrong or the tandem trait is bugged.

Currently the ERA trait gives you +1 HP and the Tandem ATGM +1pen against ERA protected vehicles. This on the surface makes sense but there are certain edge cases which makes it problematic. I am sure its an engine limitation thing but still it would be nicer if ERA would give us extra armour (depending on the direction) against HEAT only. (more advanced versions can give this against Kinetic too). Maybe +1 or +2 would be nice. Or a % value. Ideally the Tandem trait would negate this trait instead of giving extra pen.

Technical solution could be if the TANDEM dmg would be a separate category of dmg type. Using the same scaling as HEAT but with no modifiers against it by ERA. Of course if the engine cant handle it then this is a mute point but it would be nice.

Why would it be nice? Because of certain edge cases make no sense currently.

Lets go with these two:

https://preview.redd.it/0plzvia44pzg1.png?width=447&format=png&auto=webp&s=84745679b8080e46b3beec98a80b7f394218c13e

Both have 12 front and the more expensive one has 11HP thanks to ERA.

But because of how damage scaling works the cheaper one survives an Ataka hit while the more expensive one does not. Ideally both would survive it with 1 HP because the TANDEM trait should only negate the ERA instead it pushes the pen above the threshold for a 1 shot kill.

I am sure we can find more edge cases where with ERA the tank has less survivability than with ERA. 1 shot to kill instead of 2 or 2 instead of 3.

Also I am not really sure how the math works out
According to the damage table:

https://preview.redd.it/7yk2ubtp6pzg1.png?width=1340&format=png&auto=webp&s=5eee5bb03f8aaffdd2be60e7fff3b6f03673f576

Ataka with 25pen should have 9 damage against 12 front which is correct. But according to the tooltip should have 26pen against the ERA equipped M60 which would be 10dmg not 11. Yet it still kills it in one hit.

What do you think?

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