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Ryuen vs suzune in emotional quotient and adversity capacity

Suzune (s)

Ryuen (r)

EMOTIONAL ENGAGEMENT (s) Class D upgrade,manabu fake persona.

EMOTIONAL REALIZATION(s) fake manabu persona destruction y1v11.5.kushida transformation y2v5/6

EMOTIONAL MANAGEMENTboth can manager their emotions really well early y1 suzune would have Lost EM tò ryuen because of her vulnerabilità and arrogance Who made her easily readable.but current suzune via both y2 and some y1 feats takes It comfortabely

Via y1v3when She was suck.

fever comes with muscle aches, shivering, headache, loss of appetite and general weakness. It's one thing being alone but being 24/7 in a group, including when eating, sleeping at night, and having to do activities walking and fetching stuff is a different deal. Letting no one notice anything wrong is fairly impressive.

Sidenote, child bodies handle fevers better than adults, higher ones too. That's why we used to be able to run and shit without caring whereas a grown ass man can be out cold for a full day because of a mild fever.

EMOTIONAL FACILITATION not close (s) via class D upgrade.

EMOTIONAL PERCEPTION.(S)

Ayanokoji inner happiness and humanity y1v7,y2v5.perception of sakura presence in y1v3.

Per eption of kushida hatred y1v1

EMOTIONAL UNDERSTANDING(s) profiling of koji (y1v2)

Profiling of kushida (y1v1) profiling of hirata (y1v3) profiling of the letter sender aka takuya (y2v4)

I can elaborate the eq points in the comments sections

MENTAL FORTITUDE (r) ryuen backstory narrative and the fact that he Always risks expulsion for what he does.

DETERMINATION/MOTIVATION (s) not close suzune determination of reaching Class A and becoming a Better are more capable Person Is Way stringer motivation tò Simply want tò have fun and tò humiliate your enemies even if ryuen Deep down does care about his Class he made no effort in trying tò inpriove them even when he actually could like in early y1 where suzune Class was even accademically inferior tò them.

Suzune recieved betrayals constant humiliation,a childish and unstrutful Class with only some students Who actually follow her for Class A while the rest doesnt care and doesnt hesutate tò sabotare her when they get the chance.she also was able tò turn the Person Who hated her the most in One of her best allies and cc.

INPULSE MANAGEMENT (s)

COMPUSURE (s)

PAIN TOLERANCE (s) cgew

STREES TOLERANCE (s)

I Also explain this points in the comment section.

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 22 hours ago

Most ovverated scd low/mid tier characters in my opinion.

Canon Near Is only broken in rsn and even has a big antifeats in that.like not understanding that mikami behaving inpulsively by killing Someone in public would be a trap since It completely contradicts his profile or him and would also backfire Kira if It wasnt planned.

His last Plan could have failed without Mello he underestimated light at the point that he toughts that his only strategy was coming there and tell mikami tò kill everyone

How can people Stil scale him around nagumo or takuya Is beyond me let the tsubaki rival First get pass the Class Leaders(spoiler he gets stomped by all of them)

Already talked about honami here

I already talked about honami in another post but in case you didn't see It.

Her feats are often exxagerated and enbelished by the author of her doc.they use even the smallest and most insignifact things tò make up new feat for examples her supposedely acting depressed in y2v7,y2v8 or her manipulating nagumo and cc.

She Is also really glazed by the cote reddit community for no actual reason wich can be seen as One of the causes.currently the only reason that would make her above the other Two Leaders, Is ryuen and suzune mental states not her being way superior tò them especialy when they both gap her horribely in half Major categories.

When y2v12 and y2v12.5 came out people started glazing the shi out of her and started tò glaze every actions She would make from then One even if some of them are really basic.

She Is broken in planning but mid in strategy.

Her manipulation Is not as broken and Is also exxagerated.for examples they use ryuen bad felling during his conversation with honami in y2v9 as a proff that honami was phsichologically exploiting ryuen trauma and was using his fear for koji as a facade at the point that She completely immiteted koji personality so tò instal fear in ryuen thing that would mean that honami knows alot about the x arc despite deducing only few things.

They alsi like tò make many headcanons around her.

Like in y2v10 She supposedely could have destroyed suzune Class but decided tò spare them even if suzune Class kept countering and predicting their choices both before and After they Alliance got revealed.

Or that She manipulated all suzune classmates including suzune herself via her rumor mills .

Evidence ?? Idk.

The only victim of her rumor mills in suzune Class that i recall Is kei.

Plus there Is the whole debate around the promised night Who Is AN eccellent trap but koji wasnt a complete victim subjugated by honami all the time like her fans want tò describe It .he was pretty much aware and forsee almost everthing that happened that night maybe except the bombayah .

I generelly put her in par with other Leaders but i don't see any big gap that would put her even a tier above the others .

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 2 days ago

Suzune vs ryuen in manipulation?

Direct suzune (sudo,kushida addomestication)

Indirect suzune (fake Negotiation y2v6,kirkyuin trial)

Mass suzune (y1,y2 class poll exams)

Logical suzune (paper snuffle)

Emotional suzune(kushida addomestication)

Phsicholpgical suzune (kirkyuin trial)

Fear inducement ryuen. (Class c subjugation)

Demoralizzation ryuen.

Manip methods cgew.

Triangulation suzune (y2v6 fake Negotiation)

Persuasion suzune (Class polls)

Negotiation suzune (y2v6)

Mind control suzune (kushida,sudo addomestication)

Overall suzune low mid diffs.

If you want clarification i can explain in the comments.

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 12 days ago

Top 3 most ovverated cote characters in scd

Number 3

Kirkyuin.

Not only She Is featless but also got victimized badly by kiriyama but somehow not only She Always manages tò be put in top 15 but Also gets often scaled above suzune,tsubaki ,and kiriyama.

The hell??

Number 2.

This all comes from dax.

People Paint her as this underrated character Who Is broken in deception when She Is almost featless in that.

She has feats Who fall only in some sub cats.

Acting skills,concealment,and indirect manip.

Only the First Two are impressive thanks tò her boku mode.

Plus her supposed great scheme in y2v4 despite being mid its not even hers😭.

They try tò liquid everthing as tsukishiro Simply manipulating her while She literally followed his orders.

In y3v2 in her monologues tsukishiro talks about wich persona use with kiyotaka how exactly mix Lies with thruths and how tò enter his circles,how koji would percieve her , proving that during uie She was following his orders and executing his Plan.

A possible counterargument tò this would be ryuen's x arc and suzune's camera strategy but its not the case since with horikita and kakeru koji gave dispersed clues here and there that they gathered and used tò make their plans.

While in nanase case She Simply followed tsuki rules meaning that at best She would have a good strategy execution and that's It.

And its not finished here apparently y3v4 nanase outsmarts suzune.

How??

In y3v4 nanase has only few scenes where She tries tò convince ichika and later there Is a narrative statement where She tries tò expell ishigami but he counters her and expells One of her classmates.

How does this make her scale above suzune?

Idk apparently according tò dax in this volume She shows more "versality"

And this opinion Is getting widespread in cote scd tiktok.

Number 1 honami.

Her feats are often exxagerated and enbelished by the author of her doc.they use even the smallest and most insignifact things tò make up new feat for examples her supposedely acting depressed in y2v7,y2v8 or her manipulating nagumo and cc.

She Is also really glazed by the cote reddit community for no actual reason wich can be seen as One of the causes.currently the only reason that would make her above the other Two Leaders, Is ryuen and suzune mental states not her being way superior tò them especialy when they both gap her horribely in half Major categories.

When y2v12 and y2v12.5 came out people started glazing the shi out of her and started tò glaze every actions She would make from then One even if some of them are really basic.

She Is broken in planning but mid in strategy.

Her manipulation Is not as broken and Is also exxagerated.for examples they use ryuen bad felling during his conversation with honami in y2v9 as a proff that honami was phsichologically exploiting ryuen trauma and was using his fear for koji as a facade at the point that She completely immiteted koji personality so tò instal fear in ryuen thing that would mean that honami knows alot about the x arc despite deducing only few things.

They alsi like tò make many headcanons around her.

Like in y2v10 She supposedely could have destroyed suzune Class but decided tò spare them even if suzune Class kept countering and predicting their choices both before and After they Alliance got revealed.

Or that She manipulated all suzune classmates including suzune herself via her rumor mills .

Evidence ?? Idk.

The only victim of her rumor mills in suzune Class that i recall Is kei.

Plus there Is the whole debate around the promised night Who Is AN eccellent trap but koji wasnt a complete victim subjugated by honami all the time like her fans want tò describe It .he was pretty much aware and forsee almost everthing that happened that night maybe except the bombayah .

I generelly put her in par with other Leaders but i don't see any big gap that would put her even a tier above the others .

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 14 days ago

Manabu horikita(narrative)vs suzune.

Fsiq all tò manabu

EM manabu

Ee suzune

Er suzune

EP suzune

EU manabu

Ef suzune

Overall FSEQ suzune

Leadership m

Social skills suzune

Compusure manabu

Social intuition manabu

Social awareness suzune

Charisma and aura manabu

Overall sq manabu

Stress tolerance manabu

Perseverance suzune

Determination and motivation tò suzune.

Compusure manabu.

Impulse management suzune

Mental fortitude manabu.

Overall AC manabu.

Deductive suzune

Inductive suzune

Abductive suzune

Abstract suzune

Overall suzune

THINKING

Applicative s

Logical s

Linear s

Non Linear s

Strategic M

Convergent s

Divergent s

Creativity s

Overall suzune

All deception tò suzune.

All manipulation tò suzune

All planning suzune

All strategy manabu

Counteraction manabu

Countering manabu

Adaptability manabu .

Sensory suzune

PHSICOLOGY manabu

Info systems suzune

Resistances manabu

Scenario proficiency manabu

Judjement manabu

Overall manabu mid High diffs (+)

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 15 days ago

Hot take?

I genuily do not understand people Who have honami mid or no low diffing suzune despite all the categories in wich suzune gaps her badly.like strategy,fsiq,AC,reasoning,thinking,sensory,phsichology,miscellaneos,methods and cc

I already discussed how y2v12 and y2v10 are not valid situation tò use for both of them here https://www.reddit.com/r/IntelligenceScaling/s/xC5fpy0OHK.

I think that overall they are quite close and i can see hona being scaled above considering her current Better mental state compared tò suzune One but i can't see the Difficulty lower than High regardless of Who you have above.

I Also have my problems with the ichinose document since many interpretations look like they came out of nowhere and seem like the author wants tò keep enbelisshing every single action She makes.

But anyway suzune counters cause of Better versality and also the fact that She Is really well rounded.

Ryuen and honami have their strongest categories but Also have Cats where they stagnate

Like honami Is quite broken in planning but Is horrible in strategy and ryuen Is the opposite but at least since the x arc Is partly a Plan then he gets saved a bit .

Suzune also has her best Cats but doesnt stagnate in any category in comparison tò the others cats She Is good in.

Like She Is equally good both in planning and strategy and other categories

This Is why i think that She Is more well rounded and once She fixes her current mental state She could scale way higher than She scales currently.

Plus suzune often looses once She lacks really inportant info.for examples She loses in y2v10 First because unlike the other Leaders Who found out a volume prior suzune never saw ichinose new nature so her falling for her trick totaly makes sense Just like ryuen in y2v9 and arisu in y2v1 even if unlike them She never underestimated ichinose since y1.

And second because of hashimoto sudden betrayal.plus the presence of a Spy in her Class.

Whats your opinion on this matchup? and elaborate your take.

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 16 days ago

Analysis on suzune's kiyotaka self exposure tactic by ganve(y1v11.5,y2v2)

During the spring break, Suzune and Kiyotaka made a promise to compete against each other to see who could achieve the higher score in a written exam subject.

If Kiyotaka won, Suzune would join the Student Council. If Suzune won, Kiyotaka would, without holding anything back, use the abilities he had been hiding over the past year for the benefit of her class.

It had already been announced that even students with an “A” rating in Academic Ability would struggle to score above 90 points. With an exam of such difficulty, a draw was virtually impossible—neither of them could realistically achieve a perfect score. Suzune considered this exam the ideal stage for their competition.

To ensure there would be no excuses, she made a point of reminding Kiyotaka that he had to study properly.

On the day of the exam, the chosen subject was mathematics. Suzune scored 87 points, an impressive result considering that even an A-ranked student like Yukimura barely managed to reach 84 points. The exam was so demanding that the 80-point threshold itself posed a major barrier for most students, regardless of the subject.

After all, approximately 10% of the exam covered concepts beyond the first-year curriculum, not to mention the inherent difficulty of the problems themselves. No one in the class managed to score above 90 in any subject— except for Kiyotaka, who achieved a perfect 100 points in mathematics, winning the bet beyond any doubt.

Suzune had given everything she had and was satisfied with her result, especially since she didn’t even understand what the final questions were about—topics such as measure theory and Lebesgue integrals.

The class was in an uproar. Ayanokōji Kiyotaka had achieved a perfect score on an exam designed to be impossible for second-year students like them. No one else had managed anything close. Not Sakayanagi. Not Ichinose. Not Suzune.

Yukimura, proud of his strong academic performance and one of Kiyotaka’s closest peers, was the most confused of all. Karuizawa attempted to offer a few vague explanations, but none of them convinced him. With several girls blindly backing Kei, the conversation quickly escalated into an open argument.

Hasebe, Miyake, Maezono, Shinohara, Ike, Miyamoto, Mikami, and others joined in with their own theories: that he had used a method similar to last year’s exams, that he was a mathematical prodigy who had been hiding his abilities, or even that the exam itself contained flaws.

Hirata tried to calm the situation by suggesting that those with club activities should leave to avoid being late to their extracurriculars, but the tension did not subside.

It was in that atmosphere that Suzune decided to intervene when Kiyotaka returned to the classroom.

Neither Yukimura nor any other second-year student had achieved a perfect score on that exam. So how was it possible that Ayanokōji had done it?

Suzune voiced the question aloud. Although she directed it at Yukimura, it was obvious that everyone was thinking the same thing.

Yukimura did not avoid answering. He admitted that the exam had been chaotic even for him. The final questions were, without exaggeration, impossible. And yet, Ayanokōji had solved them with no apparent difficulty. What was most unsettling was not just the result, but his attitude: he did not boast, did not explain anything, showed no pride at all. He simply remained silent.

That only made everything seem even more suspicious.

Eventually, Yukimura put into words what many were afraid to think: maybe he had cheated. Maybe he had known the answers beforehand.

Suzune did not dodge the accusation. She confronted it directly. She admitted that, from an outside perspective, anyone would think the same. If she did not know the truth, she would be suspicious as well. But she firmly stated that this was not the case.

To explain Kiyotaka’s perfect score, she said, they had to go back to the spring of the previous year, when everyone had just arrived at the school.

She reminded them that she and Kiyotaka had been seatmates, and that from very early on, she had realized he was exceptional academically—more so than herself.

Yukimura objected immediately. According to the official records, Kiyotaka had always been average. A C rating in academic ability. Nothing remarkable.

Suzune replied that this, too, had been part of a strategy.

From the very beginning, Kiyotaka had possessed the ability to achieve perfect scores—at least in mathematics. Knowing this, she had asked him to deliberately hold back during the initial exams. Not to harm the class, but to maintain a low profile. A trump card. Insurance for the future. That was how his academic ability came to be evaluated as a C.

To many, that explanation had holes. If Kiyotaka had performed at his best from the start, the class would have earned more points. Yukimura could not understand the logic behind hiding such talent.

Suzune pointed out that if he had stood out from April onward, figures like Sakayanagi, Ichinose, or Ryūen would have set their sights on him immediately. And at this school, drawing too much attention was dangerous. He would have been labeled an obstacle—a potential enemy. It would not have been strange for someone to attempt to expel him before he became a larger problem.

She reminded them of the “Class Poll.” Even while being completely average, Kiyotaka had been at risk of expulsion. Had he been a dominant figure from the beginning, the strategies used against him would have been far more precise—and far more lethal.

That led to the key question: if hiding his strength had been so important before, why reveal it now?

Suzune explained that the situation had changed. The class was no longer the same. They had grown as a group—stronger, more united, more capable of making correct decisions. Now, they could protect their own.

She used Sudō as an example. Before, he had been a burden. Now, he had improved both academically and physically to the point of surpassing even Yukimura in the overall evaluation. In the past, no one could have protected him. Now, everyone would do so without hesitation.

The same applied to Kiyotaka. If someone attempted to target him now, the entire class could respond.

Even so, doubts lingered. Was Kiyotaka only exceptional in mathematics? Or was he still hiding something else?

Suzune did not answer. She knew she could not dispel all the suspicions of the emotionally charged Class D through logic alone, so she left space for Hirata to step in.

Calmly, he explained that “an unknown enemy is more dangerous than one who is fully revealed.” If even their own classmates did not know the true extent of Kiyotaka’s abilities, the other classes would have no way to accurately assess him. Any investigation would be futile.

Suzune nodded. Since attention was inevitable, the best course was to take advantage of it—to turn Kiyotaka into an enigma. An undefined threat.

Kei redirected the focus toward Suzune, praising her intelligence and reinforcing the narrative that everything had been done for the sake of the class. Without needing instructions, they understood the role they needed to play.

Gradually, the distrust began to dissipate. Even Yukimura stopped pressing the issue.

Thanks to Suzune’s improvisation, the groundwork had been laid. From this point forward, even if Kiyotaka revealed more of his true strength, it could always be explained as something he had been hiding from the very beginning.

(Kiyotaka's perfect smokescreen (Y1V3-Y2V12.5): This time it was the deliberately false reconstruction of Kiyotaka's "academic past" to protect his anonymity and social stability. Before analyzing the technique, it's key to understand the objective:

It wasn't to "convince them of the truth."

It wasn't to completely clear suspicions.

It was to redirect attention.

To create an acceptable explanation.

To protect Kiyotaka's "peaceful life."

To avoid future internal investigations.

Suzune doesn't tell the truth, but neither does she lie blatantly. She constructs a hybrid narrative:

She starts with real facts:

He was her seatmate.

He's good at math.

The evaluation system exists.

She introduces a central false element:

That she deliberately asked him to hide his talent and that his C grade at the OAA was a conscious strategic decision.

This is advanced misdirection, because she is not inventing something impossible, but rearranging the causality of real facts. The erroneous conclusion induced in the class leads to an incorrect but functional conclusion: “Ayanokōji was always good, but only at math, and he hid that as a defensive strategy against Suzune.” This deflects three dangerous lines of thought:

“He cheated”

“He’s a complete academic monster”

“He’s an immediate threat”

And replaces them with:

“He’s talented, but limited”

“He acted for the good of the class”

“He’s an asset that must be protected”

This was achieved by adapting to the group’s emotional state:

The class is agitated → a cold explanation won’t do

Yukimura is confused → he’s spoken to with academic logic

Others are doubtful → they’re given an emotional narrative (protection, unity)

Furthermore:

He doesn’t monopolize the scene

He lets Hirata and Kei reinforce the narrative

He turns the lie into social consensus

This transforms individual misdirection into collective misdirection.

It doesn't seek to eliminate all doubts. Suzune understands something crucial:

Suzune doesn't need to convince 100%, she just needs to defuse the threat.

She deliberately leaves questions open:

"Is he hiding something else?"

"How far does his ability extend?"

With this, Suzune seeks to:

Turn Kiyotaka into a tolerated enigma.

An active target of protection.

Prevent future problems.

And any future display of talent:

Will not raise suspicion.

Will be integrated into the already established narrative.

The class already has an official history.

That's long-term planning.

Sopistry,gaslighting,Misdirection,Mass manip)

(This part Is AN interpretation,meant tò fix this weird plot hole by using what novels implies and says directly.)

""In volume 11.5 Suzune asked Kiyotaka if he truly wanted to reach Class A. His affirmative response didn’t convince her. Throughout the year, based on everything she had witnessed and experienced with him, she doubted his true intentions. Kiyotaka continued to claim superiority, but from Suzune’s perspective, he had contributed little to the class since the island exam. He had saved her, yes, but he had never actively used his abilities to push the class toward Class A.

That’s why she questioned the extent of his abilities—especially since his only known major victory had been more due to Ryuuen’s carelessness than a true display of overwhelming skill.

There was also the fact that her brother acknowledged Kiyotaka’s talent. Suzune had never seen the full extent of Kiyotaka’s capabilities—until he lost to Sakayanagi. That’s why she wanted to test him herself.

Determined to gauge his true potential, she proposed a bet based on academic performance.

Throughout the year, Suzune’s test scores had consistently been higher than Kiyotaka’s. While men often had an advantage in physical ability, when it came to strategy and tactics, she believed she could gain the upper hand.

She had fought admirably against Ibuki despite being in poor condition, and she had also seen Kiyotaka face her brother. Based on those experiences, she confidently believed she could defeat him in an exam.

So, using a weak threat, she challenged him—to see who would achieve a higher score in the upcoming test. That way, she would uncover his true ability""

Gurl be so for real right now🤥🤥

Somethings Is fishy..🧐🧐

Suzune is perfectly aware of Kiyotaka's academic abilities. It's something she's known since volume 1,

Something he revealed again about his knowledge, even making jokes about it in volume 6.

Suzune was willing to place Miyake and Hasebe under Kiyotaka's tutelage. A position of responsibility she had only entrusted to Hirata and Yukimura (and Kushida, but for Suzune's plan), people who were in the top percentile... No, who were always at the top of the class. That meant that, in Suzune's eyes, Kiyotaka was on the same level as them.

She mentioned on several occasions that Kiyotaka himself held back a lot during exams. Even if Kiyotaka denied holding back, Suzune never believed him.

So, Suzune, to recognize the depth of Kiyotaka's abilities, didn't need to administer such a test. Was that really her goal?

Suzune herself states it in the same chapter. Her goal was to free him from his restrictions so he wouldn't have any excuse to hold back during the ANHS especial exams. And if not completely removing his shackles, then at least forcing him to remain at the top of the class and not just average.

However, there was a problem that Kiyotaka himself acknowledged. If he revealed his abilities out of nowhere, he could become the target of accusations from his classmates. Therefore, he couldn't make an excessive revelation, but rather a gradual increase with a coherent explanation of how his strength grew so much.

In this way, Kiyotaka was freed from his constraints, allowing him to use his abilities more openly and increasing the class's power, just as she had wanted.

They made a bet: if Kiyotaka won, Suzune would join the Student Council. And if Suzune won, Kiyotaka would, without hesitation, use the abilities he had kept hidden for the past year for the benefit of his class.

Suzune makes it clear that what she wanted was for Kiyotaka to use his strength in class instead of plotting from the shadows. However, she already achieves that simply by forcing him to demonstrate his abilities, thus giving him a framework for future actions.

It means that Suzune was guaranteed to win, regardless of the outcome.

Even while they were talking in volume 11.5, it can be seen that Suzune openly provokes him to prove that he is more than just talk.

The mockery worked and led her to suggest the bet that got them into that situation.

That's why I say it's strange. This seemingly foolish move, intended only to showcase Suzune's arrogance (strange because it faded throughout the year), allowed her to accomplish every single one of her objectives.

So, am I saying that Suzune manipulated Kiyotaka?

COTE is in the first person; almost everything we know is from his perspective. This means that if he's deceived in any way, it will never be mentioned in his monologue, so the readers wouldn't know either. Kiyotaka greatly underestimates Suzune, to the point that Suzune's acting can fool him, as shown in volume 6.

And it's not as if he had completely fooled him. Kiyotaka himself realizes that something strange was going on:

He even mentions in volume Y2V2 that Suzune exceeded his expectations and that he was pleased with how she handled the situation. Kiyotaka, in volume 11.5, was already aware of Tsukishiro's threat and knew he would have to work hard if he didn't want to be expelled, which meant proving his abilities. It's possible that Kiyotaka took advantage of Suzune's intentions to reveal himself, since he didn't see it as a threat at the time, but rather as something that benefited him. This is something he confirms in that same conversation.

So it's not exactly that she deceived or manipulated him, but rather that she took advantage of Suzune's strategy to reveal her abilities, just as she wanted.

This struck Suzune as odd, but she accepted it because it suited her. However, it still left her with doubts about Kiyotaka's intentions and his past—something that would haunt her in the future.

Wouldn't that make sense?

In Summary: Suzune has broken off her friendly relations with Class B because she wants to reach Class A, and the point difference isn't as high as it once was, which would make them enemies.

This means she needs to make the most of her inner strengths. Kiyotaka is her greatest inner strength, but he's restricted by chains that limit his abilities, called "Normal Student."

Suzune must break those chains so Kiyotaka can use his abilities freely. So she provokes him into a bet: if he loses, he'll be forced to work. This benefits her, because to win, he must openly display his abilities.

This way, even if she loses the bet, she ensures that the chains known as "Normal Student" are broken, thus achieving her goal. Something that ultimately worked.

(Deception, Strategy, Thinking, Setting Trap)

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 21 days ago
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Analysis on suzune's event selection exam strategy and abduction of the relationship between ayanokoji and arisu by ganve(y1v11)

Each class had to select one student as the commander, who would be responsible for choosing the participants for each event and could intervene in them, making them the de facto leader.

The commander of the winning class would receive private points, while the commander of the losing class would be expelled. If the class failed to decide on a commander, the school would randomly assign one. Once selected, the commander could not be replaced without a legitimate reason.

Each class had to submit ten events along with their rules. The events needed to be well-known enough for all students to understand, such as rock-paper-scissors, poker, or chess. For written exams or similar events, the school would create the questions to ensure fairness. Additionally, the rules had to prevent the possibility of a tie.

The ten events had to be unique, relatively short, and could not be repeated within the same class. Once registered, they could not be withdrawn.

Each event was worth 30 class points: the winning class gained 30 points, while the losing class lost 30. The class that won the most events would be declared the overall winner and receive an additional 100 points. Thus, the maximum number of points a class could earn in this exam was 310, while the most they could lose was 210. If a losing class dropped to zero points during the exam, the school would temporarily cover the loss to transfer them to the winning class. While the losing class would appear to have zero points, they would actually be in negative territory, and any future points earned would automatically go toward repaying the debt.

Listening to the rules, Suzune deduced that five out of the ten events were mere bluffs designed to mislead the opponent, given that the events would be randomly selected by a machine. Sae neither confirmed nor denied this theory.

Suzune continued analyzing the system, questioning details of the exam, to which Sae responded normally. Through this, she uncovered several hidden rules, such as:

If a class failed to submit its events on time, the school would choose them instead.

Although each class had to register ten events, only five would be considered official, while the other five served as decoys.

Out of the ten official events, the school would randomly select seven for the competition, ensuring each class could present five of its own.

Each event could have between one and twenty participants, including substitutes. Only two events could have more than ten participants.

Students could only participate in one event unless all their classmates had already participated, in which case they could compete more than once.

The commanders of each class year had to meet for a lottery draw. The winner could choose which class to compete against, forming the matchups.

After the Q&A session, Sae left the classroom. Having analyzed the exam, Suzune walked to the podium. Along the way, she took a picture of the board with the written rules and sent it to Kiyotaka.

While she understood most of the rules, something about the exam still felt off. This lingering doubt would later become the loophole Tsukishiro would exploit to sabotage the competition. Unconsciously, Suzune had already sensed the possibility.

Sudou stood up and took the floor. He wanted to know why Kiyotaka had received 42 praise points in the previous exam. His question sparked curiosity among the students, who cast doubtful glances at Kiyotaka.

Before the pressure could escalate, Suzune stepped in and took control of the conversation. Ike argued that he wanted to hear the explanation directly from Kiyotaka, but Suzune firmly refused, countering that “even he didn’t know the reason himself”.

That was a calculated lie. Suzune used it to diffuse the growing pressure on Kiyotaka.

She explained that it was all part of Sakayanagi’s plan. To support her claim, she pointed out that Yamauchi had admitted Sakayanagi would give him the praise points from Class A. However, behind the scenes, what she had actually done was transfer the points to Kiyotaka instead.

At this, Sudou asked, "Why Kiyotaka?"

Suzune turned the question back on him, forcing Sudou to think. He considered the possibility that Kiyotaka was an exceptional student, but Suzune immediately dismissed the idea, belittling him as “just someone who runs fast.” Furthermore, she reasoned that if Kiyotaka were truly extraordinary, Sakayanagi would never have granted him a protection point. This way, she not only safeguarded Kiyotaka’s peaceful life but also steered the class away from any suspicions about his true capabilities.

Suzune reduced the entire situation to a simple conclusion: Sakayanagi had orchestrated everything to expel Yamauchi for personal reasons, and Kiyotaka’s involvement was nothing more than a coincidence.

Sudou still seemed doubtful. He knew Kiyotaka was one of the few people Suzune considered a friend, so it was natural for her to defend him. However, Suzune countered his doubts with logic, explaining that she was only defending Kiyotaka because she had been the main reason for Yamauchi’s expulsion—after all, she was the one who had exposed the facts.

This situation created an opportunity. Kiyotaka could step forward as the commander, ensuring no one else had to risk expulsion while also clearing his own name.

However, Shinohara opposed the idea, arguing that appointing Kiyotaka as commander was equivalent to throwing the exam away. Suzune saw the logic in her reasoning and turned to the class, asking if anyone else was willing to take the risk of expulsion. Since Kiyotaka had volunteered, that was all that was needed.

This had been Suzune’s plan all along. The real reason she had defended Kiyotaka was to manipulate the situation and push him into this position—forcing him to become the commander, no matter what.

In her eyes, it was better for him to take the position rather than a mediocre student. Moreover, this way, she could protect all her classmates.

To convince the class of Kiyotaka’s candidacy, she argued that they could carefully plan ahead of the exam and provide him with clear instructions on how to act. This way, his performance would be solid, as he would only need to follow the strategy devised by the class.

After making her point, Suzune declared the first meeting adjourned due to lack of time.

During lunch, the class decided to gather to discuss the final exam. Koenji and Hirata were absent. In Hirata’s absence, Suzune took the lead. To ensure that everyone understood the details of the exam and that no doubts remained, she made copies of the pamphlet provided by Sae and distributed them among her classmates.

That day, after class, the opponent selection took place. Suzune planned to avoid risks by choosing Class D as their rival. Not only did they lack a leader, but they were the safest option. However, between Class B and Class A, the votes did not go in her favor, and they ended up facing Class A.

Koenji, on the other hand, remained in the meeting, urging Suzune to wrap things up quickly. Sudou, irritated by his attitude, was about to confront him, but Suzune intervened, not taking Koenji’s words too seriously.

Ike was the first to raise a concern. He believed that many classmates might not even get a chance to participate, as the seven events wouldn’t require a large number of people. If they selected challenges that only involved a handful of skilled students, most of the class would be left with nothing to do.

In reality, Ike was looking for an excuse to avoid future meetings and training sessions. Suzune understood his stance—he wasn’t the only one who wanted to take it easy. For many, this would be mentally exhausting and would cut into their free time.

However, Suzune disagreed with this mindset. The number of participants would depend on the rules set by the opposing class. For example, if one of the chosen events was volleyball, the standard format would be a six-player team. However, what if the rules allowed for adjustments, such as setting a thirty-minute time limit and requiring player rotations every ten minutes?

With just that one rule, at least half the class would be forced to participate. Anticipating such scenarios, Suzune wanted to ensure everyone was prepared for the exam.

After clarifying her point, she proceeded with her plan and assigned everyone a task: to think of events they excelled at, whether individually or in teams, and submit their proposals the next day. With this, he not only sought to find possible events to confront Class A with, but also to investigate in depth what each of his classmates specialized in.

One of the five selected events had to be a one-on-one match. It was highly likely that each class would choose an event in which they had absolute confidence in winning. However, from another perspective, losing such an event could be devastating. Given that, students with unique and unbeatable skills were highly valuable in this strategy.

Suzune sought Koenji’s confirmation, but he merely laughed, stating he would only attend this one meeting. Seizing the opportunity, Suzune skillfully drew him into the conversation, manipulating him into proclaiming, through his own arrogance, that he could win any event placed before him. This effectively cornered him—if he failed, it would only increase distrust toward him, making him a prime target for future special exams, similar to the "Class Poll" in the previous volume.

Koenji noticed Suzune’s subtle threats but dismissed them. However, Suzune fully expected results from him, even if she was aware that he most likely would do nothing.

Despite these interruptions, the class discussion progressed smoothly. They identified several events where they had natural advantages: Sudou excelled in basketball, Onodera was a strong swimmer, and Miyake had experience in archery. Meanwhile, the academically inclined students, such as Yukimura and Suzune herself, listed subjects where they felt they could achieve high scores.

To ensure there were no spies in the hallway, Suzune asked Kiyotaka for confirmation, and his response made logical sense. With that assurance, the meeting continued uninterrupted.

Suzune, maintaining her cold and logical approach, analyzed each proposal and pointed out their weaknesses without hesitation. A prime example was Sudou’s idea—he wanted to include a basketball event where he would face off against a Class A member in a 1v1 match. Suzune immediately saw the flaws in his reasoning and rejected the idea. Sudou was a vital physical asset for the class, so it would be more strategic to assign the 1v1 opportunity to another student.

The events selected by Class A were revealed. The list included:

To Suzune’s surprise, there were more physical events than expected. However, she suspected they were bluffs rather than the actual events Class A intended to focus on. Additionally, they had included chess and GO—games that, while widely known, were rarely played by most students.

Another detail that caught her attention was the minimal involvement required from the commander in each event. To Suzune, this was a clear indication of Class A’s confidence in their superiority.

So far, in every test, Class A has consistently achieved the highest average score among all classes. Because of this, they decided to include a large number of participants in their strategic events. This effectively forced the competition to revolve around academic ability, limiting the commander’s influence.

Anticipating Class A’s possible choices, Suzune carefully selected the most suitable students for each event, ensuring they were well-prepared for any scenario.

Later suzune invinted koji and gave him the analyzed data of the class. As commander, this was basic information Kiyotaka needed to know, so he didn’t object.

The ten events the C class had chosen were English, basketball, archery, swimming, tennis, table tennis, typing, football, piano, and rock-paper-scissors.

Rock-Paper-Scissors had been released as a last-ditch effort in case things didn't look good for them.

Suzune proposed herself as the piano contestant and considers she has a 60% chance of victory, percentage not high enough to be considered for the 10 that were going to be sent (Anime)

Later, Kiyotaka suggested that Suzune play chess for the C class. Suzune saw the merit in this idea and agreed.

Halfway through the meal, Suzune took the opportunity to ask him for another favor. She wanted him to confirm his participation in the "Class Poll," something she was almost sure about. Kiyotaka had influenced her brother to guide Suzune, but she realized that she wouldn’t get anything else from him.

The next day, Hirata returned as good as new, something that surprised Suzune. She accepted his apologies without issue.

The exam was about to begin, and Suzune left everything in Kiyotaka’s hands, giving him complete freedom in his decisions.

The first test was for Class C:

Suzune's strategy was as follows:

Use Makida Susumu, Minami Setsuya, Ike Kanji, Hondō Ryotarō, and Onodera Kayano.

Makida would be the team’s ace. According to Sudō, as long as Makida practiced enough, he should be skilled enough to pass the exam. Additionally, while Onodera’s true specialty was swimming, her basketball skills didn’t seem too bad. Therefore, Suzune decided that choosing her would be better for the team than picking a boy with no experience in the sport.

The Strategy was to bring Sudō when things started getting tough, using the power of the commander.

Sudō was a powerhouse in basketball, there was no one in the year who could beat him. Sakayanagi, knowing this, tried to get his teammates to frustrate Sudō, but it didn’t work. Suzune had been training him for months so that, in such situations, he wouldn’t lose control.

Suzune had practically exposed her strategy, predicting how they could stop her and preparing everything in advance to ensure they couldn’t defeat her.

In practice, the match was close. Class C was leading 12-11. Kiyotaka called Sudō while they still had the advantage. As planned, Sakayanagi used a tactic to throw Sudō off, which led to a score of 15-17 in favor of Class A. However, to prove himself in front of Suzune, Sudō regained his composure and turned the game around with a final score of 24-16 in favor of Class C, just as Suzune had anticipated.

The next event was:

Another event from Class C. In academics, Class A had a significant advantage. Suzune completely avoided that type of event and chose one that wouldn’t be influenced by such skills.

Suzune’s strategy was to use Sotomura for this match, as it was his specialty. Being a 1v1 battle, she gave him the entire field to face the Class A opponent. Additionally, she tried to limit the commander’s ability to intervene in the event as much as possible. The strategy was to let “The Professor” handle it on his own, without giving Sakayanagi too many opportunities to interfere.

In the end, Sotomura’s talent shone through over Class A, just as Suzune had hoped..

The next event is

The exam largely depended on luck, but Suzune had predicted that at least two written tests would appear.

Suzune had outlined two different strategies in the notebooks she had prepared, in case two written tests were chosen. The first strategy was to aim for victories in both tests by evenly distributing the capable students between them. The second option was to deliberately lose one of them and concentrate all resources on the other to secure a win.

Kiyotaka chose the second option, which resulted in a victory for Class A.

The next event was:

In this event, Kiyotaka decided to follow Suzune's strategy and used the heavy hitters from Class C to ensure a win. With the information Suzune provided, he used: Hirata Yōsuke, Yukimura Teruhiko, Ishikura Kayoko, Wang Mei-Yu, Azuma Sana, Kushida Kikyō, and Nishimura Ryūko.

Yukimura secured first place, and Kiyotaka assisted Nishimura with a question. However, Class A still won due to their superior average.

The fifth event was:

Another event from Class A.

Suzune's strategy for this event was to use Kōenji Rokusuke and Matsushita Chiaki. She recommended putting headphones on Matsushita, as she knew that Kōenji wouldn’t listen to anyone.

The reason Suzune chose Kōenji was that the event didn't rely on the class with the highest overall score. The victory would go to the student from the class who finished in first place. There was a chance that Kōenji could meet the expectations and win. But, in case he didn’t take the event seriously, Matsushita would be there as backup. Matsushita had a quick mind for math, which is why the plan had always been to use her in the math exam or in events like Flash Mental Arithmetic.

In the end, they were defeated, and Kōenji showed that he could have won if he had wanted to.

The sixth event was archery. Here, Miyake dominated the competition, just as Suzune had planned (Literally the same reasoning she did with Sotomura)

Kiyotaka chose Suzune, who had been learning chess for a week.

Suzune only had 30 minutes to play, giving Kiyotaka a significant advantage during that time.

Suzune recognized Hashimoto's offensive play style, analyzing that with every move, the pieces on the board went through a myriad of changes. He often surrounded his pieces, and at first glance, it seemed like he was cornering her. However, each move Hashimoto made aimed to slowly invade.

Although Hashimoto was constantly on the offensive at the start of the game, Suzune handled it calmly, avoiding situations where one might reflexively sacrifice a piece to defend.

As the game progressed, Suzune gradually gained the advantage. They were nearing the halfway point, and Suzune's victory was slowly becoming clear. The difference was evident: Suzune had the upper hand. This was a display of skill that far exceeded what she had demonstrated during training sessions.

In that week, Suzune came to understand the complexity and fun of chess.

This was Suzune's first time in front of a chessboard, and the decisions she made would decide the game's outcome and, therefore, her class's victory. It was a game that defined 130 class points

The time it takes to become good at chess depends on dedication and the skill level one wants to reach.

The usual and average is to gain 100 points in a few months for players with 800-1000 elo. Players with a rating of 1600 to 2000 may take 4 years or more to gain 100 points. To master any skill, 10,000 hours of practice are needed. GMs practice 20 hours per week on average, which equals 500 weeks or about 10 years.

Hashimoto had been playing chess for months. Among Class A and the school's elite, he was the best and Sakayanagi's personal student, a genius, a great master who had been playing for over 8 years.

This would put him above 1000 elo at the very least and a maximum of 1500 elo for being an elite. However, Suzune managed to surpass him completely in a week, achieving an elo of 1100-1600 without ever touching a chess piece.

Seeing this, Sakayanagi intervened and faced Suzune.

Every time Suzune made a move, Sakayanagi responded in less than five seconds, always with calculated moves targeting Suzune's weaknesses.

The opportunity Suzune had created for herself vanished in the blink of an eye. At that point, she only had a minimal advantage left. Suzune's hand stopped, and Kiyotaka entered the game. Suzune acknowledged that her match seemed pathetic compared to the showdown between Sakayanagi and Kiyotaka.

In the end, Kiyotaka ended up losing.

Even though many think the entire exam is a showdown between Sakayanagi and Kiyotaka, in reality that only begins with the chess event.

After the meeting, Suzune stands behind Kiyotaka and prevents him from turning around to avoid him having a view of her face or expressions. Suzune sought out Kiyotaka to confront him about his decision to challenge Class A.

He tried to justify it by saying he believed it was the best option, but Suzune didn’t accept that excuse.

Analyzing the situation, she deduced that Kiyotaka had predicted Ryuuen’s return and had used Class B as a sacrificial pawn. However, she doubted that was the whole truth. During the class vote, Kiyotaka secured first place after receiving numerous votes from Class A—just as she had deducted in the previous volume. Connecting the dots, she realized that the confrontation had been premeditated. Either Kiyotaka or Sakayanagi wanted a battle against the other, and Kiyotaka had received a protection point to ensure there were no consequences if he lost.

Suzune had noticed the relationship between Sakayanagi and Kiyotaka, as well as Sakayanagi’s background, but she set it aside due to a lack of concrete evidence.

She then asked Kiyotaka if he truly wanted to reach Class A. His affirmative response didn’t convince her. Throughout the year, based on everything she had witnessed and experienced with him, she doubted his true intentions. Kiyotaka continued to claim superiority, but from Suzune’s perspective, he had contributed little to the class since the island exam. He had saved her, yes, but he had never actively used his abilities to push the class toward Class A.

That’s why she questioned the extent of his abilities—especially since his only known major victory had been more due to Ryuuen’s carelessness than a true display of overwhelming skill.

There was also the fact that her brother acknowledged Kiyotaka’s talent. Suzune had never seen the full extent of Kiyotaka’s capabilities—until he lost to Sakayanagi. That’s why she wanted to test him herself.

Determined to gauge his true potential, she proposed a bet based on academic performance.

Throughout the year, Suzune’s test scores had consistently been higher than Kiyotaka’s. While men often had an advantage in physical ability, when it came to strategy and tactics, she believed she could gain the upper hand.

She had fought admirably against Ibuki despite being in poor condition, and she had also seen Kiyotaka face her brother. Based on those experiences, she confidently believed she could defeat him in an exam.

So, using a weak threat, she challenged him—to see who would achieve a higher score in the upcoming test. That way, she would uncover his true ability. (Next Y2V2)

This Will be adressed in another analysis post.

At that point, she only had a minimal advantage left. Suzune's hand stopped, and Kiyotaka entered the game. Suzune acknowledged that her match seemed pathetic compared to the showdown between Sakayanagi and Kiyotaka.

In the end, Kiyotaka ended up losing.

Even though many think the entire exam is a showdown between Sakayanagi and Kiyotaka, in reality that only begins with the chess event.

This means that Suzune was able to secure a 4-3 victory against the strongest class of the entire year, both mentally and physically, by using the weakest class without cheating. The only reason they were defeated was an internal threat that she (and nobody) couldn't control (Koenji) and an external threat that can do whatever it wants, like Tsukishiro. This means that her victory was assured without two uncontrollable and unpredictable factors.

After the meeting, Suzune stands behind Kiyotaka and prevents him from turning around to avoid him having a view of her face or expressions. Suzune sought out Kiyotaka to confront him about his decision to challenge Class A.

He tried to justify it by saying he believed it was the best option, but Suzune didn’t accept that excuse.

Analyzing the situation, she deduced that Kiyotaka had predicted Ryuuen’s return and had used Class B as a sacrificial pawn. However, she doubted that was the whole truth. During the class vote, Kiyotaka secured first place after receiving numerous votes from Class A—just as she had deducted in the previous volume. Connecting the dots, she realized that the confrontation had been premeditated. Either Kiyotaka or Sakayanagi wanted a battle against the other, and Kiyotaka had received a protection point to ensure there were no consequences if he lost.

Suzune had noticed the relationship between Sakayanagi and Kiyotaka, as well as Sakayanagi’s background, but she set it aside due to a lack of concrete evidence.

She then asked Kiyotaka if he truly wanted to reach Class A. His affirmative response didn’t convince her. Throughout the year, based on everything she had witnessed and experienced with him, she doubted his true intentions. Kiyotaka continued to claim superiority, but from Suzune’s perspective, he had contributed little to the class since the island exam. He had saved her, yes, but he had never actively used his abilities to push the class toward Class A.

That’s why she questioned the extent of his abilities—especially since his only known major victory had been more due to Ryuuen’s carelessness than a true display of overwhelming skill.

There was also the fact that her brother acknowledged Kiyotaka’s talent. Suzune had never seen the full extent of Kiyotaka’s capabilities—until he lost to Sakayanagi. That’s why she wanted to test him herself.

Determined to gauge his true potential, she proposed a bet based on academic performance.

Throughout the year, Suzune’s test scores had consistently been higher than Kiyotaka’s. While men often had an advantage in physical ability, when it came to strategy and tactics, she believed she could gain the upper hand.

She had fought admirably against Ibuki despite being in poor condition, and she had also seen Kiyotaka face her brother. Based on those experiences, she confidently believed she could defeat him in an exam.

So, using a weak threat, she challenged him—to see who would achieve a higher score in the upcoming test. That way, she would uncover his true ability. (Next Y2V2)

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 22 days ago

What If death note was set in ancient china??

Lets immagine light and l during the han dynasty.

I chose this period because its full of palace plots and war stories like the famous romance of the three kingdoms.

Lets immagine light as the son of a advisors of the emperor(its a perfect Place ,because It helps light being aware of how everthing Is going in the Kingdom)

And l as a typical detective .

With the istruments of the time period and the lack of mo

dern technology.

How would their Battle look like?,

And Who would win in such scenario?

Obviusly the DN remains but now without TV or phones you have tò see directly face tò face the Person that you want tò kill.

L' Is Way more disatvantaged than ever he can at best have spies and body guards Who follow his orders and that's It.

Whats your opinion??

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 23 days ago

Mello vs suzune in fisq,FSEQ,fsq,AC,and reasoning

Since my earlier post was so long i decided tò divide It into section and adress a ton of category One at time.

And another thing ,again my scaling Is methedeology so things like feat framework are not required.

FSIQ

Logically speaking Mello should take via his wammy house narrative.

The Wh narratives implies that the students of this istituitions are a group of smart kinds who get choosen by this facilitation.

This kids Will learn many Advancend subjects like crime and even Advancend math all this to select the One Who Will be L's sucessor.

But there Is One thing, in volume 13 ohba describes an ability that every Wh student must have "monitor hax"

Monitor hax Is the skill of being able tò process a lot of informations usually via many monitors in a short amount of time and being able tò get usufell info from them.

Ohba says that he can't immagine Mello being able tò do that meaning that besides succeding in all other subjects Mello doesn't have the skills that the Wh training requires.

Now you can argue that even with this flaws Mello could Still take It from suzune even if he Is featless in fsiq

But in methedeology scaling narrative statements Who aren't backed up by any feat and even present flaws regarding the characters are weak

And tò help my point there Is the fact that suzune has a similiar ability tò the monitor hax

I know that people Will laugh since the main cote sub succesfully turned this feat into a meme despite Stil being valid

(This Scan directly comes from the horikita document made by ganve)

The class was in AN infernal situation,everyone was panicking and the atmoshphete was so stressed

"However, Suzune felt that her flow of time was running differently. She had entered a state of pure concentration in which her own brain was running at a speed of hyper-processing never before seen. The seconds pass, slowly but continuously. The second hand of the analog clock, which seems out of place in a classroom, slows down as if it were about to stop at any moment.

This is the phenomenon of “time dilation”; it is a real psychological phenomenon. In situations of acute stress or extreme concentration, the brain increases memory density and the sampling speed of information. While a normal brain processes conscious information at around 10 bits per second, in this flow state the brain ignores external stimuli to dedicate 100% of its capacity to internal analysis.

The text shows a chain of complex reasoning (evaluation of the exam, sacrifice of points, long-term goal). In normal thinking, a complex decision usually takes about 2.5 seconds. But Suzune, being in “flow” to the point that the second hand of a clock seems to “stop,” her brain must be processing thought cycles in less than 100–200 milliseconds. This is what allows a single chronological second to feel like several seconds of deep reflection.

Identifying her own goal (“to graduate in Class A”) while analyzing the environment requires an integration of the conscious mind (slow but logical) with the subconscious mind (which processes up to 40 million bits per second).

For that reflection to occur “between seconds,” her processing speed must be at least 10 to 20 times higher than that of a person at rest, allowing subjective perception to expand significantly.

Suzune wondered how much Kushida was worth. If they fail the special exam, they will lose 350 class points. In exchange for that, if Suzune could protect Kushida, could she recover it? She did not believe it was impossible, but it would be very difficult.

Not only for Kushida, but also for Suzune. Kushida is not worth 350 class points, so she should be expelled. That is what most people would think.

So, what did Horikita Suzune want to do? Did she want to save her or get rid of her?

At that moment she focused her concentration to the maximum, transcended time, and erased any unnecessary background noise. Reaching cerebral “Overclocking.”

In a normal situation, the brain processes verbalized thoughts at a speed of about 150 words per minute. However, Horikita’s monologue occurs in the space between the “ticks” of an analog clock (less than 1 second).

Real time elapsed: Approximately 0.5 to 0.8 seconds.

Subjective time experienced: Several minutes of deep reflection.

Her brain had to accelerate its processing about 100 times above normal. To achieve this, the brain stops “talking to itself” with words and switches to pure semantic processing (relational ideas and images that do not need language to exist).

Suzune is not only thinking; she is executing a complex multivariable analysis. These are the “data packets” she processed in less than a second:

Mathematical-Strategic Analysis: Comparison of assets (-350 points vs. -100 points vs. Class A potential).

Human Asset Evaluation: Assessment of Kushida’s growth “ceiling” versus her current toxicity.

Simulation of Future Scenarios: Projection of what would happen if Ayanokouji intervenes versus what happens if she takes command and what she had to do to pass the exam.

Ethical and Leadership Introspection: Reevaluation of her own identity as a leader (“What do I, Horikita Suzune, want to do?”).

Recognition of Biases: Identification and acceptance of Ayanokouji’s superiority in order to later decide to surpass him.

And all to arrive at a single answer, a “beacon of light.” When she mentions that “a single beacon of light shone in the darkness,” she is describing a phenomenon called Insight.

Processing: Instead of a step-by-step deduction, the brain performs parallel processing. Millions of neurons fire simultaneously until the network finds the configuration that resolves all contradictions (save Kushida, keep the points, grow as a leader).

Energy consumption: A state of concentration like this triggers glucose and oxygen consumption in the prefrontal cortex. It is the mental equivalent of a racing engine reaching its RPM limits

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Scans from the light novel y2v5

"I may have seen the power of Ayanokoji-kun before anyone else in the school, and I'm not sure I'll ever forget it.

The class was like a picture of hell. At the end of the interval, the voting begins for Kushida-san, who will have the votes of the majority.

That's probably the end of this special exam. Our class will get 100 class points while making sacrifices. This will be a valuable asset for us in our quest for Class A

But... Yes, I need to sort out my situation first.

I am sure that I am in the same flow of time as everyone else, but for me, every second ticks by slowly but surely. The second hand of the analogue clock, which doesn't look like a classroom clock, is slowing down, as if it is about to stop.

On the contrary, my senses were getting sharper and sharper. What is my purpose? I asked myself.Then what will happen to me, Horikita Suzune? What will happen to the student known as Kushida Kikyo? Do you just want to help? Or do you just want to cut them down?

By concentrating my attention, I transcended time and erased any notion of extraneous sound.

Can I just leave it all to Ayanokōji-kun? No. Then think about it. What is right, what is wrong, and is there anything that only I can do?"

Is debatable wheter this feat Is also usable for CPI but at least Is definitely usable for wmi

So my reasoning Is that taking into account suzune having a similiar ability tò what the Wh training requires plus having concrete fsiq feats then in my opinion She could take It confortabely.

FSEQ

Emotional perception.

Mello best Ep feat that comes tò mind to me Is during the second invasion.after the intruders succesfully enter his hiding place.he destroys the Doors of the Building so tò limitate their escape then he blackmails them into making their captain came tò him unarmed(soichiro)when chief yagami tries tò threaten Mello with his name Mello percepts his desire tò not kill Anyone and his lack of resentment.

This looks good but its nothing compared tò suzune ep feats the First One that i recall now Is the kushida One Which Is full of misinformation.

Contrary tò popular beliefs suzune did not Remember kushida in the First months of y1v1 even After that volume She didn't Remember her corectly.

This feat consist in suzune percepting and profiling kushida during their earliest interactions in the First semester i specify the time in wich this happens cuz its later confirmed in other volumes

"I remebered her After the First semester's study group.my junior High was an enormous school with over a thousand students.i was never in the Same class as kushida-san" said horikita.i didn't know her"

In case you are not able tò download this lk

It Is basically a conversation between koji and suzune where koji ask suzune why She Is so rude tò kushida since She Just wants tò be her friend

Suzune says that(do you want tò be next a Person you hate)now we know thanks tò another Scan i Will give you and from suzune character that She doesn't hate anyone.she doesn't hate kushida She doesn't hate ryuen no one.so her saying that its quite out of her character along as if suzune wasn't personificating herself into kushida

And tò further prove that there Is this Scan

Who comes a couple of days After the First Scan and After the study group

"I need to confirm something because you said you wanted to keep cooperating with me."

Horikita looked straight at the smiling Kushida and asked.

"You hate me, don't you?"

I was wondering what she wanted to ask, but that was unexpected.

"Why do you think that?"

"You're not answering because it's true... am I right?"

"...Ahaha, you got me"

She put on her backpack and slowly lowered her hand back down. And then she faced Horikita while smiling,

"Yea. I really hate you

Here its confirmed that before that point ,suzune had already percepted kushida hatred for her

And both this scenes happen before the First semester as her monologue from y1v6 confirms.

Meaning that by the First months of y1v1 suzune had percepted kushida hatred for her without having any Memory basically no info

This also counts as EU since we can easily assume that by percepting her hatred for her She also understood kushida facade even if She May not knows exactly the reason of that double nature by that time.this Is further confirmed by the confrontation between the girls in the Same volume and also by y1v5 were suzune Is more surprised by the reason on why kushida hates her rather that the fact that She hates her and has a double nature

But in case you found this eu feat iffy then lets go by

Emotional understanding

Mello main EU feats are his understading of mikami and takada fanaticism of Kira during the takada kindapping when lidner explains him the existence of a x Kira.

Or him understading that Kira killed takimura based on the amount of advatages he had.

A similiar One Is his deductions that call's death(mello's substitute Who made the shinigami eyes exchange )was manipulated by Kira during the second invasione but that more LR.

The main suzune EU feat i Remember Is her profiling of koji in y1v2

After the end of the sudo trial and After chabs shows her kiyotaka perfect score suzune realizes tò have been manipulated all the time and her perception of koji changed.

In y1v1 She saw him as Someone Who hides his abilities cuz he was lazy and as Someone Who wanted tò make friends but in vol 2 She conects the dots and understand important thing about him.

1)he Is a machievellian being,he doesn't really care about Friends in general and see them as tools.

2)he Is a Mass of different personas,he Is a being Who Is Stil trying tò fit in and uses different personas for different scenarios tò different people

This scene comes After her encounter with chabs and when She confronts koji.

Look how koji intself Who didn't predict her understading this much tries tò misdirect her.

"Yo." I raised my hand as I greeted Horikita, but was met with an intense glare the likes of which I'd never seen from her before. She quickly returned to her neutral expression, though

"What were the results?" I asked

"You'd already know, right?" she replied.

"I'm glad to hear that. Looks like your strategy worked well."

"Hey, Ayanokouji-kun. Am I just your puppet?

"My puppet? What are you talking about?"

"Ayanokouji-kun, you brought up the idea of surveillance cameras in the classrooms. Next, you took me to the special building and made me realize that there were no cameras. Then, you guided me to the idea of inventing false evidence, so that we could parse the truth from lies. When I look back on it now, that's all I can think of

"You're overthinking it. It's just coincidence."Wait. We're not done talking, Ayanokouji-kun."

"I'm done talking" I kept going without looking back.

"You promised, right? You promised you'd help me reach Class A."

"You sort of forced me to. You helped Sudou in this case, too. Right?"

"That's not what I meant. I want to know what you're thinking."

"I'm thinking "This is annoying, and 'I don't have any motivation to do this! Stuff like that. That's what I'm thinking. Even if you took back what you said just now, Horikita, I do intend to live my life quietly. Whether we aim for Class A or whatever, that's it."

I'd hoped that answer would satisfy her, but Horikita didn't listen.

"If you really hated drawing attention, you wouldn't make all this effort to get involved. You say you're someone who 'dislikes trouble, after all. Yet you act all evasive and non-committal even while you help me. Why?"

This ones comes the day After

"Well, wouldn't it be clear to anyone who took just a moment to think?"

"Probably. Kushida-san and Ike-kun and the others haven't noticed at all, it seems. They simply believe in Sudou-kun, and want to save him from the lie for his sake and our class's sake. They don't understand the urgency of the situation."

Her remarks towards her classmates, those who'd already shared joy and sorrow together, seemed completely merciless.

"Kushida seems to understand at least a little bit, and despite that is working to save Sudou, I said.

"A little bit? So she realized it by herself, then?"

"Huh? Well, no, i

"You told her, didn't you?"

She cornered me with her words. It was like being interrogated. A little scary.

"You came up with the idea of getting the old test questions, and purchasing exam points. I can't say I'm surprised. You do seem quite cunning at times, but... I'm dissatisfied."

Those who want to someday live honestly, must sometimes be cunning, too.

"Don't keep overestimating me," I replied.

Although it wasn't my intent, Horikita laughed. However, her smile immediately faded.

"Honestly, there's so much about you that I don't understand. You're a mystery. You're the most difficult person to predict in our class. You're versatile, yet you often idle your time away. You never seem to stay still. It's as though you cannot be categorized."

"All of those are really questionable ways to describe someone. They aren't the sorts of things you'd say as praise

Emotional management

I don't think there Is any reason tò explain further Mello gets easily ragebaited and can't Hide well his emotions while suzune Is very composed all the time.

Emotional facilitation

Again overkill suzune facilitation of her classmates in y2v5 tò choose Sakura instead of kushida as a candidare of expulsion by stabilizing their hatred for kushida all this when they were really close tò expell her destroys every mello ef feat like his EF of soichiro

Emotional engagement suzune can use her determination and desire for class A and improvemt as a way tò Aspire other tò do the Same look at sudo for example in y1 and kushida in y2v6/5

Emotional realization

Her realization of her inner self in y1v11 where She discovers her true current personality and how her true personas Is AN admixiture of both her old smiley self and her manabu mimiking since both siblings share some similiar characteristic while being very different .specifically this part of her, Born from her admiration of manabu has become a part of her over the time and not something She was even before her obsession started tò show

FSQ

This the MOST debatable part and mostly depends on your scaling.via methedeology suzune should take It via her Better proccess while in other scalings like proven ability or even pure narrative scaling Mello should take via Better narratives like being able tò become a mafia boss via negotiation and cunning

Overall i give It tò suzune via her Better proccess

ADVERSITY CAPACITY

Perseverance =suzune

Horikita was obsesed with copying manabu for 9 years!! Copying his clothing style,favourite color way of talking way of behaving,favourite food and much more all this and the smallest details.

Compusure suzune no explanation Needed

Determination very close

But Mello edges cuz he was ready tò die

Mental fortitude tò Mello easily by Just considering the death Life scenario in wich he operates

Overall ac tò Mello cuz he gaps in mental fortitud

REASONING

Lets start with listing all main Mello reasoning feats

The First One Is After takimura death when he deducts that Kira was involved in that by Just thinking about how much he would have gained from that plus he started from the awareness that Kira worked with the yotsuba.

After takimura mentioned the names of the people of the task force Who worked with L ,aka Mogi matsuda and soichiro he deducts that chief yagami Is likely the one with the note since he has a higher position.

Another One Is After the First invasione and his manipulation of shido the ishigami .in orders tò convince the creature other than promising him tò give him his notebook once they found the second One.

He also has the deductions of Kira involvment in the president death since only him could found his hiding Place.

His last rsn feat Is during chapters 98/99 but this more of a theory.basically lidner tells him about near Plan and about x Kira from that he deducted near hole in his Plan and decided tò help by kindapping takada thing that would have triggered Kira and mikami (since takada was the contact between l and x Kira)into killing her and bringing his DN to the bank..he unfortunately died before his Plan was concluded but according tò this theory Who was supposedly retconned by the labb case Mello knew about takada killing him and he decided tò not do do anything because he wanted tò cause mikami mistake wich means nothing since intentional or not just kindapping takada would have triggered that.

Plus its implied that lidner was the One tò tell him about near Plan and automatically about Kira One.

For horikita reasoning you can use a lot

.Let's see: Abduced that Koji is coming to visit Sakura in V2 during the elevator scene, Deduced that Koji wo

This Is the missing part on reasoning that the text can't contain.

"Let's see: Abduced that Koji is coming to visit Sakura in V2 during the elevator scene, Deduced that Koji would make Karuizawa his ally after his weird interest with her during V4, deduced Kushida and Ryuen alliance in V5 before it got revealed to her and induced that it was almost certain the participation table was leaked, Predicted the nature of Paper Shuffle by some reasoning which helped her prepare for it, induced that after Kiyotaka seemed to make some move Ryuen stopped having interest in her or Class D, by which she knew that Ryuen now knows Koji is X but got demolished while Koji has some insurance that be won't be exposed, understood that Manabu was influenced by Koji during Class Poll, understood something special is happening between Koji and Arisu and also had suspicions that Koji's loss was unnatural, had reasoning as to why she didn't trust Hirata and predicted he has a second nature, via the previous things reasoned that Kei and Hirata broke up because of Koji, deduced that during V7.5 Koji is the one who led her brother Manabu to kinda ask her to become part of the council, predicted that Yamauchi is getting used by Arisu and that Yamauchi will be expelled, Induced the meaning of the paper in second year island exam, understood the real intent behind "someone" not letting the Unanimous Exam pass on quietly, deducing Koji's strategy to expel Takuya, deducing that Takuya was truly the one who set up the letter originally on the island that she found, shoplifting incident in Y2V9 where She was able tò deduct that kiriyama was the true culprit by Just observing his nature and the One of the partecipants of the trial and how doing so was a depressed desire for Revenge aganist nagumo a desire that every 3rd year shared. All this s feats gap Mello in every rsn category from deductive tò inductive."

You can look at my kiriyama rsn feat that i posted last day in my account

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 25 days ago
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No ryuen did not see Trough suzune in y1v6,debunk of the x contract theory by ganve.

There are some people who argue that Suzune did not deceive either Ryuen or Kiyotaka. Something I don't understand where it came from or why it's used to denigrate Suzune's performance in Paper Shuffle

Even in the Ryuen Doc, Suzune isn't denigrated for that. They only talk about how Ryuuen wanted to test Koji, but it's a fact that she won.

They claim that in the final scene, during Suzune’s fake desperation, Ryuen was acting as if he didn’t know anything in order to provoke a reaction from Kiyotaka (despite the fact that all his remarks were directed at Suzune).

"By six PM."

I checked my phone. It's just before four in the afternoon, so in other words, we only had about two hours left.O

"Kukuku.. K-kuhahaha! What the hell are you doing, Suzune!"

Ryüen had been watching the entire conversation and laughed.

The man who should have known about this from the beginning, spit out laughter at our desperate resilience.

"Aren't you already damned? The questions that you created are completely meaningless!"

"Did you instigate this? You're the one who instructed Kushida-san to turn in the questions, aren't you!?"

"Aah, I don't know. There's no way I'm gonna know about Class D, is there?"

Horikita raised her voice as she responded to Ryen's obvious lies.

This is based on the off-screen negotiation.

If you remember, Kiyotaka’s strategy in the Paper Shuffle tells us that Ryuen gave X his class’s questions after Kiyotaka informed him that Kushida’s plan had failed.

After the contract, when Suzune submits the questions, both Ryuen and Ayanokoji act as if they don’t know anything.

Because of this, people downplay and undervalue Suzune’s strategy. So I’ll put some points on the table.

Point 1

If the reason Ryuen knew in advance that Suzune was going to win is Kiyotaka, this does not diminish Suzune’s strategy. In fact, it only makes it stronger—or otherwise reflects very poorly on Ryuen. Let me explain.

If Ryuen knew beforehand what Suzune was going to do and still did nothing to change it, that is a terrible debunk for him, because it shows that Suzune completely outplayed him.

Not only because he would be entirely dependent on Kiyotaka saving him and his class with that message, but also because, even knowing what would happen, he couldn’t do anything to stop her or gain an advantage despite having over a week to prepare. That would be extremely embarrassing and completely out of character.

What’s worse?

Being outplayed without realizing it, or being outplayed while knowing you can’t do anything?

Some might defend this by saying:

“But Ryuen wanted to test Koji, he didn’t care about Suzune or class battles.”

Yes, he tested Kiyotaka—but not because he had structured his entire strategy around that. It was more like a bonus gain resulting from his supposed victory over Suzune (using his strategy with Kushida).

Not tò mention that his goal was tò make x come out by beating suzune thing that koji intself confirms in his monologue before the submission of the questions

This is reinforced by the fact that, in Ryuen’s perspective, Kiyotaka was merely a pawn of “X,” especially after the Kiyotaka vs. Manabu race. Someone not particularly important.

For him, everything is a game. Hunting "X" is fun. Ruining Kiyotaka's plans is something he'd love to do. So if he could sneak up behind Suzune and ruin her plans, he would. Because that would be the most fun thing for him.

It’s true that he doesn’t care much about class battles at this point, but he wouldn’t throw away an entire exam just to see a reaction from someone who, in his mind, is just a pawn. It's too ineffective and silly.

Before moving to the second point, let’s briefly address Ryuen’s strategy for this exam:

In this theory, it is argued that Kiyotaka sent the message several days in advance. This is supported by the fact that Karuizawa was able to plant the cheat sheet with the exam questions into Kushida’s vest.

However, this creates a problem.

During all that time, Ryuen showed no signs of knowing anything about Suzune’s plan. Not only that, but Kei didn’t plant the cheat sheet immediately after it came back from the dry cleaner, because Kushida would have noticed in that case.

The purpose of Karuizawa’s “show” at the karaoke was to determine whether Kushida only had one uniform available (the school provides two, but Kushida kept one with Kiyotaka’s fingerprints). Kiyotaka didn’t know whether she had bought more, so he used this to verify it—not to plant a cheat sheet.

That action happens later, right before the exam, after Kushida makes a mistake. This is for two reasons.

First, because Kushida is not stupid. With her body movements, she would eventually notice that there was literally a piece of paper on her chest. If she had been carrying it for a week, it would have been even more obvious. Just by taking off her blazer, it would be visible, and the plan would fail. So placing it right before the exam was necessary.

Second, as mentioned before, the deal had not been finalized at that point, and therefore Koji did not yet have the questions to plant.

However, this alone is not enough to say that Kiyotaka didn’t send the message days in advance.

"If we look at the conversation between Ryuen and Kushida, we can see that Kiyotaka gave Ryuen two options, which led to three possible outcomes.

Ryuen chose the last option—letting Suzune win by changing the exam questions. But how could he change the exam questions? By the time Suzune executed her plan, there was no time left to do that.

This simply means that there was a time gap between when he received the message and the final submission—enough time to create an entirely new set of challenging questions."

That's the argument

But that’s not actually correct.

There are two factors that invalidate this interpretation.

First:

Kushida recognized the content of the cheat sheet and referred to it as something “only she and he should know.” This means that that cheat sheet is something she recognizes from somewhere.

What is something that only he and she should know?

Obviously, the product of the secret agreement that existed between them.

This means that the cheat sheet contained the same notes Ryuen had originally given Kushida so she could defeat Suzune.

So what was changed?

It wasn’t the exam questions, it was the material Ryuen gave to Kushida.

Ryuen didn’t follow the first option Kiyotaka gave him. He followed the second one: providing Kushida with incorrect answers.

This is reinforced by Kushida’s statement that the deal with Ryuen was only finalized when Chabashira confirmed the questions.

"Like I told you. I will force Horikita to drop out no matter what i have to do. Solely for this reason, I betrayed my classmates and secretly submitted Class D's exam questions. The condition was that I'd get the questions and answers for Class C's math questions in return. If you had kept your promise, Horikita would've voluntarily withdrawn herself from school by now. And yet, you betrayed me."

"What? Are you mad about something like that?"

"Something like that? You come out ahead against Class D, and you're just going to end it with that?"

"You're fundamentally misunderstanding the situation, Kikyo. The questions you made weren't used on the exam."

"Huh? What are you talking about? I turned in the exam questions as soon as possible just as you instructed. I also confirmed everything with Chabashira-sensei. There were no mistakes."

Something that happens on the final day.

Since Ryuen learned from Kiyotaka that he wouldn’t meet that condition, he simply switched the notes.

This requires no time and fits perfectly within the timeline of the series:

Suzune makes her move → Kiyotaka informs Ryuen → Ryuen gives incorrect notes to Kushida (and Kiyotaka) → Kei plants Kiyotaka’s cheat sheet → The exam takes place

Even if I were wrong due to translation issues, it’s not like Ryuen didn’t have a secondary question bank.

Classes could submit multiple question banks to test the school’s limits and create difficult exams. Suzune does this, and as Kiyotaka states, the questions Kaneda gave Kushida were of high level so logically, Ryuen did the same.

We know from a canonical standpoint that at least Ryuuen had at least two different question banks in reserve. (One with the fake questions and answers for Kuhida and another with the real ones). Which is evidence that Kaneda used that method.

So, within those final two hours, Ryuen could easily switch the questions. There was no need for several days to create a new set, because they already had them from previous attempts.

This is also reinforced by Kinugasa's own comments in the official guide:

"Ayanokoji thought all was lost, but it was all within Horikita's plans. In fact, immediately after the final exam details were announced, Horikita instructed Chabashira to assume the authority to decide on the submission of exam questions, and to pretend to accept anyone else's answers without actually doing so.

Immediately afterward, Ayanokoji sent an anonymous email to Ryuen, proposing a deal: either "the delivery of the final questions and answers for Class C" or "a significant modification of the questions and answers that would be given to Kushida." In return, she informed Ryuen that Horikita had discovered their plans, thus implying that the agreement between Kushida and Ryuen had fallen through."

No hidden plots lol😜

The logic of the novel tells us that it wasn't like that, and the author himself says it wasn't like that. Honestly, I don't know what else to say here. The only thing that can save it is if things were lost in the translation and such a theory suddenly becomes valid.

But I just want to make one thing clear:

Whether Kiyotaka and Ryuen were deceived or not does not diminish Suzune’s plan in any way. Not at all.

Because if Kiyotaka figures it out and anticipates it, it's not a problem; it wasn't a trap set for him, his ally. It's an outsider.

And if Ryuuen finds out (not through his own means, but through Kiyotaka) and can't do anything to stop it, it would only make Suzune look better and ryuen a dumbass

She successfully achieved all of her objectives.

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 25 days ago
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Analysis on suzune's kirkyuin trial reasoning and Mass manipulation by ganve,y2v9

Suzune is perfectly aware that Nagumo and Kiyotaka have had a conflict since Y2V2, when she deduced that Nagumo was related to the pseudo–special exam intended to expel Kiyotaka, and how Kiyotaka wanted her to join the student council to keep an eye on him.

When she entered the council room and saw that Kiyotaka was already there, she knew that something had happened—something that was confirmed when she learned about their competition.

In the middle of that conversation, Kiryuuin appeared and blamed Nagumo, this due to a mistake by Kiriyama—the vice president of the council, who never makes mistakes. Something Suzune knows because she's part of the council .For Suzune, the idea that Nagumo attacked Kiryuuin made no sense. To begin with, there were no reasons for Nagumo to do that. Many people think Suzune had never seen or known about Kiryuuin, but this is false. She had known her since Y2V6, where she secretly overheard her conversation with Nagumo about Kiyotaka and how he had abandoned him in the Sports Festival.From that moment, she should have known that there was no kind of competition between them.That is why Suzune’s thoughts move toward the possibility that something might have happened between the Sports Festival and that moment.

If something that serious had occurred, the simple fact that Kiryuuin came to complain was an anomaly in itself.

Nagumo is capable and influential enough to expel her without explanation. There was also the possibility that he wanted to ignite the fuse of conflict—but why would he do that?

His main objective was Kiyotaka, a competition that, as she confirmed at the beginning, was still active. And Nagumo's competitive personality will make him try to defeat Kiyotaka to the very end by any means, as he has known since Y1V10 when Nagumo's target was her brother.Furthermore, it made no sense to create more enemies, especially when he was about to leave his position as student council president.

And not just any opponent—one that Suzune herself recognizes as “troublesome.”Suzune is aware that Nagumo does not want a confrontation with Kiryuuin, based on that moment in Y2V6 already mentioned, when she secretly listened to their conversation.

It could also be a lie from Kiryuuin, invented to put Nagumo in trouble. But that is not valid either.

To begin with, Kiryuuin looked extremely disgusted by the situation, and she also gains nothing by bothering Nagumo. Not to mention that there is no conclusive evidence that would make Nagumo appear guilty, so it would simply be her word against that of the student council president—a confrontation she would never win.

So she gains nothing, not to mention that in that same conversation in Y2V6 she made it clear that she never had any intention of fighting with Nagumo.

So if Nagumo is not the mastermind, and Kiryuuin neither has the desire, the personality, nor the reasons to be one, then what happened?

There were only two options: either Yamanaka is the culprit, or someone is manipulating things from the shadows.

Suzune could not rule out that Yamanaka was the culprit, but that also made little sense. If Kiryuuin had no reasons to interfere with the student council president even if some tension existed, why would a student from Class D have them?

With the whole trial, it was impossible for him to gain anything, as already explained. In addition, he would make an enemy out of Kiryuuin, so it was a terrible move—especially for a student who had survived three years in ANHS.

That left the option that there was a third party manipulating things from the shadows.

But who could it be?

This is where Kiyotaka’s information comes in. Kiyotaka revealed four things to Suzune before the trial:

The existence of Tachibana as Nagumo’s connector (the mastermind).

The testimony that claimed Nagumo had ordered that such a thing be done.

The existence of the contract that Nagumo has with the third-year members.

The emotions and feelings that this causes in the third-year students.

The first and the second are irrelevant, because the existence of Tachibana in the equation does not change Yamanaka’s position and therefore does not change Suzune’s reasoning (it goes from: X → Yamanaka → Blame Kiryuuin. To: X → Tachibana → Yamanaka → Blame Kiryuuin). And the second is irrelevant because it was already known information that Nagumo was being blamed.

The most important ones were the third and the fourth. I’ll explain.

When she received that information, new options opened up.

The first was that Tachibana herself could be the mastermind. Something that was not possible for the reasons already explained. Therefore, there had to be a third party. But how could it be discovered?

This is where the reasoning we saw from Suzune in the novel comes in.

Suzune knows that Nagumo is not guilty. On the other hand, Yamanaka and Tachibana insist that Nagumo ordered them to do it. This represents a clear contradiction.

It was possible that they were lying, but Suzune wanted to believe both of their versions. After all, their future at the school depended on the result. For her, neither of them was lying, so something had to be added for the contradiction to disappear.

The real culprit told Tachibana that he wanted her to carry out a task under Nagumo’s orders. Tachibana and Yamanaka believed him, so they continue accusing Nagumo. However, this request constitutes a crime. Normally, they would begin by asking to meet with Nagumo in person to check whether the story was true.

It is normal to want guarantees and assurances that something will be obtained in return if one is going to take the risk of doing something that dangerous.

But they did not do that. Why?

Perhaps it was because the real culprit was also someone whom Yamanaka and Tachibana trusted. A spokesperson for Nagumo. And someone with power.

And there is only one person in this school who could make such a claim.

In that case, the person who was truly behind everything was not Nagumo, but Kiriyama, who was the vice president at that time.

The vice president who did not agree with the confrontation between Nagumo and Kiryuuin.

The perfect vice president who just happened to forget to schedule an appointment.

The vice president who did not inform Nagumo about Kiryuuin.

For Suzune, Kiriyama was the main suspect, but she also could not do anything. There was no evidence pointing to him. Kiriyama already had a guaranteed ticket from Nagumo to go to Class A. He would never commit a betrayal. Kiriyama was a domesticated dog and would not dare bite his master.

This is where the part about the feelings of the third-year students that Kiyotaka explained to Suzune comes in.

The number of students dissatisfied with Nagumo increases day by day. If it had been told to him directly, Nagumo would have ignored it. So Kiriyama did all of that to make Nagumo come to his senses.

He already had the culprit and his motives. So why didn’t she act?

Because she had no evidence.

There is no truth without evidence—that is Suzune’s philosophy. Even if she is 99% sure about something, as long as there is a 1% doubt, she will not take it as certain.

This was reflected in Y1V3, when she had already deduced that Ibuki was a spy and that she had stolen the card, but she still acted in case there was a 1% chance that she had not done it.

Or in Y1V11.5, when she discovered the relationship between Sakayanagi and Kiyotaka, but did not dig deeper because she had no evidence.

Or more recently in volume Y2V7, when she identified Yagami as the author of the note that was left for her in UIE.

But to reach that 100% certainty, she had to go to the student council room to check it again. Where she ended up getting trapped in “Love Letter.”

In other words, it is a characteristic of Suzune not to act based on her reasoning until she is 100% sure that it is true.

So in the trial she had to make sure to expose Kiriyama.

To achieve such an objective, she had to guide the thoughts of everyone in the room toward that single conclusion. So she questioned them one by one while placing Kiriyama at the center, who kept cornering himself with his own words each time Suzune asked him again.

She included in her manipulation: Kiryuuin, Nagumo, Kiriyama, Kushida and Nanase

Suzune forcing them to use their brains in order to guide them to the conclusion that there was a mastermind—one who was neither Kiryuuin nor Nagumo, but someone with trust and power, and with reasons to do it.

The final nail came when Suzune pretended that she was going to call the pawns that had been used, which finally made Kiriyama reveal himself.

From the beginning, she was not going to call people whose presence at the school was uncertain, because that would make them lose valuable time; it was only bait for Kiriyama to confirm Suzune’s suspicions.

We can know this from Sudou’s trial in Y1V2, where in order to bring Sakura as a witness they had to go to her from the start. That means it was a more complicated procedure than simply calling them.

Not to mention that in the process Suzune nerfed Nagumo

So…

Suzune, who had identified Kiriyama as the mastermind, created a situation where he himself would reveal it after leading the thinking of everyone in the room to that single conclusion. In that way she not only fulfilled her role as council president, bringing justice to Kiryuuin, revealing the real culprit and exposing his true intentions, but she also took away Nagumo’s freedom to abuse the private points of the third-year members, which removed his most powerful weapon, while consolidating her own position without involving the school in a single move from her first day as president.

This One Is another analysis Who goes deeper in the manipulation process.

In this feat,(logical,indirect,concealment,mind control)

Suzune does demonstrate indirect manipulation. Here, she doesn't manipulate people through lies, but rather through control of the flow of information and situational pressure. The first form of manipulation occurs when Suzune structures the trial to direct the group's thinking. Instead of directly accusing Kiriyama, Suzune:

presents the Kiryuuin case.

listens to Nagumo's version.

asks for opinions from Kiriyama and Kushida.

introduces the logical problem of contradiction.

The central contradiction is:

Nagumo denies giving orders.

Yamanaka and Tachibana claim that Nagumo did give orders.

Suzune doesn't resolve this contradiction immediately. Instead, she lets the others reflect on it. This causes everyone to begin considering the possibility of a manipulative third party. This process directs the group's reasoning toward a specific conclusion without Suzune directly imposing it. Her biggest victim was Kiriyama. She already suspects him before the trial due to several factors. However, Suzune doesn't accuse him directly because she lacks proof. Instead, she creates an environment where:

Kiriyama has to participate in the discussion.

Kiriyama has to explain his position.

Kiriyama has to react to the group's hypotheses.

Each time Suzune asks for his opinion, Kiriyama ends up reinforcing the intermediary hypothesis. This progressively places him at the center of the problem. Importantly, Suzune doesn't accuse him until the appropriate moment. She simply allows the collective reasoning to naturally point the finger at him. The final move involves the group's social pressure. Present in the room are:

Nagumo

Kiryuuin

Kushida

Nanase

Kiyotaka

another council member.

When Suzune introduces the idea of a powerful intermediary within the council, everyone present begins to consider who that person could be.

This causes Kiriyama to become psychologically isolated.

The pressure doesn't come directly from Suzune. It comes from the social environment of the trial. Suzune uses the group as a mechanism of indirect pressure on Kiriyama to confess.

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 25 days ago

Suzune's haters when they realize that in order ho slander her properly they First have tò know her feats

can't wait when they Will realize

That nanase Is featless in scheming and her only scheme was made by tsukishiro and She Simply followed his orders as She confirms in y3v2.

That kiriyama Plan worked only thanks tò plot armor and kirkyuin mental Nerf.

You can simply read [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClassroomOfTheElite/s/CFhTHhxkWF). Shit should've never worked out tbh😭

And that even if tsubaki managed tò take strategy from suzune(thing that She doesnt do)She stil would get low mid diffed since She Is featless in almost every other category

If in order To counter my arguments yall have tò post memes instead of explaining your disagreement then i think that calling It a win Is not that wild??

Especialy considering that you Lost our last debate on hosen vs suzune

🤣🥹🥹🥹

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 27 days ago
▲ 47 r/IntelligenceScaling+1 crossposts

Hot take,suzune Is equal tò ichinose and ryuen in scd and there Is no big gap between the 3

For years the general consesous on this matchup would horikita losing tò both with different gaps.

The gaps can come from High tò mid High tò even ridicolous takes like no or very low diffs wich are not supported by any scaling form whatsoever

The reasoning behind this mostly comes from a supposed lacks of comparable feats and the fact that She somehow Always get """carried""'"

Things in wich i disagree.in my opinion this take mostly comes from a lack of knowledge rather than of feats i had the pleasure tò debate many people Who had similiar takes tò the One i mentioned and no One was able tò gave a rational reason for that most of the times they either deliberately or uncouscely prove tò know very Little about her scaling not tò mention the ridicolous amout of headcanon and misinformation around her.

Thanks to the slander post many falsehood based on low interpretation of the novel have been dispersed both in the Main sub and by consequences in the scd One.

When i made my Mello vs suzune post instead of esaustive opinion on how Mello would be superior i only recieved things like.

"Mello no diffs"

"Get suzune pass Misa"

And cc.

I Aldo saw people actually arguing why they disagreed but It was like arguing tò a Wall cuz their arguments were Just

"Mello had this feat in this category while suzune Is fodder"

Same thing went for my near vs suzune where people would Just Say that near no diffs while never proving why that Is.

I think that most of this comments not only come from ignorance but Also by the widespread of falsehoods such as

In y2v1 supposed antifeat where She could not predict that housen would beat her despite It being a literal scene where nanase explains how only the First years knew about the free violence rules that made phsical violence now tolerated thing that no second or third year knew but that somehow suzune had tò predict especialy since acording tò the normal rules they were used too if hosen did such things he would expell himself no wonder in y1 ryuen had tò Hide whenever he did such things and leave no proff.

Then there the usual double standards.

In y2v6 they criticize her for winning the sports festival with arisu absence despite the fact that It was One of the conditions they had with ryuen and from wich he also benefitted but She Is the only One Who gets criticized.

In y3v1 She gets slandered for not seeing the ichinose,koji Alliance despite her not having no info on that thing that kei did but somehow ryuen Is assolved from that.

The y3v3 kiyonami Alliance Is praised by the fans as the perfect team .

But in every volume where koji and suzune cooperate Just like that suzune Is Always the carried One.

While honami Is the One with "agency" because She searched if koji was telling the thruths in vol y3v1.

But no One of these are as false as this next misinterpretation.

Y2v12 Is considered as a definitive proff that there Is a big gap between the other Leaders and her .depite kinu both telling US and showing that It was advantagenous for honami.

Many fans have find a way tò minimizze this advantages and even saying things like the exam suposedely pretends every scd category except fsiq wich Is ridicolous but even more if you consider the suzune vs honami matchup.

People use the argument of arisu High diffing ryuen as proff that suzune could do Better wich Is wrong since the ryuerisu matchup Is very different and not at the Same scale of gap of the honasuzu One let me explain

First no One knew what the exam was about before It was anounced people try tò argue that suzu could have prepared Better wich i disagrees

No info gathering.

Even if Suzy used kushida tò target info before the exam so tò be prepared at any variables It would be completely useless since honami info gathering in the school Is unmatched.

Honami has a decent knowledge on her classmates while suzune has no knowledge on ichinose ones(i aso Heard beliefs like that suzu Lost cuz hona knew her classmates Better than her wich Is beyond absurd for anyone Who read the novel)

(This piece Is from the horikita document ,thanks ganve kun)

Suzune lost to Ichinose 7–0. Some say it was 10–0 because of the final display, but that isn’t accurate. To begin with, it isn’t a score—it’s a life counter. Since it’s a life-based system, each life Suzune lost is effectively a point. In other words, Ichinose scored 7 points.

In my view, from 1 to 100%, Suzune’s chances of winning were around 1–3%. Not just for Suzune, but for almost any low-tier, mid-tier, and even high-tier participant—though each with different probabilities. The situation itself was simply too unfair.

The exam doesn’t measure academic knowledge or physical strength; it measures the ability to read gestures, microexpressions, and everyday social dynamics. (EP + EU)

Ichinose has spent two years deeply connecting with every student in her year. She knows their habits, their looks, and how they lie. Meanwhile, Suzune spent 10 years of her life completely isolated. Although she has improved, she has only been socializing for a few months. She is essentially playing in Ichinose’s “home field.”

If Suzune and Ichinose had exactly the same level of skill in reading people, Suzune would lose 100% of the time. Ichinose enters the board as a General with 10 lives, while Suzune, as a Mid Guard, has only 7 lives. To win on equal footing, Suzune would need to be about 30% superior to Ichinose just to compensate for the life gap—something impossible in her weakest area.

Suzune burned her “elite group” to secure victory against Kanzaki. Against Ichinose, the rules force her to use her less capable students—those harder to read or more prone to making mistakes for personal gain (like Shinohara).

Ichinose’s class is cohesive, intelligent, and team-oriented. Suzune’s class is filled with individuals who prioritize private points over collective benefit, giving Ichinose “easy targets” to quickly wear down Suzune’s 7 lives.

Even if a miracle occurred and Suzune, through intuition or luck, managed to individually outperform Ichinose and corner her, Ichinose could use her Traitor privilege—allowing her to communicate with her classmates and gain additional flexibility.

By doing so, Ichinose’s class (which is highly proficient in this type of exam) would effectively become a perfect radar, revealing Suzune’s class roles each round. Suzune would be bombarded with precise information against her own group, destroying her remaining lives.

It was a situation where if she didn’t reach Ichinose’s level, she lost. If she reached Ichinose’s level, she lost. And even if she surpassed her, she still lost. The only ways Suzune could win were:

Betray Kiyotaka and use the Traitor right, reducing his chances of winning if she lost (counterproductive to her main goal: winning the exam).

Stall rounds until she could reuse her elite group—people she knows well (she didn’t have enough time because Ichinose was too strong).

Play with Ichinose’s psychology using information extracted from Kanzaki (Ichinose already knew, making it useless).

And her best strategy:

Reduce Ichinose’s lives as much as possible so Kiyotaka would have an easier time (the path she chose).

Which ultimately meant her defeat.

Her best strategy to win the exam was, paradoxically, to lose.

Holy man…

I estimated a 1–3% chance because it represents chaotic variables beyond strategic control, such as:

Ichinose suffering an unexpected mental or emotional breakdown mid-exam.

Ichinose’s classmates making extremely obvious behavioral mistakes, allowing Suzune to identify Honor roles by sheer luck.

In conclusion, under the exam’s rules and respecting her constraints, Suzune was essentially designed to lose that matchup. Her true “victory” wasn’t winning the battle, but wearing Ichinose down enough for Kiyotaka to step in and finish the exam effortlessly.

And all of this without even considering the many previously mentioned limitations that didn’t even allow her to fight properly or comfortably.

Such as

Many people use the following to belittle Suzune, so before discussing the confrontation, I would like to pause for a moment to list all the limitations and adversity that Suzune is currently facing:

Like everyone else, Suzune faces an inability to plan a strategy; the specific content of the matches is completely unknown. Without being able to narrow down information, it is frankly impossible to devise a strategy or prepare countermeasures in advance to ensure victory. This is something completely fatal for Suzune, who is not a genius like her competitors. Even so, she managed to formulate a battle strategy to face Ichinose. However, despite all the measures and precautions Suzune took to keep Kiyotaka’s role a secret and use him as a surprise factor, the information that he would be the general was leaked to the opposing class due to a traitor within her own class, ruining her strategic advantage before the exam even began. In other words, in a situation where strategies could not be formed, she managed to create one, and it was leaked by a traitor.

Suzune’s class has exactly 38 people. Subtracting the 3 representatives leaves 35 participants. This means that if even a single person is absent due to illness or any reason, they fall below the minimum and will automatically receive a penalty of 5 class points per missing person. Unlike her class (and Sakayanagi’s), the classes of Ryūen and Ichinose have 40 people. This means Suzune’s opponent starts the exam already gaining 10 additional class points simply for existing (thanks to the surplus participant benefit), so Suzune is already losing the exam before they even finish explaining the rules.

With Kiyotaka as the general and intending not to fight, Suzune is forced to assume the role of middle guard. This drastically reduces her margin of error because she must fight with a massive initial disadvantage against Ichinose’s class, being forced to win quickly and take many lives from the opponent to prevent the turn from reaching Kiyotaka. (7 lives vs. 22 lives)

The rules stipulate that the same group cannot be used consecutively; they must rest for one round. This limits Suzune’s tactical options when it comes to repeating lineups that work. This is problematic because, unlike the elite group selected by Suzune, the rest of her class prefers to prioritize their personal gains (the private points granted by executive roles or winning discussions) rather than actively helping Suzune win the special exam.

The representatives cannot leave the waiting room. This restriction on movement between floors and the confiscation of communication devices is intended to cut off any flow of information to participants. Since they are closely monitored, Suzune cannot risk performing any suspicious actions, meaning she cannot communicate with her classmates—leaving them completely on their own.

Suzune was forced to use her best pieces immediately to secure her plan. To face Kanzaki, she had to burn one of her best groups in the first discussion (calm, poker-faced students capable of reading the atmosphere and thinking quickly, such as Sudou, Miyake, or Matsushita). This implies that for subsequent discussions against Ichinose, her available groups will consist of less prepared students.

The content of the participants’ discussion is meaningless to the representatives. Suzune’s only task is to discern roles (such as honor students) based purely on microexpressions, everyday gestures, habits, and suspicious glances through a monitor. This need to evaluate the natural behavior of her classmates is Suzune’s weakest area, as she spent 10 years of her life isolated and only began interacting and socializing with them a few months ago. In contrast, she faces Ichinose, who is widely recognized for mastering this area perfectly.

Originally, the right to designate and interrogate the “Traitor” (which forced a confession under threat of expulsion) was the only path and key weapon Suzune had to fight strategically and balance the scales. When Kiyotaka demanded exclusive use of this resource, he stripped Suzune of her only chance to win through her own strategy, leaving her disarmed and forced to rely solely on her limited individual ability to identify her classmates.

And she wasn’t facing a normal Ichinose. She was not the friend she had met two years ago, not the same person she had formed an alliance with, not the same one she had overcome the Mixed Training Camp with without expulsions, nor the one who had been harassed by rumors. She was a new person thanks to Kiyotaka—someone unknown to Suzune, something Suzune had not yet realized. On the other hand, Ichinose knew her perfectly.

Not to mention her mental state. With no class points to lose, the exam seems safe, but the enormous number of points at stake (250 points if they win) is vital for Suzune’s dream of reaching Class A. This creates nervousness, concern, immense pressure as a leader, and a moderate level of stress that forces her to seek sugar to keep her brain functioning. And this pressure increases with Kiyotaka’s conditions—she would lose her best asset if she didn’t perform perfectly.

And this was not her only mental burden.

The representatives arrived at the building at 8:00 a.m. and had to endure two hours of isolated waiting, absorbing complex rules under an atmosphere of absolute silence before the exam began at 10:00 a.m. The sudden call to action after being confined in the waiting room without information (other than watching their classmates’ lives decrease) created physical strain and an even greater mental burden on her.

Although Suzune defeats Hamaguchi and Kanzaki (12 lives) while maintaining her 7 lives, the flow of the exam is a repetitive and continuous cycle of 5-minute rounds, 1-minute tablet decisions, and short 10-minute breaks. Suzune must use those brief rests not to relax, but to clear her mind of unnecessary thoughts, review the rules, and calculate the risks of her moves—accumulating mental fatigue before the final confrontation.

Not to mention the emotional strain and anger caused by Kanzaki, who humiliated himself by bowing deeply and repeatedly begging her to concede victory due to the desperate situation of Class D.

In short…

She couldn’t plan any advanced plans for the actual special exam.

What little she managed to plan was leaked to the opposing class by a traitor.

If even a single person from her class was absent for any reason, she would automatically receive a point penalty.

Her opponent began the exam with an automatic gain of ten additional class points simply for having more students.

She was forced to assume the role of Mid Guard with a drastically reduced margin of error (7 vs 22).

She had to win quickly and take many of the opponent’s lives to prevent the turn from reaching Kiyotaka.

The rules prohibited her from using the same group of students consecutively.

Most of her classmates prioritized their personal gain of private points over helping her win.

Absolute isolation and the confiscation of phones prevented her from communicating with her (incompetent) classmates to guide them.

She was forced to exhaust her elite group of participants in the prior match against Kanzaki.

She had to face Ichinose using remaining, less prepared student groups.

She couldn’t expect direct help from participant discussions because the content of the discussions lacked meaningful value.

The exam required her to evaluate natural behavior and microexpressions through a television monitor.

She was forced to fight in her weakest area due to her ten years of prior social isolation.

She was facing Ichinose in an area where her opponent possessed absolute and flawless mastery.

She was stripped by Kiyotaka of the “Traitor” right, which was her only strategic tool to balance the scales.

Her opponent perfectly understood her way of acting, while Suzune was unaware of Ichinose’s current true nature.

She carried immense pressure and stress due to the critical need to obtain 250 points to reach Class A.

She bore the mental weight of potentially losing Kiyotaka’s future support if she failed to achieve a perfect victory.

She suffered significant physical and mental exhaustion after enduring two hours of isolation and complete silence before the exam.

She accumulated severe mental fatigue due to the repetitive cycle of five-minute rounds and high-pressure decision-making.

She was forced to use her short ten-minute breaks to calculate risks instead of resting her mind.

She experienced a strong emotional burden and anger after witnessing Kanzaki’s desperate humiliation and pleas.

As you can see its really not the right situation tò use for a comparison but this Is not the only One .

Then there y2v10.

Wich has tò be contenxtualized.

First suzune Is the only leader Who doesnt know about ichinose sudden change by that point unlike ryuen and arisu so her falling for the trap of hona protecting her Friends makes sense from her point of view.

And her tactic Being predicted doesnt weaken her performance overall .

People like tò point out how She was forced at the end tò give up victory and ally with the other Leaders and on how She got free points from hona class aswell as a way tò disminish her while ignoring and inportant detail.

The tactic hona used tò counter suzu strategy was making and Alliance with ryuen thing that only worked because of the sudden hashimoto betrayal.

Who gave ryuen a reason tò ally and destroye Suzy chances of victory.

Now tell me without hashimoto betraying A class at that exact Moment how would be suzune be countered??

She was predicted but its not like that changes anything if the counter Attack Is a Alliance with no certainity tò exist in the First place?

Lets also adress this common headcanons like

"Honami sparing suzune because She was merciful"

The hell?

The reason why She kept giving free points tò suzune Is because She had tò do so in order To make arisu come last.where did people got that?.

"Honami could have destroyed Suzu class but She decided tò have Mercy"

The hell again?this has no basis whatsoever ,they were already predicting hona choices and were defending themselves from their Alliance before joining It.

This Is also a useless scenario tò make.why would hona ever Attack Suzy class??what benefit She would gain if her objectives Is arisu?

As you can see here even this situation has to be contenxtualized and gives no valid reason on having takes

Like honami>suzune no diffs

Other arguments regard y1v6.

It was clearly showed and stated that ryuen got outsmarted there but people Stil Will find a way tò make the victim Just kushida and try tò act like ryuen wasn't involved or something else

"Ryuen wasn't serious"

In order To make x come out he had tò beat suzune this a thing koji intself says in his monologue before the submission of the replies.

Plus even if this were true then i can use the reasoning that every win ryuen had on honami a d suzu in y1 was because they were at their weakest level.

So y1v5 becomss invalid cuz suzune was Stil naive and unexperienced same thing goes for y1v11 where hona even forgave him and didnt testimony.

Some have even made up theories were ryuen suposedely knows about what She was going tò do.thing that i already debunked in the past thanks tò ganve.

Other arguments are like

"Suzune Is lacking cuz She doesnt have year long schemes"

Wich year long schemes?

Cka that Is only 4 volumes long.

Katsuragi Plan Who Is barely two volumes long ?

X arc Who Is 3 volumes long and so on.

All of this volumes are only some months long and are different tactics Who have in common the fact that they want tò reach a goal.

Plus lenght#more complex?

Its not like that if your scheme Is 7 volumes long then Its automatically Better than a straightfoward 1 volume scheme.

Suzu schemes are shorter and straightfoward but this doesnt make them less complex .

And on the narrative.

The Leaders (except arisu)are all equal narrative as for now there Is no inplication of One of them being inferior tò the other .

They have different potentials

Hona One likely regards specific abilities and not every single scd category lke people at making It seem.

As you can see suzune has Always performed equally tò them and now thanks tò the ganve doc you can see how small the gap Is.

Suzune can take fsiq,,ei,si,reasoning,thinking ,sensory,phsicolpgy,manipulation,planning and even has arguments for deception wich i can elaborate. From ryuen

She can take all strategy,fsiq,rsn,thinking,sensory, phsichology,EM,Ep,Er, and has arguments for manipulation. From hona

This post was made tò promote

The (suzune revalutation series)

Its a series of analysis on suzune feats that i Will share both in the cote and scd sub with the goal tò bring more Awareness around her

This analysis can came either from the horikita document or by nice the One analysis

I Will also keep making full scale comparison on different characters and im currently Planning on near vs suzune full comparison with explanations that would be shared in a matter of days.

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 27 days ago

Hot take,suzune Is equal tò ryuen and ichinose in scd and there Is no big gap between the three

For years the general consesous on this matchup would horikita losing tò both with different gaps.

The gaps can come from High tò mid High tò even ridicolous takes like no or very low diffs wich are not supported by any scaling form whatsoever

The reasoning behind this mostly comes from a supposed lacks of comparable feats and the fact that She somehow Always get """carried""'"

Things in wich i disagree.in my opinion this take mostly comes from a lack of knowledge rather than of feats i had the pleasure tò debate many people Who had similiar takes tò the One i mentioned and no One was able tò gave a rational reason for that most of the times they either deliberately or uncouscely prove tò know very Little about her scaling not tò mention the ridicolous amout of headcanon and misinformation around her.

Thanks to the slander post many falsehood based on low interpretation of the novel have been dispersed both in the Main sub and by consequences in the scd One.

When i made my Mello vs suzune post instead of esaustive opinion on how Mello would be superior i only recieved things like.

"Mello no diffs"

"Get suzune pass Misa"

And cc.

I Aldo saw people actually arguing why they disagreed but It was like arguing tò a Wall cuz their arguments were Just

"Mello had this feat in this category while suzune Is fodder"

Same thing went for my near vs suzune where people would Just Say that near no diffs while never proving why that Is.

I think that most of this comments not only come from ignorance but Also by the widespread of falsehoods such as

In y2v1 supposed antifeat where She could not predict that housen would beat her despite It being a literal scene where nanase explains how only the First years knew about the free violence rules that made phsical violence now tolerated thing that no second or third year knew but that somehow suzune had tò predict especialy since acording tò the normal rules they were used too if hosen did such things he would expell himself no wonder in y1 ryuen had tò Hide whenever he did such things and leave no proff.

Then there the usual double standards.

In y2v6 they criticize her for winning the sports festival with arisu absence despite the fact that It was One of the conditions they had with ryuen and from wich he also benefitted but She Is the only One Who gets criticized.

In y3v1 She gets slandered for not seeing the ichinose,koji Alliance despite her not having no info on that thing that kei did but somehow ryuen Is assolved from that.

The y3v3 kiyonami Alliance Is praised by the fans as the perfect team .

But in every volume where koji and suzune cooperate Just like that suzune Is Always the carried One.

While honami Is the One with "agency" because She searched if koji was telling the thruths in vol y3v1.

But no One of these are as false as this next misinterpretation.

Y2v12 Is considered as a definitive proff that there Is a big gap between the other Leaders and her .depite kinu both telling US and showing that It was advantagenous for honami.

Many fans have find a way tò minimizze this advantages and even saying things like the exam suposedely pretends every scd category except fsiq wich Is ridicolous but even more if you consider the suzune vs honami matchup.

People use the argument of arisu High diffing ryuen as proff that suzune could do Better wich Is wrong since the ryuerisu matchup Is very different and not at the Same scale of gap of the honasuzu One let me explain

First no One knew what the exam was about before It was anounced people try tò argue that suzu could have prepared Better wich i disagrees

No info gathering.

Even if Suzy used kushida tò target info before the exam so tò be prepared at any variables It would be completely useless since honami info gathering in the school Is unmatched.

Honami has a decent knowledge on her classmates while suzune has no knowledge on ichinose ones(i aso Heard beliefs like that suzu Lost cuz hona knew her classmates Better than her wich Is beyond absurd for anyone Who read the novel)

(This piece Is from the horikita document ,thanks ganve kun)

Suzune lost to Ichinose 7–0. Some say it was 10–0 because of the final display, but that isn’t accurate. To begin with, it isn’t a score—it’s a life counter. Since it’s a life-based system, each life Suzune lost is effectively a point. In other words, Ichinose scored 7 points.

In my view, from 1 to 100%, Suzune’s chances of winning were around 1–3%. Not just for Suzune, but for almost any low-tier, mid-tier, and even high-tier participant—though each with different probabilities. The situation itself was simply too unfair.

The exam doesn’t measure academic knowledge or physical strength; it measures the ability to read gestures, microexpressions, and everyday social dynamics. (EP + EU)

Ichinose has spent two years deeply connecting with every student in her year. She knows their habits, their looks, and how they lie. Meanwhile, Suzune spent 10 years of her life completely isolated. Although she has improved, she has only been socializing for a few months. She is essentially playing in Ichinose’s “home field.”

If Suzune and Ichinose had exactly the same level of skill in reading people, Suzune would lose 100% of the time. Ichinose enters the board as a General with 10 lives, while Suzune, as a Mid Guard, has only 7 lives. To win on equal footing, Suzune would need to be about 30% superior to Ichinose just to compensate for the life gap—something impossible in her weakest area.

Suzune burned her “elite group” to secure victory against Kanzaki. Against Ichinose, the rules force her to use her less capable students—those harder to read or more prone to making mistakes for personal gain (like Shinohara).

Ichinose’s class is cohesive, intelligent, and team-oriented. Suzune’s class is filled with individuals who prioritize private points over collective benefit, giving Ichinose “easy targets” to quickly wear down Suzune’s 7 lives.

Even if a miracle occurred and Suzune, through intuition or luck, managed to individually outperform Ichinose and corner her, Ichinose could use her Traitor privilege—allowing her to communicate with her classmates and gain additional flexibility.

By doing so, Ichinose’s class (which is highly proficient in this type of exam) would effectively become a perfect radar, revealing Suzune’s class roles each round. Suzune would be bombarded with precise information against her own group, destroying her remaining lives.

It was a situation where if she didn’t reach Ichinose’s level, she lost. If she reached Ichinose’s level, she lost. And even if she surpassed her, she still lost. The only ways Suzune could win were:

Betray Kiyotaka and use the Traitor right, reducing his chances of winning if she lost (counterproductive to her main goal: winning the exam).

Stall rounds until she could reuse her elite group—people she knows well (she didn’t have enough time because Ichinose was too strong).

Play with Ichinose’s psychology using information extracted from Kanzaki (Ichinose already knew, making it useless).

And her best strategy:

Reduce Ichinose’s lives as much as possible so Kiyotaka would have an easier time (the path she chose).

Which ultimately meant her defeat.

Her best strategy to win the exam was, paradoxically, to lose.

Holy man…

I estimated a 1–3% chance because it represents chaotic variables beyond strategic control, such as:

Ichinose suffering an unexpected mental or emotional breakdown mid-exam.

Ichinose’s classmates making extremely obvious behavioral mistakes, allowing Suzune to identify Honor roles by sheer luck.

In conclusion, under the exam’s rules and respecting her constraints, Suzune was essentially designed to lose that matchup. Her true “victory” wasn’t winning the battle, but wearing Ichinose down enough for Kiyotaka to step in and finish the exam effortlessly.

And all of this without even considering the many previously mentioned limitations that didn’t even allow her to fight properly or comfortably.

Such as

Many people use the following to belittle Suzune, so before discussing the confrontation, I would like to pause for a moment to list all the limitations and adversity that Suzune is currently facing:

Like everyone else, Suzune faces an inability to plan a strategy; the specific content of the matches is completely unknown. Without being able to narrow down information, it is frankly impossible to devise a strategy or prepare countermeasures in advance to ensure victory. This is something completely fatal for Suzune, who is not a genius like her competitors. Even so, she managed to formulate a battle strategy to face Ichinose. However, despite all the measures and precautions Suzune took to keep Kiyotaka’s role a secret and use him as a surprise factor, the information that he would be the general was leaked to the opposing class due to a traitor within her own class, ruining her strategic advantage before the exam even began. In other words, in a situation where strategies could not be formed, she managed to create one, and it was leaked by a traitor.

Suzune’s class has exactly 38 people. Subtracting the 3 representatives leaves 35 participants. This means that if even a single person is absent due to illness or any reason, they fall below the minimum and will automatically receive a penalty of 5 class points per missing person. Unlike her class (and Sakayanagi’s), the classes of Ryūen and Ichinose have 40 people. This means Suzune’s opponent starts the exam already gaining 10 additional class points simply for existing (thanks to the surplus participant benefit), so Suzune is already losing the exam before they even finish explaining the rules.

With Kiyotaka as the general and intending not to fight, Suzune is forced to assume the role of middle guard. This drastically reduces her margin of error because she must fight with a massive initial disadvantage against Ichinose’s class, being forced to win quickly and take many lives from the opponent to prevent the turn from reaching Kiyotaka. (7 lives vs. 22 lives)

The rules stipulate that the same group cannot be used consecutively; they must rest for one round. This limits Suzune’s tactical options when it comes to repeating lineups that work. This is problematic because, unlike the elite group selected by Suzune, the rest of her class prefers to prioritize their personal gains (the private points granted by executive roles or winning discussions) rather than actively helping Suzune win the special exam.

The representatives cannot leave the waiting room. This restriction on movement between floors and the confiscation of communication devices is intended to cut off any flow of information to participants. Since they are closely monitored, Suzune cannot risk performing any suspicious actions, meaning she cannot communicate with her classmates—leaving them completely on their own.

Suzune was forced to use her best pieces immediately to secure her plan. To face Kanzaki, she had to burn one of her best groups in the first discussion (calm, poker-faced students capable of reading the atmosphere and thinking quickly, such as Sudou, Miyake, or Matsushita). This implies that for subsequent discussions against Ichinose, her available groups will consist of less prepared students.

The content of the participants’ discussion is meaningless to the representatives. Suzune’s only task is to discern roles (such as honor students) based purely on microexpressions, everyday gestures, habits, and suspicious glances through a monitor. This need to evaluate the natural behavior of her classmates is Suzune’s weakest area, as she spent 10 years of her life isolated and only began interacting and socializing with them a few months ago. In contrast, she faces Ichinose, who is widely recognized for mastering this area perfectly.

Originally, the right to designate and interrogate the “Traitor” (which forced a confession under threat of expulsion) was the only path and key weapon Suzune had to fight strategically and balance the scales. When Kiyotaka demanded exclusive use of this resource, he stripped Suzune of her only chance to win through her own strategy, leaving her disarmed and forced to rely solely on her limited individual ability to identify her classmates.

And she wasn’t facing a normal Ichinose. She was not the friend she had met two years ago, not the same person she had formed an alliance with, not the same one she had overcome the Mixed Training Camp with without expulsions, nor the one who had been harassed by rumors. She was a new person thanks to Kiyotaka—someone unknown to Suzune, something Suzune had not yet realized. On the other hand, Ichinose knew her perfectly.

Not to mention her mental state. With no class points to lose, the exam seems safe, but the enormous number of points at stake (250 points if they win) is vital for Suzune’s dream of reaching Class A. This creates nervousness, concern, immense pressure as a leader, and a moderate level of stress that forces her to seek sugar to keep her brain functioning. And this pressure increases with Kiyotaka’s conditions—she would lose her best asset if she didn’t perform perfectly.

And this was not her only mental burden.

The representatives arrived at the building at 8:00 a.m. and had to endure two hours of isolated waiting, absorbing complex rules under an atmosphere of absolute silence before the exam began at 10:00 a.m. The sudden call to action after being confined in the waiting room without information (other than watching their classmates’ lives decrease) created physical strain and an even greater mental burden on her.

Although Suzune defeats Hamaguchi and Kanzaki (12 lives) while maintaining her 7 lives, the flow of the exam is a repetitive and continuous cycle of 5-minute rounds, 1-minute tablet decisions, and short 10-minute breaks. Suzune must use those brief rests not to relax, but to clear her mind of unnecessary thoughts, review the rules, and calculate the risks of her moves—accumulating mental fatigue before the final confrontation.

Not to mention the emotional strain and anger caused by Kanzaki, who humiliated himself by bowing deeply and repeatedly begging her to concede victory due to the desperate situation of Class D.

In short…

She couldn’t plan any advanced plans for the actual special exam.

What little she managed to plan was leaked to the opposing class by a traitor.

If even a single person from her class was absent for any reason, she would automatically receive a point penalty.

Her opponent began the exam with an automatic gain of ten additional class points simply for having more students.

She was forced to assume the role of Mid Guard with a drastically reduced margin of error (7 vs 22).

She had to win quickly and take many of the opponent’s lives to prevent the turn from reaching Kiyotaka.

The rules prohibited her from using the same group of students consecutively.

Most of her classmates prioritized their personal gain of private points over helping her win.

Absolute isolation and the confiscation of phones prevented her from communicating with her (incompetent) classmates to guide them.

She was forced to exhaust her elite group of participants in the prior match against Kanzaki.

She had to face Ichinose using remaining, less prepared student groups.

She couldn’t expect direct help from participant discussions because the content of the discussions lacked meaningful value.

The exam required her to evaluate natural behavior and microexpressions through a television monitor.

She was forced to fight in her weakest area due to her ten years of prior social isolation.

She was facing Ichinose in an area where her opponent possessed absolute and flawless mastery.

She was stripped by Kiyotaka of the “Traitor” right, which was her only strategic tool to balance the scales.

Her opponent perfectly understood her way of acting, while Suzune was unaware of Ichinose’s current true nature.

She carried immense pressure and stress due to the critical need to obtain 250 points to reach Class A.

She bore the mental weight of potentially losing Kiyotaka’s future support if she failed to achieve a perfect victory.

She suffered significant physical and mental exhaustion after enduring two hours of isolation and complete silence before the exam.

She accumulated severe mental fatigue due to the repetitive cycle of five-minute rounds and high-pressure decision-making.

She was forced to use her short ten-minute breaks to calculate risks instead of resting her mind.

She experienced a strong emotional burden and anger after witnessing Kanzaki’s desperate humiliation and pleas.

As you can see its really not the right situation tò use for a comparison but this Is not the only One .

Then there y2v10.

Wich has tò be contenxtualized.

First suzune Is the only leader Who doesnt know about ichinose sudden change by that point unlike ryuen and arisu so her falling for the trap of hona protecting her Friends makes sense from her point of view.

And her tactic Being predicted doesnt weaken her performance overall .

People like tò point out how She was forced at the end tò give up victory and ally with the other Leaders and on how She got free points from hona class aswell as a way tò disminish her while ignoring and inportant detail.

The tactic hona used tò counter suzu strategy was making and Alliance with ryuen thing that only worked because of the sudden hashimoto betrayal.

Who gave ryuen a reason tò ally and destroye Suzy chances of victory.

Now tell me without hashimoto betraying A class at that exact Moment how would be suzune be countered??

She was predicted but its not like that changes anything if the counter Attack Is a Alliance with no certainity tò exist in the First place?

Lets also adress this common headcanons like

"Honami sparing suzune because She was merciful"

The hell?

The reason why She kept giving free points tò suzune Is because She had tò do so in order To make arisu come last.where did people got that?.

"Honami could have destroyed Suzu class but She decided tò have Mercy"

The hell again?this has no basis whatsoever ,they were already predicting hona choices and were defending themselves from their Alliance before joining It.

This Is also a useless scenario tò make.why would hona ever Attack Suzy class??what benefit She would gain if her objectives Is arisu?

As you can see here even this situation has to be contenxtualized and gives no valid reason on having takes

Like honami>suzune no diffs

Other arguments regard y1v6.

It was clearly showed and stated that ryuen got outsmarted there but people Stil Will find a way tò make the victim Just kushida and try tò act like ryuen wasn't involved or something else

"Ryuen wasn't serious"

In order To make x come out he had tò beat suzune this a thing koji intself says in his monologue before the submission of the replies.

Plus even if this were true then i can use the reasoning that every win ryuen had on honami a d suzu in y1 was because they were at their weakest level.

So y1v5 becomss invalid cuz suzune was Stil naive and unexperienced same thing goes for y1v11 where hona even forgave him and didnt testimony.

Some have even made up theories were ryuen suposedely knows about what She was going tò do.thing that i already debunked in the past thanks tò ganve.

Other arguments are like

"Suzune Is lacking cuz She doesnt have year long schemes"

Wich year long schemes?

Cka that Is only 4 volumes long.

Katsuragi Plan Who Is barely two volumes long ?

X arc Who Is 3 volumes long and so on.

All of this volumes are only some months long and are different tactics Who have in common the fact that they want tò reach a goal.

Plus lenght#more complex?

Its not like that if your scheme Is 7 volumes long then Its automatically Better than a straightfoward 1 volume scheme.

Suzu schemes are shorter and straightfoward but this doesnt make them less complex .

And on the narrative.

The Leaders (except arisu)are all equal narrative as for now there Is no inplication of One of them being inferior tò the other .

They have different potentials

Hona One likely regards specific abilities and not every single scd category lke people at making It seem.

As you can see suzune has Always performed equally tò them and now thanks tò the ganve doc you can see how small the gap Is.

Suzune can take fsiq,s ei,si,reasoning,thinking ,sensory,phsicolpgy,manipulation,planning and even has arguments for deception wich i can elaborate. From ryuen

She can take all strategy,fsiq,rsn,thinking,sensory, phsichology,EM,Ep,Er, and has arguments for manipulation. From hona

This post was made tò promote

The (suzune revalutation series)

Its a series of analysis on suzune feats that i Will share both in the cote and scd sub with the goal tò bring more Awareness around her

This analysis can came either from the horikita document or by nice the One analysis

I Will also keep making full scale comparison on different characters and im currently Planning on near vs suzune full comparison with explanations that would be shared in a matter of days.

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 27 days ago
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Analysis on suzune's handwritting identification from y2v4.5 by ganve

After asking ibuki on amasawa strenght on wheter She could be a threat tò koji or not , ibuki tells her about the rooftop incident .and now with enough clarification suzune Will try tò identify yagami handwritying.

(This analysis was made by ganve from the horikita document in case you want tò know more then here Is the link for both y1 and y1 analysis by him)

Y2

[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1\\\_1od6OgaiE3q3C6MWfgGtVppOyog78K5D\\\_gu8euUdpU/edit?usp=drivesdk\](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1\_1od6OgaiE3q3C6MWfgGtVppOyog78K5D\_gu8euUdpU/edit?usp=drivesdk)

Y1

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1S\\\_Z2cw4jK2Tj77Jk6gNAd8VvgbtbFRquLcSdjn7QDPs/edit?usp=drivesdk

"At that point, knowing that Amasawa would not be a threat for Kiyotaka, Suzune shifted her focus to the note she had received warning that Kiyotaka would be in danger. At that moment, when Amasawa saw the note, she tore it up and threw it away, Suzune believed this was because Amasawa did not want to leave behind evidence of the handwriting, which was uniquely beautiful and could serve as the only clue.

It would not be easy. The only proof of the mastermind’s existence was a piece of paper—one that had been planted in her tent without anyone noticing in the middle of the night. This led Suzune to believe that the mysterious mastermind must possess exceptional physical abilities, like Amasawa and Kiyotaka. Moreover, they had to be a first-year, since nothing like this had happened the previous year. Additionally, someone who knew Amasawa and recognized that handwriting was unlikely to be a second- or third-year student.

Kiyotaka, Amasawa, and the existence of a “third party.” Suzune still could not see the full picture of how the three were connected. But she could not ignore it.

Suzune knew it would be dangerous. Even if she worked carefully to keep herself out of harm’s way, she could not guarantee the future. Therefore, if she were to fall, she asked Ibuki not to hesitate to alert the school. Ibuki disliked that idea, as she wanted to be the one to defeat the enemy herself.

It was two people against Suzune, so Ibuki decided to follow her to make things fair. This surprised Suzune, but after a brief argument—during which Suzune blackmailed her using the drink she had bought—they formed an alliance.The first thing Suzune focused on was reducing the number of suspects. She already knew the culprit was a first-year, but there were 159 students in that cohort to investigate.

Nagumo planned to organize a treasure hunt game, open to anyone who wished to participate.

After hearing his plan, Suzune suggested that, in order to prevent fraud, participants be required to pay 10,000 points and write their names on a list organized by grade. Name substitution would not be allowed, preventing fraudulent participation through the use of another person’s mobile phone. Additionally, participants would be required to return and report once the game ended.

Nagumo and the ANHS accepted the proposal, as it addressed a potential loophole. However, those were only Suzune’s surface intentions.

The only clue she had regarding the “third party” was their beautiful handwriting. Suzune arranged it so that all participating students, divided by grade, wrote their names on paper. This allowed her to observe each student’s handwriting and compare it with the one she remembered.

There were loopholes in her strategy. For example, someone could register under another person’s name. If the culprit did so, Suzune would end up following the wrong person. To prevent this, she required identification. A phone contains all of a student’s data; if the registered name and photo did not match, the reward would not be granted. In this way, she forced the person writing the information to reveal themselves. If the culprit participated, Suzune could identify them with certainty.

To claim the reward, participants had to report back to her, leaving them with no means of escape.

There was also the possibility that the third party would not participate in the optional event. That, too, was not a problem. Suzune aimed to reduce the pool of suspects. If no one with such beautiful handwriting participated, it simply meant she would have to investigate those who did not.

Another possibility was that the third party participated but altered their handwriting to make it look different. However, that would not be a problem either. In Japan, calligraphy (shodō) is considered a reflection of one’s mental state and character (kokoro). That is why it is said that “the line does not lie.”

In the case of kanji, where stroke order (hitsu-jun) and pressure are fundamental, concealing “beautiful” handwriting presents unique challenges. Even if one tries to write poorly or differently, subconscious elements betray an experienced writer:

Flow and speed: A person with beautiful handwriting has natural fluency. When trying to hide it, they tend to write more slowly, producing microscopic tremors or unnatural pauses that Suzune could detect.

Kanji structure: Skilled writers instinctively maintain balance between radicals and negative space (yohaku). Even when distorted, the proportional structure often remains.

Stroke pressure (fude-atsu): The pressure applied at the start (tome), during turns, or at the end of strokes (hane or harai) functions like a fingerprint. It is extremely difficult to fake erratic pressure when one’s hand is accustomed to precision.

Stroke order: In Japanese, stroke order is sacred. Someone trained in calligraphy follows it through muscle memory. Even if they attempt to hide their identity, perfect stroke order reveals education and practice that most ordinary people lack.

There were still ways to falsify handwriting:

Using the non-dominant hand: This appears childish and sloppy, but often retains the original writer’s directional habits and stroke order.

Changing the slant: Easy at first, but as the hand tires, it reverts to its natural angle.

Imitating another style: This requires such a high cognitive load that the writing becomes rigid and loses the natural feel of kanji.

Leaving absolutely zero traces would only be possible if the person had specific training in forgery or forensic graphology—highly unlikely for a high school student—or if they used tools that limited fine control, such as a thick, worn marker. That was not the case here, as they used ordinary pens.

Through this, Suzune achieved two objectives: reducing the number of suspects and increasing her contributions within the student council. After all, this had been her own proposal to the school. A direct appeal might be small, but it was another step toward the student council presidency.

If Suzune left a good impression through actions like this, she would be appreciated by both the student council and the school.

Suzune wanted to stay as long as possible, but that was not how things worked. She was required to take a break and leave her position to her council colleague, Yagami Takuya.

Although Yagami had only recently joined the student council, he possessed strong communication skills and a tendency to take initiative. He was a reliable kōhai who could be trusted with future tasks, and without a doubt, he was far more capable than the two first-year students who had joined the council at the same time.

There was still a long way to go, but to Suzune, he was the best candidate to become the next-generation student council president.

After a conversation with Kushida, Suzune returned to her usual post.

Approximately half of the entire student body participated in the activity. Among first-year students, the participation rate exceeded 66%. Suzune checked the names and handwriting of all participating first-year students before the test ended, but none matched the handwriting she remembered. This meant the culprit was among the remaining 34%.

Suzune went to the private pool area and pretended to make a reservation, allowing her to view the names and handwriting on the registration sheet.

All cafeterias and other reception areas used tablet- or machine-based reservation systems. However, private pools—where time slots are assigned hourly for each group and reservations can be made days in advance—used paper-based reservations.

Suzune pretended to search for a date and time while carefully observing and memorizing each piece of handwriting. The pool was designed for groups, but the system required only the representative’s name.

She was surprised by the reservation rate. Nearly all time slots were filled through the final day. There was no cost to cancel until the day before, so some students might reserve slots preemptively. It was extremely popular.

There was a column for the representative’s name and the number of students, but notes were not required.

There were many decent and good handwriting samples, but after reviewing them all, Suzune could not find one at the same level.

Opportunities to see students’ names and handwriting were rare. Since she had not found it, she would have to work harder.

She would need to recheck each person’s name and compare it with the OAA.

There were not hundreds of reservation lists—only time was required to confirm them. Students with blatantly messy handwriting or clearly different habits could be easily excluded, but Suzune wanted to be precise about who could be ruled out.

First-year Class B, Kibayashi-kun—excluded.

First-year Class D, Mochidzuki-san—excluded.

Eto-san, who participated in the treasure hunt and whose handwriting had already been confirmed—also excluded.

As Suzune continued memorizing and verifying, she kept an eye on the receptionist, who was not paying her much attention.

Even so, it was not easy to find the culprit. Just in case, she also checked the participant lists from the second and third years, but no one appeared to be the same person.

A few minutes passed after she had excluded the ninth person. When the receptionist began to grow suspicious, Suzune excused herself, saying she was coordinating with her friends. At that moment, someone stood behind her.

Suzune let him go first to make his reservation while she pretended to talk to her friends. When the boy left, she saw his name: Ishigami Kyō—a name she had never seen before. After checking the OAA, she found that he was from Class 1-D.

His handwriting was refined—one could easily believe he had practiced calligraphy for years. While it was not identical, it was the closest match she had found. She decided to speak with him.

Suzune used the excuse that she wanted to discuss the reservation because her “friends” had chosen the same time slot. The topic itself did not matter; she wanted a clue as to whether he was the one who had implied Kiyotaka’s expulsion.

She managed to stop him temporarily and keep him engaged. If the man in front of her was the culprit, there was a high chance he already knew her, whether or not he had directly planted the note in her tent.

Suzune confirmed that he did know her. However, this was not because he was the culprit, but because she had memorized the names and faces of most second-year students with high academic ability for the Partner Exam shortly after enrolling.

The conversation proceeded smoothly, without conflict or suspicion toward Suzune. However, she obtained nothing conclusive, even though she sensed something in his handwriting.

Suzune regretted keeping him any longer and let him go. Before leaving, however, Ishigami questioned her. Suzune had made a mistake—she had mentioned that Ishigami’s OAA was high, something she should not have known.

Suzune explained that she had the OAA app open in the background and had searched Ishigami’s name to confirm his identity. It was a somewhat weak excuse, but not entirely impossible.

Ishigami left.

Hoshinomiya and Kanzaki appeared, with Kanzaki supporting a drunk Hoshinomiya. After vomiting, Hoshinomiya returned to her room.

Kanzaki stayed behind, interested in what Suzune and Ishigami had been discussing. Suzune deduced that Kanzaki had known Ishigami beforehand—something Kanzaki explained by saying he had interacted frequently with first-year students during the Partner Exam.

It was not surprising that Kanzaki, the co-leader of Ichinose’s class, knew Ishigami—someone with a strong OAA. What was surprising was that Kanzaki, who normally did not speak with Suzune, had initiated the conversation.

Suzune explained the private pool situation and then asked whether Ishigami was trustworthy, hoping to gain information from another perspective. Kanzaki remained cautious.

It was currently summer vacation, with no special exams taking place, yet Kanzaki had not lowered his guard. By the end of the conversation, Suzune deduced that Kanzaki knew Ishigami more deeply than he let on.

However, Kanzaki wanted an exchange of information. He would provide the answers Suzune wanted if she revealed certain things about her class—specifically, Kiyotaka’s true ability. Suzune deflected the question without revealing anything, but Kanzaki continued pressing.

Suzune remained unaffected and continued the exchange. As a class leader, she had not earned the loyalty of everyone in her class—nor Kiyotaka’s. That was her story. She knew nothing.

Kanzaki revealed that Ishigami was an indifferent person. Suzune mentioned that Ishigami had told her they would “meet again,” which caught Kanzaki’s attention. Suzune suspected there was something between Ishigami and Kanzaki unrelated to her mission.

Ishigami acted indifferent toward everyone except enemies and allies. If Ishigami knew about Suzune, it meant she had already been labeled—something that did not make sense to her.

That day had been her first contact with Ishigami. Before that, they had never met face to face. The standard analysis was that he was neither a clear ally nor an enemy. And there was something else Suzune could not understand.

Kanzaki recommended that she avoid further contact with Ishigami. Before leaving, Suzune asked Kanzaki whether there were any first-year students comparable to Ishigami. He denied it, and then left.

After speaking with Ibuki, Suzune concluded that Ishigami was moderately suspicious. His physical ability was extremely low, combined with Ibuki’s testimony that she had identified his body as having zero physical capability.

It turned out that Ibuki had gone to the pool to examine the students’ physiques. Strength and physique are always proportional. If someone could move silently at night without Suzune noticing, they would surely have a toned body. And if they were strong, their muscles would be clearly visible at the pool.

Regardless of an amateur’s judgment, Ibuki was a fighter. If she had seen Ishigami’s bare upper body, then her assessment carried a high degree of credibility.

(FSIQ, FSEQ, FSSQ, Miscellaneous, Manipulation, Strategy, Intelligence, Thinking, Reasoning, Traps, Foresight)"

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 27 days ago

Analysis on suzune's fake camera Plan by nice the One from y1v2.

NO!!!

The camera Plan Is not koji scheme.there Is a big difference between giving an input and explaining the strategy.

When suzu and koji were searching for evidence koji noted the building without buildings from this you can easily see that he came with the same Plan or a similiar One but since he no diffs his own verse Is really not AN argument againist suzune.plus its not like he told her the Plan, he brought her and suzu noted the absence of cameras and from that She made the whole Plan.

Even if She admits tò have been puppeted the whole strategy was formulated alone with only One indirect input from koji.

If koji giving an input Is enough tò give all the credit tò him then yall are Just dishonest.

Anyway After this clarificstion i let nice continue with his analysis

When meeting up with Kanzaki and Ichinose, Horikita already thought of the strategy to win this case, which she formulated during the discussion in SC. And as it is stated very clearly, that strategy had lies tied into it, which is why it was also hard for Ichinose to accept but since it's in the range of acceptable and she agreed to help beforehand she gone through with it, complimenting how she didn't expect Class D to have someone like her. On top of that in the beginning she clearly understood that something like another witness won't work in this scenario. So after thinking through the risks, she chose the approach to destroy lies using lies with help of Class B. She also confirmed that it will work as shown in their conversation beforehand.

\[Logical Thinking, Fast Thinking, Negotiation, Risk Assessment, Risk Taking, Formulation Speed, Planning Aim, Preparation Process, Strategy Foresight, Strategy Shielding, Anticipation

\]As part of the strategy, the Camera's placement was natural and even had them in multiple places. Moreover as we know from before, the fact of the hot and uncomfortable environment was also used in here, to make them think less rationally. All of this, the time of the meeting when it's hotter, camera placement and the justification for them being there is part of Horikita's strategy, to ensure it's higher success and more stable execution.

\[Planning Inticracies, Planning Aim, Preparation Process, Strategy Success Rate, Strategy Alignment, Strategy Effectiveness, Strategy Efficiency, Strategy Execution, Strategy Resilience, Strategy Complexity, Strategy Foresight, Anticipation, Foresight\]

As we see the strategy was executed nicely and neatly with the help of Ichinose. This is part of what made Horikita's strategy well made, she understands how capable Ichinose is, and we also saw before that she made the critical decision to get them as allies. Due to which this whole thing happened and Ichinose cornered them fully with combination of a prepared strategy, persuasive speech and the heat not letting them use their full rationality.

\[Decision Making, Risk Assessment, Execution Control, Planning Aim\]

To not let them rationalise and get a breathing room by talking it over with their leader (Which is Ryuen, but it's not mentioned yet), Ichinose promptly said that it seems like they aren't cooperating and made it seem like the deal is about to be expired if they waste time on that call. With their low rationality due to heat, prepared in advance made-up facts, pressure on their psychology and the urgency, Kondou and Komiya convinced by it all, started panicking and got Ishizaki to go along with all of this. Unlike the anime version where it's too direct and seems kind of desperate by Horikita (Even though it should be Ichinose there not her), in the Novel it's done more precisely and effectively. It's up to an interpretation if this was improvised by Ichinose, or if it was also prepared by Horikita, which is a valid interpretation since they knew that Class C has a leader of sorts. On top of that this whole thing was prepared and planned as a strategy by Horikita so using this interpretation should be valid, using it as Ichinose improvisation Feat is also valid.

\[improvisation, indirect Manipulation •Ichinose Improvisation Interpretation• Anticipation, Strategy Shielding, Strategy Foresight, Planning Inticracies, Planning Aim •Horikita Preparation Interpretation•\]

Another thing that was anticipated by Horikita is this line of reasoning from them. It's obvious since Ichinose couldn't have known about the expulsion being on the table after it was established that one of the parties is lying with malicious intent. Meaning that Horikita was the one who told her that, as Ayanokoji is playing as Horikita's Puppet in the eyes of other's. This was done to further corner down the Class C trio, by making them believe that if what they say is true then it's only rational to talk with them about it as they would also receive damage. Making them more convinced of the story Ichinose told them which was almost 100% also made by Horikita. The whole thing was neatly prepared to cut off their escape while they can't be fully rational and make them withdraw.

\[Anticipation, Foresight, Strategy Success Rate, Strategy Efficiency, Strategy Adaptability, Strategy Complexity, Strategy Shielding, Strategy Foresight, Planning Versatility, Planning Practicality\]

u/Obvious_Ad_6250 — 29 days ago