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Hes so underrated!
Hes one of my best characters. I feel so bad for him that he didnt find love
u/SuccessfulTurn7084 — 1 day ago
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the Lunar Eclipse in MC historically AND astrologically accurate
So I'm an astrologer and I was intrigued when the Muneccimbasi (the Seer or Fortune Teller) mentioned an eclipse coming up (episode 122 I think). I looked up to see if there was an eclipse in 1553 and a total solar eclipse happened in January of 1553. I pulled up the chart for it - lo and behold, the chart is extremely on point about what happened to Mustafa and why. This eclipse is absolutely wild, it can be interpreted to foreshadow father-son and/or individual vs tribe conflict, the presence of Venus and Pluto could point to the influence of women, and it is bloody (Mars and Chiron conjunct -- in the house of children no less). It is wild and I'm floored not only because the show would include it (historical accounts probably did) but also because the astrology is spot on. MC is the bomb.
u/MirrorMinimum877 — 1 day ago
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scene that should have never been depicted
one thing I respected about show's Suleiman was that he always respected his elders especially his mother. Valide could be doing most outrageous thing and Suleiman never dared to physically touch her.
Ahmed being this agressive towards his mother, his grandmother, his aunt...always left bad taste in my mouth. Handan always had Ahmed's best interest in her heart, she knew Safiye could try to get rid of Ahmed at any moment and this is how he repays her mother. banish her, demand her to respect your wishes about Mustafa and him being left alive but why are you physically assaulting your mom?!?!
u/pimkyminky — 2 days ago
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Rewatching the show, why would writers do this?..
Look, this show has been one of my favourite shows of all time since it came out. Every now and then, i rewatch it, cause why wouldn't I. But lately, I physically can't take this shows illogical conclusions and descriptions. Idk what changed, but not seeing Hurrem as the woman who quite literally dominated the entire game is getting too annoying to me. Lemme explain.
We constantly hear various characters describe Hurrem as the most evil and cunning woman they have ever come across with, but imma share my unpopular opinion... In the show Hurrem was never as powerful as this characters said she was. In real life, she was the most powerful woman in the empire, in the series she bows down to quite literally everyone and can't get away with a single murder cause she has no real influence(meanwhile Suleiman's sisters are killing people left and right and everybody acts like it's their right to do so).
So what I am getting at is that, I wish Hurrrem was actually as influential and controversial as the characters in the show described her as. I wish that she had been written as not as mush of a victim but real powerhouse in the later(3 and 4) seasons. Let's be real, Fatma making her cry in season 4 because of her menopause - like whyyy were writers nerfing down my girl Hurrem like that?..
I know people still think she is like a villain in the series, but imma say one thing, some things are just right and wrong and all opinions just can't be classed as various interpretations. Hurrem was never the villain of this show. Period. End of the story. I literally wish she was. I would have enjoyed the show way more if she had been actually as powerful and evil as other characters and some of the fans in the comments under yt videos describe her as.
u/pimkyminky — 3 days ago
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Cried for the first time today
Since I started watching this show today was the first time I cried when Leo died, he was such an innocent character and did nothing wrong. I felt so heart broken both for him and Hurrem, even though Hurrem moved on and loved Suleyman she also deeply cared about Leo and it couldn’t have been easy for her to see someone from her past die that brutally, given her traumatic history.
Ibrahim’s hatred for Hurrem blinded him so much that he even forgot that Leo saved Hatice’s life.
u/Ok-Feeling-2038 — 4 days ago
Early era of othomon empire was much better.
Don’t you think the early era of the Ottoman Empire was far better and more aligned with Islamic values? Women actually fought alongside men, led armies, and played significant roles in society. But as time passed, the situation changed to the point where many women were reduced to merely dressing up and pleasing kings in order to secure their survival.
And I’m not trying to undermine the efforts made by women such as Hurrem Sultan or Kosem Sultan while living within the harem system ,they were undoubtedly intelligent and influential women in their own ways. But in my opinion, women in the earlier periods were portrayed as far stronger, freer, and more actively involved in society, especially before the harem system became so central to palace life.
u/Brainrot_56 — 3 days ago
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Suleiman seems quite different in Russian dub
I watched the show first in Russian dub; now I’m rewatching it in Turkish with English subtitles and I feel like Suleiman’s voice actor in Russian made him sound calmer and levelheaded, while in Turkish Suleiman sounds more decisive, even a bit harsh, much more masculine as well. Anyone else here who noticed this difference?
u/softgrid27 — 3 days ago
Imagine Ottoman palace politics covered like modern celebrity/news media. Drop your best BREAKING NEWS headlines from the 16th–17th century harem
This is an idea that came to my head and I think its so tea. I think it can be very creative hehe (based on real history though)
I'll go with a few that came to mind:
"BREAKING NEWS: Sultan Suleiman marries former concubine, grants unprecedented title ‘Haseki Sultan’ "
"The Topkapi Times: Safiye Sultan banished to the Old Palace as Mahpeyker rises in influence"
"BREAKING NEWS: Murad IV ends Kösem Sultan’s regency, assumes full control of the empire"
u/Green-Guitar1736 — 4 days ago
Who was Bali Bey's true love?
Who do you think Bali bey loved more?
For me, I think Armin was his first so he loved her the most.
u/Turkozzie — 3 days ago
Newest exhibit area in Topkapi Palace
From today’s visit of Topkapi Palace, i take couple of pictures from The Concubines’ Courtyard and living quarters.
Do you think the series did a good job of recreating these areas?
Btw i am a tourist guide and visiting the palace very often. If you are interested, i can take more!
u/AutoMughal — 5 days ago
The birth of Hürrem Sultan's first-born children in September 1522, Part B: Mihrümah Sultan
Guys, so I wanted to wind this topic up with a final conclusion post tying up all loose ends to soundly establish that Hürrem's first-born children were in fact, boy-girl twins— Mehmed & Mihrümah who were born in September, 1522.
So, as of now, we know:
- Süleyman must've met Hürrem around November 1521 after losing 3 of his kids in rapid succession in the September-October 1521 small-pox pandemic.
- Mehmed was Hürrem's first son and was born in September 1522.
- Süleyman's first born kids of his reign were born around January 9, 1522— clearly couldn't have been born of Hürrem, as she had conceived for the first time around the time of their birth.
- It's well-known that Hürrem's second son, Selim was born on May 30, 1524— see, for reference, Süleyman's court chronicler, Celalzade Mustafa Çelebi's work, "Tabakat", 157a-157b.
- Hürrem's third son, Abdullah was born on September 14, 1525.
Now, the first surviving letter of Hürrem to Süleyman was penned in the early months of the 1526 Mohaçs expedition, probably around July, 1526— and, it was in fact, apparently on Süleyman's insistence and *tantrums* that Hürrem started writing to him (and even then he would tease her for not writing more and more to him!), anyways from these letters, the existence of their 4 kids can be established:
>“...my sultan, this [much] should suffice for now, my soul is too affected [to write more to you]—especially as your humble servant and son Mir Mehmed and your concubine and daughter Mihrümah are overcome with sorrow and weep and wail from missing you whenever your noble letters are read aloud.
>Their weeping has driven me to distraction; indeed, it is as if a funeral mourning were taking place amongst us! My Sultan, your humble servant Mir Mehmed, your concubine Mihrümah, along with Selim Han, and Abdullah—offer you their manifold salutations and press their faces on the holy dust beneath your feet.”
It appears that Süleyman had taken his oldest surviving son, 9 year old Mustafa to a part of the initial journey on the way to the campaign and then sent him back to the capital and at this time, Hürrem wrote this towards the end of her letter:
>“Furthermore, my Sultan, [O you who are my darling and] the part of my very soul —should you send greetings to Sultan Mustafa, please send this letter of mine alongwith [yours] as well.”
Another letter from Hürrem was sent to Süleyman (Mustafa had made it back to the capital at this point) and this letter must've dated around early September 1526 shortly after Süleyman had won the Mohaçs expedition on August 29, 1526 and had immediately apprised Hafsa and Hürrem of the good news via his letters (as the Venetians reported), Hürrem wrote the following towards the end of her letter:
>“...Furthermore, Mustafa, your humble servant, along with Mir Mehmed, your servant; Mihrümah, your concubine; and Selim Han and Abdullah, your servants, offer praises unto Your Highness and press their faces against your blessed slippers.”
So, Mihrümah must've been born by May 1526 at the utmost latest when Süleyman went to his 3rd military campaign— so between the births of her three sons starting from September, 1522— only one possible year of Mihrümah's birth remains, if she was a born as a result of a singleton birth: 1523.
Historian Kaya Şahin too had stated Mihrümah's birth to have taken place in 1523 as well— however, it's clear that she couldn't have been born in 1523 because:
- Süleyman was away from the capital on his 3rd military expedition from mid-June, 1522 and he only came back to the capital (where Hürrem was) by early February, 1523.
- Thereafter, since Selim was born on May 30, 1524, Hürrem would've conceived him around August/September, 1523, i.e., within 6 months of Süleyman's arrival— so that, there's no time for conception and birth of Mihrümah in 1523 as well.
Also, if you notice Hürrem appears to have arranged the kids in order of seniority (and unrelated, but I suspect that Hürrem had somewhat of an OCD and she herself admitted that she was a perfectionist lol, anyways), so even that is an interesting little clue as to Mihrümah having been older than Selim and Abdullah, but younger than Mustafa and Mehmed.
Besides, it's interesting that Hürrem clubbed her son and daughter together in her letters— like moms often do with their twins lol, “like Mehmed & Mihrümah are doing this and that”, “this duo has driven me crazy”, etc.
All of this extensive and exhaustive reasoning and pieces of evidence presented in the previous posts and this one— prove that the only time Mihrümah could've been born was as a twin to her brother, Mehmed.
Hence, Hürrem Sultan's first-born children were boy-girl twins, Mehmed & Mihrümah born around early-to-mid September, 1522.
u/amazinglycuriousgal — 5 days ago
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Episode 48 - Harem Riot Aftermath
Im rewatching the show and I cant help but notice the severe under-reaction from basically everyone to Hurrem having her face burned by the concubines (specifically Fatma) . I can kinda understand Valide, Mahidevran and the others given theyre on the rocks with Hurrem basically the whole show but the complete dismissal of it from Suleiman baffles me.
Just 10 episodes he had Nilufer killed for (allegedly) killing her horse but looks the other way when his harem riots, specifically targets and injures his LEGAL WIFE?? Like Im so confused how Fatma was allowed to stay and went on to be apart of Mustafa's harem, thats actually insane.
u/morererest — 5 days ago
Guys, am I alone in thinking that the ~6 year long separation of Kösem Sultan from her sons significantly shaped her relationship with them?
For reference: after Ahmed's death in November 1617 till the accession of Murad IV in Sept 1623, her 4 young boys had been caged at the Topkapı Kafes whilst (then ~28 year old) Kösem herself had been confined to the Old Palace alongside her three young daughters: Ayşe (b. 1607), Fatma (b. 1609) and Hanzade (b. 1610/11).
u/amazinglycuriousgal — 5 days ago
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The double standards in women’s romantic storylines
One minor thing that pisses me off is how scared they are to show the sultanas actually “having fun” or cheating. The women is this show deserved more explicit scenes, just like the men.
Hurrem deserved the last kiss with Leo. After rewatching, I’m absolutely convinced that while she loved the Sultan, she still loved Leo too, just in a different way. I really wish their relationship had been explored more. I liked their scenes together, and honestly, she felt way more likable with him than with anyone else.
Mihrimah deserved to kiss someone she actually liked at least once in her life. Taşlıcalı or that doctor. Rustem cheated on her with some random woman, and we got multiple scenes of them kissing, but nothing for Mihrimah?
Mahidevran deserved some kind of romantic arc too. I don’t like her as a person, but I pity her as a woman. Imagine having your last sexual relationship at 21 and then spending the rest of your life without closeness or love just because you’re the mother of the heir and can’t be freed or married off. That’s honestly so sad.
In MCK, Handan deserved to actually hook up with Dervish, their chemistry was fire.
We see so many scenes of men cheating or hooking up with different women - Suleiman, Rustem, Ibrahim, Mustafa, and the other princes. But when it comes to the sultanas, it feels like the writers are scared to show the same thing, even though those same sultanas do plenty of… questionable things.
u/Careful_Employee_918 — 6 days ago
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MYK completely ignored the existence of Şehzade Süleyman
For those who don't know, Ahmed I had a son named Süleyman who lived around 20 years and ended up being executed the same day as Bayezid
MY also ignored the existence of Şehzade Mahmud and Şehzade Murad, who both died in their childhood
u/ComfortableLog8043 — 5 days ago