Trying to understand how refiner fees actually work, what am I paying for, and does the fee move with spot?

I’ve got a pile of scrap and sterling silver I’m thinking about sending to a refiner instead of selling piece by piece, and I want to understand the mechanics before I commit rather than just accepting whatever number they quote me.

A few things I’m unclear on:

Does the fee scale with the silver price? If spot goes from 60 to 90, am I paying a proportionally bigger fee, or is the cost mostly fixed so the effective percentage drops when prices are high?

Is timing just “sell when spot is high,” or do refiners widen their spread during price spikes when everyone’s dumping? Basically, does a high spot partly get eaten by worse terms?

Anyone in Europe (Belgium specifically) dealt with the bigger refiners or the smaller regional ones? Curious how VAT is handled on the payout side too.

Thankstrying to learn the background rather than just get a number.

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u/Ok_Distribution_4785 — 19 hours ago
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Talk me out of melting Grandma’s forks (you can’t buy bread with a silver spoon)

Sitting on quite a lot of 800 and 900 flatware. Estate stuff.

Local refinery offers 77% of spot. So a quarter of my metal evaporates before the box even leaves my apartment. Then I turn around and buy coins at a premium over spot. I’m paying the spread twice, in both directions, like an idiot in a currency exchange booth at an airport.

Why I want to do it anyway: forks aren’t money. If governments keep printing and things actually get ugly, nobody is handing me a loaf of bread for a salad fork. A recognizable 1oz coin is liquid, divisible, and every dealer on the continent knows what it is. Flatware is cutlery with a melt value and a vibe.

Why I’m stalling: 77% feels like being mugged by someone who says please. And if silver rips, the flatware rips with it, so there’s no actual deadline here except my own impatience.
What I’d love input on:
• Has anyone negotiated above 77%? What’s the best percentage you’ve gotten, and from what kind of buyer?
• Am I overthinking the melt-then-buy spread, or is that genuinely just the toll for turning junk silver into real silver?

Roast me, I can take it. I’ve already been roasted by the refinery.

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Pair of silver-plated salt shakers

Hi everyone. I can’t find what this hallmark is from. Anyone go a clue. I suspect it to be french?

u/Ok_Distribution_4785 — 25 days ago