u/Norvegese-Guilloche

My Reaction to Odyssey Realist

Genuinely curious what standard people think this movie is failing to meet, because "authentic Greek casting" has never been the bar for any major Bronze Age/Classical Greek film. Troy (2004) didn't clear it either — no one raised this over Brad Pitt, Eric Bana, or Orlando Bloom.

Nolan himself cast Tom Hardy as Bane, a character who's Latino in the original text, and that predates the current wave of casting-accuracy discourse entirely. If the standard only gets invoked now, it's worth asking why.

There's a deeper problem with "faithful to the original" as a standard at all: there isn't a stable original to be faithful to. The Homeric Question is a real, unresolved scholarly debate — we don't know if "Homer" was one person, several, or a name attached to centuries of oral-formulaic composition and later redaction. Even Troy, which people hold up as the more "authentic" adaptation, isn't actually built on Homer alone. The Iliad stops before the wooden horse, before Achilles' death, before the sack of the city — none of that is in Homer. Troy had to pull from Quintus of Smyrna's Posthomerica, written roughly 1,100 years after Homer's traditional dating. So the "more historically accurate" comparison is itself leaning on a text further removed from the source than most people realize.

Given that, I think the more useful question isn't "did they cast this faithfully" but "why did Nolan make the choices he made." His Odyssey clearly isn't just restaging the Trojan War — reviewers have connected it directly to the antiwar throughline he started in Oppenheimer, and the film's ending (the horse burning, a line about the lessons of this age being forgotten) reads like a deliberate argument that glorifying past violence is what lets it repeat. That's a different project than reproducing "the sensibilities of the original text" — and it's worth noting that most of the visceral, glorified battlefield violence people associate with Homer is Iliad material anyway; the Odyssey itself is mostly Odysseus narrating the war secondhand, years after the fact, which is a different register to begin with.

None of this means you have to like the movie. "I didn't enjoy it" or "this take on the character didn't land for me" doesn't need defending — that's just taste. The claim that opens you up to pushback is "this is what it should be" — because that's asserting there's one correct version, and for a story with no fixed original, passed down and reshaped for millennia, there just isn't one. Every adaptation, every reading, every classroom interpretation of a 2,700-year-old poem is already a departure from something that was never fixed in the first place. Might as well judge the movie Nolan actually made.

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u/Norvegese-Guilloche — 3 days ago
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What are the worst takes you've heard coming out of a movie?

I just rewatched 7 Samurai on the big screen this weekend and a guy was telling his friend, " It was fun, not super great. Joeschmo(his friend) has it in his top 10, but not me, not even close. It was way too long. There was so much we could have done without. There definitely should be an abridged version."

Another terrible take I heard was after leaving The Drama one woman looked at her bf with the sweetest gaze and said, "I'm so glad we already know the worst things each other did." I was just thinking to myself that was not the big takeaway from that movie...at least it shouldn't have been.

I also remember my pops, years ago, after we went to see T2 in theaters, on the ride home saying, "It was a good movie, but they could have gotten a better looking woman to play the lead." Even then, I tried to explain that the role called for the character to exude toughness and wasn't made for a Hollywood bombshell. He wasn't convinced. LLS

Everyone has a right to their interpretations, but some are objectively worse than others.

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u/Norvegese-Guilloche — 13 days ago
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The Best 3rd Movie In a Trilogy.

I was thinking and realized, while many second sequels have been decent. Almost all that I have watched could have been done without. For the movie to be on my winners list, it can't be the weak link in the first 3 movies. Here's a few that I thought did add something unique or were excellent enough to be stand alone productions:

  1. Return of the Jedi- the standard by which all other trilogies are measured.

  2. Guardians of the Galaxy 3- well made but not unique

  3. Rocky 3- because James Brown...enough said.

  4. Lord of the Rings 3

  5. The Good The Bad & The Ugly

  6. The Matrix 3

Pretenders that others will have as contenders:

  1. The Godfather 3

  2. Avatar 3

*Pirates of the Carribean (Only with Johnny Depp) and Mission Impossible were left off because my bias runs too deep. I could be watching part 44 of each of these series and telling everyone how they just don't miss.

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u/Norvegese-Guilloche — 19 days ago