Do Orthodox Christians take Bible verses from the Old Testament literally and interpret them as actual commands from God and historical events?

For example, verses such as Exodus 4:24–26 or Deuteronomy 21:18–21—do you take such verses literally and read them as direct, divine commands, or do you interpret them symbolically and as allegories, as Origen did? Is it permissible to be Orthodox and interpret these verses as the corruption of Israelite priests who held a false image of God, or would that be heresy? Do you view such verses—and the Old Testament is full of them—as legitimate and literally God’s commands? And would it be blasphemy to believe that, if one takes these verses literally, the biblical God cannot possibly be good?

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u/PrometheanNietzsche — 8 days ago

Do Orthodox Christians take Bible verses from the Old Testament literally and interpret them as actual commands from God and historical events?

For example, verses such as Exodus 4:24–26 or Deuteronomy 21:18–21—do you take such verses literally and read them as direct, divine commands, or do you interpret them symbolically and as allegories, as Origen did? Is it permissible to be Orthodox and interpret these verses as the corruption of Israelite priests who held a false image of God, or would that be heresy? Do you view such verses—and the Old Testament is full of them—as legitimate and literally God’s commands? And would it be blasphemy to believe that, if one takes these verses literally, the biblical God cannot possibly be good?

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u/PrometheanNietzsche — 8 days ago

Jesus was never worshiped, and the original Greek text proves that only the Father is God

Trinitarians often argue that Jesus must be divine because he is worshipped in the gospels (which were originally written in Greek) but if we look at the gospels in Greek (which is the original language the the gospel/New Testament was written in), we see that there are 2 terms for worship in Greek, (Latreúō - λατρεύω) and  (Proskyneō - προσκυνέω) and in the entire New Testament only Proskyneo is used for Jesus while for God Lateuo and Proskyneo are used while not even once Latreuo is used for Jesus, Latreuo in Greek means worship and is only used when talking about the worship of God and it is exclusively religious worship, proskyneo on the other hand also means worship but can have several meanings and is not used exclusively for religious worship, for example proskyneo can also simply stand for homage, for example when someone pays homage to a king then proskyneo is used in Greek but never latreuo as latreuo is specifically for religious worship. So when Jesus is worshipped in the gospels it does not mean that he is worshipped because the apostles think he is God but because they pay homage to him as someone would pay homage to a king. For example, Cornelius worships Peter in the New Testament, but it is a sign of respect and homage and not because Cornelius thinks Peter is God,

Acts 10:25-26

KJV: "And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped (proskyneo) him."

The question that now arises is why is the Greek term latreuo used only for God in the Bible, which specifically stands for religious worship, but never used for Jesus, but and only proskyneo is used for Jesus, which can stand for worship but also simply for homage. Here an example, this verse is about the worship of God

Psalm 95:6 (Septuagint): "ἐλάθωντες προσεύξασθαι τῷ Θεῷ τῇ δύναμιν αὐτοῦ."

KJV: "O come, let us worship (latreuo) and bow down: let us kneel before the Lord our maker."

Matthew 14:33 (Greek): "οἱ ἀνθρῶποι δὲ οἱ ἐν τῷ πλοίῳ προσκύνησαν αὐτῷ λέγοντες, ἀληθῶς Θεοῦ Υἱὸς εἶ."

KJV: "Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped (proskyneo) him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God."

So Jesus is not worshipped by the apostles because they think he is God but it is a kind of homage, So the claim that Jesus was worshipped and that means he is therefore God is nonsense and is based on the misunderstanding and misinterpretation of the Greek language.

For example in Arabic 1 name can have several meanings, the Arabic name Faris can mean knight, horseman or cavalier, in Greek the term Proskyneo also has several meanings while the term Latreuo has only one meaning, προσκυνέω (proskyneó):

This word has a wider range of meanings. It can denote both the expression of religious worship (such as prostrating before God) and more general forms of respect or reverence (such as kneeling before a ruler).

λατρεύω (latreúō):

In the New Testament, this word is used almost exclusively in the sense of "to worship God" or "to serve in a religious context". It therefore has a narrower, more specific meaning that refers primarily to the religious worship of God.

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u/PrometheanNietzsche — 11 days ago
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The Demiurge Azazel in Esoteric Shi'a Islam

The Umm al-kitāb (Arabic for Mother of Books) is an 8th-century Islamic-gnostic work, originally written in Arabic. It offers an esoteric hermeneutics regarding humanity, cosmogony, and epistemology within the Qur’anic context. Its content also bears similarities to many pre-Islamic belief systems, such as Manichaeism and Valentinianism. The work centers on a discourse between Muhammad al-Bāqir and some of his disciples regarding the role of humanity in the cosmos. One of the central themes deals with the fall of the angel Azazel, who proclaimed himself a god alongside Allah and was subsequently banished with his followers to ever deeper spheres, losing a color of his soul each time. The material world is subsequently created from the bodies of Azazel’s followers. After humanity succumbs to the sexual temptations of the demons, it finds itself in that material world. Another central figure is Salman, likely based on Salmān al-Fārisī, who is considered the first Persian follower of Muhammad. He assumes the role of God’s representative and confronts his adversary, Azazel.

u/PrometheanNietzsche — 13 days ago
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My Gnostic Interpretation of Mithras

Ptah is the Egyptian creator god, associated with a bull; he is the demiurge in the Egyptian creation myth. Ptahil, which sounds suspiciously similar to Ptah, is the lesser demiurge in Mandaeism, who creates this world with the help of dark powers. Mandaeism has been a Gnostic movement since antiquity, and to this day the Mandaeans are the only surviving Gnostics in the world; they are an ethno-religious group living in Iraq. In Neoplatonism, Zeus is the demiurge and is associated with the bull. The bull appears to be a universal symbol of the demiurge. When the Israelites worshipped a golden bull/calf, many religious scholars and historians believe it was not a direct attack on Yahweh, since the bull was meant to represent Yahweh. The problem was that no one was allowed to depict Yahweh, so Moses massacred all those who worshipped the golden bull/calf, even though they did so with the intention of worshipping Yahweh.

The mysterious, symbolic painting from antiquity, where the Roman-Zoroastrian god Mithras slaughters the bull, symbolizes the Promethean rebellion against the creator god/demiurge and the breaking of his chains.

u/PrometheanNietzsche — 13 days ago