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One of the most underrated women in the Ottoman Empire. I've seen multiple books about her. There are even movies and shows dedicated to her story, yet I think many people don't talk about her enough.

There was also the rumor of her being Josephine Bonaparte's cousin, which I don't think it is true, but it was interesting reading what historians had to say about her supposed origins.

So I just wanted to ask: what do we know about her as a consort of Abdul Hamid? As a mother of Mahmud II ? Any interesting facts about her ?

Ps: She has a pretty name, I tried to find the meaning behind it and how she got it, but I couldn't find anything.

One of the most underrated women in the Ottoman Empire. I've seen multiple books about her. There are even movies and shows dedicated to her story, yet I think many people don't talk about her enough.

There was also the rumor of her being Josephine Bonaparte's cousin, which I don't think it is true, but it was interesting reading what historians had to say about her supposed origins.

So I just wanted to ask: what do we know about her as a consort of Abdul Hamid? As a mother of Mahmud II ? Any interesting facts about her ?

Ps: She has a pretty name, I tried to find the meaning behind it and how she got it, but I couldn't find anything.

Can someone tell me why her birth was celebrated in a big fancy way that was talked about by multiple sources ? What was so special about her birth especially in an empire that worships male heirs ?

Can someone tell me why her birth was celebrated in a big fancy way that was talked about by multiple sources ? What was so special about her birth especially in an empire that worships male heirs ?

First of all, I would like to start my rant by saying:

• Selim III, pookie, I hope you rest in peace 🥹 you tried your best, sweetie, and it was not meant to be.

• Mahmud II, I love you, I think you are so underrated.

• Mustafa IV, you **** ! I hope you rest in piss and wish you **** in hell.

I was reading about the period post the Saltanate of Women. And I found myself reading about the 1789-1840s era and holy shit 😶.

Now, here is the thing, I always thought that Mehmed III was the bloodiest Ottoman Monarch out there for like forever until I knew about the existence of Mustafa (the c***) IV. Like, he was such a piece of shit till the point of surpassing someone who killed 19 şehzades when it comes to being a trash, blood thirsty freak. What he did during his reign was awful like he was horrible, holy f!

I feel so sorry for Selim III, he tried to do a lot of good stuff, but he ended up having the worst ending/death because he wanted to do some reforms (F the janissary and Selim I who gave them this political power when he needed them to usurp the throne like what he did bited everyone in the ass/ yes I'm this pissed and sad like my boy Selim III deserved so much better).

My boy Mahmud II saw hell as well (he survived and became Sultan, but still 💔). He kinda avenged Selim and got rid of that piece of trash, aka Musti IV, tho. And he became a decent Sultan. Did all the reforms he dreamt of, etc.

Alemdar Mustafa Pasha was also shattered after what happened to Selim, and he saved Mahmud as well. I feel you bro and thank you for your service, King 🙏

I don't know why people don't talk about the Era of this trio more often and I don't get how someone like Mustafa IV doesn't get hated on daily basis (f him again and again) and why when people when talking about the great Sultans that came after Kanuni, they only mention Murad IV (yeah sure the last monarch to ever lead the army, yeah order established again, yeah economy was great, yeah a glimpse of the golden age in short period of time since he died young et etc) but Mahmud II kinda deserves a honorable mention imo. Same for Osman I and Selim III (🥹), poor souls they tried yet ... yeah.

First of all, I would like to start my rant by saying:

• Selim III, pookie, I hope you rest in peace 🥹 you tried your best, sweetie, and it was not meant to be.

• Mahmud II, I love you, I think you are so underrated.

• Mustafa IV, you **** ! I hope you rest in piss and wish you **** in hell.

I was reading about the period post the Saltanate of Women. And I found myself reading about the 1789-1840s era and holy shit 😶.

Now, here is the thing, I always thought that Mehmed III was the bloodiest Ottoman Monarch out there for like forever until I knew about the existence of Mustafa (the c***) IV. Like, he was such a piece of shit till the point of surpassing someone who killed 19 şehzades when it comes to being a trash, blood thirsty freak. What he did during his reign was awful like he was horrible, holy f!

I feel so sorry for Selim III, he tried to do a lot of good stuff, but he ended up having the worst ending/death because he wanted to do some reforms (F the janissary and Selim I who gave them this political power when he needed them to usurp the throne like what he did bited everyone in the ass/ yes I'm this pissed and sad like my boy Selim III deserved so much better).

My boy Mahmud II saw hell as well (he survived and became Sultan, but still 💔). He kinda avenged Selim and got rid of that piece of trash, aka Musti IV, tho. And he became a decent Sultan. Did all the reforms he dreamt of, etc.

Alemdar Mustafa Pasha was also shattered after what happened to Selim, and he saved Mahmud as well. I feel you bro and thank you for your service, King 🙏

I don't know why people don't talk about the Era of this trio more often and I don't get how someone like Mustafa IV doesn't get hated on daily basis (f him again and again) and why when people when talking about the great Sultans that came after Kanuni, they only mention Murad IV (yeah sure the last monarch to ever lead the army, yeah order established again, yeah economy was great, yeah a glimpse of the golden age in short period of time since he died young et etc) but Mahmud II kinda deserves a honorable mention imo. Same for Osman I and Selim III (🥹), poor souls they tried yet ... yeah.

I was reading about the Harem/the Saltanat of Women for a couple of months now, and I noticed that most authors mentioned that it started with Hürrem and it ended with Turhan. So, my question is, why is someone like Rabia Gülnüş, a consort who dominated her husband's Harem (I don't think he legally married her?) + was the Valide Sultan of two monarchs is generally not included in the convo and most people seem to think that the Era ended with Turhan ? She seems like an interesting historical figure tbh. Mehmed wasn't fully monogamous but he clearly favored her. Heard that she was all for Mehmed getting rid of his male siblings, but Turhan protected them. There is also the famous incident of her k*lling one of Mehmed's favorite concubines, etc.

I have been reading about the Harem/the Saltanat of Women for a couple of months now, and I noticed that most authors mentioned that it started with Hürrem and it ended with Turhan. So, my question is, why is someone like Rabia Gülnüş, a consort who dominated her husband's Harem (I don't think he legally married her?) + was the Valide Sultan of two monarchs is generally not included in the convo and most people seem to think that the Era ended with Turhan ? She seems like an interesting historical figure tbh. Mehmed wasn't fully monogamous but he clearly favored her. Heard that she was all for Mehmed getting rid of his male siblings, but Turhan protected them. There is also the famous incident of her k*lling one of Mehmed's favorite concubines, etc.

Ayşe Hafsa Sultan and Selim Yavuz

What do we know about Hafsa Sultan as Selim's Hatun, and what was their relationship like ? All I've seen in general was information about her Valide Sultan years, and not a single thing about her as a consort of Yavuz.

In the show, they portrayed her as a princess, I think, and they had some flashbacks about her and Selim's halvet? And he sounded smitten with her

What do we know about Hafsa Sultan as Selim's Hatun, and what was their relationship like ? All I've seen in general was information about her Valide Sultan years, and not a single thing about her as a consort of Yavuz. In the show, they portrayed her as a princess, I think, and they had some flashbacks about her and Selim's halvet? And he sounded smitten with her

So, the one that we all know she exists and she was the dominant consort in his harem is Ayşe Haseki Sultan.

Then there is Sanavbar, she did exist, obviously there is a foundation/a fountain that has her name on it but i dont think she was Murad's concubine she was probably a high ranked servant that is how she ended up making so much money to do charity because she is nicknamed hatun not sultan or haseki sultan if she was his concubine and she had a prince and she was leveraged with that much money she would've been given the title of a sultan not hatun.

As for the second Haseki i dont belive that she exists, first of all only Leslie Pierce singled her out as a Haseki, even though she was not the only historian to have look at the privy registers, plus, how come a concubine ends up becoming a Haseki and ends up making more money than Ayşe Haseki Sultan at one point yet her name is not known nor written in the registers but somehow her title and how much money she made exists, not a single date related to her exists as well, and she supposedly disappeared from life as a whole once Murad died like a ghost that never existed... I truly believe that there was no second Haseki and that Pierce saw a significant amount of money was given to someone in the Harem and she assumed it was a Haseki, or it was Ayşe Haseki aka Murad's only Haseki all along which explains the absence of name, date or any additional informations supporting the existence of another Haseki, or it could be a high ranked servant, or a mistake in the registers after all these documents are a like a thousand years old .. I personally believe that it was Ayşe Haseki all along , ence the lack of a single info, not even a name even though she was supposed to be a Haseki, even though Ayşe is mentioned by name. And we have informations about her (not much but still), So maybe it was Ayşe all along and no name is mentioned because it was well known fact that she was the haseki like it was quite known when you read/write Valide in those registers, it was obviously Kösem during Murad's reign, so maybe they just wrote the title of Ayşe and not her name because it was obvious who the Haseki was the way it was obvious who the Valide was the way it was obvious who the Padişah was without having to write their names.. it is more convincing than the theory of a second haseki appearing and disappearing like a ghost , n my opinion .. Ayşe used to receive 2000s and she prob got pregnant her salary went up to 2700 something because that was Murad's last hope of having a male heir and she prob lost the kid or it turned out to be a girl and her salery went back to 2000 aka the original amount she used to receive.

Ps: I know some will be like Murad IV ruled for only 8 years, so maybe that is the reason for this ambiguity. Well, Ibrahim came right after Murad IV, and he ruled for 8 years as well, yet we know the names of all of his Hasekis/important consorts. So, no one can convince me that a Haseki that received 2700 salary doesn't have a name/ isn't mentioned anywhere and suddenly disappeared like a ghost just like she supposedly appeared like a ghost. While in the same privy registers that Pierce mentions, Ayşe (who is also a Haseki of Murads) is mentioned by name, so if that 2nd Haseki existed why wasn't she mentioned by name like Ayşe. So, they wrote only her salary or title/salary and didn't feel like writing her name? Idk ...

Now im not saying that murad was Süleyman type of monogamous. He definitely had sexual relationships with more than one concubine, in my opinion, but there only one haseki among them, and it was Ayşe.

First of all, hi, everyone .. This is my first time posting here, so I'm kinda nervous 😂 but yeah, I started reading actual historical books about the Ottoman Harem for like a couple of months now while watching MY and MYK and I want to rant about Murad IV's Harem a bit if it is possible:

The consort that we all know she existed and was the dominant consort in his harem is Ayşe Haseki Sultan.

Then there is Sanavbar, she did exist, obviously there is a foundation/a fountain that has her name on it but i dont think she was Murad's concubine she was probably a high ranked servant that is how she ended up making so much money to do charity because she is nicknamed hatun not sultan or haseki sultan if she was his concubine and she had a prince and she was leveraged with that much money she would've been given the title of a sultan not hatun.

As for the second Haseki i dont belive that she exists, first of all only Leslie Pierce singled her out as a Haseki, even though she was not the only historian to have look at the privy registers, plus, how come a concubine ends up becoming a Haseki and ends up making more money than Ayşe Haseki Sultan at one point yet her name is not known nor written in the registers but somehow her title and how much money she made exists, not a single date related to her exists as well, and she supposedly disappeared from life as a whole once Murad died like a ghost that never existed... I truly believe that there was no second Haseki and that Pierce saw a significant amount of money was given to someone in the Harem and she assumed it was a Haseki, or it was Ayşe Haseki aka Murad's only Haseki all along which explains the absence of name, date or any additional informations supporting the existence of another Haseki, or it could be a high ranked servant, or a mistake in the registers after all these documents are a like a thousand years old .. I personally believe that it was Ayşe Haseki all along, hence the lack of a single info, not even a name even though she was supposed to be a Haseki, even though Ayşe is mentioned by name. And we have informations about her (not much but still), So maybe it was Ayşe all along and no name is mentioned because it was well known fact that she was the haseki like it was quite known when you read/write Valide in those registers, it was obviously Kösem during Murad's reign, so maybe they just wrote the title of Ayşe and not her name because it was obvious who the Haseki was the way it was obvious who the Valide was the way it was obvious who the Padişah was without having to write their names.. it is more convincing than the theory of a second haseki appearing and disappearing like a ghost, in my opinion .. Ayşe used to receive 2000s and she prob got pregnant her salary went up to 2700 something because that was Murad's last hope of having a male heir and she prob lost the kid or it turned out to be a girl and her salery went back to 2000 aka the original amount she used to receive.

Ps: I know some will be like Murad IV ruled for only 8 years, so maybe that is the reason for this ambiguity. Well, Ibrahim came right after Murad IV, and he ruled for 8 years as well, yet we know the names of all of his Hasekis/important consorts. So, no one can convince me that a Haseki that received 2700 salary doesn't have a name/ isn't mentioned anywhere and suddenly disappeared like a ghost just like she supposedly appeared like a ghost.

Now im not saying that murad was Süleyman type of monogamous. He definitely had sexual relationships with more than one concubine, in my opinion, but there only one haseki among them, and it was Ayşe.