An OTC Scenario and exploring some SC norms, dynamics and economics.
TLDR: It all depends, but how would you navigate this OTC with two CFs you’ve seen regularly each week for the last 5 months when they pitched an ostensible platonic only outing first early on, and now months later after I simply didn’t entertain it, am thinking I might want to revisit but add on a FS session after.
Background: been PL since mid 2020. Began in SE Florida, been in central TX for the last year. Typical visit is drinks with a CF or two, then a VIP with extras, often FS. Then just drinks and hang after till I leave. Frequency of visits ebbs and flows between 2x/week and 1x/month.
Context on this Scenario: Been seeing these two CFs together consistently every week for the past 5 months, however I’ve known them for a total of close to a year. Met around September last year, saw each one separately on occasion maybe a handful of times, then was away for a few months. This recent 5 month stint is a solid “Regulars” dynamic. They know when I’m coming in, we spend the night together from when I arrive till close. The typical visit has been much like above, drinks, hour VIP, drinks, maybe a cabana (semi private 3 song dance) or two.
Potential OTC: I’m personally undecided on this, and am exploring it because of the pitch they offered unprompted. It boiled down to going to a regular nightclub to drink and dance. Not really my thing, but I could enjoy/tolerate it if I could turn that into a FS session back at my place after. I conduct my visits the way I do because it’s the time I want to have, the tradeoff being FS in my own private space is preferable to ITC, and I’d be willing to make that trade for a nightclub session. I really don’t pursue OTC because I haven’t had much luck getting one that is precisely what I’m looking for, and the more likely successful model seems to be going on a date which to me is exactly the effort I avoid in choosing this lifestyle. My best internal reflection is that I’m just now growing accustomed to the limited aspects of ITC FS and want the novelty of OTC FS.
The way it came about was early on in this 5 month stint. They were telling me about a previous client they did this with, in the context of explaining how they feel comfortable with me and my energy was similar to that guy’s. Since in that moment I wasn’t interested in the OTC prospect I just joked that I’m not a good dancer but it could be fun. I believe they picked up I wasn’t going to do it. They mentioned the prospect maybe one more time on a subsequent visit and after again my being surface polite but moving past the topic they haven’t broached it since.
Now I’m thinking about pitching it back to them and introducing the FS at my place after part I’d like from it.
How would you broach it?
What price would you set?
Since I know the above are in general not truly answerable, I’ll color in some additional details that come with all the known grains of salt e.g. it’s a business relationship, all conversations to date could be lies, everything is a sale, etc. I’m only looking to hear what experienced PL’s would make of this, and enjoy the discussion.
The Club: Overall nice. Not a dive, not e11even, but closer to the latter and professional staff. Clean. Prices are listed and set by club. No negotiation. You pay the manager the full freight, they take house cut and give girl their share. Tips to girls are client discretion, my norm has not been additional tip because the prices are pretty high. 1 hour VIP is *listed* at 1400 per girl. That goes 1000 to girl and 400 to club. I grease the manager 200 for both, pay total 1200 per girl, which saves me 200.
That’s 2600 from me for the hour, each girl gets 1000. This most recent time we did an additional cabana, 200 from me, 80 to each girl 20 house, and a 15 min VIP, 800 from me, 300 each girl 200 house. Plus the drinks and the girls will get a meal each usually runs me about 375 total (decent tip included). All in I’m at just under 4000 and the girls each have 1380 before house fees and tip out (can’t recall those, maybe 100-150 house and discretion tip?).
I‘d say this is an extras club. Signs strictly prohibit, but I was able to get extras from my first visit, and since from most girls. Interestingly, one of these current CF’s was a girl who at first intro wasn’t into extras, but since I’ve been back in these last 5 months has been all in. What I think helped was the two CFs together, as they’re truly close friends in real life.
Earlier in the 5 months my extras ask was HJ or BJ, as condoms don’t feel as good/hard to finish, and FS positions limited/small risk of management. But they asked me to bring condoms because they get turned on. I told them that surprised me because it’s just their job, but they insisted they get pleasure from it. So I bring condoms, they each get off on a ride, then finish me with HJ or BJ. They tell me, without my prompt or inquisition, that they only do this with me. I know, grain of salt, but again just adding color and I’ve never once asked, cared, or even suggested that matters to me, and they could’ve simply not said that apropos of nothing.
Now I’ve seen discussions about how OTC prices are not connected to VIP, and I get that perspective, but I think I diverge slightly on the underlying principal of the opportunity cost. While there is non-monetary value in having a good time and not dealing with potential rude clients and just the effort of work, when it comes down to it you can’t pay bills with that value. A person has to be in a secure enough position before they can actually afford to make that trade off. Since I can’t know what’s true about what’s been said, I default to monetary value only. So let’s say for sake of discussion these girls are netting 1200 each from me. I know from texts they send when they arrive at the club, they have maybe ~3 hours of work before I show up, then they spend the night with me. Who knows what they net in that time, so I’ll just call that the “wash” against any willingness to trade the non-monetary aspects. If I were them, everything’s been a lie, and it’s strictly business, I’d want to net the same. So let’s say that’s 2400 from me to them, let’s say drinks 400. That’s 2800 vs 4000 which I think is pretty good savings.
Who knows if they’re still interested in the nightclub OTC, who knows if they’re willing to do FS after and at my place, who knows if they’ll accept that price. But the sub needs content, right?
Very curious about the prices in general. Like I said I think these are high. When I was in FL a 1 hour VIP was 200 house, 40 tip to server, 500 girl, and I’d give 100 tip to girl. So 840 vs listed 1400. But again these are club listed, paid to manager, no negotiation. I’ve been to a couple other comparable clubs in the area and it’s mostly the same, 1200 for 1 hour VIP. I’ve been to Chicago, Boston, Denver, and never been quoted less than 500 for a VIP, though that same price has varied from 30mins to 1 hour, including extras and not. But I read about people doing VIP for less than 500 and I’m truly curious about this. The VIP I’m referring to is private. Separate room, in corner of club, beaded doorway or sometimes completely opaque curtain. The baseline minimum across all has been topless and heavy touching.
If other details would help I may add, but I don’t want to give away too much, already a bit insecure about providing exact dollars, but can’t really get at the real convo without it. And I’ve already forgotten the pw for this throwaway lol. Hope everyone enjoys.