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Lilies and cats: the vase water and pollen are toxic too, and waiting until morning can be too late

I knew lilies were bad for cats in the vague way everyone sort of knows it. Then I actually read through what the FDA and Purdue's vet school say about it and realized I had about half of it wrong. Here's the rest.

It's not just chewing the flowers. The whole plant is toxic, stem, leaves, petals, pollen, and the water in the vase. Purdue's wording is that licking a few pollen grains off their fur while grooming, or drinking the vase water, can be enough to cause fatal kidney failure in under three days. Think about where a cat's face goes when there's a fresh bouquet on the counter. Yeah.

"Lily" also covers a bunch of plants that aren't the same problem at all. The kidney failure ones are true lilies and daylilies, so Easter, Stargazer, Tiger, Asiatic, Oriental, and the orange daylilies a lot of people have growing in the yard. Peace lilies and calla lilies aren't actually lilies. They irritate the mouth and cause drooling, which is unpleasant but a different thing. Lily of the valley isn't a true lily either, and that one's its own emergency because it affects the heart. So "is my lily safe" really depends on which one you've got.

This one surprised me. It's basically a cat-only problem. Dogs that eat lilies can get an upset stomach but they don't get the kidney failure, and per Purdue the actual toxin still hasn't been identified. So if you grew up with dogs and lilies in the house and nothing ever happened, that's why, and it doesn't carry over to a cat.

The timing is what I'd want everyone to remember. Early signs are vague. Quieter than usual, drooling, throwing up, not eating, anywhere from minutes to about 12 hours after. Around 12 to 24 hours in you can see more peeing and dehydration as the kidneys get hit. And the FDA says if treatment is delayed 18 hours or more, the cat will generally have irreversible kidney failure.

Which means the normal instinct, she threw up once, let's see how she is tomorrow, is exactly the wrong move here. With most things that's reasonable. With lilies the waiting is what does the damage.

If you even suspect it, call your vet or a pet poison line right away, and take the plant or a photo of it so they can tell which kind it is. Early treatment makes a huge difference.

Also, apparently cats that have never shown any interest in plants can just start one day, so "she ignores the flowers" isn't really protection. The vets' advice is pretty much if you have a cat, don't bring true lilies into the house at all.

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u/Pookii_pets — 12 days ago
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Almost did this myself today, so sharing in case it saves someone else the scare.

I keep seeing dogs get caught out by this one, so here's a reminder that might save someone a very bad day.

Xylitol is a sugar-free sweetener that's harmless to us but genuinely dangerous to dogs. In dogs it triggers a rapid insulin release, which can crash their blood sugar within 10 to 60 minutes, and in some cases it causes liver failure (and those signs can be delayed a day or two). Even small amounts can be enough.

The reason so many dogs get caught out is that it hides, both in unexpected products and under unfamiliar names.

Names to recognise on a label: xylitol, birch sugar, wood sugar, or E967.

Where it turns up: sugar-free gum (the single most common cause of poisoning), mints and sugar-free sweets, some peanut butters, baked goods, chewable vitamins and some medicines, and even toothpaste and mouthwash.

The peanut butter one catches the most people out, because we deliberately give dogs peanut butter, in a Kong or to hide a pill. Most big-brand peanut butters are completely fine, but some "sugar-free", "no added sugar", protein or health-food versions contain xylitol, so it's worth a ten-second label check before it becomes a habit.

If your dog does eat something with xylitol in it: don't wait for symptoms. Because it acts so fast, the advice is to get to a vet straight away rather than watch and hope.

None of this is meant to put anyone off sharing the odd treat, it's just one of those things that's easy to miss and awful when it goes wrong.

Genuinely curious though: did you already know about the "birch sugar" naming? And has anyone found xylitol lurking somewhere unexpected? Could be useful for others to know which products to watch for.

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u/Pookii_pets — 2 months ago

What's something you noticed about a dog that the owner had absolutely no idea about?

Groomer told me once that she's usually the first to feel a lump, months before anyone at home notices, just because she's got both hands over every inch of the dog every few weeks. Owners see their dog every day so they miss the slow changes, but she's seeing it fresh each time with her hands not just her eyes.

Made me realize groomers probably clock a huge amount that never gets mentioned. The ear that's started to smell, the weight that's crept on, the coat texture changing, the flinch on one hip that wasn't there last time.

What's the thing you've noticed on the table that the owner had no clue about? And do you usually say something, or does it depend?

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u/Pookii_pets — 3 months ago

The thing clients never tell you that would have changed the whole appointment

Been thinking about this after a conversation with a groomer in Essex.

She said the stuff that actually wrecks a booking is almost never on the form. Not the breed or the coat type, that's usually fine. It's things like the dog was bitten by another dog at the park six weeks ago, or he's been on steroids since March, or the last groomer used a dryer and he's been frightened of them since. Owners don't withhold it, it just never occurs to them that it's grooming information.

Her point was that she gets told most of it eventually, usually about forty minutes in, at which point she's already made the decisions she'd have made differently.

Curious whether that matches other people's experience. What's the thing you find out halfway through that you'd have wanted at the door?

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u/Pookii_pets — 3 months ago