Basically, asking if they can vote in the next elections.
so they can "guide" them on who to vote for.
they say they are not political then they conduct surveys like this.
hypocrites
Theyre out there.
I find that when a local has a minister that no one likes, people talk more and spread their opinions about things.
And thats how I found some, not sure if they know about this reddit. I didnt really talk about this reddit, it was more about a conversation about eduardo manalo. And how it was before him. and the current status of the church. but what opened the conversation is the current minister at our local and how no one likes him.
but, in a way, im happy to see more PIMOs, and they were officers of course.
I saw many posts about sources but I didn't see any list of them (unless I missed it). but I always wanted to post one.
| Credible source | What it states |
|---|---|
| Library of Congress (U.S. government) | Its WWI timeline states: “July 28, 1914 — Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia, beginning World War I.” Library of Congress WWI Timeline |
| National WWI Museum and Memorial | Its official interactive timeline labels July 28: “Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia. World War I begins.” National WWI Museum Interactive Timeline |
| U.S. Army Central | Its historical timeline explicitly gives “WORLD WAR I BEGINS IN EUROPE — JULY 28, 1914.” U.S. Army Central Timeline |
| U.S. Army Center of Military History | American Military History explains that the question of when war would begin was answered “on July 28, when Austria declared war on Serbia.” |
| Australian War Memorial (Australian government institution) | Says Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia on 28 July 1914, “effectively beginning the First World War.” Australian War Memorial article |
| U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command | Its historical chronology lists “28 July. Start of the First World War.” |
| U.S. Naval History and Heritage Command – Today in Naval History | States that on July 28, 1914, Austria declared war on Serbia, “igniting a chain of events that results in World War I.” Naval History — July 28 |
| United States Holocaust Memorial Museum | Describes the outbreak and records that Austria-Hungary declared war against Serbia on July 28, followed by Russian, German, French, and British entry. USHMM — World War I and its Aftermath: Key Dates |
| U.S. Department of State, Office of the Historian | Its official 1914 diplomatic records identify July 28 as “The opening of hostilities.” Contemporary U.S. diplomatic correspondence that day reports Austria's declaration of war on Serbia. U.S. State Department historical documents |
| Library of Congress – Law Library | Documents the July 28, 1914 Austrian declaration of war and reproduces information about the extra edition of Austria's official Wiener Zeitung announcing the state of war. Library of Congress Law Library — State of War with Serbia Declared |
| Library of Congress – Origin of the War | Reproduces the formal declaration: Austria-Hungary considered itself “from this moment in a state of war with Serbia” on July 28, 1914. Library of Congress — Origin of the War |
| Imperial War Museums (United Kingdom) | Its historical fact sheet states that Austria-Hungary's declaration of war against Serbia occurred on 28 July 1914, after which the alliance system drew other powers into war. |
| National Army Museum, London | Its First World War timeline places Austria-Hungary's declaration of war on Serbia on 28 July 1914, followed by Germany's declarations against Russia and France. National Army Museum WWI Timeline |
| Oxford University Press | Its educational history material places Austria-Hungary's declaration of war on Serbia on 28 July 1914, followed by the cascade of declarations in August. |
these ministers are sending in reports, with high numbers of participation in propagation, in a way, were you almost second guess these numbers. and when you do look into it more, you can see that sometimes, the participation is more than those attending in the worship services. but it is possible that one can invite guests and at the same time be an inactive member who doesnt attend worship service at all.
one of the very toxic things locals do is to openly shame officers in front of everyone in the meeting. for example, when it comes to the many pressures to have bible students, we are given unrealistic goals. If an area has never been able to get 10 guests in a evangelical mission, why given them a goal to have 20 on the upcoming evm?
and... when asking for updates in meetings with all the officers, they really highlight those who are struggling to find guests.
it's also not just with propagation but edification, and cfo. if you're not doing well in terms of numbers they will call you out in front of everyone, and highlight youre failures.
another lesson of following the church administration, following eduardo manalo, hymns about the the administration, its in every prayer in the worship service. Outside of the worship services its also in every prayer, every meeting, every lecture.
how can anyone stomach this anymore?
it's awkward, cringy, repelling.
Just witness recently some transferring into the local and becoming inactive. I know we seen this post many times, but I just want to share the success i'm seeing out there, and to let everyone know, more are leaving the church.
It seems like every prayer, every meeting, visitations and every worship service has an emphasis on the Church Administration, protecting them, following them, and trusting them.
You can classify me as PIMO but I do understand the Fallen Angels, cause there is huge increase of this during Eduardo's time and most of these issues are happening during this time.
I remember, when a lecture or a worship service edified a person, told them how to be a better person, how God would help us in our lives, now theres always a part of the lesson that says we need the Church Administration to be closer to God, and what's worse, is that some of these lectures, are like scolding, especially if that's the only voice the worker/minister knows.
it's also, not low key anymore. they're inserting these in prayers, thank God for the Church Administration because we need them to be with him. and the "yes, father" or "Opo" is brain washing the sub conscious mind into agreeing.
i feel like this already has been mentioned, if it has, sorry for reposting, but with the recent lesson, there was a mention of being of the legal age to marry, if there is a legal age, why are some courting those are binhi.
with the stress levels that come with being an officer, the constant push by the church administration, to push, to pressure (for numbers like fruits, edification, visitations, attendance, etc.) i dont know how much of this that my heart can take anymore.
i constantly think about those who had high duties, that were overseers to departments, like presidents, and how they have passed away young. im not saying what cause them to have heart attacks, they might have stressful lives and poor eating habits in general outside of church, but i did see what they faced and apparently even before my time, there has been times when our brethren have passed away young, even during preparations for visits from the church administration, due to the pressure to meeting timelines and dates and preparing the house of worship.
im thinking of them even more, and what they were going through.
im just venting.
Is that what im hearing correctly? I just saw a post of choir member who has to perform in 5 services this weekend, would that choir members also have to be in the rally?
officers are already worn out. perform multiple services this weekend, then do a rally the next day?
should you be in a situation when asked by a minister, department head or an officer regarding what is going on in PH or social media, or any topic, make sure you know how to answer and how to react.
these officers and ministers are very aware of this site, but not of who you are.
if in a meeting you may be asked, what do you think about the rally/reddit/discord server/etc your response can be a sign of where you stand.
dont underestimate these officers and ministers, they can read body language, the tone of your voice, your eye moments and expressions.
just be aware that you may be asked certain questions, whether its only to you or even in a meeting with many people (like a CFO meeting, especially a meeting with many youth members), dont let it surprise you.
i cant speak for everywhere, but from my observations, years and many decades ago, the officers were told be very cautious when bring up money/offerings with the brethren. now its very direct. we should even include it in the prayer when visiting them. if you look at the timing, that a lot of brethren are being visited, since its the anniversary and how they say we should give from the heart and abound, but what that means is you should give from you heart, but give more. with all of this that is happening, the visitations dont seem very genuine but instead are used to remind brethren to give from the heart, but to give more than last year
There is a quote by Naomi Alderman
it says
"silence is not power, it's not strength. silence is the means by which the weak remain weak and the strong remain strong. silence is a method of oppression." - Naomi Alderman
to the officer who thinks that the local/district is trying to push too many activities, you can say it, especially if your burned out, have no time for yourself, your family, or even your health, you can say something. maybe we dont need that activity, maybe it can be done during another time.
to the PIMO's/Fallen Angels, i know its hard to really speak out, especially if you do speaking out it means your family's duties gets removed, you can always vent here. i thought mean venting out here would be like me spamming this reddit, but i never had anyone said i was venting out too much. people here are welcoming. also, you're experiences while still being in the church shows how the church really is
to the youth, there is nothing wrong with you if you think different, if you have a different understanding, if you use technology to back up your thoughts to see how the church's teachings are not in aligned with how you think, you are not a virus, that can spread doubts among other youth. just be patience with your parents, they have decades of conditioning. it may be harder to vent out to them, but you can always speak out here, and to any of your close friends who are not members.
to the bible students, if your curious, ask a question here, because joining the church will surely change your lifestyle
to everyone, ive seen a lot of traffic in this reddit, and even when you google the church, this reddit is on the first page, keep speaking. keep voicing out, lets keep this reddit active.
also, this is what im thinking, and im just thinking out loud, im not telling anyone to do anything, these are just words that i want to say, and if anyone wants to listen, that for them to decide.
and if youre there, you know who you are, and are trying to look on social media, for certain members that liked a post that has this quote, or a post were a member liked that author, dont jump to conclusions. you may have the wrong person.
I just wonder how much of the lessons could be used for actual teachings of the Bible. Because what im hearing more now, are bible verses being read to support the church's political goals, to be one with evm, and follow the church administration.
the bible has teachings, on how to be a good person, how live your life, and how to find God, but it seems like that is hardly discussed or taught. but they do teach a lot about the hardships and trials of life when they talk about the world being a bad place, and how we should stay in the church, because thats our only safety. but most of my trials and hardship are actually within the church.
between two worship service days, department meetings, bible studies, and other district/local activities, there are times that officers are performing their duties 7 days a week and then will continue that cycle. i'm feeling burned down to the ground.
sorry for bad grammar on the title and if its feels like another vent post from me. i hope it doesnt seem like spam. theres just so much to vent about this church.
over the past few years we had activities, meetings, sports events planned on holidays and holiday weekends and even sundays evenings when youre trying to relax and spend time with the family before the work week.
i just dont think the church gives any consideration to its members anymore. i know im not the only one thinking this. i hear it after meetings, after events, i even hear officers say "Brother Eduardo doesn't want us to have any more time"
if we are suppose to do our family hour, and spending time with our family is a commandment, why press all these activities on us. the church is overbearing and its officers look burned out.
some ministers and DMs are taking it to a higher level, and want an activity every week. i'm not sure if they understand that they're main job is just a minister, while most officers have to go work morning to almost evening, and then go fulfill their duties.
it doesnt feel like they care for the officers, saying they do, but stressing them out and pressuring them with so many things is the opposite. actions speak louder.
We were instructed to remind brethren when visiting them about the importance of giving our offerings. We can include this in a our prayers when we visit them, for example, when praying for their means of living we can include so that we can give in our offerings.
I saw a post earlier about the CA having an IT dept, who is trying to track those who post in here. maybe we can gather all the tips and update what we have.
because, the CA is aware of this reddit. and they are wondering who is on it.
i'm not the most techy person but I do my best to cover my identity.
if you click on a link that takes you out of reddit. especially a link to a blog that is talking about the church and if that blog is hosted on a personal server, the owner can see the IPs that go to that server.
also, photos we take and post, may have meta data on it, like time and place it was posted. i'm not sure what reddit does with that meta data, but its always good to be careful.
also not all districts are giving the same message/instruction, it may be modified a little bit, so if you say something specific to that district, then it can be narrowed down.
if a minister just happens to leave his laptop unlocked, and telegram, just leave it alone, it may be bait.
this is something i overheard, and it was vented out. they are to spend less time with their family and more on their duty. i can see some ministers families wishing they never were in that office. there is a lot of pressure on them, and that pressure is given back to the officers.