u/Ok-Cranberry-2185

Frank Morris is the smartest person in history and it’s not that close

Have yall used intelligence frameworks before. Have any of yall used CHC perhaps.
Willing to discuss this and change my opinion.
Here’s some context:

“"When comparing the intelligence (in the context of outsmarting or just being more “smart” of two characters or in real life people against each other, it's important to distinguish exactly where their feats were performed and under what situation.

Microcosm: a community, place, or situation regarded as encapsulating in miniature the characteristic qualities or features of something much larger.
Division... 
It can be divided into two:

Fixed Situation (FS): A scenario where you are operating on a microcosm, essentially a game with rules, punishments, and restrictions.
It typically involves navigating a complex and emergent system and trying to find loopholes within it.
EX: School tests/exams, chess, gambling, school assignments, survival games (hunger games, The Purge ☠️☠️), escape rooms, event competitions → My 4.41 GPA

Non-Fixed Situation (NFS): A scenario which you are unrestricted by, typically at the global level. It involves a system with more emergent and unpredictable properties, and there are no rules.
The biggest distinction is that FS has a singular or collective entity which designed the game and rules, while in NFS there is no designer. The system itself and its rules can change dynamically, meaning its foundation can change itself.

EX: In real life (almost), Catching Jack the Ripper and Zodiac Killer,  surviving a war (Anne Frank attempts to evade the Germans when outside the camps) escaping a maximum security prison in real life —> Cat and Mouse is NFS… RLS (Real Life Situation) is NFS. 
Referring back to “real life (almost),” it’s because real life is literally default setting for NFS (open world, even walking down the street counts) with many real life situation → RLS (politics, crime, war) but there’s some FS elements to real life like law in the criminal justice system (determinable if you BREAK them lol then it turns NFS XD) and going into institutions (school, poker tournament, chess finals, going to court because you murdered someone”

Intelligence framework

“Intelligence

Gf
Gc
Gq
Grw
Gwm
Gv
Ga
Gl
Gr
Gs
Gr
Gei
Gk
Go
Gh
Gp
GPS
Crystallized Intelligence
Fluid Intelligence
General Intelligence

FSEQ

Emotional Understanding
Emotional Perception
Emotional Management
Emotional Engagement
Emotional Facilitation
Emotional Realization

FSSQ

Social Awareness
Social Integration
Social Cognition
Social Skills
Social Engineering
Charisma

Adversity Capacity

Perseverance
Mental fortitude
Stress tolerance
Impulse Management
Cognitive Discipline

Adaptability

Cognitive Adaptability
Speed Adaptability
Environmental Adaptability
Situational Adaptability

Sensory

Perception
Observation
Intuition

Cognition

Neuroplasticity
Learning Ability
Knowledge Application
Memory
Novel Complex Problem Solving

Thinking

Critical Thinking
Systematic Thinking
Associative Thinking
Holistic Thinking
Linear Thinking
Non Linear Thinking
Convergent Thinking
Abstract Thinking
Quick Thinking

Reasoning

Deductive reasoning
Inductive reasoning
Abductive reasoning
Abstract reasoning
..
Foresight

Concrete Anticipation
Predictions
Preclusion

Tactics

Synergy
Potency
Tenacity
Formulation Speed

Manipulation

Mass manipulation
Psychological manipulation
Logical manipulation
Emotional manipulation
Indirect manipulation
Direct manipulation

Deception

Misdirection
Fabrication
Concealment
Info Control
Sophistry
Bluffing
Acting skills
Disguise Mastery

Planning

Planning Versatility
Planning Intricacies
Planning Coverage
Planning Invincibility
Planning Formulation
Planning Contingency

Strategy

Strategy Fortitude
Strategy Adaptability
Strategy Complexity
Strategy Building
Strategy Logistics

Field Skills

Setting Traps
Info Gathering
Contingencies
Situational Awareness
Risk Calculation
Decision Making
Tactical Unpredictability

Resistance

Manipulation Resistance
Perception Resistance
Planning Identification
Strategy Identification

Counteraction

Trap Evasion
Improvisation
Overcoming Limitations
Tactical Responsiveness

Analysis

Gathering Statistics
Descriptive Analysis
Psychoanalysis
Psychological Profiling
Statistical Inferences

Psychology

Cold Reading
Hot Reading
Psychological Insight
Psychological Warfare

Countering

Theory of Mind
Scheming
Mental Hardware
Willingness to Act
Higher Strengths
Fewer Weaknesses

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u/Ok-Cranberry-2185 — 1 day ago

Michael Scofield S1E7 vs Comp Mahone

Only feats presented from s1 on 1-7 whether offscreen or onscreen can be used for Scofield (so offscreen cooper deduction still counts, but any feat after episode 7 such as the vanishing key trick on episode 19 can’t be used for Scofield’s exultation)
Goes the same for any supposed anti feats, unless it’s during episodes 1-7 of Scofield in the first season then it can’t be used, but either way best feats of both characters in their regarding timelines allowed are used)

Alexander Mahone on the other hand gets every feat that is presented or interpreted throughout the whole series of prison break, whilst retaining every anti feat if evaulated to diminish his ability correctly
Don’t get mad when your favorite SCD character loses don’t cry 🤡

Dist

Intelligence: Scofield

WMI: MS
PSI: AM
CPI: MS
FRI: MS
VCI: AM
VSI: MS
Crystallized Intelligence: AM
Fluid Intelligence: MS
General Intelligence: MS

Emotional Intelligence: Mahone

Emotional Understanding: AM
Emotional Perception: AM
Emotional Management: MS
Emotional Engagement: MS
Emotional Facilitation: AM
Emotional Realization: AM >>=

Social Intelligence: Mahone

Social Awareness: AM
Social Integration: AM
Social Cognition: AM
Social Skills: AM
Social Engineering: MS >>=
Charisma: MS

Adversity Capacity: Scofield

Perseverance: MS
Mental fortitude: MS
Stress tolerance: AM>>=
Impulse Management: MS
Cognitive Discipline: MS

Adaptability: Mahone

Cognitive Adaptability: AM
Speed Adaptability: AM
Environmental Adaptability: AM
Situational Adaptability: AM

Sensory: Scofield

Perception: MS
Observation: MS
Intuition: AM

Cognition: Scofield

Neuroplasticity: MS
Learning Ability: MS
Knowledge Application: MS
Memory: MS
Novel Complex Problem Solving: MS

Thinking: Scofield

Critical Thinking: MS
Systematic Thinking: MS
Associative Thinking: MS
Holistic Thinking: MS
Linear Thinking: AM
Non Linear Thinking: MS
Convergent Thinking: AM
Abstract Thinking: MS
Quick Thinking: AM

Reasoning: Mahone

Deductive reasoning: AM
Inductive reasoning: AM
Abductive reasoning: AM
Abstract reasoning: MS

Foresight: Scofield

Concrete Anticipation: MS
Predictions: AM
Preclusion: MS

Tactics: Mahone

Synergy: MS
Potency: AM
Tenacity: AM >>=
Formulation Speed: AM

Manipulation: Mahone

Mass manipulation: AM
Psychological manipulation: AM
Logical manipulation: MS >>=
Emotional manipulation: AM
Indirect manipulation: MS
Direct manipulation: AM

Deception: Scofield

Misdirection: MS
Fabrication: MS
Concealment: MS >>=
Info Control: MS
Sophistry: AM
Bluffing: AM
Acting skills: MS >>=
Disguise Mastery: AM

Planning: Scofield

Planning Versatility: AM
Planning Intricacies: MS
Planning Coverage: MS
Planning Invincibility: MS
Planning Formulation: MS
Planning Contingency: MS

Strategy: Scofield

Strategy Fortitude: MS
Strategy Adaptability: AM
Strategy Complexity: MS
Strategy Building: MS
Strategy Logistics: MS

Field Skills: Mahone

Setting Traps: AM
Info Gathering: AM
Contingencies: MS >>=
Situational Awareness: AM
Risk Calculation: MS
Decision Making: AM
Tactical Unpredictability: AM

Resistance: Mahone

Manipulation Resistance: AM
Perception Resistance: MS
Planning Identification: AM
Strategy Identification: AM

Counteraction: Mahone

Trap Evasion: AM
Improvisation: AM
Overcoming Limitations: MS
Tactical Responsiveness: AM

Analysis: Scofield

Gathering Statistics: MS
Descriptive Analysis: MS
Psychoanalysis: AM
Psychological Profiling: AM
Statistical Inferences: MS

Psychology: Mahone

Cold Reading: AM
Hot Reading: AM
Psychological Insight: AM
Psychological Warfare: AM

Countering: Scofield

Theory of Mind: AM
Scheming: MS
Mental Hardware: MS
Willingness to Act: AM
Higher Strengths: MS
Fewer Weaknesses: MS

Scofield outsmarts extreme diff (+)

u/Ok-Cranberry-2185 — 4 days ago

OG link: https://youtube.com/shorts/cx1l07hMUHM?si=l1hBhawc57idqiMX
Comments might be blocked, at time of screenshot it was open but it’s gone for me now
Was scrolling to comments on the W edit, I have NOT read LG btw, but I did find this huge exchange of info that I haven’t seen before from either side

Is the interpretation for this commentor Ciwg right, feels more like someone describing Hannibal’s extraordinary genius if anything. (Get it, cuz bro literally included Hannibal as an analogy 😭🤣)

Image quotes “
To get into the system as a diabetic, Michael had to provide medical records prior to his incarceration, which he accounted for it lmao, you CANT just walk into a max security prison and say "I have diabetes" to get shots.
Online and IRL, although not specific in the show, the
the DOC (Department of Corrections) verifies history, )or whatever company does that in prison break for inmates.
. Michael literally forged his medical history during his months of preparation.

The first test Sara performs isn't a even a diagnosis test to see if he has it (the prison already thinks he does based on his file) if you watched the show, it's a routine check to see how he is responding to the prison's insulin.

  1. Michael accounted for low sugar and is actually being smart
    Michael knows that stress, prison food, and a new schedule affect glucose levels by a fuck ton. By appearing to have a bad reaction (very common BY THE WAY, in real life) specifically for Michael the unstable levels in the first week, he creates a reason for Sara to pay more attention to him and see him more frequently. (Which Michael stated himself that he would)
    Also if Michael had shown up with perfect diabetic numbers on day one, it looks incredibly textbook, which literally goes against the narrative for MS. By having an irregular test initially, he creates a medical problem for Sara to solve, building their relationship and rapport and making his eventual "stabilization" via PUgnac look like medical progress, which id use this to increase Scofield’s social integration cognition and engineering massively, but your interpretation makes him retarded which I would say is complete Zfucking rubbish.

  2. He “did rush it” because he was cooked what kind of fucking shit is that.
    It was actually cuz michael couldn't bring PUGnac into the prison himself (body cavities searches, etc, whatever they do for security reasons)
    His plan always relied on C-Note (the "Pharmacist")., not an invincibility anti feat BTW in concurrence to everything stated
    He had to wait until he was inside, establish a rapport with the kitchen/laundry staff as this stated earlier, and identify cnote before he could actually physically obtain the blocker.
    He knew he would have to improvise and wing, for the first 24–48 hours until he could secure his supply

  3. He defo manipulated Sara, this is also congfirmed both ways in the series

Michael acts suprised when Sara when she tells him the results is an inccredible damn feat. Michael has lli btw, above PJ
If he acted like he knew the test would be weird, he’d look crazy fucking sus (reference to Hannibal manipulation methodology)

By acting surprised, he forces Sara to take the be a leader as the doctor, making her feel protective of him. This is basically the fortitude of his strategy to win her over emotionally (which ultimately becomes the most important part of the escape, via leaving the door handle open as thus stated for his contingencies )

Essentially, Michael’s plans are designed with contingencies, like, ALWAYS, he always has one. He didn't need the first test to be perfect, he just needed to stay in the infirmary long enough to get the PUGnac. As long as he wasn't kicked out of the infirmary program on the first day, the plan was still on perfect track, hence NOT an invincibility anti feat

Michael didn't forget he wasn't diabetic, crazy for you to say that, he planned this pretty well, since he entered with forged papers, purposefully played the "unstable patient" kinda like Will Graham lowk, to build a relationship with Sara, and timed his PUGnac acquisition with the health risks of prisons. His suprise you stated was a performance and complete act to maintain his cover.”

Anyways if this is true, then he’s t1 above PJ (oh wait he already is)

u/Ok-Cranberry-2185 — 23 days ago