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IQ scaling

Intuition scaling goes brrr, this post is for entertainment.

This are lowball iq

Also, the IQ is scales based on performance not by raw/natural intelligence, otherwise Lynch and Fang Yuan won't be that high

The images are in my own scaling(strict scaling)

This ones below are for Proven Ability

Light Yagami: 130 IQ

Lynch: 143 IQ

Akiyama Shinichi: 150 IQ

Ukai Zero: 155 IQ

Lin Sizhi: 155 IQ(Solving complex counter-intuitive games, game theory stuff, side characters aren't actually dumb and doesn't always follow the script😱)

Senku: 160 IQ(Time machine feat isn't included because there's no explanations, besides that there's enough evidences for an IQ of 160 or probably a bit lower. He can do maths that I don't understand so quickly in his head, also he isn't just a knowledge merchant since learning all that and the ideas he has as a child at least makes him a genius. He also counted how many seconds??? While petrified)

Fang Yuan(no wisdom attainments): 180 IQ

(Imagine being able to chunk information so much that you can recall various events and information within 500 years of memory, where mostly each year would greatly surpass the average person's 10 years of life in terms of sheer amount of significant information)

Ayanokouji Kiyotaka: 180 IQ

Baku Madarame: 200+ IQ

(Let's be real. Playing Air Poker alone is such an unrealistic feat that you are guaranteed to at least have 200 IQ with this)

Zhuge Liang: 250+ IQ

Lin Ou: 290+ IQ

(Insane pattern recognition)

Ang Xiao: 400 IQ(Inhumane level planning which requires extremely sophisticated CPI, Cognitive Resources Allocation and FRI, )

Chen Ran 600 IQ+

(imagine being able to unravel extremely counter-intuitive problems in seconds and having such an insane pattern recognition. Also being able to visualize complex 3d objects up to micro-level to the point that you can manifest them into reality according to the rules behind No Distance)

Won't include Nobody and The Doctor because it's pointless to try and guess or estimate theirs because you know...

u/Ancient-End2474 — 11 days ago

Some random kid keeps stalking me,

I don't even know what SCD is at this point.

Every certain amount of time a new account made few days ago starts beefing with me randomly.

This has been going on for like several months now and I just kept ignoring it. But this kid and probably along with other people are stalking me and my other social media.

The person behind this account made several accounts to befriend me but I kept ignoring him. Why? Because first of all I'm not interested, secondly he is likely a kid based on his language and behaviors, even if I am a minor myself I'd like to get out of trouble and I find it inappropriate to interact with much younger people if you know what I mean...

(The person behind these accounts tend to claim that I am arrogant or something along with repetitive behaviors so I know it's the same person over and over again, well... You can believe what you want to believe)

For some reason this kid is now doing Ayanokouji level manipulation feats to get others to disagree with me or whatever.

No hate but this is dissapointing.

Anyways since I'm at it unlike what the person behind these accounts claim, I don't hate nor purposely slander Standard Delicious.

I look up to Standard and even interacted with him and his brother on our discord group since they were major parts of the said group.

I am forever grateful to people like: Standard Delicious, Phoenix, SecretIsDead, Morningz and Jarionn but what I am saying is that Standard did some wrong too. He misled others in purpose and misled people about the Inaccessible characters which is a big disappointment.

I'm not the only one who thinks the same either.

"Some people want to have something that others don't, and in this case it's the smartest characters that they lie about. They do this for ego." --Morningz

"Standard lied, I had already asked experts."

(Remember when I posted about a member of our group talking to a Wuxiaworld expert guy, and said the claim was very insane?)

--The VD guy(forgot his name I'm sorry bro😭🥀)

Et al.

Anyways, if you had seen my previous posts months ago or previous comments you'll know that I defended the possibility and my gang went around internet searching for the Inaccessibles.

We even went to the Dark Web to search for The Inaccessibles!

At last, it was revealed to us by SecretIsDead that they have indeed been OCs all along and apparently Standard was building hype for these OCs so that people would read them 10++++ years later.

I do believe that my gang has every right to be mad. But it's not a reason for me to hate the person who introduced me to my biggest entertainment.

(Also if ya guys have seen in Reddit a post of Standard saying he was back. That's an alt account of someone and Standard told me it wasn't really him)

u/Ancient-End2474 — 11 days ago

The Daoist(Normal Scaling merchant) from Being A Talent In Chusheng Demon Sect

Quite a few people who are interested in Normal Scaling ask about my top so I'm posting this.

I haven't actually decided on my actual list but The Doctor can be top 1 and followed by Jun Daoist and Pun Yunchuan and a few others which I don't have an order.

People know about First Saint, Ang Xiao, Lu Yang or even World Honoured One and Dao Tianqi but what about the top of normal scaling in this verse?...

Below is according to my understanding.

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Background:

In this world, there used to be only one Soul Transformation Realm existence and that is the Absolute End of everything which later fused with First Saint.

That was until one certain genius found a way to ascend to Soul Transformation.

The goal of the Absolute End is as the name suggests, to end the entire existence which results to a brand new existence.

The second Soul Transformation Realm seems to oppose that. So the two existence has a war which they fight by using pawns.

From then on an infinite cycle was created.

Whenever The Soul Transformation Cultivator succeeds in the chess game, he will successfully cultivate another Soul Transformation Cultivator which will replace him and the former Soul Transformation Cultivator will ascend to a higher unknown realm. The cycle continues...

Whenever a Soul Transformation Cultivator loses, he will serve as nourishment for the next world.

Jun Daoist

Jun Daoist is one of the Cultivators stuck in this endless cycle, his goal is simply to win the game against the Absolute End.

Thus he foresaw and planned everything in the story, he gave everyone equal chances probably due to his morals and his entire plan probably has the highest efficiency in fiction.

His entire plan which spanned for 1400+ chapters and crazy timescale inside the story was done through one single move.

Give the Book of Hundred Lives to Lü Yang. Later on, Lü Yang tells us that when he looked back and processed everything he realized that if even one single event were to slightly change then Jun Daoist' plan wouldn't have worked.

The goal of his plan was to turn First Saint into a gate so that everyone else can ascend to the higher realm.

So why is this Top Tier? Without context this only looks like it would've been Very High~Extreme High Tier only.

Aside from Crazy time scale, so much events happen in a single year in this world.

Karma is also something that connects everything in this world, meaning one small action can affect various variables in ways that doesn't exist in our world.

Quality of cognition: A Qi Refining Realm Cultivator would get disintegrated out of existence if they comprehend things that only Foundation Establishment Cultivators should know. This is because cognition literally transcends one another, that is: cognition of higher realm transcends the former. It's just like how a 8d being will beat a 3d being in powerscaling, but intelligence wise.

Unlike other stories, the narrative of this story goes crazy as a Qi Refining prodigy would've been equivalent to how we perceive people with 180+ iq, now imagine that there are apparently 5 Major Realms that transcends one another and each of those Major Realm have the minor realms with significant gaps.

And there's so many such people with their own sets of schemes.

According to Lü Yang's statements and authorial intent, Jun Daoist should've foreseen and planned everything since Lü Yang who became the Venerable Lord said his plan would've gone wrong if the small events where to deviate. As such Jun Daoist even hinted it himself that the plan was risky.

So yeh, that should give enough explanation why he is among my Top 10 in Normal/Narrative Scaling.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 11 days ago

Since our story is getting mainstream, it's time we have plans to deal with larpers(read all of description before commenting)

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I—the owner of the 18loh subreddit, the King of Hell... is using my extraordinary Zhuge Liang level Foresight to see that larpers will arrive soon.

So we should prepare before the larping era starts.

First of all, we should agree to never ever talk about certain parts of the story online.

Reason? So that we have information to test if someone is larping or not.

For example the Frozen Place thing related to Lin Xuan(I won't explain it in detail, but if you have read the story, this should give you enough clues to remember, it happens at Hua Changsheng's Instance btw)

This is something that was never talked about yet, also deliberately put Lin Xuan in arcs he shouldn't be in, we all know he appears in Sinful Hospital Arc and has a Conceptual Manipulation related Skill that is disguised as a Space Skill😭🙏

So you can ask questions like: "What is Lin Xuan's true skill?" If they say "Space related Skill" then they are a larper.

Also, people not remembering very nich details should not be an evidence that they are larping.

It's the best to ask probably like 3 thing, and if they all get it wrong, then that's a pretty strong evidence.

Another thing we should hide is Doctor Shu Renjun's shenanigans in Sinful Hospital Arc. This will be a good question to ask larpers.

It was a peak moment when it was revealed that Doctor Shu Renjun was the BOSS of Sinful Hospital

Next, we can ask about the other cousin of Chen Ran, not Chen Yang but Chen Nuo(if I recall he was the guy with a Fish skill???, actually correct me here if I get the name wrong)

Give me more ideas so that we can plan in advance how to deal with larpers.(The questions shouldn't be too specific but something that the readers can remember easily)

Our most-trusted members in the fandom are when it comes to not larping are: SimplyAmazing, JohnKonami, SojiKoji, Me and finally Jarionn and we are absolutely certain none of them will betray us.

So if you have ideas, just say in the comments or dm any of us.

(The guy in Images is someone whom I suspect to be a larper)

.....

Don't use the Liar Killer, so that we may create a GUI YUE Fang Yuan level planning using this post.

I won't say the details but it's fine because we are all High IQ Individuals🗿(jk) and we can deduce things ourselves.

Are we gonna be the first fandom with an anti-larping system???

u/Ancient-End2474 — 1 month ago

My thoughts on people who say Reverend Insanity is edgy or mid

(correct me if I get things wrong)

Finished it years ago and reread Volume 1 up to Volume 3 then re-read Fate War and Reverse Flow River.

This story is the best masterpiece among all Webnovels and some people are calling it edgy, whenever I ask them they always say it's that Bear Scene or dark things happens over and over again or even more stupid reasons which goes against the principle of writing( for example if dark things happens over and over again, the impact would be reduced)

I am inclined to believe that these people do not understand how much of a masterpiece this work is or is just biased because their principles and world view is being questioned.

1.) Dark things happen over and over again which reduces impact, therefore the writing is bad/mid

Terrible argument, this story shows a cruel universe in the perspective of the demonic path. Dark things happen over and over again, eventually people get numb on it and that's exactly what the demons or even most of the characters in this story feel. The readers growing numb to such scenes in a way is similar to how the characters in the story feel, making you feel more connected and immersed to the story itself. Which makes it brilliant.

2.)Bear Scene is edgy

If it is edgy then it means it is trying too hard, if it really was trying to hard then name a few things you can remove which would still portray everything it should portray. No one was able to name any.

Once again I am just becoming more and more confident that the people who say this are the people whose world view gets challenged and has to defend their own world view by dismissal and calling it edgy

3.) Fang Yuan has zero development which makes him badly written.

Very uncommon argument but this does exist, and it's a terrible one. Fang Yuan was meant to shatter the general trend of what well written character are like.

Unlike others who face internal conflict, before having a development Fang Yuan was meant to be complete from the very start.

4.)Terrible prose

Said by people reading in an english translation btw. If ya'll are real writing analysts or at least dedicated to it then go learn the original language, we have AI and technologies now too for minimal assistance. Saying Reverend Insanity has terrible prose while having English Standards is called cultural bias, literally a sign of Ethnocentrism.

You won't fully capture the brilliance of the story in the current English form. I bet people who talk about bad prose are clueless about the references that Fang Yuan makes in his poems, in the first chapter alone🥀

Idk how you guys feel, but like, how dare you judge a chinese prose using english standards???

Since this story literally questions people's world view and brings out hypocrisy it's no wonder that it gets hated too.

Barely anyone actually understands the brilliance of Gu Zhen Ren bruh, I guess there will always be biased people.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 1 month ago

Seniors, I need your help in writing scriptures

I am posting this because I am a new writer who started writing a Xianxia novel a while ago.

My goal is really simple, my main goal is to improve in writing obviously but I have another goal in mind.

I want to see a Cultivation World with actual logic, I know it's nearly impossible but I want to see how close I can get.

This is why I am asking seniors for help🙏

For Xianxia/Murim/Wuxia, I've already read stuffs like: World's Apocalypse Online, Reverend Insanity(First cultivation novel), Being A Talent in Primordial Saint Sect, The Terrible Eternal Path, Spirit Blade Mountain and other cultivation stories.

These are some things I am already planning to take into account:

1.) Intelligence levels: Realistically a Cultivator hundreds of years old who has transcended past human limits should not have the mind of a teenager who easily gets ragebaited.

But this one is truly extremely difficult to write. I have spent more than 1 month making various diagrams and notes to explain what a peak scheme within Qi Refining Realm should look like and I still haven't finished it. I only nearly finished the foundations and general details but not the specific ones and I feel like most were too much of a logical leap but whatever.

As for Golden Core~Nascent Soul level of schemes/thinking/reasoning, believe me or not I have already spent more than half a year making so many notes and diagrams, trying to create interconnectivity in each step of the scheme but goddamn I lose track so many times and I had to revise a few times because some steps doesn't make sense.

To be able to cover all the intelligence levels, I estimate I would need 3,000~4,000 chapters which would definitely take more than 10 years but this is a long term project anyways, so it's fine in my perspective.

2.) Social Systems+human complexity: A lot of stories genuinely underrate how complex social groups should be, so I am planning to add more logic by basing it on real life sociology, politics and psychology.

Also a lot of times, in order for a character or the protagonist to look smart, the characters get dumbed down, I don't want that and that's why I suffer.

3.) Protagonist: I want the protagonist to feel realistic. Of course in such a cruel cultivation world, not dying even once is extremely unlikely so of course I gave him a System with many tweaks, regressions, rewards etc and complex mechanisms and lore.

4.) Cultivation Logic: Genuinely how is comprehending that water makes things watery a genuine cultivation power up that makes you break through Nascent Soul😭🙏

So I want to make logic more complex+to justify lacking in complexity(because it's not possible for me to write the realistic level of intricacies) I will simply add the fact that Heavens is using Cognitive Obstruction, so the deeper the secrets of Heaven and Earth that you want to comprehend/study, the more Cognitive Obstruction is sent to your mind.

.....

I don't want to write something like a peak story on the level of Reverend Insanity, Renegade, LOTM, Ten Days Ultimatum etc, I just want to see the closest representation of a cultivation world.

Make the cruelty and scenery feel alive but I'm still having a lot of problems that I am trying to improve.

These are a few main things in my mind that I want to take into account.

Please help me seniors🙏

(If anyone who has read myriad scriptures can help me in direct messages, I would appreciate it)

u/Ancient-End2474 — 1 month ago

Does anyone know where I can read the raws of Reverend Insanity?

It's been years since I finished this story and I want to reread this since it is just too peak and I couldn't fill the hole in my heart ever since this story was banned.

I've already read various cultivation stories and other types of stories, really just missed Fang Yuan so much.

Now I heard about how the original raws was better so I wanted to check it out.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 1 month ago

Game Theory as a category

Why use Game Theory as a major category?

(I'll include the categories I use here since some people are asking)

Categories such as Judgement or Decision Making has already been used before, Game Theory is basically the better version of this. This is because Game Theory literally studies strategic-decision itself.

Being a top tier in strategy doesn't mean you will always have the most optimal decision in which Game Theory will come in. (You might end up trying to get to a deceptive goal that is actually not beneficial)

Game Theory is literally extremely crucial in outsmarting matchups because outsmarting matchups itself isn't just solving puzzles but having to interact with the opponent in most situations.

That's adding more categories, but hear me out, "Intelligence" is just too broad and outsmarting matchups just makes it even more complex, so of course there would have to be so many categories in fact I believe there's probably going to be thousands of categories if you want to be specific.

Major Category>Sub-Category>Sub-sub category

Remember that even a category like Visual Spatially Index can be split into several parts.

Several categories might overlap with one another and that's how it should be if you want to scale as many aspects as possible.

With all that, here are the Game Theory categories I use:

Goal and Utility Modeling:

Understanding what each player is actually trying to accomplish.

Information Asymmetry:

Understanding how unequal information affects strategic decisions.

Incentive Manipulation

Changing the opponent's payoffs so that their rational choice/s benefits you.

(Instead of "How do I force him to do X?"

It becomes "How do I make X his best option?")

Cooperation Strategies:

You don't just cooperate with anyone, this includes betrayals, short-term cooperatione and long-term.

Risk and Uncertainty Management:

Simply dealing with risks and uncertainty. It involves making decisions regarding which path to take by taking uncertainty and risks into account.

Nash Equilibrium:

This revolves around finding the optimal strategy accounting what everyone else is doing. (The optimal move can change depending on the Players due to various factors, this also already includes Opponent Modeling but you can use Opponent Modeling separately if you want)

Payoff Analysis:

You don't just analyze what you gain and lose, you also analyze what others gain and lose which would be crucial in the long-term if the game continues.

Minimax:

**"**What happens if my opponent makes the move that hurts me most?" Minimax revolves around dealing with the worst possible scenario, it is about minimizing the upper limit of possible loss.

The characters who scale the highest in Game Theory tend to be the characters in those ancient warfare scenarios.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 1 month ago

Update on Chen Ran's scaling

For all the people who invested in Chen Ran...

He is actually reaching Methodology Top 1 after this arc, I mean he is so so so close to it now.

His scheming is catching up to his reasoning, what else can we say to prevent this man from sitting on the throne?

Even if you include the planning Merchant Pun Yunchuan, he is surely getting cooked😭🙏

Chen Ran stocks are skyrocketing right now!

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago
▲ 27 r/EighteenLevelsOfHell+1 crossposts

Chen Ran(ch900) vs Baku Madarame(eos) in different scalings

This is just Chen Ran smoking Baku...

Normal Scaling: Chen Ran, 10+++ layers into No Difficulty

(I don't even know how Baku can stand a chance... Chen Ran is several dimensions above Baku in Cognition, Adversity, Precision, Guesswork, etc.)

Proven Ability: Chen Ran, 3~6 layers into No Difficulty

Methodology Scaling: Chen Ran, 2 layers of No Difficulty

Pure Methodology(strictest meth): Chen Ran, Low Difficulty

(Gaps are more compressed and it's much harder to outscale one character, but CR still wins)

Complexity Scaling: Chen Ran, 10+ layers of No Difficulty

(Baku is just not standing a chance.)

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago

I found female Ayanokouji

She uses evil methods and justifies that she is going to win in the end.

Sauce: I Eat Soft Rice in Another World

She really looks much like Ayanokouji but the female version.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago

Have you ever scaled characters with your life on the line?

Because me and my group did.

Several times...

We risked being doxxed, being located by the cartel, going through the mafia, fighting the Yakuza all to find and read such stories.

Maybe SCD was that serious all along.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago

Ravages of Time top 6 vs Baku Madarame

By Intuition, don't understand things that much✌️

But I'm sure Guo Jia and Zhuge Liang both slam Baku

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago

Zhuge Liang vs Fyodor but Normal Scaling

Since this is normal scaling we also gotta take all the narrative and statements into account obviously.

Fyodor [ Bungo Stray Dogs Manga ]

Zhuge Liang [ The Ravages of Time + Three Kingdoms Romance ]

-FSIQ: Fyodor,

(via conversation with Dazai in meresault, killing Ace and various other unrealistic fsiq feats. Fyodor easily takes.)

-Overall EQ: Fyodor

-Overall SQ: Fyodor

(Modern societies are much more complex than past societies. Both Fyodor and Zhuge Liang perfectly navigated, understood and instigated several social groups but I'll give it to Fyodor since modern is more sophisticated)

-Overall AC: Fyodor

-Thinking: Equal maybe

-Reasoning: Zhuge Liang

(Very Easily)

-Strategy: Zhuge Liang

(Easily takes this from Fyodor)

-Planning: Zhuge Liang

(Fyodor's is a much much longer plan, but when you think about it, those plans can be summed up into key steps. In which Zhuge Liang will win.)

-Manipulation: Fyodor maybe

-Deception: Zhuge Liang

-Foresight: Zhuge Liang🥶

-Tactical Prowess: Zhuge Liang

(Showed way better tactical plays)

-Game Theory: Zhuge Liang

-Adaptability: Idk

Fixed Situations: Fyodor Mid Diffs

Non-Fixed Situations: Zhuge Liang Low-Mid Diffs

Cat and Mouse: Fyodor High Diffs

Warfare Situations: Zhuge Liang idk diff

Economic: Zhuge Liang High diff

Winner: Zhuge Liang, High(???) Difficulty

Yes, Zhuge Liang is also cracked in Normal and Narrative Scaling.

Methodology Scaling: Zhuge Liang Low Diffs(-)

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago

Ang Xiao(eos) vs Chen Ran(ch900) in different scalings

Methodology Scaling: Chen Ran High Diffs(-)

(No comment)

Pure Methodology Scaling: Chen Ran Low Diffs

(Ang Xiao relies more on power systems so Pure Methodology would heavily criticize Ang Xiao+Chen Ran has more explanations for his feats)

Versatility Scaling: Chen Ran Low-Mid difficulty

(Chen Ran is just way more versatile, much more than Ang Xiao even though Ang Xiao is also versatile. The only upside that Ang Xiao has is that he is more cautious.)

Normal Scaling: Ang Xiao Mid-High Difficulty

(Ang Xiao scales Hyperversal+all the divination and stuff+there's all that statements)

Stop Scaling: Chen Ran Low diffs

(Ang Xiao's setups happened thousands of years ago, this shie is unfair)

Authorial Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

(Er Liang Bai Kai planning for several years>>>>Batics author gooning for years and then deciding to lock in)

Complexity Scaling: Chen Ran, Low Diffs

Proven Ability Scaling: Ang Xiao Extreme Diffs

Bias Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

Agenda Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

(Chen Ran made it to SCD mainstream so...)

Potential Scaling: Chen Ran No Diffs

Power Scaling: Ang Xiao No Diffs

(Ang Xiao is likely strong enough to bypass Liar Killer Mechanism. +Cultivation stories are just like that)

Writing Scaling: Ang Xiao Low-Mid diffs(????)

(Determined man>>>Lazy genius guy)

Aura scaling: Chen Ran Mid diffs

(Chen Ran aura farms nearly every chapter with the sole exception of when Chen Yang was destroying everyone)

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago

Mu Zixuan the lost potential and the tragedy of underrated authors

Mu Zixuan is from the Webnovel called [ Court of The Sword-treading ]

Which is a multi pov story, it scales at Top Tier+++

in terms of methodology scaling.

But it could've scaled much higher if the author didn't drop it.

For people asking about its potential, it's around the level of 18loh's potential apparently.

From what I was told, the reason why the author dropped this story was because it only had less than 200 subscribers.

In short thousands of people prefer to read slops and harem over this🥀

You can judge for yourself, but it's really a good story as far as I am.

Anyways, this tells us how niche intelligence is. Even if an author is capable of writing such an intelligent character, why bother? When barely anyone would read it. Then you'd barely gain anything from it than if you were to write something else, since most people prefer Intelligence as a side dish in most stories.

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago

Chen Ran(current) vs Kang Jinhyuk EOS(highest interpretation)

-Intelligence: Chen Ran

-Social Intelligence: Kang Jinhyuk

-Mentality: Chen Ran

-Thinking: Chen Ran

-Reasoning: Chen Ran

-Strategy: Kang Jinhyuk

-Planning: Kang Jinhyuk>=

-Situational Navigation: Chen Ran

-Manipulation: Kang Jinhyuk

-Deception: Chen Ran

-Game Theory: Chen Ran

-Tactical Prowess: Chen Ran

-Theory of Mind: Kang Jinhyuk

Winner: Chen Ran, Extreme difficulty

I personally have the difficulty a bit lower since I have KJH below First Saint right now, but it doesn't matter because Chen Ran wins no matter what just saying🥶

(In my own take I have CR taking both Strat and Planning but it doesn't matter because Chen Ran still wins)

Remaining opponents: Pun Yunchuan(Highest interpretation)>Mo Tan>Mu Zixuan>Niu Youdao>=Lu Chen(close???)

u/Ancient-End2474 — 2 months ago