u/OneThen2692

This is a really interesting phenomenon I've observed and I'm just wondering where this assumption comes from.

You see someone criticizing (or maybe even just inquiring) about a soceital dynamic or something people do and sometimes people jump to;

Isn't that what you're doing right now?

Okay but do you actually xyz?

Trying to point out the hypocricy

Why is it not possible to recognize that your survival is dependent on systems that have little integrity, so sometiems just to get by you will also be forced out of that integrity (Sometimes without even realizing) but still being able to say; that's not good, that's not how it should be. We're all doing something here that we could have a look at maybe.

Is there any explanation for why and how this assumption developed?

I feel like this is such big thing for me currently. I usually get my intuition from societal dynamics. Like an animal sensing other animals freaking out before a storm or something. So sometime around last year it started that I felt other people were acting very weird (including and not least myself), societal dynamics changing. I got a sense that things would be going very sideways from this year on and I guess in many ways that's what's happening. Climate, geopolitical instability etc.

When I hear about the more measurable predictions based in math and science about future events it always worries me that they are way too conservative and that for example NT types may have a blind spot for more complex societal dynamics and underestimate just how volatile and unpredictable people actually are and how much they can steer future events a certain way.

So when my intuition tells me something like "there will be a bigger collapse at x time because yz" how much do you trust your intuition about things like this? And if you do, do you talk about it to people or do you keep it to yourself?

Where does the pride in precise predictions come from that don't seem to do anything for our survival in the grand scheme of things? It seems to create a false sense of accomplishment.

It seems that the kind of predictions we make (mathematical) completely disregard the component of human subjectivity. It treats living things as variables that can be managed. But if people (or other alive things) aren't actually objects but subjects those predictions seem to become useless in the grand scheme of things.

For example you can say; Look, we predicted climate change very acurately and precisely! But that doesn't really change anything because it didn't consider that humans have widely different survival strategies that ultimately can't be controlled.

So really the only valuable prediction was this one;

When the last tree has been cut down, the last fish caught, and the last river poisoned, only then will we realize that one cannot eat money.

After that, we really didn't need any more detailed predictions. Just wisdom.

Humans didn't have to adapt much to macro-scale enviornments for the past 10k years due to a stable climate. Instead we adapted by exploiting ressources to build a microcosm that we then kept adapting to. The fragility of this microcosm and the absolute faith in the inevitability of it lasting seems to be bordering absurdity and delusion at this point.

Currently, if you look anywhere outside, you see plant and animal life either dying or undergoing a rapid evolution that you can watch happening in front of your eyes.

The fact that humans don't think it necessary to do this right now and think they can still hold out trying to exploit the last remaining ressources is worrying.

What is the main driving factor behind this? Too much self-awareness? Too much ego? Are we actually not capable of that kind of macro-scale evolution anymore?