u/Ancient-End2474

Image 1 — I just made my own webnovel which will feature smart characters but I need your help
Image 2 — I just made my own webnovel which will feature smart characters but I need your help
Image 3 — I just made my own webnovel which will feature smart characters but I need your help

I just made my own webnovel which will feature smart characters but I need your help

After getting persuaded by people I finally did it.

I already made a lot of outlines and plans.

But I can still see a lot of rooms for improvements. However, to be able to improve in the right direction I will need guidance and reviews from the general audience and targeted audience.

The story is Cultivation, naming systems will include japanese, korean and Chinese. There will be heavy lore, intelligence battles, cunning characters, progression fantasy etc.

The goal is to improve my writing skills at the very least.

As for the final goal? If you had known me in this community for a while you might be able to guess it.

&gt;!Write characters on the level of chinese Top Tier+ while maintaining great writing!<

This is the novel:

http://wbnv.in/a/95jpyuR

u/Ancient-End2474 — 6 hours ago

Chen Ran 3 layers illusion reasoning(Sinful Hospital Instance)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1do\_QT6EleDyx7eztb8ALmx-Bd02l2k4iCxsL2QW3lrA/edit?usp=drivesdk

This document is currently incomplete however this should give one a decent understanding of the feat.

This explains one of Chen Ran's reasoning feats.

Where Chen Ran unravels a trap created by Di Wu Zhi Yi, designed just to kill Chen Ran, according to his best understanding of Chen Ran. Giving you a glimpse of his insane ability to discern and escape traps.

Scaling: Extremely High Tier in Reasoning, Thinking,

u/Ancient-End2474 — 1 day ago

Characters who can beat Chen Ran

1st image is Chen Ran yes

No specific order

1.) Qiu Yinong [18loh], she is beating him in bed battles🤫

2.) Tianyi [Sinmonger+Sequel] (nicknamed Devil Advisor), due to countering. Will destroy Chen Ran with his Manipulation, ToM, Foresight and Planning. He doesn't scale higher than Chen Ran but he will defeat Chen Ran.

3.) First Saint [Being A Talent In Chusheng Demon Sect], the main orchestrator of Batics, he will absolutely outplan Chen Ran and defeat him.

4.) Niu Youdao [Heavenly Genius] superior Scheming, Social Intelligence, Manipulation, Deception, Foresight, Game Theory, Tactical Prowess,

Chen Ran will get misdirected hundreds of times before dying in Niu Youdao's hands. Goodluck trying to deduce his schemes, even if you can. How will you counter it?

5.) Cai Zhiyuan [God's Imitation] will abuse Chen Ran with his scheming, ToM and Social Intelligence.

6.) Colonel Timo [SoloMaxLevelNewbie] The greatest planning merchant of history

7.) Ang Xiao [Being A Talent In Chusheng Demon Sect] I have Chen Ran winning now, but Ang Xiao still has a decent chance to win against Chen Ran.

Ahh good old days when Ang Xiao used to mid diff Chen Ran.

Others from The Demon World I Designed: The Prophet, Pun Yunchuan, and probably more.

Honorable mentions: Luther Roy and Shen Jihan

u/Ancient-End2474 — 3 days ago

Intelligent characters loop

It's probably not a secret anymore that certain fictional works containing smart characters will inspire another author to write a similar one with even much smarter characters.

I have no idea where it started, but for example.

Usogui was inspired by other works, and Usogui inspired Ten Days Ultimatum, God Imitation and various other works.

Same goes for Reverend Insanity that probably inspired a lot of the Cultivation scd goldmines in the storage today.

The inspired work doesn't always contain smarter characters, but there is always a small chance that an author would be inspired.

For many people the fictional works we have today might seem like it's the highest the human mind can reach through fictional works, but just think about it...

When I was ten years old I thought Light Yagami and L Lawliet were pretty smart, then I read Liar Game and then Usogui and thought. "This must be the peak"

Then I read Reverend Insanity. "This must be the peak." But now I know that I was wrong.

Hence using this pattern we can infer that smarter characters that will absolutely demolish my arsenal will come years later.

You know what that means?

We are still at the tip of the iceberg✌️

u/Ancient-End2474 — 4 days ago

Rating smart characters based on how applicable their thinking processes are in the real world

-Ang Xiao[ Being A Talent In Chusheng Demon Sect ]

I think it's great, I would rate it 4.3~4.5/5, doesn't immediately jump into conclusions. His strategic approach is very flexible, basically he creates arrangements to achieve a goal but there are many ways to achive his goal. Rather than having a fixed path, he makes sure not to cut off other paths and always has a fallback which makes sense in the real world if you think about it. He makes plans to support his main plans, whenever there is new information he tries to learn it and adapt properly. Very good.

-Li Gang[ Vile Dominion ], I rate it 1/5. The only applicable thing is the fact that you should definitely rest, and not taking a rest or always pushing past your limits will do more harm than good. which Li Gang does tell us resting is important. But training your mind to be active every time you are awake is extremely unrealistic, and also I am biased against Lil Gang.

-Chen Ran[ The Eighteen Levels of Hell: Lying is forbidden here ], if you want to apply his process in real life you will have to keep track of many possibilities for one event. For example when an event happens, don't immediately accept a conclusion via common sense or experience alone. Instead try to explore every possible explanation you can come up with, then debunk those explanations until you remain with the most likely one. Chen Ran also reviews the situation every time it is over as shown many times especially after an Instance ends. In short it is an extreme brute forcing. The downside is of course the insane mental pain and effort to train yourself to do this a lot of times. Humans aren't built for that, a lot of simplifications are needed if you want to continuously think. A

Overall I still think it's quite a good process so I am giving it, 3.5~4/5

-Lynch/Lin Qi [ Blackstone Code ] peak. 5/5 definitely. A perfect combination of risk taking and being cautious. He perfectly understands that you cannot get rid of risks, and at some point you will have to risk something. He accepts his own weakness, hires people, does research, takes days to weeks of planning in average. Very confident and charismatic. He doesn't resist pleasure like those with unrealistic AC, no extremely fast cpi, no winning perfectly every time, no unrealistic psychology. Nothing unrealistic at all. If you can learn from him very well, It's not an exaggeration that you have a chance to become one of the most successful people of your generation.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 6 days ago

There are smart characters hiding behind paywalls

After we explored further we found that in websites that require you to pay to continue reading, there are also extremely intelligent characters in methodology.

There was one equivalent to ch700 Chen Ran by estimation. We don't know how many more scd goldmines are hiding behind paywalls...

But, I will explore it more once I am in my Mid 20s or something, which at some point I should have plenty of money or else I would be dissapointed in myself.

You know what this means?

We are still at the tip of the iceberg.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 9 days ago

Is Wang Wei the smartest chinese character in ontology scaling?

I was told this guy spams outerversal level stuff around the story.

Apparently this guy is above EOS Lu Yang in ontology scaling. For context, in batics each great realm basically transcends the former and is literally an entirely higher dimension, the quality of thoughts between realms is narratively much higher-ups. There are complex concepts like fate, karma, and etc that affect the ontology of this verse.

And at the end of the series Lu Yang basically is the highest before transcendence(implied he would transcend the entirety of the verse later)

Wang Wei is way way above Batics in ontology apparently but in methodology scaling he is only High Tier.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 10 days ago

Li Qing vs Ang Xiao

Li Qing(The Terrible Eternal Path) Ang Xiao(Batics)

Li Qing wins👍

Li Qing's hairline is not a part of Ang Xiao's contingencies.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 10 days ago

I don't think people should glaze Chen Ran if they haven't finished Sinful Hospital arc

I swear people read up to like chapter 75 and glaze him all around like that puts him way above Akiyama 🥀

Chen Ran received all the praises from my group during the Sinful Hospital arc which ends at like ch260 and even that part gets low diffed by the current Chen Ran.

I also gotta say that I feel like people are overrating early parts of the story, Self Killing plan isn't even that crazy bro💔

People glaze him for the wrong reasons I'm crying😭

There's also this trend where people only read up to certain parts and assume that "yeh this is the highest it can go", probably should put the chapter you are using when giving takes or opinions

u/Ancient-End2474 — 10 days ago

Chen Ran isn't only good at solving puzzles

The people who say he is only good at puzzle solving scenarios are probably people who haven't caught up, but I guess...

If he was only good at puzzle solving scenarios he wouldn't have reasoned Diwu Zhiyi's plan in Sinful Hospital.

If he was only good at puzzle solving scenarios he wouldn't have used Lin Xuan and Qiu Yinong properly to kill Shu Renjun with that complex Fang Yuan level strategy he did at third chamber of Hua Changsheng Instance.

If he was only good at puzzle solving scenarios he wouldn't have been able to kill Ying Siliang and others.

If he was only good at puzzle solving scenarios he wouldn't have defended himself during Ego loss tribulation.

He wouldn't reason out the arrangements of the true self players during Chen Ran's tomb arc.

He also isn't only good at fixed situations, I still have him above Fang Yuan in non fixed situations although he loses to other top tiers in my list.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 10 days ago

Gatekeeping actually feels good

I love gatekeeping from people, gatekeeping is fun but it's only fun if Im the one who is gatekeeping.

I was against it before, like why gatekeep 100+ Ang Xiao victimizers? but now I understand...

My ancestors before dying once told me "Remember the essence of gatekeeping i-" they left before finishing the sentence, only now did I understand...

That is- the essence of gatekeeping is t-

🤫

u/Ancient-End2474 — 11 days ago

Devil Advisor vs Chen Ran(ch780)

Tianyi(Sinmonger) versus Chen Ran(18loh)

-Intelligence: Chen Ran

-Social: Chen Ran

-Mentality: Chen Ran

-Thinking+Reasoning: Chen Ran

-Schemes: Tianyi>=

-Manipulation: Tianyi

-Deception: Chen Ran

-Foresight: Tianyi>=

-Theory of Mind: Tianyi

-Game Theory: Chen Ran

-Tactical Prowess: Chen Ran

-Adaptability: Chen Ran

-Counteractions: Chen Ran

-Judgement: Chen Ran

-Resistance: Chen Ran

Winner: Devil Advisor ??? difficulty

Strange...

u/Ancient-End2474 — 12 days ago

My theory on how Giant Sun created Blood Path

We all know that he had a lot of jade beauties that he collected all around the world. He actually often observed the netherworld of these jade beauties and saw their monthly blood tribulation many times. He probably even tasted it in order to gain better comprehension and much higher attainment.

With this he now has the sufficient inspiration to create the blood path.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 12 days ago

Tianyi a.k.a devil advisor

He is from Sinmonger.

For anyone who remembers this was a top 1 candidate from our list that got debunked hence Niu Youdao was top 1 in logical scaling for a long time until Pun Yunchuan dethroned him.

The claim of Tianyi defeating Niu Youdao isn't really that absurd. He is really extremely intelligent in a terrifying way.

I'm kinda confused on how to scale him. It's difficult to explain but in short he is similar to Murphy Lawden in powerscaling. That is, taking one category is enough to win.

For Tianyi's case the categories are Theory of Mind, Foresight and Planning.

For example let's match him against Chen Ran, Tianyi will take Theory of Mind, Foresight and Planning. That's enough to defeat Chen Ran💀

I mean, Tianyi basically counters Chen Ran so badly that he will toy with him so hard. It's no exaggeration to say he would completely map out Chen Ran's thinking processes and will reasoning everything he will do due to his Theory of Mind.

In fact it's not just Chen Ran. It applies to many other characters in my list.

Genuinely I don't see Tianyi losing unless it's puzzle solving scenarios against Chen Ran.

This makes me further realize that taking more categories doesn't mean you will be the winner💀

And it's not like his Theory of Mind doesn't have any process otherwise I wouldn't even scale him.

In my opinion, he isn't the smartest character I know. But he is one of the most terrifying depictions of Intelligence I have ever seen in my life...

u/Ancient-End2474 — 13 days ago

Cai Zhiyuan(God's Imitation) versus My gauntlet

&gt;!This is with an in depth look since you would need an analysis to extract all the processes in his feats because the explanations later are summarized and expands from the earlier parts of the story!<

Cai Zhiyuan>Wang Lu, No difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Fang Yuan, Low difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Guo Jia, Mid difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Zhuge Liang, Mid-High difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Li Gang, Mid-High difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Sora, Mid-High difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Kang Jinhyeok, High difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Lü Yang, High difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Lin Sizhi, Very High difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Lynch, Very High difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Ang Xiao, Extreme difficulty

Cai Zhiyuan>Chen Ran, Extreme difficulty

Colonel Timo>Cai Zhiyuan, Very High difficulty

First Saint>Cai Zhiyuan, High difficulty

Niu Youdao>Cai Zhiyuan, Mid difficulty

Pun Yunchuan>Cai Zhiyuan, Low difficulty

u/Ancient-End2474 — 13 days ago

https://youtu.be/lcMvwrM6TUQ?si=x53Asxpk387k4lSd

I swear some years ago I was doing research on high iq individuals like Marilyn Vos Savvant and that intelligent man that had a sad life. Then one day out of nowhere this guy appeared out of nowhere, I swear I was searching everyday and yet this guy appeared out of nowhere one day.

So I checked around and all the deceptions he did were crazy. For example there was a site attributed to him when I searched hard enough and it was basically rewarding great minds for their achievements and I knew damn well it was fabricated(There is a video about it done by a guy named planetpeterson If I recall) so basically he was awarding people with nonexistent awards and without them knowing💀

He probably has connections and there seems to be a lot of suspicious info around this guy, I am guessing most of them are fabricated. Literally deceived the internet about his intelligence.

He once made an edit of himself if I recall 😂

Self glaze was crazy.

He is probably only pretending to be a religious believer to further extend his influence. He managed to buy some people's trust by speaking quantum physics nonsense(You would understand that it's nonsense if you know some knowledge in the field)

I don't remember everything but I have seen this guy pull out crazy mass deception feats. If you want you can search on the internet about some fraudulent behavior he did.

This is also why I don't take people who brag about their iqs seriously🥀

u/Ancient-End2474 — 14 days ago