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I've been thinking about another part of cannabis history that seems surprisingly badly documented: what a lot of these strains and cuts actually looked like.

There are thousands of photos scattered across Reddit, old forums, dead image hosts, Seedfinder, etc., but they're usually disconnected from any real provenance.

So I thought it might be interesting to try this as a community thing.

Post an original photo that you took yourself of a strain/cut you think is worth documenting, together with whatever you know about it:

• strain/cut name
• breeder/source if known
• roughly when the photo was taken
• where the plant/cut came from, if you know
• anything else relevant to its identity

And importantly: everyone else is encouraged to question it.

If somebody posts something as the original Triangle Kush, Chem D, Arcata Trainwreck, an old Haze cut, etc., I'd actually like people who know those lines to say whether they agree, disagree, or have additional history.

The point isn't to vote something into being "true". It's to collect the evidence and discussion around it.

I'm building Origenetica, a cannabis genetics/history archive, and where a submitted photo has decent provenance, I'd like to preserve some of these there as well.

That part would be opt-in. If you own the photograph and are happy for it to be used on the corresponding Origenetica strain/cut page, just say something like:

"Origenetica may use this photo with credit to u/[username]."

Otherwise, the picture stays part of this discussion only.

No need for professional photos either. An old 2007 grow-room photo of a known cut with good provenance is probably more historically useful than a perfect studio shot. Pictures of blooming plants and flower closeups are preferred, obviously.

I'm especially interested in old clone-only cuts, discontinued breeder lines, and genetics that don't have much reliable photographic documentation left, but all genuine pics are welcome with proper provenance.

Let's see what turns up.

I've been thinking about something beyond whether seeds will still be obtainable after the Hemp bill goes into effect later this year.

I suspect the genetics themselves will largely survive. Cannabis breeding existed underground long before the current seed market. Breeders will adapt, seeds will be passed around, people will make reproductions, and cuts will keep circulating. The attachment to this plant runs deep, and a lot of work will simply continue privately or locally.

What worries me more is the information attached to those genetics.

Right now, a huge amount of cannabis breeding history lives in surprisingly fragile places: breeder websites, product pages, seedbank listings, Instagram posts, old forum threads, packaging, catalogues, and people’s memories. When a breeder goes private, shuts down, or removes their catalogue, those sources start disappearing with them. (Archive.org offers only fragments at best)

A few years later someone might still have seeds labelled Strain X but it becomes much harder to establish whether they are the original release, an F3 reproduction, an S1 of a specific selection, or someone else’s remake under the same name. The genetics survived. The provenance did not.

I’ve run into this constantly while building Origenetica, a cannabis genetics and breeder-history archive. Reconstructing an active catalogue is relatively straightforward. Reconstructing one after the website has vanished can turn into archaeological work surprisingly quickly.

We’re already seeing breeders and seedbanks reconsider how they will operate after November (Mt Zion Seeds, for example, has said it will end operations).

So I’m curious what people here think:

Which breeders, catalogues, strains, or pieces of breeding history do you feel are most at risk of disappearing? Especially interested in smaller or older projects whose work isn’t well documented elsewhere.

And if you have old catalogues, pack photos, screenshots, archived pages, lineage notes, or first-hand knowledge sitting on a hard drive somewhere, don’t assume that information exists somewhere else. It might not.

While doing my research, I came across several strains that were labeled 'psychedelic'.

One of the clearest patterns I encountered almost immediately is the frequency with which Haze-derived and tropical cannabis populations appear among strains described as psychedelic, trippy, or unusually perceptual.

ACE Seeds alone provides numerous examples, including Golden Tiger, Panama Haze, Haze × Kali China, Honduras × Panama, Kerala Chellakutti, Killer A5 Haze, Kullu, Thai × Panama and Zamaldelica.

Similar examples occur elsewhere.

Cosmic Wisdom Seeds has Neville's Hindu Haze. Hyp3rids has released lines such as Bouillon Haze, Colombian Gold Legacy Edition, Kona Gold IBL and Lava Haze. Silverback Genetics includes Australian Haze, Blood Haze, C5 BC and Espíritu de Oaxaca.

Older or geographically rooted populations also repeatedly appear in this group. Examples include Burmese, Highland Lao, Kerala and Odisha from The Real Seed Company; Kirivong, Ko Chang and Kroeng Krawia from Zomia Collective; and historical lines associated with Thai, Oaxacan, and Burmese ancestry.

The pattern becomes more interesting when modern hybrids are considered.

Strains recorded with psychedelic-type descriptions include Platinum Tiger Cookies from AlpinStash, Frozen Black Cherry from Anesia Seeds, Sour Chiesel from Big Buddha Seeds, Cherry Gar-See-Ya from Ethos Genetics, Exotic Biscotti from Exotic Seed, Gazzurple from Humboldt Seed Company, XXX OG from Maven Genetics, Peanut Butter Apricot from Staefli Farms Genetics and Nova Cane from Team Elite Genetics.

Other examples span very different breeding programs:

Bodhi Seeds: Laughing Lemon, Zap
Freeworld Genetics: Delhi Dog, Dog Whisperer, Goat Killer, Jam Sandwich, Red Dawn
Dynasty Genetics: Huckleberry DesTar, Ms. Universe
Pura Mana Pakalolo: Galactica, Puna Buddaz
Snow High Seeds: 3x Purple, Kaleidos Dope
Kingdom Organic Seeds: Cindy Congo, Riff Raff Thai
Maha Kala Seeds: Acid Beauty, Asian Neville, New Caledonia #4 Haze

The diversity is substantial, but so is the repeated appearance of Haze, Southeast Asian, Central American, South American and African ancestry within the wider group.