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Seriously, could L (composite) really change the world?

Seriously, could L (composite) really change the world?

In other words, how much could L change the world?

Imagine L appears in our world. No one knows anything about him. (Let's suppose Death Note never existed, or the plot is completely different, eliminating L and everything related to him and introducing a completely different character, That doesn't matter).

Let's suppose he arrives with no influence, aiming to change the world, save as many lives as possible, and ensure the greatest benefit for society.

How would he change the world? We know he's very knowledgeable about advanced economics and the stock market, so he could easily build influence. Now, let's suppose he has several objectives:

- Guarantee education, healthcare, housing, and basic resources for as many people as possible.

- Stop as many armed conflicts as possible (the most difficult).

- Support sustainable energy and the environment.

- Support healthcare development.

- Support general technological innovation.

- Lift as many people as possible out of poverty.

- Guarantee economic growth and decent working conditions.

- Support the end of inequality and misinformation.

- Stop anyone who opposes these objectives. So, I ask: Could he significantly change and improve the quality of life worldwide? Or would he end up dismembered, in a plastic bag abandoned on some Caribbean island? To what extent could he achieve change?

u/LizardKingTMOTK — 9 hours ago

Niu Youdao (ch 1000) vs BEATRICE

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Intel concepts - Niu Youdao

EI - Beatrice

SI - Niu Youdao

Tactical prowess - Niu Youdao

Reasoning - Beatrice

Thinking - Beatrice

Strategy - Niu Youdao

Planning - Niu youdao

Deception - Niu Youdao

Manipulation - Niu Youdao

Sensory - Niu Youdao

Foresight - Niu Youdao

Overall Niu Youdao Mid diffs

u/eternalreader1123 — 5 hours ago

Could your semi-realistic GOAT, in Denji’s position (and technically with the same life as him), sense Makima’s manipulations and her plan before she manages to kill Power or take control of Aki?

u/ThroatSpirited1493 — 10 hours ago

Juan (The Apex Paradox V1-2) vs Connor (pudding's OC)

These two OCs are obviously not mine and I'd like to say thanks to the people who actually write them for me to scale

Anyways, I'll try and explain a little as I go

FSIQ: Juan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (PSI, WMI, VSI, VCI), Connor (, FRI) (Juan has busted CPI from calculating billions of chess moves so I can't see any OC taking FSIQ from him)

EQ: Connor>> (EP, EU, EE), Juan (EM)

SQ: Connor>>> (takes all except social engineering)

AC: Juan>= (The fact that he didn't seem to be surprised by attackers at the start of the story shows good stress tolerance and the chess game between him and Roshi shows good cognitive discipline and perserverance), Connor (Bro cut off his own limb on purpose so I think he takes mental fortitude)

Adaptability: Juan> (Connor adapting to his new environment, while Juan adapts to pretty much everything; proverty, the paradox chessgame, etc)

Foresight: CGEW, Connor (prediction), Juan (anticipation)

Thinking: Juan>> (Connor takes holistic but that's about it)

Reasoning: Connor> (same reason as ToM)

Scheming: Connor> (I'm using methodology here so since Connor's feats are more well explained, he takes scheming. I would say Juan takes complexity and contigencies tho)

Deception: Connor> (Juan takes misdirection arguably and definitely info control)

Manipulation: Connor>>> (direct+emotional: manipulating Nora, indirect: manipulating Daisy to take down Sylveon; Juan probably takes mass manipulation)

ToM: Connor> (profiling Sylveon and deducing Sylveon's motive+scheme)

Countering+trap evasion: Connor >>> (Sylveon counterscheme)

FS: Juan>>>

NFS: Connor>>>

Cat and mouse: Connor>

Overall: Connor wins mid diff but if we take all the statements in Apex Paradox literally, then Juan no diffs 😭

Also, Connor's feats are just explained more; Juan might scale higher for some people but I just prefer feats that are shown that's all (and also I haven't seen volume 3 so that might have been a handicap for Juan)

Also, for Connor, there are a bunch of docs pudding sent me, so ask him for the docs if you want to read Connor's schemes for yourself

u/ConversationSea1684 — 10 hours ago
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A Dance of Demons Strategy - Qiu Hua - Cat and Mouse arc - 18LoH

Sorry if the text is kinda non understandable for non 18 loh readers, this really needs context. Pics unrelated

The Dance of Demons Strategy - Qiu Hua

Situation

Qiu Hua arrives with the cats at the 10 min mark. He notices the maneuvers of Lin Xuan, the mice and Qiu Yinong. Thus he grasps upon the most important element of this web of schemes - Qiu Yinong

Strategic Premises

He knows Qiu Yinong has the Wheel of Time ability, and as a cat it will be impossible for cats to lose because she can constantly rewind time and never let the mice reach their 120 min countdown for clearance.

Thus, the aim of the mice will be to let Qiu Yinong clear the game as fast as possible. And Qiu Yinong will comply with the mice, as her teammate Chen Ran is also a mouse.

Thus he deduces Layer 1 of the mice’s plan. Waiting at the first floor in visible places to let Qiu Yinong escape first without letting other cats escape. They also need to wait at Floor 1 to make sure the cat and mice aren't deceived by any Fake Cats, after Lin Xuan has already been exposed.

Thus Premise 1 : All Mice want to make Qiu Yinong clear as fast as possible Premise 2 : All the Mice except Lin Xuan should be at Floor 1

Now with this premise in mind, he devices the most efficient strategy to let the cats win.

He also knows Lin Xuan’s Space skills and Chen Ran’s Eternal Kingdom partially. He also knows Lin Xuan would also deduce the overt scheme, so he is able to deduce Lin Xuan’s scheme, which are the 3rd and 4th layers of the Cat and Mouse scheme.

Thus Premise 3 : Lin Xuan disturbing arrangements [will be explained in Lin Xuan’s section]. This Premise exists because Lin Xuan knows the overt scheme of Qiu Hua

Premise 4 : Elevator usage will occur due to premise 3

Premise 5 : the mice decieving the cats sent to guard for their strategies

Objectives

Overt Objective : Make all the cats win as fast as possible

Hidden Objectives : Qiu Hua’s actual aim isn’t just to let the cats win. He wants to

Eliminate the low intelligence cats that might interfere in subsequent chambers Eliminate Shu Renjun Eliminate other intelligent mice too

To achieve these hidden objectives he actively helps the other mice to complete their layers of planning

Initial Strategy - Overt Objective [The Second Layer of Cat and Mouse]

  1. Establish a set of Future Lies for the cats to cooperate on.
  2. Keep a cat monitoring the Mice on the first floor. If the mice try to move, the cat can just announce “You are a mouse” to freeze the player as per rules. Also jam the elevator in Floor 2, to make it even more difficult for the mice to escape supervision
  3. The other players will search through Floors 2 to 18, memorising every object in every room, but this round of seeing and memorising should be superficial

Resource Allocation : By the time this strategy will start, 10 mins would have already passed. Thus all the remaining 5 mice have to be touched in these 110 mins to prevent them from clearing. This is just an approx calculation, and Qiu Hua knows Mice appeared x minutes before cats, thus the time they may have is less.

110 / 5 = 22 mins. And these 22 mins can be used to study those 17 floors Thus 22 / 17 = 1.3 mins (approx). Removing 0.3 mins for climbing stairs, there is approx 1 min to search each floor. Everyone has to be together while searching through these floors.

Now the more efficient method would be to have each pair search a floor, one to guard the hallway while the other searches the rooms. But this can make it easy for the mice to act as fake cats. The Cats have to be near each other to deter mice infiltration.

  1. After searching the 18 Floors, the search starts again at the 2nd Floor while one of the cats replaces the cat keeping watch of the Floor 1 mice. The replaced cat can then touch a mouse and clear the level.

  2. The touched mouse will also be found upstairs, which can be touched by another cat to clear the level. The search will still continue to the 18 Floors and start again at Floor 2

  3. Thus just after 3 rounds of searching the entire building, all cats will have enough memory to find any transformed mice. The constant clearance by the safe guarding cats and touching the mice that have to travel above due to the mice being prohibited in lower floors would enable all the cats to clear easily after just 3 rounds / 66 mins of the game.

Now this strategy is highly efficient in cornering the mice, requiring from 66 to near 90 mins for all cats to clear, given that no external interference happens. It will disable the ability of mice to disguise as Fake Cats, or even hide in any floor other than Floor 1, making their movements predictable.

Now Qiu Hua knows if he can strategise this, the mice will also deduce the same strategy.

So Qiu Hua tries foreseeing the schemes of other mice and cats, thus starts including some exploitable loopholes and hints in his strategy, to achieve the hidden Objectives

Manipulating with Initial Strategy [The Sixth Layer of Cat and Mouse]

  1. Make others think of the within which one search is to be completed as 24 mins. Amidst a high stakes situation, make everyone wrongly calculate that the remaining 5 cats have 120 mins remaining when it's less than 110 mins.

Thus he says

"In this way, our search speed will be very fast. We just need to complete the search of the entire building within 24 minutes."

When the Fitness Blogger asks why 24 mins, he doesn’t tell the reason. This is to make dumb 3 stars into violating the Future lie accidentally. This can be observed in how he frames the Future Lies to be said.

  1. He clues Qiu Yinong to the second loophole. He mentions

"Whoever opens the last room on the Eighteenth Layer first goes down to the First Floor.”

But while framing the future lie, he conveniently leaves that part out. This is to clue in to Qiu Yinong that her escape should happen in the last room of Eighteenth Floor. This is just one of several clues he specifically leaves for Qiu Yinong for her to clear first.

This is also make it easier for Lin Xuan and Gao Lan to disguise as Qiu Yinong, according to their 3rd and 4th layer of their plans [His dialogues are audible at the First Floor]

It should be noted that Qiu Hua knows Lin Xuan’s skills, so he has already predicted that Lin Xuan will space transfer Qiu Yinong to let her clear. He also deduces that Chen Ran will use his Eternal Kingdom to block Fitness Blogger’s Rampage skill.

  1. Another key move he makes for Qiu Yinong to deduce the escape plan is to word his plans in such a way that Qiu Yinong will deduce the hidden variables. This also serves another function, to put psychological pressure on Fitness Blogger

“We don't need to search too carefully, just remember the scene."

If further deductions were made on Qiu Hua’s plan, it would inevitably lead to one of the two results

One: When the cats are searching, if they do not search carefully, and if they cannot catch any mice. Two: When the cats are searching, if they can catch all the mice on the floors above the Second Floor.

The first result: If they cannot catch any mice, then only the cats guarding the First Floor will clear the secret chamber in advance, which means five cats will clear the secret chamber early. [1 cat already cleared before the entire thing starts]

And the final result will be that upstairs, from the Second to the Eighteenth Floor, a total of six mice and five cats searching for mice will be hidden.

The second result: That is, in every round of searching, if all the mice upstairs are caught, then the outcome will be: the entire building only needs to be searched three times, and the mice will inevitably lose.

Now the first result means the first five cats clearing the game are 3 stars, to prevent them from interfering in the late game showdown between highly intelligent 4 and 5 star players.

Do note that Qiu Hua doesn't know Chen Ran can also dispel skills and skill-created items, thus he thinks leaving weaker 3 star players to guard the mice and exit the game early is safe, because they have sunglasses to protect them against No Distance in the early game .

Thus 5 3-stars would leave the game early, but there are 7 3-star players in total, and since the cats will protect Qiu Yinong, the Fitness Blogger will alone remain as a discarded piece of Shu Renjun. The Fitness Blogger knew he was a discarded piece since before entering the instance and he also performs poorly in intelligence as compared to Qiu Hua, which Qiu Hua also indirectly points out to Fitness Blogger.

Thus the first variable will drive Fitness Blogger into a corner, making him want to clear the game the fastest. But Qiu Hua and others will block Fitness Blogger from touching Lin Xuan, which will compel him to use his skill to try escape.

Under skill usage the environment becomes pitch black, and this dark cover would help Lin Xuan replace Qiu Yinong.

  1. The first Future Lie: The cats remaining on the First Floor cannot touch the controlled mice in advance; they must only touch the mice when another cat takes over for them, or when 24 minutes have passed.

The second Future Lie: The players remaining on the First Floor cannot touch the mice midway while going downstairs

As explained above, even though Qiu Hua said in plan that the one searching the last room must go down, the future lies don't include that.

And through the First Future Lie, even if the cats are killed/ deceived and blackmailed by Mice in Floor 1, the other cats can’t go to support to not violate the Future Lie. Thus this Future Lie creates an Information Asymmetry for the better execution of Layer 5 of Cat and Mouse Scheme

  1. Through the wording and the second result discussed above, he manipulates the remaining cats into thinking that Qiu Yinong is actually not important, since her wheel of time can be blocked from usage by Eternal Kingdom anyways.

Thus the other cats are manipulated by Qiu Hua into thinking that Qiu Yinong is bait for the mice. This makes them not pay attention to Qiu Yinong, thus making the identity swap deception of Lin Xuan and Gao Lan easy to execute.

  1. Qiu Hua also hides the elevator display conveniently when the others are searching the floor. Thus he also covers up Gao Lan for the Layer 4 of Cat and Mouse Scheme.

Through this plan Qiu Hua is able to control the movements and actions of both the Cats and Mice, until Gao Lan, under Evening Breeze’s instruction, breaks the scheme. Thus he implements a Dance of Demons, where the strong prey upon the weak and each other while Qiu Hua stays ahead of all

Read ongoing doc for better readability

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1brJcgB80jlddNpi44vMfjtv-dJHOAHAsJvgBiTT91mY/edit?usp=drivesdk

u/Simply_Amazing_1610 — 14 hours ago

can Ayanokoji solve and survive every Ted-ed riddle?

basically he will take the place the main character of the riddles or situations he must his way though and here rules

1-no pause like in the where you can pause while thinking abouth the soluction, so it would actually put him in the test.

2-he is this situacion not just video in those situacions

so can he solve all?

u/Hairy-Friendship-422 — 13 hours ago

The Lind L Tailor trap is overrated and L has done feats way better

The reason why im saying this, trying to be as objective of a light AND L glazer as i can, is because of two things.

  1. The results of the trap
  2. Lights reaction to the trap

Firstly the results of the trap. Although it narrowed down Kiras location to one of 300 million people in Japan and revealed the limits of his power, Light already knows the death note is somewhat limited but light HIMSELF doesnt think he’s limited. L however, did this infront of every police officer in japan, willing to sacrifice any lives and basically shows that anyone with their name and face public who defies kira will die. Which only makes most police literally resign from the kira case later.

Light reacts to the trap very oddly to some people, but it makes sense as to why he reacted like this.

When L did the brilliant “i am L” play, when light gets home he is FURIOUS, ANGRY, SWEATING, hands against his head screaming “DAMN IT HE GOT ME.” When L does the Lind L Tailor trap, Light and him do their little “i will hunt you down and eliminate you, i am justice” dynamic. Light after the Lind L Tailor trap only feels more motivated because he immediately sees the flaw in this trap.

We know this because literally in the next episode, light exploits the flaw by revealing some of the powers of the death note to cause mass distrust between L and the Police. Light continues and forces L to reveal his face because of the unfairness of L to the police. “L doesnt have to show his name or face but we do when we oppose kira” is what the cops think. The death note needs a name AND a face to kill and by episode 6 Light pretty much already has L’s face.

Literally one of the detectives say verbatim “it seemed impressive in the moment but…” and went on to explain the police’s motivation to distrust L.

So if the trap only motivated Light even more and allowed him to exploit its weakness causing him to already have 50% of what he needs to kill L a few episodes into the show, what do you think the narrative is trying to portray especially when other plays by L have caused light to react much fiercer?

With that being said L psychologically profiling kira, the “I’m L,” and the note trap, all showcase L’s brilliance far more than the Lind L Tailor trap. Not to mention he tried something of the same concept with the 1500 fbi agents but light saw through it immediately cause he’s not falling for the same trick twice

Side note: Light continues to kill in Japan to bring L closer to place his headquarters in japan when L lowkey couldve js kept doing it from england until light REALLY pushed him

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u/ItsDefinetelyNotOne — 20 hours ago

Complied outsmarting situations and scenarios list

SITUATIONS

The Fixed Situation

The Non-Fixed Situation

The Cat and Mouse Chase Situation

  • as the cat
  • as the rat

Real Life Situations

  • social
  • political
  • IRL examples (overall)

Miscellaneous Section

^(These situations are often not included, or there is confusion about their roles because of their surface level overlap with common outsmarting situations, despite being highly complex and entirely different)

The Mafia/Werewolf Situations

  • as mafia/werewolf
  • as a normal player or with special roles

(Are Mafia/Werewolf situations really different from C&M ? What do you think? Should Mafia/Werewolf count under Cat and Mouse or not?)

The Heist Situations

  • as thief/impostor
  • as guard/manager/investigator

The Escape Room Situations

The *War Situation (Campaign)

  • micro
  • macro
  • direct & indirect
  • proxy
  • optics

* - About controlling alliances and opposition, while managing morale in chaotic environments with 3 or more active parties that have enough influence in unpredictable situations, not always in the literal military sense. Not to be confused with NFS entirely.i

SCENARIOS

The difference between scenarios and situations in terms of outsmarting is that scenarios are added, while situations are already present. Scenarios are special premises. Situations are settings. (correct me if i am wrong )

  • Switch Up / Role Reverse
  • Keeping the Secret / Identity in the Dark
  • Symmetric / Asymmetric Information
  • Supernatural / Uncommon Mystery Investigations (often used as red herrings and distractions)

MOST COMMON IN X / GAUNTLET

  • The Kira Case (Death Note)
  • The Tomodachi Game
  • The ANHS
  • The Liar Game
  • The Surpassing Leader Games (aka Usogui Gauntlet)
  • The Red John Case
  • The Nameless Monster Case
  • The Third Trial (aka Kannade Case)
  • The Danganronpa Games

Suggest more Gauntlet / in X That Should Be Used More in matchups

Write it in the comments

mine - fluixon conspiracy

u/Similar_Incident8433 — 18 hours ago

The Smartest Fictional Characters Playing Werewolf

I just thought of something.

What if we took the smartest characters from different universes—but removed any broken abilities like omniscience or supernatural powers—and made them play a game of Werewolf (Mafia)?

One of them is secretly the wolf, and everyone else has to figure out who it is.

Characters like Aizen, L, Light, Ayanokoji, Fang Yuan, Klein, etc.

Who do you think would win?

Or better yet, choose one character to be the wolf, while all the others have to expose them.

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u/jeremieesekodi — 16 hours ago

The brilliant mind of L Lawliet

This is my theory and understanding on L, similar to many uniquely mine. My own process and understanding of not only SCD but my debating skills culminated into my favourite smart character, for you all to use, debunk, and enjoy, so please. Read with care and argue with fun.

L Lawliet acting as a stabiliser and manager of crime, this theory denotes L's ability to stablise and understand the broad and vast system of criminology and crime as an abstract concept and how he approaches it, using understanding of psychology and analytical process to solve crimes. Use this as a precursor to my death document and scaling of L.

L shows the ability as a child not only to understand the relations between the stock market but also to relations of international crimes and politicians, the amount of subtext, context, and seemingly miniscule variables L would have to analytically account for are nothing short of immeasurable — L would have to counter and predict these variables and act accordingly finding a process to each individual case, person and crime. Movies L shows a feat similar to this, using his knowledge on crime compiling it and making bar charts and graphs based off of this, and using it to correctly draw up theorems and useful logica frameworks to analyse and compare the methodology of killing and nature of a supernatural object like the death note.

Please follow these frameworks (improve and debunk if you wish)

L will analyse->

A crimes, nature, methodology, and draw up a profile based on what would naturally or logically follow this crime and compare and compile information on it to analyse and further solve it.

L will account for thousands of variables over the years, being able to draw up schemes and analysis for each scenario and understand over time being able to stabilise and understand the mind of a criminal and the ecosystem of the criminal underworld.

L has to have a good to vast knowledge on the moral, philosophical, and political, societal, and emotional nature's of these crimes. This must be true as lacking even one piece of knowledge defeats the other premises brought up.

C1:

Over the years of solving crimes, dealing with political and societal issues, and moral dilemmas that inevitably be drawn up within crime L has acted as a stabiliser and has became able to draw up schemes or at very least methodically understand and infer the motivations and abstract nature of crime within the world of death note.

C2:

L's understanding of the human mind has allowed to pinpoint the autonomy and philosophical outlook that criminals and layman would take upon crime and life, allowing L to able to use his preexisting knowledge to apply a thought and process to each situation that may occur essentially allowing L to draw multiple conclusions and strategise accordingly. "Are you saying L is invincible or has the best strategy in SCD?" NO. I'm saying L's modality and method of response to an action or cause and effect is nothing short of high tier, his cognitive functions and flexibility allow him to operate on an analytical and deductive many characters simply cannot match.

Accepting L's antifeats and losses. No character is perfect, and that is why SCD is beautiful. This isn't just a love letter to L but to the community as well. This analysis would place L as an obvious high tier, but he still isn't perfect. I took a small break to focus on lifting. But I'll probably be back with more analysis for everyone. As said, the movies document is up next.

Back to L's emotional autonomy and response to situations in mass in a real-life situation and world; in other words, L's ability to gauge and read a situation with clarity and clear logical ability to think up a strong and reasonable strategy or response. We have L reacting to movies Light's plan. Context: Light and shiori have been dating for years, Light has genuine love and emotion for her, and clearly shows care for her cited by the cast and L himself, yet when Shiori is killed by Naomi Misora. L sees through the scheme and pinpoints the modality. After the bus hijacking and when L noticed something as miniscule as Raye Iwamatsu shifting his head to the train, he pieced it together. Light somehow had access to Misori's name and set the scheme up.

Being able to manipulate the situation into which Light would lose his girlfriend and gain the ability to join the task force and potentially grow closer to L, L had seen through the set-up, execution and conclusion of a strategy, the key main steps in any logical process. Simply by watching and observing.

Although shocked once he had learnt about shinigami, he adjusted his reasoning to accept the existence of the spiritual and metaphysical, being able to reason and come up with appropriate conclusion and reasoning to bring himself closer to the truth, being able to adjust his scope of understanding and reasoning in accordance to his situation to adapt and accept different values of truth. Even if it forces him to accept the logically impossible.

In conclusion, L Lawliet is undoubtedly a high tier, with his flowers making him deserve respect. Under my theory and scaling, I have taken like him being above certain high tiers and verses as well. My goal here was to provide a sound method and a digestible way to understand L's ability and approach to thinking under sound reasoning and classical logic using conclusions and premises.

u/Usoguisolos — 14 hours ago

W scd character❤️

Hearth of baku madarne

Good ol Memories of ep15 light yagami

Emptathy of young sheldon

Sympathy of judge holden

Friends of chapter 88 Yuuchi Katagari

And goal of good ol palaptine and friend combined ❤️

We need more like this character ❤️

u/Epik70 — 19 hours ago

Which Character would be the smartest if all their processes where explained?

Who'd be the undisputed Top 1 SCD Character if their feats had a logical process?

u/No_Woodpecker_1801 — 21 hours ago

House or Kingpin?

I had planned on making a short analysis on House’s scheme against Tritter for a while now but i’ve been watching Daredevil and i realised Fisk’s scheme to frame daredevil also deserves analysis. I’ll probably only commit to one of them for now and the other will be pushed for months possibly so which one would you be interested in seeing first?

u/VisitUsual8507 — 23 hours ago

Does Dexter in season 3 got better feats than his season 2 counterpart?

I just finished season 2 of dexter and I enjoyed it so far even with dexter overall plot armor of doom in the final stage of it.

This is not random post #10, I want to save that for another day and its going to be 2 v 2 so I won't drag with filler for every 1 v 1.

u/Apart-Computer5633 — 19 hours ago