u/Practical_Midnight87

My picks are “Edge of the Earth”, “Stay”, “Hit it From the Back”, “News/Flock”, and “In the End”.

I think bro would’ve done sum red shi, or probably purple

I’m talking from the Manga, to the novels, to the Databook statements, to the Storm Games, to other cannon sources… Does Sasori actually lose?

From everything I know about Sasori, if he goes all out… he might actually get VERY close to winning, way more close than Deidara imo, but Sasuke with his lightning style, especially with other things up his sleeve like snakes replacing his limbs, Manda, Kirin, Fire-style better and more hotter than Itachi’s, and more.

Who do YOU got your money on (happy to debate in the comments)?

The form alone EMITS aura, and I find it to be more hyped and rare when he transforms into this state instead of other states like SO6P mode, KCM, or any other V2 or V1.

The Sage Mode itself grants Naruto extreme power like an insane 10x boost granted to all physical stats being strength, speed, durability, and even an added sensory/reaction speed.

It’s insane, and this state should be talked about more.

I’ve been seeing this debate go around in comments, and people think that since Taka Sasuke has a MS, he is better than Hebi Sasuke in every way possible. It’s not true.

Taka Sasuke is just stated to be HEAVILY weakened and fatigued because he lost the recovery abilities from Ororchimaru, lost the curse mark, and hasn’t fully healed from his fight with Itachi.

Taka Sasuke is running on fumes, and to add to ALL of that, he can’t even use the susano yet, nor does he have a perfect control over his Amaterasu/Kagutsuchi.

He can’t even use as many jutsu as Hebi Sasuke without burning out chakra, as seen with Hebi Sasuke, he could spam snake summons, the Sharigan Genjutsu, Firestyle Jutsu, Kirin, and I kid you not 9 Chidori in just one fight.

Taka Sasuke is more relative to Post-Resanshuriken training Naruto, someone who is relative, if not, stronger than a Kakashi who’s getting used to using the MS and the sharingan as a whole, and could’ve even killed Kakazu in his strongest form by himself if Naruto didn’t arrive to finish the job.

That same Naruto who beat Kakazu in his strongest form still admits inferiority to Base, 3T Sasuke (BEFORE the Orochimaru ability amps btw), so Hebi Sasuke is just leagues stronger than Taka Sasuke, a proven fact to be honest.

Many people debate if Naruto learned anything over timeskip, so I’m gonna provide feats and statements on WHY I think he did.

First, one of the reasons he probably didn’t learn as much over the 2 years is because Jiraiya has been non-stop training him on trying to master the 9 Tail’s chakra. If Naruto learned that, he would exceed to a new level that would’ve surpassed Sasuke’s training, unfortunately he couldn’t even get to V2.

Second, Naruto was also very… behind in a sense because he didn’t know basic stuff a ninja should know because hasn’t had proper training on how to do that basic stuff, so majority of his time was also spent doing that.

Anyways, Naruto still did come back A LOT stronger than his Part 1 self and even some part 1 villains.

We know from Kakashi in their rematch of the bell test fight, Naruto was able to keep up and react to Kakashi on multiple occasions, even one time getting the drop on Kakashi better than Sakura could.

This made Kakashi not think of Naruto and Sakura as his students anymore, but now his comrades that can stand with him on equal-footing.

Of course Kakahsi is still over the level of Naruto and Sakura, even his hand weaving speed being far over what they can perceive, but their not “student” level anymore if you want to call it that.

This is even expanded more on in the storm games (which are cannon), showing Kakashi use the 3T Sharigan on the duo of Naruto and Sakura. Naruto managing to even dodge water dragon jutsu and fireball jutsu despite Kakashi’s hand weaving speed, and he doesn’t even need to Kyubi to use the Giant Resangon.

There is a feat of Naruto literally using his Multi-Shadow Clone Jutsu to bombard a large Water Dragon Jutsu from Kakashi.

These same Water Dragon Jutsu could probably do serious damage to Zabuza, or even match his own water style jutsu, and BOS Kakashi is stronger than his Shippuden self.

Naruto also can utilize the 9 Tail’s chakra, just to a an extent.

He was stated to only lose complete consciousness when he exceeds over the 3T forms, so he could probably fight with the consciousness of knowing who the enemy is instead of recklessly attacking his comrades, at least in the 1 to 2T states (3T form is debatable).

Naruto can also perfect utilize the KN0 form on his own, which does get him a massive boost over his Base Form, coming with an increase in stats to the point he can literally halt the movements of 100 feet snake summons from Orochimaru with his bare hands.

To talk more about what he can do in his V1 state it that he can form massive chakra hands from his V1 cloak, this same V1 cloak can let him extend and these chakra hands and even confuses the Sharingan’s perception, even on the level of a 3T Sharingan.

It also adds a layer of defense, shown by how Naruto could tank Massive Fireball Jutsu from Sasuke with no damage, and even tank getting flung across the valley by CM2 state Sasuke’s wing.

This also means he can perform Resangon like the Vermillion Resangon, which is just generally stronger than the standard Resangon and probably the Giant Resangon.

Naruto in these states doesn’t even need a clone to help make the Resangons, with the Resangon being based off the Biju Damas, Karuma’s chakra already knows the basics to making it, so that allowed Naruto to easily do it with one hand, at least in that state.

Naruto in his base is still undoubtedly a powerhouse, being relative to Sai in power, possibly even slightly stronger.

His training in the Akatsuki Suppression Arc further shown his own power, and we got extra information on Naruto, having 4x more chakra than Kakashi.

Kakashi being stated all through Part 1 to be an Elite Jonin who is the strongest Jonin in Konoha, and was stated to be one of the strongest Ninja in the village.

He was even recommended for the Kage spot in Part 1, and that’s only for the ninja who hail as the strongest on the village.

Naruto also has shown the feat in his training during the Akatsuki Suppression Arc to literally walk up to an standard Oak Tree and take ALL of the leaves off of it to give to each of his clones to try to use Wind Release to cut it in half.

I kid you not, this is the most INSANE and UNDERRATED feat in Naruto, because Oak Tree leaf amount ranges between 200,000 to 700,000, some even reaching 1,000,000, and Naruto can summon this many clones in his BASE, but even if we lowball that, he can still summon up to 5000 (which he can already do) to 50,000 clones.

This isn’t even counting that he can summon Gamabunta, who’s a low biju level threat/summon. Being able to compete with summons like Manda, who can survive Deidara’s C0 blast head first (although he didn’t tank the COMPLETE blast, y’all get the point).

BOS Naruto is over Part 1 Kakashi and many other Part 1 villains in my opinion.

I’m happy to debate in the comments.

To this day, I think Hebi Sasuke is still pretty underrated. He was stated and shown to stand hand and shoulders over Team 7, showing the different paths of what they’ve chosen. Sasuke was literally able to perception blitz Team 7. Sure, you can make arguments about Team 7 being exhausted, mostly because Naruto just got done using V2, Sakura was bruised and weakened by the V2 cloak’s poison, and Yamato just got done restraining 4T Naruto.

This van still be obviously argued in Sasuke’s favor still, shown by how he obviously wasn’t even trying (his face expressions change in different fights, shown by how he’s more serious in the Itachi and Deidara fights), he didn’t use his 3T Sharigan, no CM, and not even mostly a killing intent, and it’s stated that in the Naruto/Boruto universe fighting without killing intent and weaken the user, like their attacks being weaker, or taking recoil from their own attacks. This is insanely impressive, especially when Naruto and Sakura are described as comrades aside BOS Kakashi instead of students, and Yamato is stated to be on par with Kakashi, and Sai being relative to Naruto, stated by Danzo.

Sasuke defeating Yamato is very impressive, and his Chidori Kusanagi Blade being described as IMPOSSIBLE to block, and that it’s much different and most likely stronger than Orochimaru’s own blade. Orochimaru’s blade being a strong enough material to compete with Adamantine from Enma’s staff form, so much that it left bruises on Enma, even though Enma’s staff form could protect Hiruzen from Weakened Edo Hashirama’s wood jutsu. Sasuke could even avoid and counter that very same wood jutsu in that of Yamato. Of course Yamato also might not be on the level of a Weakened Edo Hashirama, shown by how that same Hashirama’s wood release is multiple times stronger than either Tobirama’s or Hiruzen’s ninjutsu. Yamato tried trapping this base Sasuke in a wood release barrier larger than the wood that held down 4T Naruto, and Sasuke simply jumped out of it.

This same Sasuke, before the Orochimaru amps, was stated to be FAR above 3T Naruto’s level. Even it coming out of Orochimaru’s own mouth that 3T Naruto doesn’t even compare to power Sasuke has. 3T Naruto was described as even a threat to most people in the world, even 2T Naruto made Kakashi start worrying. This same Base, Holding back, 3T Sasuke is over Resanshuriken Naruto, who was stated to be relative to Kakashi after even being told he couldn’t use the Resanshuriken again. That same Naruto used his clones to train for over 9,800 hours (400 days), and Naruto had to beat even Kakazu in probably his strongest form that Kakashi was thinking on using the Kamui on to even WANT to reach Sasuke’s level, and the Sasuke he’s thinking off isn’t even the Peak Hebi Sasuke at his serious form.

This same Sasuke would go on to be multiple levels over Suigetsu and Jogo, being able to literally speed blitz them with his large Hidden snakes, Binding Snake Glare Spell. These Snakes are probably faster than his own movement, and they can either restrain, squeeze the enemy to unconscious, or even use their fangs to inject poison in the enemy.

To put it short, Hebi Sasuke is relative/slightly stronger than the 3T, 5KS Sasuke who fought V1 Ay4 to a standstill until he had to pull out the MS (that’s when that Sasuke surpasses Hebi Sasuke entirely). The Liger Bomb Sasuke was about to get with by Ay4 is something Ay4 could’ve countered with his Binding Snakes that can inject poison.

Hebi Sasuke is underrated in the community, and he should be in more versus battle and analysis debates.

If you care to debate in the comments, I’m happy to.

I believe Anbu Kakashi wins because of simple chain scaling. He’s a captain over Mukai (and being a captain over someone in the Anbu likely refers to power), and Mukai is over the duo of 13 year old Shisui and 11 year Old Itachi (the duo was the strongest thing in the Uchiha, even over Fugaku), and that duo is over Fugaku.

Fugaku is over Massacre/Early Akatsuki Itachi, who was so strong that Part 1 Orochimaru (who is stated to be relative to Hiruzen btw) even considers himself under him still and never considered going after him again. That same Part 1 Oro is likely over the Oro that fought 4T Naruto in Part 2, so Anbu Kakashi should likely win via Genjutsu, Chidori attacks, or some other jutsu from his 1000 Jutsu bag.

Anyways, Anbu Kakashi wins High Diff.

Kakashi already at young age in the Academy was insanely strong, being able to graduate at just fhe age of 5. You can of course make an argument about Kakashi graduating early because they needed ninja for the war, but you would have to consider that for everyone else like Obito, who only graduated at 9, the same time Kakashi graduated who was still only 5. More evidence by how Kakashi graduated due to his own talent is because of his father being Sakumo Hatake, one of the few ninja in the series stated to be over the Sanin.

Kakashi then managed to compete in the Chunin exams with his older teammates and other older kids with him likely carrying, seen in the manga by how he could easily compete against someone like Guy and win, but Obito got soloed by him. Guy had taijutsu and strength on an insane level because that’s the only thing he trained in, and the fact a 6 year old Kakashi beat that (likely) 10 year old Guy says how impressive Kakashi is, and he then managed to become a Chunin.

Genin, Chunin, and Jonin in the Leaf village are considered and shown to be multiple times stronger than other Genin, Chunin, and Jonin from other villages. This is evident by how a Genin Sasuke managed to beat two high Chunin threats (the Demon Brothers) with ease, and this 6 year old Kakashi could likely do the same, and he’s either relative, if not, over Iruka and Mizuki’s level, two Chunin level opponents. Sasuke during the bell test was also stated by Kakashi to coming on/on that Chunin tier already, and this same 6 year old Kakashi is likely on bell test Sasuke’s level, or early LOW Sasuke (who could go into hand to hand combat with Haku without his mirrors).

Then Kakashi grew up and became a Jonin around 10, stated to be one of the foremost (meaning strongest, and while Jonin Minato was active btw) Jonin in Konoha, and by this time he already mastered two A-rank Jutsu (Resangon and Chidori), being light speed with Chidori active, and he likely has 2 chakra natures (stated by how Kakashi in Shippuden said one of the requirements to being a Jonin is to have at least 2 chakra natures).

This is Kakashi before the Sharigan btw, and he is one of the strongest Jonin in Konoha during the war. This means this Kid Kakashi would MOP any member of the Konoha 12 at their peak forms in Part 1. He then later gains the Sharigan, and masters it all the way up to a 3T at age 11, then he joins the Anbu at age 12.

He has precog, now can use Chidori properly, light speed (if not, FTL) in combat speed, and more.

Kid Kakashi was on the Elite Jonin level, creeping up on Low Kage, and he is stronger than his Part 1 self.

To be specific, this is Massacre/Early Akatsuki Itachi and Peak MS Shisui.

Rounds:

Round 1: versus Ay4, Darui, and C

Round 2: versus Garra, Temari, and Kankuro

Round 3: versus Mei, Chojiro, Mifune, and Onoki

Round 4: versus Danzo

My opinion:

They clear in my opinion with Shisui mostly carrying, but I’m happy to see you guys opinion and see if I can argue against it.

It’s finally time to end this forsaken and ongoing debate. This is by far one of the most debated versus battles that still has the fandom divided on who wins, but I’m here today to tell you who truly wins.

One thing I want to clarify before we start is that people are gonna mention that Deidara already said that Sasori is stronger, this shouldn’t be debatable.

What Deidara actually said was “I’m sure I shouldn’t say this, but… Sasori is stronger than I… PROBABLY… Yeah.” He also only said this to convince Kakashi into turning around to go jump Sasori with Sakura and Chiyo so HE would have an easier time capturing Naruto because he knew he was already stronger than Naruto. Plus, Naruto was fighting with lots of rage instead of strategy.

To even add on to that, Deidara himself says that Sasori’s puppets are not even in the same league as his explosions, but I digress.

Now that we’ve gotten that cleared up, Deidara easily destroys the Hiruko puppet by either just straight blitzing it, or destroying it with his Explosive Clay: Twin Birds.

Deidara is on the same speed as a Base Hebi Sasuke, who’s still relative to his BOS speed that perception blitzed Team 7, including Sakura, who could easily destroy the Hiruko puppet without getting poisoned, so Deidara’s good on that part.

The real battle truly begins when Sasori summons the 3rd Kazekage puppet, and the iron sand is going to be a massive problem.

Deidara has enough time and speed to launch in the air and get to flying, but that’s not going to be a problem for Sasori because with the help of the Kazekage puppet, he can also fly.

This is seen by how Sasori can manipulate the Kazekage’s iron sand to create wings, and Sasori can most likely do what Garra can do when he flies by having a platform of sand under him to carry him in the air.

But that still doesn’t explain Sasori’s flying speed, which is likely relative to a BOS Garra flying speed, but Deidara is much, much faster. With him being able to keep up with Onoki’s flying speed in the WA, and Deidara AND Onoki both agreed that Onoki in the WA is both stronger and faster than his Prime self.

This means Sasori is flying at a solid FTL, while Deidara is much higher in the FTL+ ranges.

This also means attacks like Iron Sand: Gathering Assault wouldn’t be able to catch or touch Deidara in the air, Iron Sand: World Method wouldn’t catch or touch Deidara either, and Iron Sand Drizzle could get intercepted by Deidara’s C1 high speed spiders, which was able to intercept the Chidori Senbon from Sasuke (the fastest version of Chidori btw).

Deidara could even use his high speed C1 birds that are even faster than himself (and also a Base, 3T Hebi Sasuke) to blitz and destroy the 3rd Kazekage puppet. This can be done by how easily Sakura did it in their fight, and sure, she got hit a couple times and was being slightly controlled by Chiyo, but Deidara is multiple times stronger than Sakura and actually on the tier of Sasori. Plus, his feats are insane, and his high flight speed carries him by a lot.

Sasori would then admittedly switch to his trump card, that being the 100 puppets and using his own puppet body, but now Sasori is at an disadvantage because he can’t fly anymore, and his puppets can’t reach thousands of feat in the air to Deidara, so their kind of C3 victims now, and Deidara could easily win right here.

But let’s just assume he somehow goes back to the ground (which is not even in character for him to do). Deidara is easily faster than all of the puppets, seen by how Sakura can perfectly react to them and not get hurt, Deidara is a whole blitz tier above her (explained by the Sasuke scaling), so he could just blitz all of the puppets with explosions.

Even if Sasori attacks, Sakura was able to react to him and even destroy his whole puppet body, this means that Deidara is a whole blitz tier above Sasori as well. Meaning Deidara could just spawn a clay clone to be filled with C1 explosions and explode every puppet and Sasori there.

Deidara wins this fight more times than not, probably 8/10 times.

Think about it. He was only 19 when he died. He mastered a unique Kekkei Genkai, went toe-to-toe with Sasuke, captured Gaara on his own turf, and forced Itachi to use Genjutsu immediately. If he actually lived to Kakuzu or Kisame's age, he would have been completely unstoppable. Itachi and Orochimaru get all the hype, but Deidara's growth rate was actually insane. What am I missing here? We can debate in the comments about the arguments of him being higher than people think.