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Image 1 — 261008 All Hanni's 2025 travel photos from Hanni's birthday treasure hunt! — Italy, England, Vietnam, Argentina, Antarctica, Milly & Mia
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261008 All Hanni's 2025 travel photos from Hanni's birthday treasure hunt! — Italy, England, Vietnam, Argentina, Antarctica, Milly & Mia

  • Images 2-3: Vatican City, Rome, ITALY - April 2025 (with Minji)
  • Image 4: Hanni in the rain, London, ENGLAND (with Minji)
  • Images 5-7: Milly & Mia! - 2025
  • Images 8-9: Massimiliano Schiavon Art Team, workshop/art gallery, Venice, ITALY - April 2025
  • Images 10-14: ARGENTINA/ANTARCTICA - Nov 2025
  • Images 15-18: Hà Giang, VIETNAM - Sep 2025
  • Images 19-20: Polaroids - 2025

If you missed Hanni's birthday treasure hunt, check this thread.

Hanni drew a treasure map and hid 'treasures' (the travel photos) in the city of Seoul to celebrate her birthday with bunnies, with her fan cafes helping with the event.

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 7 days ago
▲ 13 r/NJZ

Hanni has sent a treasure map to 4 birthday fan cafes—sending fans on a IRL treasure hunt across Seoul!

It's a developing story! More info later!

What's happening:

  • 4 birthday fan cafes received a fragment of a treasure map from Hanni!
  • The 4 parts form a complete map.
  • At each numbered location awaits a gift planted by Hanni.
  • Fans are currently roaming all over Seoul to find the gifts.

Image 1: the complete map
Image 2: the number 3 location with a package stuck on it.
Image 3: a fan holding a package containing what appears to be signed selfies from Hanni.
Image 4: the map with the location greyed out.

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 7 days ago
▲ 43 r/NJZ

Fans flood social media to wish Hanni a HBD! Feat. Min Heejin

Thousands of posts, hundreds of fanarts, over a dozen IRL fan cafes, Hanni you are so loved. 🩷

It also looks like Min Heejin got tired of watching Fraudor treat Newjeans like trash and said, "Fck it," and joined in on the frenzy. 🤭

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 7 days ago
▲ 81 r/NJZ

A cute interactive storybook website dedicated to Danielle made by a fan—check it out!

I noticed there are quite a few Danielle fans here, I figured some might like that.

A fan created a scrollytelling webpage for Danielle ☀️ that reads like a big fan letter. And it's interactive too. There are secret notes to find, and you can summon Power Puff Girl Danielle as a companion.

I thought it was well done.

It only takes a few minutes, check it out here: https://danielle-archive.vercel.app/#story

Made by RumiTokki on Twitter.

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 22 days ago
▲ 203 r/NJZ

Hanni's cousin's paintings of Newjeans are featured on the popular Japanese Lifestyle magazine Casa BRUTUS. feat. Min Heejin

Hanni's 10-year-old cousin made those paintings a few years back. (image 2)

Newjeans had them on display in their old dorm. (image 3)

When Newjeans left Ador in 2024, they gave them to MHJ for her to keep.

You can see those same paintings in the 26-page exclusive interview of Min Heejin for the Casa BRUTUS October 2026 issue, a prominent Japanese lifestyle and design magazine, as part of a collaboration between Min Heejin of OOAK Records, Casa BRUTUS and the fashion brand everyone. (images 1, 4, 5, 6)

While not a big deal, as with all professional photoshoots, every detail is intentional. 💪

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 1 month ago
▲ 165 r/NJZ

Is Hyein the biggest HYBE hater?

"Hyein and Haerin are quiet and loyal and will totally resign with HYBE in 2029."

No, they won't. 🙄

Nobody wants to work at a company that bullies you, witch-hunts your mentor, harasses your staff, sues your best friend, and continues to block you from working and communicating with your fans even though you returned 1 year ago. What kind of idol life is that?

Newjeans is smart. They know HYBE is a shithole. They are leaving ASAP baby! 👋


👇Video transcript:

>Hyein:

>As an artist of HYBE... This lack of communication from the company... We... It made me certain that they weren't respecting us at all.

>And amidst such a confusing situation, the manager told us that the new CEO wanted to say hello to us after coming into ADOR. From the first thing she did... her consideration of us... I couldn't feel a single ounce of it.

>When we met the new CEO, Jooyoung-nim, she said things like, "This is for the members, we care for the members. Newjeans comes first." If you look at the things that have happened so far, you can clearly see that those were just merely words.

>From the beginning, a week before Newjeans' comeback, HYBE didn't even help with the promotion. Instead, they put out the news of Min Heejin's breach of trust and portrayed Newjeans negatively to the public. I want to ask again, how exactly those actions were "for" Newjeans❓

>Min Heejin:

>Hyein cried harder than me for like 20 minutes... She said... She said... She said she was so thankful to me. She said I helped her when she was having hard times. But because she couldn't help me in return right now, she said it was driving her crazy.

>Hyein said she wanted to go on Phoning. She wanted to say something. But... her mom and I were all crying and stopping her. Hyein's a bit of a stubborn kid. She does what she wants to do.

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 1 month ago
▲ 441 r/NJZ

All the evidence Ador has presented in court against Danielle (very long list!)

  • Danielle did the same thing as the other members, like a livestream or using her own money to fund ComplexCon, and stopped after the judge told them to stop!
  • Danielle showed up at some photoshoot after being told to by someone (but no one knows who that someone is), and she wasn't even paid!
  • Danielle explored her options, like the possibility of making music, and nothing happened!
  • The end.

Good luck winning the lawsuit, Ador. 🫡

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 1 month ago
▲ 278 r/NJZ

240826 Haerin for Marie Claire x Dior Beauty Magazine Photo Scans (September 2026 issue)

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago

[240826] The lyrics of the song Haerin said she is listening to these days 🌧️ in Marie Claire x Dior interview

A bit gloomy 🌧️

Anyway, she also said the song puts her in a good mood.

>Q: What songs has Haerin been listening to to get through this summer?

>😾: I've been listening to "Sunset (feat. Yuna Zarai)" by The Internet. The atmosphere of this song makes me feel calm, but what left the biggest impression on me were the lyrics. Sitting outside, looking at the summer sunset while listening to this song, the lyrics really hit me in the heart and put me in a good mood.

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago
▲ 62 r/NJZ

The lyrics of the song Haerin said she is listening to these days 🌧️ in Marie Claire x Dior interview

Haerin emphasized the song's lyrics impressed her and touched her. 🐸

She concluded the song puts her in a good mood.

The song is 'Sunset (feat. Yuna Zarai)' by The Internet.

The last image is a scan of the magazine, because Haerin's face is funny. 😾

>Q: What songs has Haerin been listening to to get through this summer?

>😾: I've been listening to "Sunset (feat. Yuna Zarai)" by The Internet. The atmosphere of this song makes me feel calm, but what left the biggest impression on me were the lyrics. Sitting outside, looking at the summer sunset while listening to this song, the lyrics really hit me in the heart and put me in a good mood.

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago
▲ 187 r/NJZ

'An Obscene Middle Finger' Illit's Director Serian Heu has attacked the Newjeans fandom 1st, a court finds.

On the 24th, an exclusive article by Sisa Journal reported on the lawsuit Illit's creative director Serian Heu had filed and lost against Min Heejin.

Serian Heu's legal team argued the Newjeans fandom had attacked her. However, the court pointed out Serian Heu had antagonized the Newjeans fandom 1st by posting an image of a middle finger on her Instagram.

Relevant passage from the article (Source):

>[Exclusive] Illit's Director Also Loses to Min Hee-jin... 19 Lawsuits Currently Underway at HYBE

>An employee of Belift Lab, a label under HYBE, filed a lawsuit seeking damages in the range of 100 million won against Min Hee-jin, the former CEO of Ador, but recently lost in the first trial. HYBE is unable to escape "litigation risks," with as many as 19 ongoing lawsuits alone since the management rights dispute with former CEO Min began in 2024.

>According to a comprehensive report by Sisa Journal and online communities on the 24th, the 22nd Civil Division of the Seoul Western District Court ruled on the 21st that "the plaintiff's claim is without merit," dismissing the damages lawsuit filed by Heo, the Visual Creative Director of Illit, against former CEO Min and others. Although Heo proceeded with this lawsuit in a personal capacity, it aligns with previous litigation in that Kim & Chang and Law Firm Sejong represented Heo and former CEO Min, respectively.

>Heo filed a lawsuit alleging that she suffered irreparable damages due to former CEO Min’s statement at a press conference in April 2024, when the management rights dispute with HYBE erupted, claiming that "Illit copied NewJeans," as well as the oral arguments made by her legal representative (Sejong) in the subsequent lawsuit confirming the termination of the shareholder agreement, and emails sent to reporters by a media consulting firm.

>The court in the 1st trial ruled that former CEO Min’s side did not specifically identify Heo. The court noted that while former CEO Min mentioned "HYBE, Chairman Bang Si-hyuk, and Belift Lab" as the subjects of "plagiarism, copying, and leakage" using unrefined language during the press conference, she did not separately mention Heo, the visual director. Regarding Shin, the former Vice President of Ador, who was sued alongside former CEO Min, the court ruled that joint liability for damages was not recognized, as he could not be held responsible for former CEO Min’s statement, Sejong’s oral arguments, or the emails sent by the media consulting firm.

>Heo also claimed that she was subjected to personal attacks by the fandom of NewJeans, a girl group under Ador, following former CEO Min's press conference. However, the court pointed out that the attacks may have been caused by the public disclosure of images Heo posted on her social media on the day of former CEO Min's press conference , such as an image of her making an obscene middle finger, and an image of the movie poster for *Our Little Sister* posted immediately after the release of New Jeans' *Bubble Gum* music video.

>[...]

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u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago
▲ 202 r/NJZ

Illit's creative director Serian Heu is a con artist? Caught stealing Newjeans' planning documents + lying about her education?


Stealing Newjeans' Planning Documents - Images 1,2

1st image is a news report of Hybe VS MHJ court ruling that says it appears Serian Heu took Newjeans' planning proposal created by Min Heejin and used it to create Illit (source):

>The court added, "It appears that HYBE provided Newjeans' planning proposal to BELIFT LAB, and that the Newjeans proposal was used in the planning of ILLIT"

2nd image is of a HYBE employee's testimony recalling his conversation with Serian Heu asking him for Newjeans' planning proposal (full ruling, page 49, footnote 18):

>BF, who worked in the defendant (HYBE)'s storytelling team, stated that upon the request of BG's (BELIFT LAB) creative director BH (Serian Heu) he delivered the G (Newjeans) proposal. In a phone call on June 20, 2024, BF explained:

>BF: "So at that time, they were just forming the group and Serian Heu really didn't know what to do. I was very impressed when I saw Newjeans's materials back then, so I said, 'I have these resources - would you like to take a look?' and I showed them. I thought the materials were well-organized for group creation, so I shared them.
(B): (So Serian Heu asked you to share it?)
BF: Yes, yes, that's right and I thought, 'Wouldn't this end up being similar?' When I saw videos being uploaded on Q, I thought, 'They must have referenced all of this, so why do they keep denying it...' At that time, I think they were struggling internally and just wanted help from me. Serian Heu told me, 'Ah, it's so hard. Nothing is working.' But the actual work situation, I couldn't really know. The reason I showed them the materials then was because they seemed completely lost. Maybe things were roughly done and they were just venting to me, but l couldn't know the real situation."

>(This is from the June 20, 2024, phone call transcript between Plaintiff B and the informant, Exhibit 47.)

TLDR: Serian Heu admits she doesn't have a working plan for Illit and instead uses HYBE's infrastructure to steal Newjeans' plan that she then copied to create Illit.


'Lying' about her Education - Images 3,4,5,6,7

Images 3 and 4 show a strange wave of mediaplay that took place on the same day BELIFT LAB sued MHJ (2024.05.22) and throughout 2024 with the same messages spammed on DCinside and similar forums praising Serian Heu and bashing MHJ:

>Heo Se-ryeon is not someone whose qualifications and career should ever be disregarded

>Heo Se-ryeon is a graduate of the top-tier Hongik University College of Fine Arts and has been active as a fashion editor for media outlets such as Elle, Harper's Bazard and Dazed since 2013, oversseing Vogue's digital content.

>Heo Se-ryeon, a real ace to get into Hongik University

>The famous fashion magazine director Heo Se-ryeon from Hongik University Fine Arts department

>Min Heejin jealous of Heo Se-ryeon who graduated from the top-tier Hongik University Fine Arts department.

>etc...

That's notable for 3 reasons:

  • DCinside, a Korean internet forum that can be described as a crossover between Reddit and 4chan, is the same platform all misinformation targeting Newjeans and Min Heejin, all HYBE's narratives, and other news from cyberwrecker Lee Jinho or Dispatch on the K-side originate from. Image 5 shows it's also the same platform BELIFT LAB lifted their material from to make their infamous 'debunking' video.
  • K-bunnies later digged into Serian Heu's past and found out that it's false. Contrary to what the mediaplay says, images 6 and 7 found on an old blog post show she graduated from Sejong University (mid-tier), not Hongik University (top 1-2, also known colloquially as Hongdae).
  • As soon as it was revealed it was false and her namu wiki page was accordingly updated (the Korean equivalent of Wikipedia), Serian Heu personally sent a legal request to take down her namu wiki page.

TLDR: Suspicious mediaplay using HYBE's affiliated channels to lie about Serian Heu's education. While Serian Heu may not have brought it up directly, she didn't mind the misinformation when her namu wiki page was claiming she had graduated from Hongik University and immediately took the page down to hide the truth when it was revealed she hadn't.


Bad Temperament and Poor Character - Image 8

Serian Heu knew she had stolen Newjeans' planning documents and used them to copy Newjeans. She knew she was in the wrong.

So when Min Heejin held her press conference to defend herself against HYBE's accusations and call out HYBE and BELIFT LAB, Serian Heu could have chosen to stay silent in shame or even profusely apologize after getting caught.

Instead, she took it to her Instagram to rage-post disparaging stories like a middle finger or other things like a 10-year-old for the whole world to see.

And then she took it one step further and filed a lawsuit against Min Heejin, the person she stole from, and lost. The perpetrator suing the victim is peak moral depravity.


Fun Fact

There is a pun in Serian Heu's Korean name, Heo Seryeon 허세련.

(Serian Heu / Heu Serian is a personal, stylized English romanization and her adopted official English name. The 'correct' romanization is Heo Se-ryeon)

허+세련
Heo + Se-ryeon

becomes

허세+련
Heose + ryeon

Heose 허세 is used in Korean to describe someone who is pretending to be something they are not, someone who is fake. Her name Heo Seryeon 허세련 can be jokingly translated as fake or phony person. And it's one phonetic pun away from 허세년 = fake bitch (slang). Quite the tell on yourself after what happened.


What's everyone's opinion of Serian Heu? Is she Bang Sihyuk's pawn or a 'villain' in her own right?

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago
▲ 370 r/NJZ

"Evidence of smear conspiracy" US court rules against HYBE's PR agency TAG PR that smeared Min Heejin and Newjeans

HYBE's previously owned black PR agency 'TAG PR' or 'The Agency Group PR' has been sued by half a dozen individuals who have been victims of an organized smear campaign.

In a preliminary ruling against TAG PR, Superior Court judge Michael Whitaker wrote that Justin Baldoni's lawyer and crisis publicist Melissa Nathan, CEO of TAG PR, are implicated in the creation of smear websites.

One of those websites previously revealed in another victim's deposition is minheejin.net. This website had posted numerous lies, such as "Min Heejin and Newjeans are criminals" or "Min Heejin, Newjeans and their fans are harassing people of Jewish Faith". ('minheejin.net' appearing in the complaint filed against officials of Tag PR, a former subsidiary of HYBE: Korean article 25.12.10, English article 25.12.11, follow-up Korean articles 1 25.12.19 and 2 26.01.23, related The Hollywood Reporter articles mentioning it 1 26.02.11, 2 26.04.21 and 3 26.04.30)

The judge noted:

  • "There is a tangled web of connections between these sites and numerous others."
  • There is a “conspiracy to smear various individuals."
  • The lawyer may have been “involved in directing or otherwise effectuating all of those alleged smear campaigns.”

Among the evidence are audio recordings containing instructions to Melissa Nathan to smear the victims.

This ruling marks the 1st time a judge acknowledges the existence of a smear conspiracy targeting Min Heejin and others. The defamation lawsuit will proceed to trial after the court rejected the motion to dismiss it, citing sufficient evidence to prove the case.

It remains to be seen if Min Heejin will file her own lawsuit against TAG PR or HYBE.

Source: The Hollywood Reporter

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago
▲ 171 r/NJZ

Haerin saw how Hybe was harassing her gf Danielle, and decided to get titanium teeth to bite Bang Sihyuk head off

5 minutes of wholesome Daerin ^ 💚💛

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago
▲ 119 r/NJZ

Newjeans' "iconic work" was done by Min Heejin (Creative Director) and Kim Yemin (Art & Visual Director), not Kim Nayeon (3D Graphics/Videographer)!

While many people have worked with Newjeans, it's important to understand there is a hierarchy to how much everyone contributes that is best described as follows:

  • CEO (Min Heejin) (only one)
    • — In charge of everything related to management + greenlights all the creative director's decisions
  • ↓
  • Creative Director (Min Heejin) (only one)
    • — In charge of everything related to production = Invents everything and gives all the directions about the 'what' and 'why' = "This is what we are doing and why we are doing it."
    • — Basically works on things like group's identity, story/narrative, thematics, comeback eras... = a singular vision encompassing everything from album packaging to teasers to choreography.
  • ↓
  • Art / Visual Director(s) (Min Heejin + Kim Yemin) (possibly several, sometimes combined)
    • — Turns all the 'what' and 'why' into 'how' = "We have this idea, we want this result, and we are going to achieve it by doing it like that."
    • — Supervises all the teams and projects.
    • — The art director works on things like album covers, fonts, colors, layouts, sets, posters, and websites... While the visual director works on things like photography, videos, teasers, visual storytelling, camera angles, poses, lighting, composition...
  • ↓
  • Executive Producer / Producer / Project Lead (Min Heejin + many more)
    • — In charge of everything for an individual project, with a varied degree of hands-on work + working closely with the art/visual director or film/music video director or head stylist or performance director or music producer...
    • — A project can be big, like a music video, a song, a music show, a photoshoot, a photobook... (nearly always Min Heejin) or small, like a 10s teaser video or an animation for a website (different people including Kim Nayeon have directed or co-directed some of those)
    • — Basically works on things like direction & goals, schedules, communication & coordination, deadlines, approvals, budget...
  • ↓
  • Graphic Designer, Concept/2D/3D/VFX Artist, Animator/Motion Designer, Photographer, Videographer, Stylist, Editor... (the rest of the employees, including Kim Nayeon + Min Heejin)
    • — Basically works on various tasks of a given project.

Takeaways:

  1. The creative director and the art or visual director are the brains behind any Kpop group. They are the ones who brainstorm, plan, and transform ideas into content. At Ador, it was Min Heejin and Kim Yemin who are senior directors and have been working together for a long time.
  2. Min Heejin is everywhere. That's correct. She has 25 years of experience in the industry, and through public recruiting, promotions and a lot of hand-on work, she directly or indirectly worked nearly every job imaginable, from a graphic designer to a visual director to a creative director, and everything in between, like photographer, vocal director, stage & concert producer, but also board director, brand director, content director, marketing director, executive producer, CEO... If Newjeans were a video game, Min Heejin would be a level 200 warlord who has mastered 20 different weapons, while everyone else at the bottom is a level 20 warrior with a club.
  3. Kim Nayeon appears near the bottom of the list. She worked on simpler tasks or directed a few simpler projects. That's not to diminish her accomplishments, she did well within the more limited scope of her work.

TLDR:

Min Heejin and Kim Yemin made Newjeans (and many more, but mostly them). Hybe has stolen enough from Newjeans and everyone involved already, without fans or haters crediting others for those 2 women's hard work.

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u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 2 months ago
▲ 525 r/NJZ

You want to know what makes Hybe stans really mad? Newjeans got more balls to say and do what's right than their favs ever will.

Newjeans are not afraid to call out Hybe and Bang Sihyuk.

Newjeans don't need Hybe to succeed.

Newjeans, who are teenagers, have the character and integrity to stand for themselves and others within and outside Hybe while their favs, who are grown-ups, stand for nothing.

All this talk about changing the idol industry or paving the way, but when it's time to walk the talk, everyone goes quiet. 🤫

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 3 months ago
▲ 394 r/NJZ

Newjeans did everything right and saved their career

And here's why:

When Newjeans speaks out, they are rallying support and building momentum for their activities now and in the future once they are free from Hybe. If they stay silent, they are slowly phased out and forgotten, and years later people ask, "What happened to NewJeans?"

When you are a celebrity and your professional image is your livelihood, you don't let a corporation walk all over you with smears and lies. You fight. You share your experience and tell your story. People remember voices, not silence.

Popular female idols like Blackpink or Twice are in their early 30s and are more successful than ever. Even lesser-known idols like S.E.S. Bada or S.E.S. Eugene who are in their 40s continue to appear in public, release music and tour.

With the right support, top idols don't fizzle out. For Newjeans who will be in their early 20s in a couple years, they have their whole life and a long career ahead of them.

Newjeans have fans fighting alongside them, the public empathizing with their misfortune, and professionals anticipating working with them again. They have Min Heejin's ecosystem ready to catapult them to superstardom once more. The whole world is yearning for their return as 5.

And that's only possible because in September 2024 and in November 2024, Newjeans stood up for themselves and made history.

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 3 months ago
▲ 108 r/NJZ

Did Illit members bully Hanni?

The incident with the Illit manager instructing the group to ignore Hanni, and thus engaging in workplace bullying, has been discussed aplenty.

What is less talked about is Illit members' reaction when they are told by the manager to ignore Hanni.

Those are the Kakaotalk messages between Hanni and Min heejin released in court last year, describing the uncomfortable altercation:


Chat Log

PM 10:32

1. Hanni: Well... I was just out in the 4th floor hallway practicing some dance moves, you know where the elevator room is?
2. Hanni: There, three ILLIT members and their manager came out, and I greeted them as usual!!
3. Hanni: The four of them went into the styling room while I stayed in the hallway!!
4. Hanni: Since it was almost time to leave

PM 10:33

5. Hanni: But then about 5-10 minutes later...?

PM 10:34

6. Hanni: Those four came out of the styling room again, and I heard the door open, followed by their manager
7. Hanni: saying, Just pretend you don't know her and walk past.

PM 10:35

8. Hanni: I can't remember if those were the exact words, but it was something like that.

PM 10:36 (Partial timestamp visible)

9. Hanni: So when they passed by, the manager completely avoided looking at me, and one member just looked towards the manager while saying something like "Yes yes...I'll just pretend I don't know her"

PM 10:36

10. MHJ: While you were greeting them?
11. MHJ: Was the manager telling them not to accept your greeting
12. MHJ: ?
13. Hanni: "Another one gave an awkward greeting while avoiding my eyes, and the last one did greet me but seemed very hesitant"
14. Hanni [Reply to “Was the manager telling them not to accept your greeting”]: I'm not sure
15. Hanni: Of course I did (greet them)!! I did!!

PM 10:37

16. MHJ: [unknown - chat bubble cropped out]
17. Hanni [Reply to: "But what's the part you're most certain about?"]: That the manager said those words…
18. MHJ: “Ignore her”
19. MHJ: This?
20. Hanni: Well...there's really no need for us to be like this with each other

PM 10:38

21. Hanni: Personally, it felt weird when the manager said something like that

PM 10:39

22. MHJ: The words were said loud enough to hear
23. MHJ: Then everyone ignored you?
24. Hanni: Yes... That's what they said as they were coming out after I heard the door open
25. MHJ: Did all the ILLIT members ignore you?

PM 11:04

26. Hanni: see i totally understand why the girls would be uncomfortable and awkward when they see us because there's been so much rivalry between our teams in the media and inside the company so i fully get that

PM ?? (No Specific Timestamps Visible) - These messages appear to be stitched together in the screenshots with no clear timestamps, making it impossible to determine their exact timing or order: 

27. Hanni: So rather than feeling bad, it was honestly... kind of funny,
28. Hanni: It just made me think once again, 'Ah, we're really working with such great people'

PM 11:18

29. Hanni: I really don't care about them at all
30. Hanni: So if you're worried about that, don't be!


Summary:

1, Hanni describes the flow of the conversation between the manager and 3 Illit members as they leave the room

  1. The manager gives instructions along the lines of "Just pretend you don't know her and walk past".

2.1. Human memory remembers the substance of a conversation a lot better than the exact verbatim used, it's normal, explaining Hanni's next sentence: "I can't remember if those were the exact words, but it was something like that."

  1. Illit members' reactions to the manager's instructions differ:

3.1. 1st member reacts by saying "Yes yes...I'll just pretend I don't know her"
3.2. 2nd member reacts by giving "an awkward greeting while avoiding my eyes"
3.3. 3rd member reacts with a "greet me but seemed very hesitant"

  1. Min Heejin is understanding and asks questions, as any sensible adult would.

  2. Hanni appears visibly hurt but chooses to stay optimistic, making the best of a bad situation, explaining sentences like "So rather than feeling bad, it was honestly... kind of funny, It just made me think once again, Ah, we're really working with such great people" and "I really don't care about them at all, So if you're worried about that, don't be!"


Conclusion:

According to this evidence, it can be understood that at the very least the 1st Illit member agreed and participated in some capacity in Hanni's bullying by saying "Yes yes...I'll just pretend I don't know her".

Furthermore, Illit members' questionable reactions were never mentioned publicly. It appears Hanni, despite feeling wronged, intentionally omitted that information during the Youtube livestream and at the National Assembly to protect Illit members.

Newjeans' law firm Sejong also redacted the most controversial part "Yes yes...I'll just pretend I don't know her" during court proceedings, it was Hybe/Ador that showed that part.

Belift Lab also investigated themselves (?!), and the CCTV footage showing that interaction subsequently mysteriously disappeared.


So what do you think? Did Illit bully Hanni?

u/OfWhatLiesInTheDark — 3 months ago