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A Dance of Demons Strategy - Qiu Hua - Cat and Mouse arc - 18LoH

Sorry if the text is kinda non understandable for non 18 loh readers, this really needs context. Pics unrelated

The Dance of Demons Strategy - Qiu Hua

Situation

Qiu Hua arrives with the cats at the 10 min mark. He notices the maneuvers of Lin Xuan, the mice and Qiu Yinong. Thus he grasps upon the most important element of this web of schemes - Qiu Yinong

Strategic Premises

He knows Qiu Yinong has the Wheel of Time ability, and as a cat it will be impossible for cats to lose because she can constantly rewind time and never let the mice reach their 120 min countdown for clearance.

Thus, the aim of the mice will be to let Qiu Yinong clear the game as fast as possible. And Qiu Yinong will comply with the mice, as her teammate Chen Ran is also a mouse.

Thus he deduces Layer 1 of the mice’s plan. Waiting at the first floor in visible places to let Qiu Yinong escape first without letting other cats escape. They also need to wait at Floor 1 to make sure the cat and mice aren't deceived by any Fake Cats, after Lin Xuan has already been exposed.

Thus Premise 1 : All Mice want to make Qiu Yinong clear as fast as possible Premise 2 : All the Mice except Lin Xuan should be at Floor 1

Now with this premise in mind, he devices the most efficient strategy to let the cats win.

He also knows Lin Xuan’s Space skills and Chen Ran’s Eternal Kingdom partially. He also knows Lin Xuan would also deduce the overt scheme, so he is able to deduce Lin Xuan’s scheme, which are the 3rd and 4th layers of the Cat and Mouse scheme.

Thus Premise 3 : Lin Xuan disturbing arrangements [will be explained in Lin Xuan’s section]. This Premise exists because Lin Xuan knows the overt scheme of Qiu Hua

Premise 4 : Elevator usage will occur due to premise 3

Premise 5 : the mice decieving the cats sent to guard for their strategies

Objectives

Overt Objective : Make all the cats win as fast as possible

Hidden Objectives : Qiu Hua’s actual aim isn’t just to let the cats win. He wants to

Eliminate the low intelligence cats that might interfere in subsequent chambers Eliminate Shu Renjun Eliminate other intelligent mice too

To achieve these hidden objectives he actively helps the other mice to complete their layers of planning

Initial Strategy - Overt Objective [The Second Layer of Cat and Mouse]

  1. Establish a set of Future Lies for the cats to cooperate on.
  2. Keep a cat monitoring the Mice on the first floor. If the mice try to move, the cat can just announce “You are a mouse” to freeze the player as per rules. Also jam the elevator in Floor 2, to make it even more difficult for the mice to escape supervision
  3. The other players will search through Floors 2 to 18, memorising every object in every room, but this round of seeing and memorising should be superficial

Resource Allocation : By the time this strategy will start, 10 mins would have already passed. Thus all the remaining 5 mice have to be touched in these 110 mins to prevent them from clearing. This is just an approx calculation, and Qiu Hua knows Mice appeared x minutes before cats, thus the time they may have is less.

110 / 5 = 22 mins. And these 22 mins can be used to study those 17 floors Thus 22 / 17 = 1.3 mins (approx). Removing 0.3 mins for climbing stairs, there is approx 1 min to search each floor. Everyone has to be together while searching through these floors.

Now the more efficient method would be to have each pair search a floor, one to guard the hallway while the other searches the rooms. But this can make it easy for the mice to act as fake cats. The Cats have to be near each other to deter mice infiltration.

  1. After searching the 18 Floors, the search starts again at the 2nd Floor while one of the cats replaces the cat keeping watch of the Floor 1 mice. The replaced cat can then touch a mouse and clear the level.

  2. The touched mouse will also be found upstairs, which can be touched by another cat to clear the level. The search will still continue to the 18 Floors and start again at Floor 2

  3. Thus just after 3 rounds of searching the entire building, all cats will have enough memory to find any transformed mice. The constant clearance by the safe guarding cats and touching the mice that have to travel above due to the mice being prohibited in lower floors would enable all the cats to clear easily after just 3 rounds / 66 mins of the game.

Now this strategy is highly efficient in cornering the mice, requiring from 66 to near 90 mins for all cats to clear, given that no external interference happens. It will disable the ability of mice to disguise as Fake Cats, or even hide in any floor other than Floor 1, making their movements predictable.

Now Qiu Hua knows if he can strategise this, the mice will also deduce the same strategy.

So Qiu Hua tries foreseeing the schemes of other mice and cats, thus starts including some exploitable loopholes and hints in his strategy, to achieve the hidden Objectives

Manipulating with Initial Strategy [The Sixth Layer of Cat and Mouse]

  1. Make others think of the within which one search is to be completed as 24 mins. Amidst a high stakes situation, make everyone wrongly calculate that the remaining 5 cats have 120 mins remaining when it's less than 110 mins.

Thus he says

"In this way, our search speed will be very fast. We just need to complete the search of the entire building within 24 minutes."

When the Fitness Blogger asks why 24 mins, he doesn’t tell the reason. This is to make dumb 3 stars into violating the Future lie accidentally. This can be observed in how he frames the Future Lies to be said.

  1. He clues Qiu Yinong to the second loophole. He mentions

"Whoever opens the last room on the Eighteenth Layer first goes down to the First Floor.”

But while framing the future lie, he conveniently leaves that part out. This is to clue in to Qiu Yinong that her escape should happen in the last room of Eighteenth Floor. This is just one of several clues he specifically leaves for Qiu Yinong for her to clear first.

This is also make it easier for Lin Xuan and Gao Lan to disguise as Qiu Yinong, according to their 3rd and 4th layer of their plans [His dialogues are audible at the First Floor]

It should be noted that Qiu Hua knows Lin Xuan’s skills, so he has already predicted that Lin Xuan will space transfer Qiu Yinong to let her clear. He also deduces that Chen Ran will use his Eternal Kingdom to block Fitness Blogger’s Rampage skill.

  1. Another key move he makes for Qiu Yinong to deduce the escape plan is to word his plans in such a way that Qiu Yinong will deduce the hidden variables. This also serves another function, to put psychological pressure on Fitness Blogger

“We don't need to search too carefully, just remember the scene."

If further deductions were made on Qiu Hua’s plan, it would inevitably lead to one of the two results

One: When the cats are searching, if they do not search carefully, and if they cannot catch any mice. Two: When the cats are searching, if they can catch all the mice on the floors above the Second Floor.

The first result: If they cannot catch any mice, then only the cats guarding the First Floor will clear the secret chamber in advance, which means five cats will clear the secret chamber early. [1 cat already cleared before the entire thing starts]

And the final result will be that upstairs, from the Second to the Eighteenth Floor, a total of six mice and five cats searching for mice will be hidden.

The second result: That is, in every round of searching, if all the mice upstairs are caught, then the outcome will be: the entire building only needs to be searched three times, and the mice will inevitably lose.

Now the first result means the first five cats clearing the game are 3 stars, to prevent them from interfering in the late game showdown between highly intelligent 4 and 5 star players.

Do note that Qiu Hua doesn't know Chen Ran can also dispel skills and skill-created items, thus he thinks leaving weaker 3 star players to guard the mice and exit the game early is safe, because they have sunglasses to protect them against No Distance in the early game .

Thus 5 3-stars would leave the game early, but there are 7 3-star players in total, and since the cats will protect Qiu Yinong, the Fitness Blogger will alone remain as a discarded piece of Shu Renjun. The Fitness Blogger knew he was a discarded piece since before entering the instance and he also performs poorly in intelligence as compared to Qiu Hua, which Qiu Hua also indirectly points out to Fitness Blogger.

Thus the first variable will drive Fitness Blogger into a corner, making him want to clear the game the fastest. But Qiu Hua and others will block Fitness Blogger from touching Lin Xuan, which will compel him to use his skill to try escape.

Under skill usage the environment becomes pitch black, and this dark cover would help Lin Xuan replace Qiu Yinong.

  1. The first Future Lie: The cats remaining on the First Floor cannot touch the controlled mice in advance; they must only touch the mice when another cat takes over for them, or when 24 minutes have passed.

The second Future Lie: The players remaining on the First Floor cannot touch the mice midway while going downstairs

As explained above, even though Qiu Hua said in plan that the one searching the last room must go down, the future lies don't include that.

And through the First Future Lie, even if the cats are killed/ deceived and blackmailed by Mice in Floor 1, the other cats can’t go to support to not violate the Future Lie. Thus this Future Lie creates an Information Asymmetry for the better execution of Layer 5 of Cat and Mouse Scheme

  1. Through the wording and the second result discussed above, he manipulates the remaining cats into thinking that Qiu Yinong is actually not important, since her wheel of time can be blocked from usage by Eternal Kingdom anyways.

Thus the other cats are manipulated by Qiu Hua into thinking that Qiu Yinong is bait for the mice. This makes them not pay attention to Qiu Yinong, thus making the identity swap deception of Lin Xuan and Gao Lan easy to execute.

  1. Qiu Hua also hides the elevator display conveniently when the others are searching the floor. Thus he also covers up Gao Lan for the Layer 4 of Cat and Mouse Scheme.

Through this plan Qiu Hua is able to control the movements and actions of both the Cats and Mice, until Gao Lan, under Evening Breeze’s instruction, breaks the scheme. Thus he implements a Dance of Demons, where the strong prey upon the weak and each other while Qiu Hua stays ahead of all

Read ongoing doc for better readability

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1brJcgB80jlddNpi44vMfjtv-dJHOAHAsJvgBiTT91mY/edit?usp=drivesdk

u/Simply_Amazing_1610 — 19 hours ago

The Chronological Order of Events in Cat and Mouse - Part 1

Chronological Order of Events - Part 1

  1. The Mice arrive in the secret chamber, at lets say time 00:00. They read the rules, LX makes a scheme with Gao Lan and Chen Ran, then they are hidden for 10 mins

  2. Lin Xuan moves Chen Ran to Normal Space - 2 and Gao Lan to Fast Space - 2[where he directly arrives at Floor 18’s last room]. Gao Lan from Fast Space - 2 and Chen Ran from Normal Space - 2 replace their counterparts

  3. The cats arrive at 00:10 and read the rules

  4. Qiu Yinong deduces the mice are hidden and tries touching but Shu Renjun uses Whisperer : Forbidden Bookstore, darkening the room and letting all mice escape

  5. Qiu Yinong deduces Lin Xuan being hidden among the cats, but guesses wrong, resulting in Pan faced woman clearing the game and Lin Xuan ascending to Floor 1.

  6. Qiu Hua proposes his Mice Extermination Strategy, urging players to verify his premise by going to First Floor

  7. All the cats arrive at Floor 1 at 00:30, spotting all the mice except Lin Xuan being present. All Cats utter 2 Future Lies, which the mice also hear

  8. Zhou Zhan is keeping guard at Floor 1, while remaining 9 Cats ascend the next floors

  9. Qiu Hua blocks the elevator at Floor 2 and induces Fitness Blogger to use his skill Weird Speaker : Rampage is used by Fitness Blogger at Floor 3. The Building is darkened

  10. Qiu Yinong is transported to the Fast Space 1 of Lin Xuan’s skill after she silently exits the group of cats, where she directly arrives at Floor 12. The counterpart from Fast Space 1 is transported to the current Normal Space, where she still silently runs upstairs Lin Xuan from Floor 3 replaces Qiu Yinong in the Cats team

  11. Meanwhile in Fast Space - 2, Gao Lan is touched by Qiu Yinong of Fast Space - 2, becoming a ghost and becoming Mice back

  12. Meanwhile in Fast Space - 1, Qiu Yinong from original space touches Gao Lan of Fast Space - 1 [after seeing the elevator at Floor 12 climb to 18], causing all Qiu Yinongs of all spaces to clear the game

  13. Chen Ran uses Eternal Kingdom from Normal Space - 2, breaking all skills and skill-created items

  14. Gao Lan, already in Mice form, returns to Normal Space back to Floor 1. Chen Ran does too, back to Floor 1. [Note: Gao Lan can return to Floor 1 cuz he is only blocked from going to the Ground Floor. While Lin Xuan was already blocked from going to Ground Floor after getting caught]

  15. All No-Distance users attack Zhou Zhan, as he has lost his glasses. Gao Lan runs away to Floor 2.

  16. Meanwhile Cats at Floor 3 are busy picking up dropped items due to Eternal Kingdom’s effect

  17. Gao Lan un-jams the Elevator at Floor 2, Rises to Floor 18, then comes down back to Floor 8 and sends the elevator back to Floor 2

  18. Qiu Hua hides the elevator display with his back, thus hiding Gao Lan’s movements

  19. Gao Lan hides in the last room of Floor 8

  20. Lin Xuan, as Qiu Yinong, reaches Floor 8’s last room first, where Gao Lan disguises as Qiu Yinong and Lin Xuan acts as himself.

  21. Fitness Blogger touches Lin Xuan, thus clearing the game. Lin Xuan descends to Floor 2 and starts scrambling the items, while Gao Lan continues as Qiu Yinong to search

  22. Search of Floor 18 finished, Lin Xuan’s Three Star Teammate - 2 used elevator to reach Floor 1 and replace Zhou Zhan

  23. Lin Xuan’s Three Star Teammate - 2 is deceived into lying, and thus hides in a room with Zhou Zhan, while Chen Ran disguises himself as Lin Xuan’s Three Star Teammate - 2. Short and Stout disguises as Chen Ran and hides under the stairway

  24. The cats reach Floor 2 and start the search again

  25. Gao Lan, disguised as Qiu Yinong, finds Lin Xuan again in Floor 8. They both exchange places, thus Lin Xuan acts as Qiu Yinong while Gao Lan acts as the mice hypothetically touched by Zhou Zhan

  26. Gao Lan’s Three Star Teammate - 1 touches Gao Lan and clears the game. Gao Lan proceeds silently to Floor 18 [Note : Gao Lan is prohibited from going to Floor 1 now]

  27. After conversation at Floor 8, Cats search till Floor 18, where Lin Xuan and Gao Lan exchange the disguise, so Gao Lan acts as Qiu Yinong while Lin Xuan acts as a frustrated rat

  28. Gao Lan’s Three Star Teammate - 2 touches Lin Xuan and clears stage. [Note : Lin Xuan is prohibited from going to Floor 2]. Xu Jingzhou is sent to Floor 1 to monitor the Rats while Lin Xuan’s Three Star Teammate - 2 hypothetically clears

  29. The Cats start their search again at Floor 2, while Xu Jingzhou reaches Floor 1

  30. Xu Jinzhou is tricked into a lie by a disguised Chen Ran. The cats complete their search of Floor 5 and proceed to Floor 6

  31. Both Zhou Zhan and Lin Xuan’s Three Star Teammate - 2 run upwards, while Shu Renjun kills Xu Jingzhou

  32. While the cats are distracted by gunshot, Lin Xuan disguises himself as Qiu Yinong while Gao Lan disguises as an object

  33. Lin Xuan as Qiu Yinong induces the cats to leave Han Bing to guard Floor 6. Gao Lan is hidden as an object on Floor 6

  34. After the cats reach Floor 8, Gao Lan kills Han Bing and runs downwards to the floors below

  35. Gao Lan, while running downwards, collides with Zhou Zhan running upward. He makes Zhou Zhan clear instantaneously and gets into ghost form [Gao Lan is forbidden from accessing Floor 2 now]

  36. Lin Xuan’s Three Star Teammate - 2 reasons out the plans of the mice and touches Shu Renjun, clearing the game and making Shu Renjun a ghost for 10 mins [Shu Renjun is forbidden from accessing Ground Floor now]

  37. Both Ye Qian and Guan Xiong try touching Lin Xuan. Guan Xiong touches and clears the game.

  38. Thus as the scheme falls apart, all the cats and rats get shuffled among the building, changing their appearance to mimic the cats

For better formatting read from the on progress doc from the link given below

Cat and Mouse Complete Explanation

u/Simply_Amazing_1610 — 19 hours ago

Can anyone explain this ?🙏🏻

Everything was going smoothly but who tf is pang hu ? Or is itjust a typo? Or is it something i missed if so then dont hesitate to point it out🙏🏻,

Have a great day

u/Leylin06 — 6 days ago

Trying to clear up the timeline a little

Disclaimer that basically all of this is gonna be my own deduction, so take it with a grain of salt. Anyways, first, let's clarify how time works here.

In 18LOH, there is only one True Timeline. Other timelines exist due to the effects of Skills, but they aren't relevant right now, all we care about is the True Timeline.

Within the True Timeline, the past, present and future exist simultaneously. This is how the Ninth can obtain Future Chen Ran's Liar Killer and give it to her created [Future Chen Ran].

(Conspiracy theory starts here, yes the timeline is that miserable):

If I'm correct, the True Timeline doesn't start from the beginning of time or anything. Instead, the True Timeline's origin point was the node where the Ninth's existence was determined. From then on, as a version of the Ninth existed within the True Timeline, she could start changing the past.

The node is probably when Supreme Goodness is Like Water started his plan to determine the True Self players, but nothing's confirmed, so I won't expand on that. Instead, I'll start talking about the past of the True Timeline, or more precisely, about how the past is immutable.

The story states that Omnipotent hid his True Timeline past amongst an innumerable number of timelines, making it impossible to find and kill him, but logically speaking, this isn't the case. Outside of One, there is no restriction on the number of True Self players that can exist in non-True Timelines, so it should be possible for a similarly innumerable number of—say, Zhang Fans—to find and kill him. Therefore, considering how the internal thoughts aren't very reliable at times, we can conclude that this is a lie.

This must mean that the past is immutable, but then, how would the Ninth arrange Chen Yang, her reincarnations, and for her [Future Chen Ran] to participate in the sealing of Zhang Fan? I think I have an answer for that too.

The past is immutable, but the future isn't. Imagine the time of the Ninth's creation node is A. When Meta-Time reaches point A, in the future of the True Timeline, the Ninth is born at theoretical point X. From then on, as Meta-Time is only at point A, points B to Z are still considered the future of the True Timeline, meaning the Ninth is free to change point B as she sees fit.

This should be able to explain all of the Ninth's past meddlings, and explain why she's not meddling more. The novel mainly follows Meta-Time, and so it's no longer possible to change the past. Otherwise, I can't see a reason why the Ninth wouldn't mess around with the True Timeline.

Note that the mechanism that stops the past from being changed is likely a restriction of the Ninth's Skill, which is why it's always her who's the one to fix things. This is sorta based on her saying that "this is the [Future] layer" when she met Future Chen Ran. Presumably, the incredibly messy True Timeline is a creation of her Skill, and so its maintainence is also part of her Skill.

However, this does raise a question of "Why did Omnipotent try to kill CR in the Novice instance, when with this theory it would be impossible?" The answer's pretty simple, he wasn't. His existence in the Novice instance led to CR earning an unnatural amount of points, which became the basis for Gui Yu creation in Hua Changsheng's instance. In other words, that was his real purpose.

There's also the issue of his descent in Hua Changsheng's instance being stated to "only have the purpose of confirming the Ninth's survival", but that one doesn't really make sense at all. His descent in the Novice Instance already confirmed that, so my guess is that the narration lied again by abusing the ••• spacing to make it look like the statement referred to his descent in Hua Changsheng's instance, when in reality it referred to something else.

Not only that, but his descent also was the catalyst to CR being able beat Shu Renjun without Ghost Immortal Joy, so unless we're saying that Omnipotent is stupid and got manipulated, he must've had that as a secondary purpose.

There's not much to add after this, aside from the fact that Meta-Time's progression cannot be stopped. Assuming this theory is correct, pretty much every single confusing bit about the timeline can be explained, and I can't think of one that can't at the moment.

Now if you'll excuse me, imma rest my brain a bit. If you find an issue or have any questions, feel free to comment them, I'll answer it best I can.

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u/JohnKonami — 6 days ago
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Can Chen ran solve cicada 3301?

if you dont know what that is its basically the most famous and hardest internet puzzle you can google it for more information.

u/Leather_Coyote_9077 — 9 days ago
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Which SCD character would perform the best if they woke up in Sinful Hospital with absolutely zero prep?

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Conditions:

- They wake up in the exact same position as Chen Ran.

- They inherit all of Chen Ran's initial knowledge (the rules, lies, skills, and everything he knew upon entering the instance), but nothing beyond that.

- No prior knowledge of future events or other participants beyond what Chen Ran initially had.

- No outside help or external resources.

- They retain all of their canonical intelligence, abilities, and personality.

- The objective is to survive and successfully clear the instance.

I'm less interested in characters who would simply trivialize the scenario and more interested in those who would make for an interesting debate.

A lot of SCD discussions revolve around prep and planning, but Sinful Hospital is one of those arcs where your initial plan gets destroyed almost immediately. You have to continuously gather information, update your beliefs, manipulate people, and survive under extreme uncertainty. It feels like one of the best scenarios for testing adaptability, information control, composure, and decision-making under pressure.

So who do you think performs the best here?

And more importantly, who gets exposed the hardest once they're forced to improvise instead of relying on elaborate planning?

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u/Physical-Present-302 — 7 days ago

Regarding the cycle of five virtues

In the cycle of five virtues game, initially Spleen represents earth, Qin dynasty represents water so Chen Ran jumps on that, now earth generates metal, and earth destroys water, so these two cannot be jumped on. Chen ran reasons that Qin is ok as it was the first dynasty to follow Zou Yan's doctrine. I don't seen how this is anything but a dangerous guess as it doesn't really matter if Qin came first if the danger is earth. But it turns out the danger was fire and it was reasoned wrong, isn't it pure luck they didn't get burnt?

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u/Smart-Bird4731 — 7 days ago

I have no fucking idea what the fuck is going on in this arc

Okay so I have been reading the sinful hospital arc and when Di Wu Zhi Yi and chen ran again go on the subway for the 2 nd time and there are 20 more people there , I am not fucking understanding anything the name changes and what not and that ancient site meteorite arc what the fuck is happening can anyone explain ???

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u/Physical-Present-302 — 8 days ago

Help me in understanding this

So I just finished chapter 17 of the novel, and the translations are very weird so I got confused. My confusion specifically comes from the rock paper scissors game. I didn't understand anything about it. So it would be great if someone could explain it to me.

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u/nikhil12nikhil12 — 8 days ago

Is Qiu Yinong still alive in the current chapters ??

So I am currently reading the sinful hospital arc and I wanted to ask is Qiu Yinong still chen ran' s teammate in the current chapters ?? Cause I was wondering

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u/Physical-Present-302 — 10 days ago

Knowledge check: Is this statement a lie.

The statement is "That murderer, John Grant, will definitely go to Hell when he dies." This statement is said in the main Eighteenth Layer, and John Grant indeed is a murderer.

I hate common sense. I genuinely have no idea how CR and QY survived even half a second in the Eighteenth Layer before reaching Ego state of mind.

Edit: Note that John Grant is a living person.

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u/JohnKonami — 9 days ago

Chapter 842 lol

Did we switch genres offscreen? Why did my intellect battle novel suddenly turn into a magic battle novel? I mean, we've seen flashy Skill usages before, but this is the first time (Zhang Fan barely counts) we've seen instakill kills being flung around like it's nothing.

I mean, the initial encounter with Yue Guanshan was sorta like this, but at least Yue Guanshan fought with No Distance and the Skill usage was simple. Plus, there was still an element of planning and strategy there, like with them trying to evade Traceless Snow Steps. And even then, the Skills used weren't fatal on their own.

It's just really funny.

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u/JohnKonami — 9 days ago

Chen Ran still has Black hair btw

The white hair part was an allusion to the fact that Chen Ran has changed his appearance to the white haired Jiang Zhe. Chen ran still has black hair canonically

u/Simply_Amazing_1610 — 12 days ago

Which True Self Player does each of Jiang Zhe's skills correspond to?

Mostly just doing this because I'm bored, here are my personal guesses.

  1. Reincarnation Emperor Seal: Omnipotent.

1.5: I mean, it's pretty obvious that Omnipotent is the one who interfered with Chen Yang's split personalities, so it's quite likely that he's the core of Jiang Zhe's Skill. Saint's Skill sure isn't despite the name, so there's no other options anyways.

  1. Reverse Future: Ultimate Annihilation.

2.5: No, I don't care that every character until now has said that it corresponds to Eternal Kingdom, the name and effect is so incredibly Ultimate Annihilation coded. I mean, I get their logic, this is indeed one of the baseline effects of Eternal Kingdom, but I refuse to believe it.

  1. Immovable Wisdom King: One.

3.5: And this is the other reason why I think Reverse Future corresponds to Ultimate Annihilation. "Immovable", "King" and being unaffected by Skills is extremely Eternal Kingdom coded.

  1. Extreme Imprint: Saint.

4.5: Pretty obvious, this is one of Saint's abilities. Kinda odd that this got transferred one-to-one, but I guess that because Jiang Zhe is a split personality of Saint, he gets special privileges.

  1. Nine Bends of the Yellow River: Supreme Goodness is Like Water.

5.5: The name is based off of the Nine-Bend Yellow River array from Investiture of the Gods, which includes, among other things, the three paths of Daoism, Taoism and Confucianism. The effect and actual array doesn't really align with Confucianism though, and Daoism isn't one of the Ten Extremes, so Taoism it must be. Therefore, this skill corresponds to Supreme Goodness is Like Water (probably).

  1. Unnamed Space/Causality Skill: Either Unity of Heaven and Man or Primordial Limitless.

5.5: Unity of Heaven and Man is more of a gut feeling thing tbh, based mostly on subverting expectation. It's most likely just Primordial Limitless.

When are we gonna see Jiang Zhe's other Skills I wonder.

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u/JohnKonami — 14 days ago