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Don't underestimate the JVG Effect With Acuff Jr - Harden leading steals

Don't underestimate the JVG Effect With Acuff Jr - Harden leading steals

I am not making this post to defend Hardens playoff performance, he has had a couple of good games and a lot of people underestimate his playmaking because it doesn't show up in stats.

However he was a cone when he came to LAC and I feel like he improved a lot defensively with JVG.

I understand they had a special relationship and JVG invested a lot of time with him.

I truly believe if we can pick the best player available which is undoubtedly Acuff Jr - A guy like JVG can make him a much better defender.

He doesn't need to be a defensive team level player because he offers soo much in offence but JVG can make him an overall better player, he has the wingspan.

A wingspan thats bigger than Wagler for example and he has the athleticism, with the speed and strength to get better.

u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 2 days ago

Where did all the casuals hating on Small Guards go today?

Crickets

Iverson

Mitchell

Lillard

Brunson

Where are the small guard haters? tonight?

Draft the best player available.

u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 2 days ago
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I scouted EVERY Keaton Wagler defensive possession against Michigan. The results were...not pretty.

So scouting reports and highlight reels are great, but I'm a big believer in watching full game tape. You just see things you don't pick up in more condensed formats.

I've been concerned about Keaton Wagler's defense with his slight frame, so I wanted to take a close look at how he help up against an NBA-caliber squad in Michigan. I pulled up the full game on Grinding Tape and left notes on every possession I thought was telling.

The video above summarizes what I found. Long story short: it's pretty brutal. Wagler has poor footwork and anticipation on defense, and isn't giving great effort. But the biggest issue, IMO, is his frame: he's just getting ragdolled time and time again because he doesn't have the lower body or core strength to hold his position.

A few specific plays to highlight:

  • On this play, Elliot Cadeau - who himself is listed at only 180 pounds - beats Wagler 1:1 to the rim, then literally just pushes him out of the way.
  • On this play, Wagler again takes a bump that leaves him several feet under the basket with his hands down. Gives up an uncontested layup.
  • On this play, Wagler ends up facing the basket (??) on a pretty simple rejected screen from Cadeau

Wagler is a tremendously gifted offensive player, even with his athletic limitations. He is going to add value on that side of the floor. But I'm concerned that he is going to be effectively unplayable in Year 1, and maybe beyond, with this kind of defensive performance. He is going to get targeted ruthlessly because even small guards are going right through him.

I'm very curious what the community thinks about this. You can also leave notes on any game on Grinding Tape if you want to share your scouting publicly.

u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 2 days ago

Texas coach Sean Miller - "In my time I have never seen a point guard better than (Darius Acuff)"

Acuff is the better prospect than Wagler and it isn't close. He scored more, assisted more, did it more efficiently, and did all of it with a bigger target on his back every single night he ran the entire offence.

He is the faster, more explosive athlete by every measurable we now have from the combine. His off-ball shooting and movement scoring give him a versatility that Wagler's profile doesn't match. He performed at his absolute best when the games mattered most. And at 19 years old with a 36.5-inch vertical and the fastest sprint time of any player at the entire combine, his physical ceiling is meaningfully higher than what Wagler offers.

Sean Miller coaching for 34 years had scout reports on how to stop Acuff because he was the main if not only threat they still couldn't stop him.

Also in before the ''he can't defend'' When a guy is giving you 38 minutes a game and spending soo much energy attacking, getting to the rim, exploding at defenders, they never carry the defensive load too, also was forced to NEVER foul, because if he gets fouled out his team will always lose.

Leading a conference in both points and assists as a true freshman is not a thing that just happens. The last person to do it in the SEC is in the Basketball Hall of Fame

Wagler has 2 inches on him but a SMALLER wingspan and has never dunked all season.

We would be lucky to get Acuff at the fifth pick any other draft and he is first or top 3 -

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u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 6 days ago

Aside from size - Why are casuals saying Wagler will be a better fit with Garland Compared to Acuff Jr?

Darius Acuff Jr. is the better prospect and the gap is bigger than people are admitting

I'm going to be honest with you. This comparison has been bugging me for weeks because I think a section of draft Twitter has let Keaton Wagler's highlight reel do the talking while the actual numbers and tools are sitting right there pointing clearly in one direction. Wagler is a good player. He's going to have an NBA career. But the idea that this is a genuinely close debate needs to die, and I'm going to explain why.

Let's start with the production gap and not pretend it's small

Keaton Wagler averaged 17.9 points, 5.1 rebounds and 4.2 assists this season at Illinois. Those are legitimately good numbers for a freshman in the Big Ten. The 46-point game against Purdue was one of the most efficient individual performances of the college season. He went 9 of 11 from three that night and shot 76.5% from the floor. It was a generational effort and I'm not dismissing it.

But here's the thing. Darius Acuff Jr. averaged 23.5 points and 6.4 assists per game at Arkansas. He finished third in all of Division I men's basketball in scoring. He was fourteenth in the entire country in assists. He became the first player since Pete Maravich to lead the SEC in both points and assists in the same season. In the same season. As a true freshman. Against SEC competition, which is not a soft conference for guards right now. His field goal percentage was 48.4%. He shot 44% from three on 5.8 attempts per game. His assist-to-turnover ratio was 2.91 to 1 on a team where he was carrying the entire offensive load.

Wagler had one historically efficient night. Acuff had a historically efficient season. That distinction matters.

The athleticism question and why Acuff actually wins it

This is where I think people have been sloppy. The narrative going into the combine was that Acuff's athleticism was a question mark given his size. He came in listed at 6'2" and people were genuinely unsure whether the tools were going to hold up at the next level.

Then the combine happened.

Acuff posted a 36.5-inch max vertical jump, fifth highest of all guards at the combine. He ran the three-quarter court sprint in 3.06 seconds, which was the fastest time of any player participating. Not fastest for his position. Fastest overall. His wingspan came in at 6'7", which is legitimately long for a guard his height and addresses a significant chunk of the size concerns in one measurement.

Wagler is 6'6" and 185 pounds, which gives him an obvious size advantage on paper. But scouting reports have consistently flagged that he lacks elite burst and compensates with IQ and pace manipulation. That is a real skill, but it also means the athleticism profile is not what you would draw up from scratch. At 6'6" with below-average explosiveness you are already narrowing the ways you can create separation at the next level.

Acuff is shorter but he is the faster, more explosive athlete. His change-of-direction has been described as magnificent at the college level. He doesn't need to be jumping out of the gym because his first step and his ability to shift directions without losing balance is what actually gets guards to the rim in the NBA. Raw vertical is nice. Functional quickness wins basketball games.

The off-ball game and why this is the conversation people keep skipping

If you watch Acuff closely, the first thing you notice is that he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be a threat. This is arguably the most underrated part of his profile and it's what makes the small-guard concern less catastrophic than people frame it.

Acuff's catch-and-shoot game is genuinely elite. He shot 44% from three on nearly six attempts per game, and a significant portion of those weren't standstill spot-up reps. He scored heavily off screens, off dribble handoffs, and as a transition finisher filling the lane before the defence gets set. Teams couldn't just guard him as a ball-handler because he was a weapon running off movement at the same time. That is exactly what you want from a modern NBA guard. The ability to threaten off the ball means he doesn't have to be your primary creator every possession to stay impactful, which takes pressure off his size in a way people aren't fully pricing in.

Wagler's off-ball value is more limited. His game is primarily tied to the ball being in his hands. He is an exceptional pick-and-roll operator, a great passer, and a smart creator, but the catch-and-shoot volume and the off-movement scoring that Acuff brings consistently just isn't there to the same degree. If you need someone to run the offence, Wagler can do that. If you need someone who can score in multiple ways regardless of where the ball starts, Acuff is the answer.

The big-moment factor

Wagler's best performance was a 46-point effort against Purdue in a regular season road win. That game was genuinely special and I'm not trying to minimise it.

Acuff scored 49 points against Alabama in an overtime game in February, went 16 of 27 from the field and 11 of 12 from the free-throw line, then dropped 36 in the NCAA Tournament round of 32 to push Arkansas to the Sweet Sixteen. He hit the 30-point mark six separate times during the season and shot at least 50% from the field in all six of those games. He led Arkansas to the SEC Tournament title. He performed at his ceiling when the stakes were highest, which is not something you can assume about any prospect regardless of how talented they are.

Multiple reports throughout the season flagged how Acuff handled crunch-time situations specifically, when the defence knows what is coming and the margin for error is zero. That composure, combined with a 2.91 to 1 assist-to-turnover ratio while handling serious volume, is telling you something real about his decision-making that no single stat fully captures.

The scoring comparison is not close enough to justify any other conclusion

Acuff's 23.5 points per game puts him in historically rare company for a freshman at that efficiency level. His 48.4% from the field and 44% from three on genuine volume is not a product of easy looks. He was the primary target every single night and he was converting at those rates anyway.

Wagler's 17.9 points on similar efficiency is good, but it came with more playmaking infrastructure around him at Illinois and less defensive attention than Acuff was dealing with as the unquestioned focal point of a Calipari offence.

The last Calipari freshman guard to arrive with this kind of scoring and playmaking profile was Derrick Rose. The comparison isn't to say Acuff is definitely going to be Derrick Rose. It's to say that the calibre of production he delivered, at 19 years old, in that system, against that competition, has a track record of producing very good NBA players. That history is not irrelevant.

END OF YAP

Wagler is an intelligent, skilled combo guard who will contribute at the NBA level. His size, passing and shot-making give him a real floor and he deserves a top-ten conversation. This isn't about dismissing what he did at Illinois.

But Acuff is the better prospect and it isn't particularly close. He scored more, assisted more, did it more efficiently, and did all of it with a bigger target on his back every single night. He is the faster, more explosive athlete by every measurable we now have from the combine. His off-ball shooting and movement scoring give him a versatility that Wagler's profile doesn't match. He performed at his absolute best when the games mattered most. And at 19 years old with a 36.5-inch vertical and the fastest sprint time of any player at the entire combine, his physical ceiling is meaningfully higher than what Wagler offers.

Leading a conference in both points and assists as a true freshman is not a thing that just happens. The last person to do it in the SEC is in the Basketball Hall of Fame. When something like that occurs you pay attention to it.

Take Acuff. It's not a hard call.

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u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 6 days ago

Sacramento Kings want Acuff bad and he apparently also wants to join them.

According to some Sac Kings journalists they say the player deciding which team he wants to play for is a very big deal and he wants to play for the SAC kings since he would likely start for them and play a bigger role than in a team like LAC that has an all star level PG in Garland?

Sac Kings have the 7th pick and it seems unlikely to me that 7 teams will pass on a talent like Acuff Jr that has been compared to a Dame Lillard - BUT the player choosing to want to play for a SPECIFIC team, seems very important.

Thoughts? Really want this guy as he is the most talented pure PG three level scorer and averaging the most assists, some of his passes are a joy to watch.

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u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 6 days ago

If we draft Kawhi we need a genuine second option - My pick is MPJ

If L Frank and the Clippers Org decide to keep Kawhi and GENUINELY CHALLENGE for a chip - This is the only play: A SECOND OPTION. WE DO NOT HAVE A SECOND OPTION WITH GARLAND AS AN UNDERSIZED Guard both in height and weight. Teams just double Kawhi at the mid line and ITS OVER. NO point in keeping Kawhi if we don't add a second option.

The Clippers need to do whatever it takes to get Michael Porter Jr.

Alright I've been sitting on this for a while and I need to get it out because I genuinely cannot understand why this conversation isn't happening at a higher volume. Everyone's debating whether the Clippers should extend Kawhi or blow the whole thing up. Nobody's talking about the move that makes both of those conversations pointless. The Clippers need to go get Michael Porter Jr. from Brooklyn. Full stop. Let me break it down.

First, let's establish what MPJ actually is right now

>Forget the version of MPJ people dismissed as a Jokic satellite. Forget the injury prone guy who missed 156 games across his first five seasons. That conversation is dead. What MPJ just did in Brooklyn, on a 20-62 team with no Jokic, no Murray, no offensive infrastructure, playing against defences that had one and only one target to lock in on every single night, was one of the most quietly impressive individual seasons in the league this year.

24.2 points per game. 7.1 rebounds. 3.0 assists. 3.4 threes made per game. 46/36/86 shooting splits. 59.5% True Shooting. Career highs across the board.

Now here is the part that makes this genuinely terrifying for defences. MPJ is 6'10" with a 7'0" wingspan and a release point that sits so far above the contest line that conventional defending is almost physically impossible.

This isn't a guy who gets his shot off because he's quick or because he pump fakes defenders into the air. He gets his shot off because he is enormous and his mechanics put the ball at a height that a normal human being closing out at full sprint still cannot reach. You cannot teach that.

You cannot scheme around it. You just have to live with it and hope he misses, and this season he didn't miss very much.

He had 25 games this season with at least 25 points. Defences knew he was the only real option every single night and they still could not stop him. He was getting doubled, tripled, face-guarded, and still manufacturing clean-looking jumpers out of nothing because when you're 6'10" and your release is that quick and that high, there is no such thing as a clean contest. The scouting report existed. Every team had it. It didn't matter. That is not a small thing.

What happens when you put him next to Kawhi

Kawhi just had the best scoring season of his entire career. 27.9 points per game, 6.4 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 50.5% from the floor across 65 games at 34 years old. The man is still genuinely elite. The problem the Clippers have had is not Kawhi. It's that nobody around him has been capable of functioning as a real co-star. Harden was 36 and declining. Nobody in that rotation could force defences to make impossible decisions.

MPJ changes that overnight, and the reason is exactly what I just described about his size.

Think about how Kawhi operates. Isolation, mid-range, drawing contact, posting smaller wings. He needs space and he needs defences to be stretched horizontally.

Right now teams can cheat toward him because the guys around him aren't threatening enough off the ball to punish it. The moment you put a 6'10" shooter on the floor who made 3.4 threes per game this season at 36%, all of that changes. You cannot sag off MPJ to help on Kawhi's drive because a 6'10" shooter with that release does not need a wide open look to hit a three.

He hits it with a hand in his face. He hits it off one dribble from the wing. He hits it on the move from the corner. Defences have to commit a real body to him at all times, and the second they do, Kawhi gets cleaner looks at the mid-range he's been cooking people with all season.

And this isn't just a spacing argument. MPJ can catch in the short roll and face up a slower big. He can create off two dribbles from the elbow. He is not purely a catch and shoot player anymore. This season in Brooklyn proved that. He had to put the ball on the floor and create for himself constantly because nobody was making plays for him.

He averaged 3.0 assists. He was reading defences and making decisions as a primary creator. Put him next to a legitimate first option like Kawhi and now defences have to deal with a 6'10" scorer who can play off the ball or on it, and who physically cannot be guarded by a standard wing defender at any point in the game.

These two are not just compatible. They are a nightmare pairing for any defence in the league.

The trade is actually doable

Brooklyn is in full rebuild mode. Their roster is a collection of young guys and veterans going nowhere fast. What they want is cap flexibility, draft capital, and useful pieces they can develop or flip.

The Clippers have Bogdan Bogdanovic on a $16 million team option and John Collins on a $26.58 million expiring contract. Those two together essentially match MPJ's salary from a trade structure standpoint. Bogdanovic is a legitimate three-level scorer who can actually contribute to a developing team. He's a real shooter and a professional who knows how to play. Collins put up 13.6 points and 5.3 boards on 55.2% from the field this season. He's a useful big, still athletic, gives Brooklyn a frontcourt piece with upside remaining. You attach draft picks to that, which Brooklyn badly wants given they're tanking for the future, and this trade makes sense for everyone involved.

Brooklyn gets salary-matching expirings that open up cap room, a legitimate shooter in Bogdanovic, a productive big in Collins, and picks to continue the rebuild.

The Clippers get a 27-year-old who just proved he can be a franchise cornerstone, at his career-best level, while still ascending.

Bradley Beal's salary is also on the books as a chip if the Clippers need to get more creative with the matching. There are real paths to making this happen.

The injury question

This always comes up with any Kawhi-centred roster and it's a fair concern. He's 34, turns 35 in June, and his injury history is well documented. If this were two years ago the concern would be enough to sink the argument.

But this is the exact reason MPJ is the right answer, not in spite of the Kawhi injury concern but because of it.

Who just averaged 24.2 points per game as the undisputed number one option on a team that won 20 games? Not in garbage time. Not against backups.

As the primary creator and scorer, game after game, against defences specifically designed to take him away. MPJ did that this season. No star teammate. No capable secondary creator. Just him and a rotation of guys scrapping for jobs.

If Kawhi goes down for a game, a month, or a series, the Clippers would still have a player who has literally just proven he can be the alpha on a team.

That's not a theory. That's a documented fact from this season. Every Kawhi pairing in recent memory has collapsed the moment he got hurt because the co-star couldn't hold the floor alone. MPJ can hold the floor alone. We just watched him do it for 52 games. And he'd be doing it with Darius Garland and Bennedict Mathurin around him, which is infinitely more support than Brooklyn ever gave him.

The size problem defences cannot solve

I want to come back to this because I don't think it gets said enough. The reason MPJ is so uniquely dangerous is not just that he's skilled. It's that he's 6'10" and he shoots off catch and off the dribble with elite mechanics from a release point that essentially does not exist in the defensive rulebook.

Most wings who are that tall sacrifice shot creation to focus on physical play. MPJ is the rare player who has the body of a power forward and the shooting touch and creativity of a guard. You can't put a smaller guard on him because he'll shoot right over them. You can't put a bigger forward on him because he'll lose them off movement screens and nail pull-ups before the help arrives. There is no clean answer.

At 27 years old, with two legitimate healthy seasons now under his belt, MPJ is entering the window where players like this typically hit their peak. The Clippers would be getting him at the start of that window, not at the tail end. That matters enormously.

The big picture

The Clippers are at a crossroads. They have the 5th pick in the 2026 draft. They moved on from Harden and Zubac. There's talk of a soft rebuild. But they also have Kawhi Leonard in the best individual scoring season of his Hall of Fame career. You do not rebuild around a 34-year-old having a career year. You go and get the one piece that can actually complete the picture before that window closes.

MPJ is 27. He just proved he is a genuine first option in this league. He fits Kawhi perfectly from a skill and size standpoint. He eliminates the injury-risk concern because he can carry the load alone if needed. And he is available from a team that has every incentive in the world to move him.

Bogdanovic, Collins, Beal or even Garland if we draft Acuff Jr, get it done. The window with Kawhi at this level is not permanently open. This is the move. Stop sleeping on it.

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u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 7 days ago

Accuf Jr is a guard prospect developed under John Calipari - Thats all you need to know.

At 6'3 Acuff Jr is taller than someone who is CURRENTLY averaging over 30 in the playoffs in Jalen Brunson, taller than the greatest shooter of all time Steph Curry and Kyrie Irving and Devon Mitchell. Hes also way more athletic and stronger than Darius Garland. He is a much better athlete arguably then all of the men mentioned above, except spider, maybe.

Players coached under John Calipari are

Derrick Rose - Youngest MVP in NBA history, was probably going down as a top 10 player in history if he stayed healthy.

SGA - dont want to comment

Coached John Wall in Kentucky - 5X all star, defensive team player

Dearron Fox

Malik Monk

Devin Booker

Jamal Murray

Tyler Herro

Tyrese Maxey

Reed Shepherd

67% of his players get drafted to the NBA and

39X all star level players

7X All NBA honors and 2 MVP's

Hes also the best player coached by John Calipari in college, think about that for a second, out of all the excellent players that went on to be NBA players over 5 billion usd in market value. The best player coached in College is Darius Acuff Jr.....

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u/MeetingFrequent6813 — 8 days ago